Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE: KDM question

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Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 12-31-2011, 02:06 AM:

In loading an updated kdm for a movie I found that we'd only received one for a ccap version of the movie. But this movie's ccap file is ~600 kb and I'm certain uses the non-ccap file for its picture/sound. So the server shows that everything in the playlist has kdm's since I changed it to use the ccap file. Is this likely to work? I was thinking there could be a hangup with it actually using the other file for picture since the kdm for that file expired a little while ago.

Edit: can't seem to delete the thread. Answered this for myself

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 12-31-2011, 02:56 AM:

Yes it will, and shame on you for not answering your own question on this thread. [Razz]

Posted by Harold Hallikainen (Member # 5405) on 12-31-2011, 06:28 PM:

I'd be interested in hearing how this turned out. I think that eventually everything will ship with closed captions (and discrete HI/VI-N audio). You mention "the" closed caption file is about 600kB. Most of the stuff I've seen has a separate file for each reel, and they're 100 or 200kB. But, I've heard that some people are sending a single closed caption (timed text) file and using EntryPoint and Duration in the CPL (which gets transferred to the RPL for closed captions) to break the single file into reels. So, is this what you've found?

Thanks!

Harold

Posted by Justin Hamaker (Member # 2165) on 12-31-2011, 06:38 PM:

I just wish they would develop a consistent standard. Either do a FTR version for every movie, or just to the CC version. Along with inconsistent naming conventions between Technicolor and Deluxe, it creates all the more chances for ingest and/or KDM errors.

Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 12-31-2011, 07:03 PM:

quote: Harold Hallikainen
I'd be interested in hearing how this turned out.

Well it ran fine when I tested it last night by skipping into the feature.

quote: Harold Hallikainen
You mention "the" closed caption file is about 600kB.

I was referring to the whole CPL for closed captioning. The server in question indicated it was 550 kb or so. It had a separate CPL for running CC and the updated key that was received was only for the tat CC CPL. But to run in CC, you had to have the regular, non-CC CPL loaded as well.

Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 12-31-2011, 07:30 PM:

okey..the "OV" and the "VF" standards...

Posted by Harold Hallikainen (Member # 5405) on 12-31-2011, 08:52 PM:

Thanks for the additional info! Based on calls I'm getting, it appears that DCP names sometimes include CCAP when the DCP does not include closed captions. As I read http://www.digitalcinemanamingconvention.com/appendix_9.asp , I think the original version should not include CCAP if the DCP does not actually include the captions. Further description of original versions and supplemental packages is at http://www.digitalcinemanamingconvention.com/appendix_8.asp .

Thanks!

Harold