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Posted by Antti Nayha (Member # 4980) on 04-15-2012, 08:43 AM:
 
Wow, no less than two new demos this week. Full press releases quoted below.

Adding to those the previously demonstrated Kodak and Barco laser systems, it looks like there’s a tough race for being ”first-to-market” already going on.

One:
http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/pr.aspx?newsID=2725
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Salem, NH—Apr 11, 2012
Laser Light Engines and SONY Present First Public Demonstration of High Brightness Laser 3D Cinema on a Silver Screen
NAB technology preview delivers on promise of high performance laser illumination


Laser Light Engines, Inc. (LLE), a venture-backed, laser-illumination developer today announced the world’s first public demonstration of fully-despeckled, high brightness 3D, high frame rate (HFR), wide color gamut (WCG) laser projection on a silver 3D screen at the upcoming NAB Technology Symposium on Cinema (TSC), on April 14, 2012 from 4:14pm-5:45pm PDT in Room #S222.

Bill Beck, founder and EVP of Business Development for LLE will be presenting an invited talk on Laser Illumination Systems for 2D and 3D Digital Cinema.

“We appreciate the opportunity to educate and update the NAB Digital Cinema community with both a tutorial and a live demonstration of laser 3D on a silver screen in conjunction with SONY,” Beck said. “Since its founding, LLE has been committed to laser-driven light sources that exceed the requirements of digital cinema”. LLE was the first to achieve full laser despeckling on a white screen in 2010, but with the rapid proliferation of 3D, and other advancements to be discussed at this year’s TSC, had to develop additional technology to meet new, more challenging requirements.

John O’Hara, LLE’s President and CEO said, “With this demonstration, LLE has raised the bar and now holds all the technology required to provide RGB laser engines that achieve, fully despeckled, high brightness 3D, on a silver screen.” He added, “In the near future, LLE products will enable exceptional image quality and dramatically reduced total cost of ownership.”

Gary Johns, SVP of Digital Cinema Solutions, SONY Electronics, Inc., commented, “We are pleased to present this groundbreaking demonstration in partnership with Laser Light Engines. LLE is a pioneer and leader in the field of advanced, laser illumination systems.”

For a full description of the NAB Technology Symposium on Cinema (TSC) session, please visit: http://tinyurl.com/7rb6bl7

Two:
http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/pr.aspx?newsID=2730
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Kitchener, Ontario—Apr 13, 2012
Christie Hosts Cinema Industry Heavyweights at First-Ever High Frame Rate (HFR) Laser Projection Demo
Prototype Christie Laser-Engine Projector Shows James Cameron HFR demo reel and generic clips

Christie® hosted a high frame rate (HFR) Summit yesterday at Christie’s worldwide center for engineering, research and development in Kitchener, Ontario, touring cinema-industry luminaries through its manufacturing facility and providing the first-ever laser projection of high frame rate cinema and alternative content on to a 30-foot white screen.

Recent Gordon E. Sawyer Academy Award winner Douglas Trumbull, Ian Bidgood, Technical Director, Park Road Post Production; Matt Cowan, Chief Scientific Officer, RealD; John Helliker and Bert Dunk, Directors at the Screen Industries Research and Training Centre and Demetri Portelli, Stereographer met with Christie engineering and product development staff for a vibrant information sharing session and discussion on high frame rates, laser projection, and the future of 3D and 4K projection.

“Our guests were very impressed with our demonstration of high-frame rate content using one of our prototype laser projectors,” said Don Shaw, senior director, Product Management, Christie Entertainment Solutions, “as well as the laser projector development roadmap we shared in these frank discussions.”

Big, Bright and Crystal Clear Will Spark Cinema Industry Renaissance
The consensus of the assembled industry experts was that the industry needs to differentiate itself from the plethora of varied viewing options, from tablets to home theaters and all manner of exhibitor setups, to raise itself out of its current malaise.

Doug Trumbull said, “Spectacular movies delivered at high-frame rates, on to big and vividly bright screens, will enable the production and exhibition of amazingly immersive cinema experiences that will be far more powerful than any other medium.”

Echoing Mr. Trumbull’s sentiments, Ian Bidgood suggested that “…3D images must be awe-inspiring to bring back the crowds to theaters worldwide, and the higher brightness levels that are required to do justice to these images, along with higher frame rate material, will be delivered by Christie’s technology in the laser field, with new projector and cinema solutions for today and the future.”

Christie plans on incorporating laser projection technology into its cinema product line, business products line and visualization and simulation solutions where it benefits its customer base.

The Kitchener facility for projection, visualization/simulation, DLP Cinema and LED-based products and solutions is Registered to ISO14001 (Environmental Management System) and Registered to ISO9001 (Quality Management System).

Christie’s Commitment to HFR
The two main goals of Christie’s HFR activities are to help the industry develop the best HFR content and the best delivery system for HFR content. The first goal involves assisting leading-edge filmmakers and post-production companies in perfecting HFR movie creation, so the industry has the most engaging, entertaining content possible. The second goal is to assist exhibitors in showing these 3D HFR movies in all their glory. To these ends, Christie is helping create the standards for 3D HFR movies through formal and informal technology-development alliances with major producers and directors, post production facilities, studios and technology partners. On the exhibitor’s front, Christie provides one stop shopping for all the hardware, software and services that enable exhibitors to deliver a filmmaker's vision in stunning 3D HFR quality.


 
Posted by Bruce Hansen (Member # 281) on 04-15-2012, 06:25 PM:
 
quote:
The consensus of the assembled industry experts was that the industry needs to differentiate itself from the plethora of varied viewing options, from tablets to home theaters and all manner of exhibitor setups, to raise itself out of its current malaise.
Since the introduction of TV the theaters have wanted to "differentiate" themselves from TV. Now they are TV. Big problem.
 
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 04-15-2012, 08:41 PM:
 
Time to create a "Holodeck" to be really different.
 
Posted by Martin McCaffery (Member # 37) on 04-15-2012, 08:54 PM:
 
quote:
Big, Bright and Crystal Clear Will Spark Cinema Industry Renaissance
Wait, I thought with DCI everything already was Big, Bright and Crystal Clear.
 
Posted by Victor Liorentas (Member # 5272) on 04-15-2012, 09:15 PM:
 
No this is the admission that what everyone just scrapped 35mm for at great expense was just practice!
Now that we have plenty of practice we need to cough up the cash for the real thing.
Hope money is still plentiful after [dlp] installations because only laser can achieve what current [dlp] pretends to do.
Oh and HFR! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 04-15-2012, 10:16 PM:
 
They'll need to find a way to retro-fit the laser deal into existing D-cinema projectors. If they don't do that, it's going to be a very slow market growth item...will have to wait until existing projectors are replaced. Nobody's going to cough up that kind of cash AGAIN this soon.

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The consensus of the assembled industry experts was that the industry needs to differentiate itself from the plethora of varied viewing options, from tablets to home theaters and all manner of exhibitor setups, to raise itself out of its current malaise.
What "malaise" is that? The last time I looked the industry was something like 24% ahead of last year and having record weekends for the first quarter. (He's probably referring to the 3D percentage numbers.)

CinemaCon's going to be very upbeat this year.
 
Posted by Antti Nayha (Member # 4980) on 04-16-2012, 04:34 AM:
 
One more (although not DCI):
http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/16/2951614/redray-4k-projector-and-player-NAB
quote:
REDray 4K laser projector and media player to be shown at NAB tomorrow
By Sam Byford on April 16, 2012 03:27 am

Ahead of this week's NAB show, RED president Jarred Land has revealed the first details of two new products from the company. First up is the REDray Projector, which we first caught wind of back in December and is now set to see release this year — it's a 4K laser projector capable of displaying passive 3D at up to 120 fps and will cost under $10,000 up to a 15-foot screen, though it's apparently scaleable to a "large theater" size. Next up is the REDray Player, a 4K media box that can show 120fps video over four HDMI 1.4 ports and lets you download content to an internal HD or stream from flash memory. It'll feature tablet control and proprietary REDPASS DRM. We don't have any details or images beyond the simple flyers posted in the company forums, but rest assured we'll be scoping out the NAB show floor for further details.


 
Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 04-16-2012, 07:00 AM:
 
RED talked about 'DCI capability' long before this release, and they quote the projector brightness being scalable for cinema use. How long will it take to make these DCI compliant and 'deliverable'? Unfortunately, RED is notorious for not meeting deadlines.

The price point for the small variant could be extrapolated into a 20.000-30.000US$ for a full DCI cinema projector/player system. That would certainly change the market.

- Carsten
 
Posted by Paul Gordon (Member # 3320) on 04-16-2012, 07:06 AM:
 
I have a feeling you will see masssive tech advances in digital projection in the coming year or two. The 35mm hold outs may be the winners, getting a brighter cheaper system for thier cinema when 35mm finally dies. (2013?)
 
Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 04-16-2012, 08:25 AM:
 
Tickets sold is less every year. Louis
 
Posted by Ron Funderburg (Member # 4561) on 04-16-2012, 10:01 AM:
 
Louis may be right that there are less tickets sold on a national basis each year; however, it doesn't hold true for individual theaters. The theater I run has had more butts on seats every year for five years running but maybe that is just "ME"!
 
Posted by Antti Nayha (Member # 4980) on 04-16-2012, 10:37 AM:
 
quote: Mike Blakesley
They'll need to find a way to retro-fit the laser deal into existing D-cinema projectors.
At least Barco has stated that they will do exactly that. The modular lamphouse design of their current projectors may be an advantage here over competitors.

Still, it’s not like it’s going to be a cheap initial investment.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 04-16-2012, 10:40 AM:
 
Not exactly "less every year." This is a cyclical business and there are ever-more ways the pie is cut up.

Year Admissions (millions)
2010 1.339
2009 1.414
2008 1.341
2007 1.4
2006 1.401
2005 1.376
2004 1.484
2003 1.521
2002 1.57
2001 1.438
2000 1.383
1999 1.440
1998~ 1.438
 
Posted by Ron Funderburg (Member # 4561) on 04-16-2012, 10:45 AM:
 
Mike 100% on you can argue we have less of the percent of total population going to the films now than in the past. Then again, there were three channels on TV in the 1970's and only a scattering of alternate cable outlets in the 80’s. Theaters have survived because they adapt. Stop adapting and that is a sure way to lose your customers. Oh, the nostalgia, it was always better in the past you hear it from every generation and I’m probable no different. We can’t live in the past though at least my way back machine doesn’t work. So I guess we just need to get moving on staying up with the future.
 
Posted by Antti Nayha (Member # 4980) on 04-26-2012, 03:03 AM:
 
This was almost buried under the flood of CinemaCon press releases:

http://dcinematoday.com/dc/PR.aspx?newsID=2776
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Besides selected digital cinema projectors, NEC will showcase for the first time a next-generation 4K-resolution laser projector designed for varying screen sizes and installation flexibility using the latest 4K DMD from Texas Instruments.
So it looks like all DCI projector manufacturers have demonstrated a laser solution now.
 
Posted by Robert Carnino (Member # 5633) on 05-12-2012, 04:54 PM:
 
I saw the demonstration of the laser at Cinemacon. It was truly amazing. Once they get the cost of lasers down the upgrade won't cost that much when you start factoring in the cost of bulbs every year
 
Posted by Antti Nayha (Member # 4980) on 01-18-2013, 08:37 AM:
 
I guess this will be the first permanent laser installation. Supposedly they will be keeping the 1.4:1 aspect ratio for museum-based venues, which would be one of the reasons why they need the insane light levels provided by laser light sources.

Wall Street Journal: Imax to convert Smithsonian to laser projection (Jan 15th, 2013)
quote:
WASHINGTON — Imax Corp. is beginning an initiative to transition museum-based theaters to new laser digital projection, beginning with the Smithsonian Institution in Washington.

Imax announced plans Tuesday to upgrade the Smithsonian's three theaters in 2014. New technology uses lasers instead of light bulbs to light giant movie screens.

Imax CEO Richard Gelfond says the company invested $50 million to develop laser projection. He says Imax's roots are in museums, and it aims to keep that business as film becomes obsolete. Digital projection allows museums to show more Hollywood movies.

The new system includes technology that Imax licensed from Eastman Kodak Co. in 2011 to improve digital images on the largest screens.

Long associated with educational films, Ontario-based Imax also is announcing plans to produce four new documentaries with MacGillivray Freeman Films.


 
Posted by Rob Alexander (Member # 6163) on 03-26-2013, 12:38 PM:
 
Hi guys, I dont really post much here, but this caught my eye and wanted to ensure you all saw this. I think this is the correct post for this.

Christie Laser at AMC Burbank 16

Laser Projection Demonstration Lights up "G.I. Joe: Retaliation" at AMC Theatres®’ Burbank 16, Using Christie Technology
Moviegoers in Burbank will be treated to a stunning visual experience as AMC enlists Christie’s laser projector technology to push the bounds of 3D movie presentation in ETX

CYPRESS, Calif. – (March 21, 2013) – Christie®, a global leader in cinema projection, is pleased to present Paramount Pictures’ highly anticipated G.I. JOE: RETALIATION on March 28 at AMC Theatres’ (AMC) Burbank 16’s ETX theatre. Christie is joining forces with AMC using laser projection technology to project the 3D movie at brightness levels of 14 foot lamberts (ft-L) – a ‘first’ in the world of commercial cinema projection – on a 65-foot wide screen. This technology test will last for a two-week period and will be the first time that the general public will be able to enjoy compelling, immersive 3D images delivered at 2D light levels.

Paramount, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures (MGM) and Skydance Productions, in association with Hasbro®, will release G.I. JOE: RETALIATION in digital 3D theaters across the U.S. and Canada beginning March 28.

“As a leader in innovation in the movie exhibition industry, AMC Theatres continues to push the envelope, looking for new ways to improve the moviegoing experience for our guests,” said Dan Huerta, vice president, Digital Systems, AMC. “We are delighted to work with Christie to host this technical demonstration that could equate to a major advancement in movie-illumination levels.”

Mark Christiansen, EVP of World Wide Operations for Paramount Pictures said, “We fully support the advancement of cutting edge technologies to further enhance the theatrical presentation for moviegoers. Laser projection provides incredible brightness, making each film look all the greater, but its impact on 3D is startling.”

Noted Dr. Don Shaw, senior director, product management, Christie Entertainment Solutions, “Audiences will be impressed with 3D shown at 14 foot-lamberts utilizing this future technology, which is much brighter than what current technology produces on most screens. This test of our laser technology will demonstrate how spectacularly a moviemaker’s vision can be realized when shown at light levels normally only possible for 2D movies. Audiences who attend the AMC Burbank 16 during the laser demonstration will see a significant increase in the typical contrast ratio for 3D on a crystal-clear 4K projector and we’re confident that the average moviegoer will relish this new level of immersive experience.”

Christie Laser-Projection Juggernaut Gaining Speed, Building on Previous Successes
Commenting on the laser projector test, Dr. Shaw said, “This is not the first time that Christie has employed laser technology to stretch the boundaries of digital cinema projection. Last year, Christie also showed select exhibitors in Asia how 72,000 Lumens could be achieved, in a demonstration of our prototype laser projector in Beijing.

“And at IBC 2012 Amsterdam this past September, I was pleased to preface the showing of Hugo 3D – the first CPG (Cameron Pace Group) certified movie – along with noted stereographers, Demetri Portelli and Corey Turner (‘Transformers: Dark of the Moon’), which was then projected using Christie’s laser-light projector prototype.”

Christie hosted its first laser projector demo for cinema industry luminaries including Douglas Trumbull, Gordon E. Sawyer Academy Award winner, at its High Frame Rate Summit held in its manufacturing and engineering headquarters in Kitchener, Ontario in April 2012.

About AMC Theatres
AMC Theatres delivers distinctive and affordable movie-going experiences in 351 theatres with 5,083 screens across the United States and Canada. The company operates 20 of the 50 highest grossing theatres in the country, including the top three. AMC has propelled industry innovation and continues today by delivering premium sight and sound, enhanced food and beverage and diverse content. www.AMCTheatres.com.

About Christie
Christie Digital Systems USA, Inc. is a global visual technologies company and is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Ushio Inc. Japan (JP:6925). Consistently setting the standards by being the first to market some of the world’s most advanced projectors and complete system displays, Christie is recognized as one of the most innovative visual technology companies in the world. From retail displays to Hollywood, mission critical command centers to classrooms and training simulators, Christie display solutions and projectors capture the attention of audiences around the world with dynamic and stunning images. Visit www.christiedigital.com.

Follow Christie at:
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Twitter.com/christiedigita
 
Posted by Marc D Fishman (Member # 6992) on 03-27-2013, 06:36 PM:
 
Seeing it tonight.. excited to see what all the fuss is about.
 
Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 03-28-2013, 04:18 AM:
 
quote: Robert Carnino
Once they get the cost of lasers down the upgrade won't cost that much when you start factoring in the cost of bulbs every year
Christie is owned by a bulb manufacturer. Projectors are a great way of burning expensive bulbs. Those lasers are probably going to have a similar cost of ownership than Xenon bulb based solutions in the long run.
 
Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 03-28-2013, 06:13 AM:
 
14 ft/lm looks good; we did it all the time with Tech 3D.

Note: there is no incentive to lower the price (& profit) when you are pushing the improvement boundary. Knowing Christie like a book, I would expect pricing to be greater than current pricing, given the improvements predicted. Maybe, later, when a competitor lowers his price, Christie may lower their's. The competitor would then have the newest technology perceived and it would make sense for a (slight) reduction in the Christie. Louis
 
Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 03-28-2013, 06:35 AM:
 
Yep, being on par with LARGE Xenon bulbs costwise will be the retrofit business model - but even at around the same cost, the absence of change labor and degradation, storage, etc. is a benefit. Plus, currently it seems LIPs will only be used on the largest screens, original IMAX locations, maybe also DriveIns, etc., because that's where the increased brightness really kicks in.

- Carsten
 
Posted by Sam King (Member # 4029) on 04-03-2013, 05:54 PM:
 
How was it?
 
Posted by Daniel Schulz (Member # 1881) on 04-03-2013, 06:13 PM:
 
I saw it last night at the AMC Burbank. I thought it looked really good: it seemed to really be at or close to 14FL to the eye through the glasses, with a single projector. Minimal speckle visible. Interestingly it seemed like they were using a physical filter of some kind to reduce brightness for the 2D trailers and preshow, because we saw it removed just as the feature started.

Nothing about the image seemed revolutionary or anything, but it looked good, and since brightness has always been an issue with commercial 3D presentation if this helps, then I'm all for it. There was a Christie projector logo trailer that played right before the Dolby Atmos logo, which led into the feature.
 
Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 04-03-2013, 06:35 PM:
 
Hmm. I thought they wouldn't try going public with speckle still being visible.

- Carsten
 
Posted by Jim Cassedy (Member # 4115) on 04-03-2013, 08:20 PM:
 
... and they picked friggin' "GI JOE" for the demo?
No amount of technology can do anything to improve a
movie that already sux to start with.
 
Posted by Danial Simmonds (Member # 4638) on 04-04-2013, 10:53 PM:
 
Heard a lot of Christie and Barco demonstrating Laser, has anyone heard of NEC going laser?
 
Posted by Frederick Lanoy (Member # 5416) on 04-06-2013, 02:59 PM:
 
In France, NEC did a demo of a laser projection. It's dedicated for small screens (10 000 lumens) but it works well.
 
Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 04-07-2013, 06:12 AM:
 
Every projector company did a laser demo so far (incl. Sony). The question is, which company is closest to a market solution. Seems Barco is doing well with their IMAX partnering.

- Carsten
 
Posted by William Kucharski (Member # 7246) on 04-13-2013, 02:22 AM:
 
Perhaps they picked GI Joe simply because most people wouldn't be analyzing the picture quality; as long as a picture was there in in some semblance of focus, most attendees probably wouldn't care about speckles or not.
 
Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 04-13-2013, 06:21 PM:
 
quote: Carsten Kurz
Hmm. I thought they wouldn't try going public with speckle still being visible.
Does anybody actually know how they're getting rid of those speckles? I know there are "speckle reducers", but after shooting the spreaded beam onto a DMD, I guess that some of that speckle will return.

Also, are the current prototypes single or triple DMD versions?
 
Posted by Sam D. Chavez (Member # 1841) on 04-13-2013, 06:44 PM:
 
Believe it or not, they use screen shakers in some of the demo's I've or heard about.

It's either a brilliant or absurd idea depending on your point of view, but it does work.
 
Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 04-13-2013, 07:08 PM:
 
quote: Sam D. Chavez
Believe it or not, they use screen shakers in some of the demo's I've or heard about.
So, they're actually shaking the screen? Would be interesting to see how that works out with a 60ft / 18m screen [Wink] .

Afaik, a speckle reducer is noting more than a piece of "rough glass" with some "random" pattern that's rotated at high speed in front of the laser. So, practically you create noise to hide the noise. Obviously, such a filter reduces the intensity of your laser beam.
 
Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 04-13-2013, 07:13 PM:
 
As far as I know, they are using lot's of different methods to reduce speckle. From jittering to a large number of laser emitters. Every measure reduces speckle a little bit more. And to my knowledge, the speckle in green is the most difficult to get rid of.

Shaking a screen is actually not too difficult, at least a traditional screen under tension.

- Carsten
 
Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 04-13-2013, 07:25 PM:
 
quote: Carsten Kurz
Shaking a screen is actually not too difficult, at least a traditional screen under tension.
Wouldn't that create noticeable ripples and some additional unwanted sound effects? Besides the additional wear and tear on your screen... I'm also curious as how much you would need to shake the screen of such a size to make an impact.
 
Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 04-14-2013, 07:21 AM:
 
I think it only needs to vibrate fractions of mm. Of course, every screen would need it's own continuous tuning, depending on tension, room temperature, etc., I guess. If you overdo it, you could get interesting running waves or moire patterns...

If you do it right, I guess even Moire could go away...

- Carsten
 




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