That is perfectly logical, and exactly what I figured. So again, it does seem like there is something that is preventing the server from downloading them after the show as it should, else I would not have to have the site purge the logs manually once a week to prevent the logs full issue.
I think I'm getting even more confused. Steve, can you chime in here?
Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 09-28-2013, 05:41 PM:
I'm sorry, I'm not going to be a good source of information on Doremi personalities. Despite it being the most popular server in the world...it is the one I have the least experience with.
Dolby's servers, on the other hand, I have a bunch of them and after each show, they show you the logs being downloaded (bar graph).
The problem in Enigma is not the server's fault, it is the Enigma's. The server reads the logs, tells the Enigma the log is read and it is up to the Enigma to mark it as read and now available to load a new log in.
As I understand it, the new commands available in Enigma 1.7 software will FORCE the Enigma to barf the whole thing, clear all of the banks and make it ready for loading new logs.
Have you tried contacting your dealer about the logs not downloading? You shouldn't as a course of operation, have to manually download logs.
Posted by Gavin Lewarne (Member # 5397) on 11-03-2013, 08:03 AM:
Sorry to drag up an old(ish) thread, but we had this happen to us over the weekend.
I have always seen how our dolby server downloads the security logs from the enigma board after each show has completed. I check the projector and LD logs weekly to see if any errors are thrown up, and to date have never had even a single warning.
On Friday Nov 1st all films play as normal, projector light green. On Saturday my colleague powers up the projector and gets an immediate red light. I check the communicator software "TI-Link - Security logs full"
We have had a new enigma module and are back to operating again, but Barco have been sent a copy of our logs because no warning or critical errors were generated by the Enigma module - it was working one day, bricked the next. Both our regional service tech and DCInex confirmed that no warnings or errors were generated before it just stopped working.
The server would not even connect to the projector, just gave the "transport not available" as if the projector was not even powered.
Pain in the ass, lost 3 shows two of which were sell outs.
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 11-03-2013, 11:54 AM:
Film didn't have this nonsense security. That's why it had better uptime. It's only going to get worse though and it's really for no reason because nothing at all will stop people from "camcordering" off of the screen and getting a pretty amazingly good picture.
Posted by Marco Giustini (Member # 4544) on 11-03-2013, 12:39 PM:
There is nothing you can do for it unfortunately. The sad thing is that I would like to know who is looking at those logs and what is the reason for those logs to be generated.
The industry lose more shows because of Enigma/security measures that go wrong rather than actual breakdowns.
At least TI could provide a tool the service personnel could use to reset those boards. It's unacceptable the final user has to lose so much money for such nonsense. Particularly someone like you who tried to prevent that issue in the first place.
Out of curiosity, what software versions were you using?
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 11-03-2013, 01:19 PM:
Gavin what projector are you using? I've only found this to be an issue with Barcos. Never had it happen on a Christie or NEC.
Posted by Gavin Lewarne (Member # 5397) on 11-03-2013, 01:19 PM:
Brad - Barco DP2k-12c, manufactured October 2012
marco, I completely agree.
We lost 3 shows because of (whatever they may be) firmware bugs. Not a real breakdown, lamp failure, lps failure. a software bug that I have tried to prevent happening.
It is not really acceptable from an exhibitors standpoint.
"sorry mr customer you cant see your film because of security measures which have malfunctioned and shut down the projector even though nothing is actually wrong with the equipment or been tampered with in any way"
Software wise
Dolby server 4.5.4.2
barco 1.9.101
ti 4.0.420
and the (I think factory refurb) new enigma - 1.4.19
I think its a refurb one as the sticker on the board indicated a Rev 1 part whereas the one I pulled out was a Rev 1.6 part. And when the installation complete and the marriage reset the server downloaded about 8000 security logs over about 6 "short black clips". I hope this does not indicate future DOOM again...
We are due our service very soon so I suspect these will likely be updated, but this is all as it was installed last December and apart from a few non-showstoper glitches has been functioning perfectly.
EDIT:
the "old" enigma was running release 1.6, according to a sticker on it
Posted by Marco Giustini (Member # 4544) on 11-03-2013, 03:16 PM:
1.6 was supposed to fix some of the bugs which could brick the enigma. Obviously that was not enough.
You want to have 1.4 updated to 1.6 asap anyway. I wonder why that was not done when it was installed.
8000 logs are expected to be downloaded if you swap the enigma. The server sees the new device and needs to download all the logs. A Dolby server only downloads 500-ish logs for each session, hence you'll need to run 16-ish sessions to clear the batch. After all the logs are being marked as read normal operations will resume.
Also wonder why Barco is not releasing Enigma 1.7 - and what 1.7 is delivering as Steve pointed out.
I fail to understand why TI has not released a fix, a bullettin, a something to prevent this issue from happening. It's simply unacceptable.
Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 11-03-2013, 04:03 PM:
This is all hard to believe, honestly...what are they thinking? A stupid log reading process causing lost shows. And this LD-Log shite is going on for how long now? 2 years?
- Carsten
Posted by Gavin Lewarne (Member # 5397) on 11-03-2013, 04:04 PM:
Our dolby downloaded 5700 on the first one, 2300 on the second then by the 5th was just downloading 2 or 3
Posted by Marco Giustini (Member # 4544) on 11-03-2013, 04:39 PM:
how bizarre.
I thought Dolby servers would download a max of 512 logs for each go. Reasong being the time involved: how long has your server been busy downloading 5700 logs? Never seen a Dolby server doing that.
Anyway, update to version 4.6 when you have a chance, 4.5 is evil
Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 11-03-2013, 04:53 PM:
I have had the issue on the NEC too...though I got the "almost full" message first.
We have had only one Enigma that just "bricked" out of the blue. The Barco logs confirm this...no errors, no errors and then red tail light.
I agree that Enigma 1.7 should be released by now for Barco. Both NEC and Christie have 1.7 on theirs for months. Dolby's Enigma purge should be on their next software release. However, I'm not sure it would help in the situation just described though I would hope the new TI commands would allow for it. I know that just loading Enigma 1.7 onto a bricked Enigma will not suddenly open the Enigma up for downloads...what I don't know is if the new commands in Enigma 1.7 allow a server to skip the normal formalities and just dump the logs anyway. Once I know, I'll post about it.
I would definitely update your Barco to 1.11.133...it should address most of your LPS/Lamp strike issues, if you have any and 4.2.1 on ICP is better than any other ICP 4.x. Enigma 1.4 is a ticking time-bomb.
Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 11-07-2014, 03:09 AM:
It has been 368 days since the last post.
Posted by Francois Bouzigues (Member # 8030) on 11-07-2014, 03:09 AM:
I am aware this topic is quite old. But i found it useful and i have a couple of things to add and other to ask.
I found that leaving the projector on overnight, at least once a week solves many issues. For instance, in a 16 booths I know very well, only one almost full issue since digitalization (June 2011). And the LD in question has never gone full. The barcos in that site go with DCP 2000 and a couple of showvaults. They leave the projectors on all nights.
But i am pretty sure once a week would already be a great relief. I also assume LD version 1.8 released in june can help in case of issue.
Had anyone an issue upgrading to 1.8 ?
Best regards
Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 11-07-2014, 05:58 AM:
If you search the forum for LD Log issues, you will see that Enigma 1.8 is a clear must. I would not hesitate to update.
- Carsten