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Posted by Lyle Romer (Member # 1266) on 08-14-2012, 10:44 AM:
Is there anywhere that 4k DCPs are tracked? I know Sony has a half assed list on their site but they didn't even know Dark Knight Rises was 4k until they tweeted it opening night.
Posted by Bajsic Bojan (Member # 4928) on 08-14-2012, 06:04 PM:
doesn't seem like much officially, but these guys on the german forum do follow quite nice:
http://www.filmvorfuehrer.de/topic/13529-4k-filme/
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 08-14-2012, 09:56 PM:
Looks like this resolution info reaches some listing and the end of the string - prob depends on the demand.
Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 04-15-2014, 05:57 AM:
It has been 608 days since the last post.
Posted by Dan Judge (Member # 8175) on 04-15-2014, 05:57 AM:
Anyone have an update on this? As, hopefully, we should be having a 4K update at our cinema i would be interested what will be available in DCP.
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Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 04-17-2014, 02:51 AM:
The Sony list is still the most complete and still maintained public listing I've found up until now.
Posted by Shawn M. Martin (Member # 6762) on 04-17-2014, 06:03 AM:
That Sony list has some 2K DCPs on it: Men in Black 3, The Amazing Spider-Man and Heaven Is for Real. The last one was even shot in 1080 (Panavision Genesis HD).
Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 04-17-2014, 06:17 AM:
That list sure has issues and is by no means complete, it doesn't list any indie releases for example.
But regarding "The Amazing Spider-Man", I vaguely remember a 4K 2D DCP being available (it was primarily shot with RED cameras) and the last one also isn't listed as a 4K release.
The other two, I don't really know. MIB III was primarily shot in Super 35. Also, it was a Sony release and with their investment in 4K, they might as well have scanned this material in 4K and released a 4K 2D DCP with some up-sampled scenes.
Posted by Shawn M. Martin (Member # 6762) on 04-17-2014, 06:53 AM:
I ran MIB 3 when it was originally released, in both 35mm and DCP, and the 2D version was 2K, like the 3D. I remember being confused about this as it had been touted as a 4K release, and later confirmed with Deluxe that it was just 2K.
It did go through a 4K DI, and the print (one of the last I ran before we went all-digital), which I thought was incredible compared to the DCP, was filmed out at 4K, according to the chart on the heads and tails.
I never handled Spider-Man, but I did see the Deluxe ingest letter, and the 2D was 2K as well. This was also planned to be a 4K release. I don't know if this actually ended up getting a 4K DI, but they did test it out.
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 04-17-2014, 08:18 AM:
3D is doing a lot to keep movies stuck at 2K. This isn't going to change until those new laser projectors are being installed on a widespread basis. Once all the premium priced theaters have 4K 3D capability then Hollywood studios ***might*** render a bunch of 3D movies in 4K resolution. That's no guarantee though. There's still plenty of 2D only movies being released in 2K.
Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 04-17-2014, 10:08 AM:
It isn't lasers that is keeping 4K/3D out...it is bandwidth. The new Barco IMS/ICP...aka ICMP module is capable of 4K 3D in a single projector using conventional light sources.
http://www.barco.com/en/Products-Solutions/Integrated-Cinema-Media-Processor-ICMP---Option-for-Series-2-projectors.aspx
It will only work in a Barco projector (any series 2) but I don't doubt that the other companies (server and/or projector) will follow suit if 4K 3D becomes something worth investing in.
The realities are that 3D is on the decline and has been for some time now. As predicted, there are those movies where it will seem to add to the experience and 3D will seem like it is on the rebound but by and large, most people don't want to spend the money or fool with the apparatuses that come with the 3D experience.
I don't think many exhibitors want to fool with spending volumes of money upgrading their projectors to laser or ICMPs and the like either...they want their existing purchases to make them money. Those that care about 4K and 3D are such a small piece of the overall pie as to not drive the market. There just isn't enough money to be made of those two being paired to make it worth the effort at this time.
4K is going to happen because technology will make it non-special and not expensive/time consuming...but it will be more evolutionary as new systems come one line and old ones are retired in 10 years or so.
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 04-17-2014, 11:25 AM:
I didn't say lasers were the issue. But the fad/trend of movies needing to be in 3D has been a big factor keeping a lot of movies stuck at 2K rather than having the option of going 4K. If a production wants to do 4K it currently has to do it in 2D only.
Cost (or rather saving money) is another factor hurting 4K use. A decade has passed since the first 4K movies were rendered. One would figure a decade's worth of advances in computer hardware would have made 4K a whole lot cheaper and faster to render. The problem is 2K is always going to be even less expensive and much faster to render than 4K. So why not save the money and just do 2K? After all the movie is only going to be in theaters for maybe a month and then on home video in no more than 1080p.
4K, be it 2D or 3D, isn't going to become "standard" for movie releases until there is a lot of 4K HDTV sets in home living rooms.
In the short term, I do think laser-based 4K projection will take off pretty big in high priced big screen theaters. People are getting price fatigue over 3D. I think some of that problem is going to bleed over into those high cost big screen houses. IMAX and all the other premium high priced big screen concept theaters will be forced to step up their game quite a bit to justify those $16-$24 per ticket price tags.
Posted by Terry Lynn-Stevens (Member # 7349) on 04-18-2014, 09:07 AM:
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