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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 09-27-2012, 03:59 PM:
 
Has anyone else noticed these different versions of the movie are really getting out of hand.

2D
2D CCAP
2D OCAP
2D 7.1
2D CCAP 7.1
2D OCAP 7.1
3D
3D CCAP
3D OCAP 7.1
3D 7.1
3D CCAP 7.1
3D OCAP 7.1
3D 6FL
3D CCAP 6FL
3D OCAP 6FL
3D 6FL 7.1
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1

Then of course we have the new concept of adding a trailer TO the feature clip, effectively doubling the versions making that list:
2D
2D CCAP
2D OCAP
2D 7.1
2D CCAP 7.1
2D OCAP 7.1
3D
3D CCAP
3D OCAP 7.1
3D 7.1
3D CCAP 7.1
3D OCAP 7.1
3D 6FL
3D CCAP 6FL
3D OCAP 6FL
3D 6FL 7.1
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1
2D PROMO
2D CCAP PROMO
2D OCAP PROMO
2D 7.1 PROMO
2D CCAP 7.1 PROMO
2D OCAP 7.1 PROMO
3D PROMO
3D CCAP PROMO
3D OCAP 7.1 PROMO
3D 7.1 PROMO
3D CCAP 7.1 PROMO
3D OCAP 7.1 PROMO
3D 6FL PROMO
3D CCAP 6FL PROMO
3D OCAP 6FL PROMO
3D 6FL 7.1 PROMO
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1 PROMO
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1 PROMO

Now if Mr. Unobtanium (James Cameron) gets involved, we now have flat and scope versions making the list:
2D FLAT
2D CCAP FLAT
2D OCAP FLAT
2D 7.1 FLAT
2D CCAP 7.1 FLAT
2D OCAP 7.1 FLAT
3D FLAT
3D CCAP FLAT
3D OCAP 7.1 FLAT
3D 7.1 FLAT
3D CCAP 7.1 FLAT
3D OCAP 7.1 FLAT
3D 6FL FLAT
3D CCAP 6FL FLAT
3D OCAP 6FL FLAT
3D 6FL 7.1 FLAT
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1 FLAT
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1 FLAT
2D PROMO FLAT
2D CCAP PROMO FLAT
2D OCAP PROMO FLAT
2D 7.1 PROMO FLAT
2D CCAP 7.1 PROMO FLAT
2D OCAP 7.1 PROMO FLAT
3D PROMO FLAT
3D CCAP PROMO FLAT
3D OCAP 7.1 PROMO FLAT
3D 7.1 PROMO FLAT
3D CCAP 7.1 PROMO FLAT
3D OCAP 7.1 PROMO FLAT
3D 6FL PROMO FLAT
3D CCAP 6FL PROMO FLAT
3D OCAP 6FL PROMO FLAT
3D 6FL 7.1 PROMO FLAT
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1 PROMO FLAT
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1 PROMO FLAT
2D SCOPE
2D CCAP SCOPE
2D OCAP SCOPE
2D 7.1 SCOPE
2D CCAP 7.1 SCOPE
2D OCAP 7.1 SCOPE
3D SCOPE
3D CCAP SCOPE
3D OCAP 7.1 SCOPE
3D 7.1 SCOPE
3D CCAP 7.1 SCOPE
3D OCAP 7.1 SCOPE
3D 6FL SCOPE
3D CCAP 6FL SCOPE
3D OCAP 6FL SCOPE
3D 6FL 7.1 SCOPE
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1 SCOPE
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1 SCOPE
2D PROMO SCOPE
2D CCAP PROMO SCOPE
2D OCAP PROMO SCOPE
2D 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
2D CCAP 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
2D OCAP 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
3D PROMO SCOPE
3D CCAP PROMO SCOPE
3D OCAP 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
3D 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
3D CCAP 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
3D OCAP 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
3D 6FL PROMO SCOPE
3D CCAP 6FL PROMO SCOPE
3D OCAP 6FL PROMO SCOPE
3D 6FL 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1 PROMO SCOPE

Lastly, let's not forget about making 40 different trailer versions to promote the movie...AND NOW they are doing "circuit specific" versions of those trailers!!! (We all saw how well that huge stack of trailer versions for JOHN CARTER helped the movie.)

Seriously, this nonsense is about to get way out of control. How are all of these multiple mastering costs cheaper than striking film prints again?

Remember, each version has its own key too. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Jock Blakley (Member # 6552) on 09-27-2012, 05:28 PM:
 
In a somewhat similar note, we got sent a DCP of MARLEY (2012) that deliberately had no subtitles (as in, "EN-XX" in the name).

This is a documentary that includes significant portions of interview in several languages other than English. Why is there even a non-subtitled DCP in existence?
 
Posted by David Zylstra (Member # 4230) on 09-27-2012, 05:49 PM:
 
You forgot 24, 48 and 60 frame rate versions of the above Cameron film . . . . . .
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 09-27-2012, 07:16 PM:
 
Why can't they make one version that "has" everything and let the software in the projector sort it out? Why isn't THAT possible?
 
Posted by Steven J Hart (Member # 2340) on 09-27-2012, 07:52 PM:
 
So, if you squint your eyes and scroll quickly up and down this kind of looks like an audio waveform. [Wink] [Wink]

2D FLAT
2D CCAP FLAT
2D OCAP FLAT
2D 7.1 FLAT
2D CCAP 7.1 FLAT
2D OCAP 7.1 FLAT
3D FLAT
3D CCAP FLAT
3D OCAP 7.1 FLAT
3D 7.1 FLAT
3D CCAP 7.1 FLAT
3D OCAP 7.1 FLAT
3D 6FL FLAT
3D CCAP 6FL FLAT
3D OCAP 6FL FLAT
3D 6FL 7.1 FLAT
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1 FLAT
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1 FLAT
2D PROMO FLAT
2D CCAP PROMO FLAT
2D OCAP PROMO FLAT
2D 7.1 PROMO FLAT
2D CCAP 7.1 PROMO FLAT
2D OCAP 7.1 PROMO FLAT
3D PROMO FLAT
3D CCAP PROMO FLAT
3D OCAP 7.1 PROMO FLAT
3D 7.1 PROMO FLAT
3D CCAP 7.1 PROMO FLAT
3D OCAP 7.1 PROMO FLAT
3D 6FL PROMO FLAT
3D CCAP 6FL PROMO FLAT
3D OCAP 6FL PROMO FLAT
3D 6FL 7.1 PROMO FLAT
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1 PROMO FLAT
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1 PROMO FLAT
2D SCOPE
2D CCAP SCOPE
2D OCAP SCOPE
2D 7.1 SCOPE
2D CCAP 7.1 SCOPE
2D OCAP 7.1 SCOPE
3D SCOPE
3D CCAP SCOPE
3D OCAP 7.1 SCOPE
3D 7.1 SCOPE
3D CCAP 7.1 SCOPE
3D OCAP 7.1 SCOPE
3D 6FL SCOPE
3D CCAP 6FL SCOPE
3D OCAP 6FL SCOPE
3D 6FL 7.1 SCOPE
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1 SCOPE
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1 SCOPE
2D PROMO SCOPE
2D CCAP PROMO SCOPE
2D OCAP PROMO SCOPE
2D 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
2D CCAP 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
2D OCAP 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
3D PROMO SCOPE
3D CCAP PROMO SCOPE
3D OCAP 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
3D 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
3D CCAP 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
3D OCAP 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
3D 6FL PROMO SCOPE
3D CCAP 6FL PROMO SCOPE
3D OCAP 6FL PROMO SCOPE
3D 6FL 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1 PROMO SCOPE
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 09-27-2012, 08:41 PM:
 
quote: David Zylstra
You forgot 24, 48 and 60 frame rate versions of the above Cameron film . . . . . .
Oh geez, I completely forgot about that HFR puke. But it's not just that, let's not forget about Dolby Atmos too.

Here's the updated list for potential versions of Avatar 2 (assuming Cameron doesn't do 5 different FL versions for 3D):

2D FLAT
2D CCAP FLAT
2D OCAP FLAT
2D 7.1 FLAT
2D CCAP 7.1 FLAT
2D OCAP 7.1 FLAT
2D FLAT ATMOS
2D CCAP ATMOS FLAT
2D OCAP ATMOS FLAT

3D FLAT
3D CCAP FLAT
3D OCAP FLAT
3D 7.1 FLAT
3D CCAP 7.1 FLAT
3D OCAP 7.1 FLAT
3D ATMOS FLAT
3D CCAP ATMOS FLAT
3D OCAP ATMOS FLAT

3D 6FL FLAT
3D CCAP 6FL FLAT
3D OCAP 6FL FLAT
3D 6FL 7.1 FLAT
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1 FLAT
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1 FLAT
3D 6FL ATMOS FLAT
3D CCAP ATMOS 6FL FLAT
3D OCAP ATMOS 6FL FLAT

2D PROMO FLAT
2D PROMO CCAP FLAT
2D PROMO OCAP FLAT
2D PROMO 7.1 FLAT
2D PROMO CCAP 7.1 FLAT
2D PROMO OCAP 7.1 FLAT
2D PROMO FLAT ATMOS
2D PROMO CCAP ATMOS FLAT
2D PROMO OCAP ATMOS FLAT

3D PROMO FLAT
3D PROMO CCAP FLAT
3D PROMO OCAP FLAT
3D PROMO 7.1 FLAT
3D PROMO CCAP 7.1 FLAT
3D PROMO OCAP 7.1 FLAT
3D PROMO ATMOS FLAT
3D PROMO CCAP ATMOS FLAT
3D PROMO OCAP ATMOS FLAT

3D PROMO 6FL FLAT
3D PROMO CCAP 6FL FLAT
3D PROMO OCAP 6FL FLAT
3D PROMO 6FL 7.1 FLAT
3D PROMO CCAP 6FL 7.1 FLAT
3D PROMO OCAP 6FL 7.1 FLAT
3D PROMO 6FL ATMOS FLAT
3D PROMO CCAP ATMOS 6FL FLAT
3D PROMO OCAP ATMOS 6FL FLAT

2D FLAT HFR48
2D CCAP FLAT HFR48
2D OCAP FLAT HFR48
2D 7.1 FLAT HFR48
2D CCAP 7.1 FLAT HFR48
2D OCAP 7.1 FLAT HFR48
2D FLAT ATMOS HFR48
2D CCAP ATMOS FLAT HFR48
2D OCAP ATMOS FLAT HFR48

3D FLAT HFR48
3D CCAP FLAT HFR48
3D OCAP FLAT HFR48
3D 7.1 FLAT HFR48
3D CCAP 7.1 FLAT HFR48
3D OCAP 7.1 FLAT HFR48
3D ATMOS FLAT HFR48
3D CCAP ATMOS FLAT HFR48
3D OCAP ATMOS FLAT HFR48

3D 6FL FLAT HFR48
3D CCAP 6FL FLAT HFR48
3D OCAP 6FL FLAT HFR48
3D 6FL 7.1 FLAT HFR48
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1 FLAT HFR48
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1 FLAT HFR48
3D 6FL ATMOS FLAT HFR48
3D CCAP ATMOS 6FL FLAT HFR48
3D OCAP ATMOS 6FL FLAT HFR48

2D PROMO FLAT HFR48
2D PROMO CCAP FLAT HFR48
2D PROMO OCAP FLAT HFR48
2D PROMO 7.1 FLAT HFR48
2D PROMO CCAP 7.1 FLAT HFR48
2D PROMO OCAP 7.1 FLAT HFR48
2D PROMO ATMOS FLAT HFR48
2D PROMO CCAP ATMOS FLAT HFR48
2D PROMO OCAP ATMOS FLAT HFR48

3D PROMO FLAT HFR48
3D PROMO CCAP FLAT HFR48
3D PROMO OCAP FLAT HFR48
3D PROMO 7.1 FLAT HFR48
3D PROMO CCAP 7.1 FLAT HFR48
3D PROMO OCAP 7.1 FLAT HFR48
3D PROMO ATMOS FLAT HFR48
3D PROMO CCAP ATMOS FLAT HFR48
3D PROMO OCAP ATMOS FLAT HFR48

3D PROMO 6FL FLAT HFR48
3D PROMO CCAP 6FL FLAT HFR48
3D PROMO OCAP 6FL FLAT HFR48
3D PROMO 6FL 7.1 FLAT HFR48
3D PROMO CCAP 6FL 7.1 FLAT HFR48
3D PROMO OCAP 6FL 7.1 FLAT HFR48
3D PROMO 6FL ATMOS FLAT HFR48
3D PROMO CCAP ATMOS 6FL FLAT HFR48
3D PROMO OCAP ATMOS 6FL FLAT HFR48

2D FLAT HFR60
2D CCAP FLAT HFR60
2D OCAP FLAT HFR60
2D 7.1 FLAT HFR60
2D CCAP 7.1 FLAT HFR60
2D OCAP 7.1 FLAT HFR60
2D FLAT ATMOS HFR60
2D CCAP ATMOS FLAT HFR60
2D OCAP ATMOS FLAT HFR60

3D FLAT HFR60
3D CCAP FLAT HFR60
3D OCAP FLAT HFR60
3D 7.1 FLAT HFR60
3D CCAP 7.1 FLAT HFR60
3D OCAP 7.1 FLAT HFR60
3D ATMOS FLAT HFR60
3D CCAP ATMOS FLAT HFR60
3D OCAP ATMOS FLAT HFR60

3D 6FL FLAT HFR60
3D CCAP 6FL FLAT HFR60
3D OCAP 6FL FLAT HFR60
3D 6FL 7.1 FLAT HFR60
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1 FLAT HFR60
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1 FLAT HFR60
3D 6FL ATMOS FLAT HFR60
3D CCAP ATMOS 6FL FLAT HFR60
3D OCAP ATMOS 6FL FLAT HFR60

2D PROMO FLAT HFR60
2D PROMO CCAP FLAT HFR60
2D PROMO OCAP FLAT HFR60
2D PROMO 7.1 FLAT HFR60
2D PROMO CCAP 7.1 FLAT HFR60
2D PROMO OCAP 7.1 FLAT HFR60
2D PROMO ATMOS FLAT HFR60
2D PROMO CCAP ATMOS FLAT HFR60
2D PROMO OCAP ATMOS FLAT HFR60

3D PROMO FLAT HFR60
3D PROMO CCAP FLAT HFR60
3D PROMO OCAP FLAT HFR60
3D PROMO 7.1 FLAT HFR60
3D PROMO CCAP 7.1 FLAT HFR60
3D PROMO OCAP 7.1 FLAT HFR60
3D PROMO ATMOS FLAT HFR60
3D PROMO CCAP ATMOS FLAT HFR60
3D PROMO OCAP ATMOS FLAT HFR60

3D PROMO 6FL FLAT HFR60
3D PROMO CCAP 6FL FLAT HFR60
3D PROMO OCAP 6FL FLAT HFR60
3D PROMO 6FL 7.1 FLAT HFR60
3D PROMO CCAP 6FL 7.1 FLAT HFR60
3D PROMO OCAP 6FL 7.1 FLAT HFR60
3D PROMO 6FL ATMOS FLAT HFR60
3D PROMO CCAP ATMOS 6FL FLAT HFR60
3D PROMO OCAP ATMOS 6FL FLAT HFR60

2D SCOPE
2D CCAP SCOPE
2D OCAP SCOPE
2D 7.1 SCOPE
2D CCAP 7.1 SCOPE
2D OCAP 7.1 SCOPE
2D SCOPE ATMOS
2D CCAP ATMOS SCOPE
2D OCAP ATMOS SCOPE

3D SCOPE
3D CCAP SCOPE
3D OCAP SCOPE
3D 7.1 SCOPE
3D CCAP 7.1 SCOPE
3D OCAP 7.1 SCOPE
3D ATMOS SCOPE
3D CCAP ATMOS SCOPE
3D OCAP ATMOS SCOPE

3D 6FL SCOPE
3D CCAP 6FL SCOPE
3D OCAP 6FL SCOPE
3D 6FL 7.1 SCOPE
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1 SCOPE
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1 SCOPE
3D 6FL ATMOS SCOPE
3D CCAP ATMOS 6FL SCOPE
3D OCAP ATMOS 6FL SCOPE

2D PROMO SCOPE
2D PROMO CCAP SCOPE
2D PROMO OCAP SCOPE
2D PROMO 7.1 SCOPE
2D PROMO CCAP 7.1 SCOPE
2D PROMO OCAP 7.1 SCOPE
2D PROMO ATMOS SCOPE
2D PROMO CCAP ATMOS SCOPE
2D PROMO OCAP ATMOS SCOPE

3D PROMO SCOPE
3D PROMO CCAP SCOPE
3D PROMO OCAP SCOPE
3D PROMO 7.1 SCOPE
3D PROMO CCAP 7.1 SCOPE
3D PROMO OCAP 7.1 SCOPE
3D PROMO ATMOS SCOPE
3D PROMO CCAP ATMOS SCOPE
3D PROMO OCAP ATMOS SCOPE

3D PROMO 6FL SCOPE
3D PROMO CCAP 6FL SCOPE
3D PROMO OCAP 6FL SCOPE
3D PROMO 6FL 7.1 SCOPE
3D PROMO CCAP 6FL 7.1 SCOPE
3D PROMO OCAP 6FL 7.1 SCOPE
3D PROMO 6FL ATMOS SCOPE
3D PROMO CCAP ATMOS 6FL SCOPE
3D PROMO OCAP ATMOS 6FL SCOPE

2D SCOPE HFR48
2D CCAP SCOPE HFR48
2D OCAP SCOPE HFR48
2D 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
2D CCAP 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
2D OCAP 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
2D SCOPE ATMOS HFR48
2D CCAP ATMOS SCOPE HFR48
2D OCAP ATMOS SCOPE HFR48

3D SCOPE HFR48
3D CCAP SCOPE HFR48
3D OCAP SCOPE HFR48
3D 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
3D CCAP 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
3D OCAP 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
3D ATMOS SCOPE HFR48
3D CCAP ATMOS SCOPE HFR48
3D OCAP ATMOS SCOPE HFR48

3D 6FL SCOPE HFR48
3D CCAP 6FL SCOPE HFR48
3D OCAP 6FL SCOPE HFR48
3D 6FL 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
3D 6FL ATMOS SCOPE HFR48
3D CCAP ATMOS 6FL SCOPE HFR48
3D OCAP ATMOS 6FL SCOPE HFR48

2D PROMO SCOPE HFR48
2D PROMO CCAP SCOPE HFR48
2D PROMO OCAP SCOPE HFR48
2D PROMO 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
2D PROMO CCAP 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
2D PROMO OCAP 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
2D PROMO ATMOS SCOPE HFR48
2D PROMO CCAP ATMOS SCOPE HFR48
2D PROMO OCAP ATMOS SCOPE HFR48

3D PROMO SCOPE HFR48
3D PROMO CCAP SCOPE HFR48
3D PROMO OCAP SCOPE HFR48
3D PROMO 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
3D PROMO CCAP 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
3D PROMO OCAP 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
3D PROMO ATMOS SCOPE HFR48
3D PROMO CCAP ATMOS SCOPE HFR48
3D PROMO OCAP ATMOS SCOPE HFR48

3D PROMO 6FL SCOPE HFR48
3D PROMO CCAP 6FL SCOPE HFR48
3D PROMO OCAP 6FL SCOPE HFR48
3D PROMO 6FL 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
3D PROMO CCAP 6FL 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
3D PROMO OCAP 6FL 7.1 SCOPE HFR48
3D PROMO 6FL ATMOS SCOPE HFR48
3D PROMO CCAP ATMOS 6FL SCOPE HFR48
3D PROMO OCAP ATMOS 6FL SCOPE HFR48

2D SCOPE HFR60
2D CCAP SCOPE HFR60
2D OCAP SCOPE HFR60
2D 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
2D CCAP 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
2D OCAP 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
2D SCOPE ATMOS HFR60
2D CCAP ATMOS SCOPE HFR60
2D OCAP ATMOS SCOPE HFR60

3D SCOPE HFR60
3D CCAP SCOPE HFR60
3D OCAP SCOPE HFR60
3D 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
3D CCAP 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
3D OCAP 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
3D ATMOS SCOPE HFR60
3D CCAP ATMOS SCOPE HFR60
3D OCAP ATMOS SCOPE HFR60

3D 6FL SCOPE HFR60
3D CCAP 6FL SCOPE HFR60
3D OCAP 6FL SCOPE HFR60
3D 6FL 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
3D CCAP 6FL 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
3D OCAP 6FL 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
3D 6FL ATMOS SCOPE HFR60
3D CCAP ATMOS 6FL SCOPE HFR60
3D OCAP ATMOS 6FL SCOPE HFR60

2D PROMO SCOPE HFR60
2D PROMO CCAP SCOPE HFR60
2D PROMO OCAP SCOPE HFR60
2D PROMO 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
2D PROMO CCAP 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
2D PROMO OCAP 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
2D PROMO ATMOS SCOPE HFR60
2D PROMO CCAP ATMOS SCOPE HFR60
2D PROMO OCAP ATMOS SCOPE HFR60

3D PROMO SCOPE HFR60
3D PROMO CCAP SCOPE HFR60
3D PROMO OCAP SCOPE HFR60
3D PROMO 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
3D PROMO CCAP 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
3D PROMO OCAP 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
3D PROMO ATMOS SCOPE HFR60
3D PROMO CCAP ATMOS SCOPE HFR60
3D PROMO OCAP ATMOS SCOPE HFR60

3D PROMO 6FL SCOPE HFR60
3D PROMO CCAP 6FL SCOPE HFR60
3D PROMO OCAP 6FL SCOPE HFR60
3D PROMO 6FL 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
3D PROMO CCAP 6FL 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
3D PROMO OCAP 6FL 7.1 SCOPE HFR60
3D PROMO 6FL ATMOS SCOPE HFR60
3D PROMO CCAP ATMOS 6FL SCOPE HFR60
3D PROMO OCAP ATMOS 6FL SCOPE HFR60

Did I miss anything? That's over 300 versions, right?

quote: Mike Blakesley
Why can't they make one version that "has" everything and let the software in the projector sort it out? Why isn't THAT possible?
That would make too much sense Mike. You know better.
 
Posted by Jack Ondracek (Member # 1466) on 09-27-2012, 09:35 PM:
 
Ummmm...
Can they get all that on one hard drive?
 
Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 09-27-2012, 09:57 PM:
 
quote: Mike Blakesley
Why can't they make one version that "has" everything and let the software in the projector sort it out? Why isn't THAT possible?
Aren't DCPs really "container files" which are really just folders that contain all the files necessary to present a given program or segment of a program? Aren't many of the files inside the DCP container just container files, themselves? Aren't these files tied together by an XML file which gives the computer its instructions on which files to play and when?

If I was making a movie, couldn't I just create all the sound files, video files, subtitle files or whatever other kind of random media files I need then package them all into a DCP container, topping it all off with a correctly formatted XML file that tells the computer what to do in order to play that movie?

So, if I wanted to have a movie that has 2-D scope and 3-D flat version with a soundtrack in Swahili and a subtitle track in French, I should be able to do that, tie all those files together with the proper XML code, package the whole kit and kaboodle up as a DCP then let the computer sort out all the rest.

Right?

So, why do I need a series of multiple files which are, themselves, just a series of multiple files?

Wouldn't that be repetitiously redundant?
 
Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 09-28-2012, 01:30 AM:
 
Granted, this could get rid of some of the redundancy of having separate DCP's that have large portions of their contents largely the same, but wouldn't having the DCP's done in that manner (with them containing all the content for all the version) make them considerably larger than they are currently?
 
Posted by John Thomas (Member # 6509) on 09-28-2012, 01:41 AM:
 
I am still offended by the DCP naming scheme we have to deal with. Seriously, this is what metadata is for.
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 09-28-2012, 02:16 AM:
 
The naming scheme is fine. The problem are the people who can't be bothered to FOLLOW IT! [Mad] We already have TRAILERS tagged as FEATURES, ADS, TEST/OTHER.

Seriously, what moron flagged the ATLAS-SHRUGGED-II-THE-STRIKE trailer as a feature clip? Same for LES MISERABLES. Whoever you are, you suck at your job. Its really not that hard. (Think I'm kidding, just look at the current Deluxe trailer drive.)
 
Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 09-28-2012, 06:41 AM:
 
Ah...it is nice to be "single inventory!"

I agree that a DCI requirement of the server manufacturers should be to allow the installer to "define" what features this theatre supports and at that point, the player selects the correct version (give or take OCAP/CCAP). That is what metadata is for (at least part of what it is for).
 
Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 09-28-2012, 07:20 AM:
 
What metadata? Isn't that what the ASSETMAP file is for?

It sounds to me like the people who make the movies don't know how to do their jobs.

What's worse, they can't do a job that they created and defined for themselves.
 
Posted by Dennis Benjamin (Member # 1137) on 09-28-2012, 07:53 AM:
 
This subject is by far one of my biggest complaints about this digital stuff.

I made it a point to learn all this Digital Naming Convention stuff, why can't the people who send out the trailers/features/ads learn it too?

It's very annoying.
 
Posted by Ken Lackner (Member # 1002) on 09-28-2012, 08:34 AM:
 
It certainly is possible to create a single DCP that contains all of the essence and metadata files for each different version of the feature, and include one CPL for each version. The CPL is what tells the system how to put everything together to play back the title. One DCP can contain multiple CPLs.

There may, however, be some specific reason this isn't done other than they just haven't thought of it.

quote: Jack Ondracek
Ummmm...
Can they get all that on one hard drive?

This certainly could be an issue. Also of concern is storage space on each screen server. If we're only talking one version of the image files, but multiple audio versions, storage space wouldn't be as much of a concern; the image files take up the most room. But once you start talking about 2D and 3D and 3D6FL, storage space would certainly become a concern. That's three features right there, and many screen servers only hold 3-4 average features. And no, you can't ingest only part of a DCP; it's all or nothing. You must ingest the entire package. So if all three versions were packaged together in a single DCP, you would be forced to ingest the entire DCP even if you only need one version.

Even if storage space was not a concern, you would still need to select the proper CPL to build into your SPL. So imagine if the theater ingested a DCP that cotained six different versions of a particular feature. There would then be six different CPLs for that feature on the TMS or SMS. The operator would still need to select the correct version when building the show. Better to only ingest the content that is actually needed, IMHO, which means seperate DCPs for each version.

EDIT: Also, I don't know a whole lot about the Atmos system, but I thought Atmos tracks were backwards compatible so that they could play on any system, negating the need for dual inventory. Someone please clarify this or correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 09-28-2012, 10:57 AM:
 
Why can't you ingest only the content you need? Your system should "know" what it can play and what it can not. The ASSETMAP file in the DCP package should be able to tell the system what's in the DCP. There's no reason why the system couldn't pick and choose based on that information.

Except for trailers, why should there be more than one different version of a movie? I assume trailers and other content still need to be formatted the same as the feature. Correct?

So, then, if your computer knows what it can play or not play, it could ingest the content it needs, skipping the unneeded files then, because it already knows what format the feature is in, only ingest trailers in the format(s) that are needed to match your features.

Yes, I understand that you're saying things don't work that way but I still think they could work that way.

Wasn't part of the pitch "they" made to theaters in order to sell video projectors in place of film that things would be "easier" to operate?

We have computerized machines that can fly to Mars and send back pictures but we don't have machines that can automatically play a movie? Doesn't make sense.
 
Posted by Mark Hajducki (Member # 1732) on 09-28-2012, 11:11 AM:
 
quote: Randy Stankey
Except for trailers, why should there be more than one different version of a movie? I assume trailers and other content still need to be formatted the same as the feature. Correct?
There will be some need for the exhibitor to choose which version they want to play (out of the versions they are equipped to play).

Some films will come in both dubbed and subtitled versions (with hard of hearing subtitled versions as well), others may come as versions with two different ratings (which may be a completely different image sequence). A 3D equipped cinema will be able to play the 2D version, a frame rate lower than the maximum could be chosen, a 7.1 auditorium will be able to play 5.1.
 
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 09-28-2012, 11:43 AM:
 
I may have asked this before, but what happens if a 3D DCP is played on a 2D system? Is the result watchable, or does it look like a 3D film would to a viewer not wearing 3D glasses?

Is the CCAP version a closed-captioned version (like the DTS system that uses an LED panel on the back wall of the theatre and rear-view mirrors that clip to theatre seats to allow deaf patrons to read the captions)? If so, why would it be different from the non-captioned version? Couldn't a theatre without the close-captioning system just play the closed-captioned file?

And what could possibly be the point of a 7.1 mix with an open-captioned file?
 
Posted by Jussi Siponen (Member # 5572) on 09-28-2012, 02:38 PM:
 
Atmos enabled DCPs contain also the standard linear PCM audio, so no need for dual inventory on account of Atmos.

At least Dolby servers are smart enough to cherry pick only the assets required based on what CPL the operator chooses to ingest, ignoring assets that are not relevant for that CPL. So yes, we may very well see distribution disks with a large number of CPLs combining a handful of assets in different ways. The distribution disks themselves will naturally have more data on them, but your storage requirements won't suddenly skyrocket - your server will just ignore the extra bits and not ingest them.
 
Posted by Frank Cox (Member # 6258) on 09-28-2012, 02:52 PM:
 
quote: Scott Norwood
what happens if a 3D DCP is played on a 2D system? Is the result watchable, or does it look like a 3D film would to a viewer not wearing 3D glasses?
I believe that 3D and 2D use a different colour-space. (Someone correct me if I'm using the wrong terminology.) I know that if I add 3D content to a 2D playlist everything turns into lovely shades of pink, purple and green.

quote: Scott Norwood
Couldn't a theatre without the close-captioning system just play the closed-captioned file?
That's what I (and I assume everyone else) do. Most movies come with two files: blah-blah-CCAP and blah-blah-OCAP. Generally all I need to ingest and play is blah-blah-CCAP.
 
Posted by Mark Hajducki (Member # 1732) on 09-28-2012, 04:23 PM:
 
quote: Scott Norwood
And what could possibly be the point of a 7.1 mix with an open-captioned file?
The open-captioned screenings will not be exclusively for hard of hearing customers, so somebody may appreciate the extra sound channels.

If a cinema is advertising a feature as being 7.1 all showings should be in that format.
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 09-28-2012, 09:22 PM:
 
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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 09-29-2012, 10:03 PM:
 
This is hilarious.
 
Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 11-07-2013, 12:22 AM:
 

It has been 403 days since the last post.


 
Posted by Michael Gonzalez (Member # 593) on 11-07-2013, 12:22 AM:
 
Now you can add 3D white screen and 3D silver screen options (in both 5.1 and 7.1) to the lists.
 
Posted by Justin Hamaker (Member # 2165) on 11-07-2013, 02:17 AM:
 
There would be a fairly easy solution to this. As distribution is moving more to satellite, the content servers at the theatre simply need to be programmed with the versions used at the given theatre. Then they would only need to publish the necessary versions to the theatre's LMS.

As for the metadata, the studios need to start using it. The LMS systems are capable of so much, but they need metadata to make it work. For example, if the studios used metadata to identify the trailer rating, the industry could make it virtually impossible to accidentally program a red-band trailer on anything but an R or NC17 film. Fortunately, my boss is involved with NATO's technology committee and they are trying to get the studios to implement these various suggestions, as well as adopt a universal CPL naming convention.
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 11-07-2013, 11:32 AM:
 
Did I miss anything?

Yes... the latest were the 3-D versions for white screens.
 




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