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Posted by Reeves Watson (Member # 9124) on 11-13-2015, 10:45 AM:

I know this has been covered before however I cannot see anything, I want to convert our Blu Ray screenings into DCP for a variety of reasons and wondered what software people use to rip before converting in DCP o Matic. Also what file do I need to output from the rip and will this maintain the surround sound for the final DCP file.

Thank you very much

Reeves

Posted by Sean Weitzel (Member # 244) on 11-13-2015, 12:22 PM:

I've had good luck with AnyDVD-HD. Despite the name it has full BD support. It's €59 or €79 with 2 years of updates included. You can download it and use it fully functional for 20 days as a trial.

http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvdhd.html

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 11-13-2015, 03:17 PM:

I've heard that "MakeMKV" (and have seen it in action) can "rip" a BD into an MKV file (including the whizbang audio) that DCP O MATIC can convert into a DCP.

In fact, it looked smart enough that it sees the big file section and suggests that is the one you want (not all of the little "extras."

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 11-13-2015, 03:29 PM:

MakeMKV shows you a list of what's on the disk so it's easy to pick out the file you need - on a movie disk it's usually the largest file and listed first. If in doubt you can always convert more than one file and then use an MKV player to verify the one you want.

Posted by John Roddy (Member # 7348) on 11-13-2015, 04:25 PM:

AnyDVD(-HD) is just software that automatically cracks and/or ignores copy protection and region locking on any disc you put in your computer. That's the hard part. Once the software restrictions are out of the way, you could probably just open the drive in Windows Explorer and copy/paste the source files to a local directory if you wanted to. Although AnyDVD does have disc cloning & ripping functionality built in. A nice bonus feature is that it has a little checkbox for skipping any pre-movie ads or menus. Also, do keep in mind that if the source disc isn't copy-protected or region-locked, AnyDVD isn't really necessary.

Of course, at the end of the day, this type of software only gives you access to the source files. Actually getting the right ones and making a DCP out of them is an entirely different process.

Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 11-13-2015, 05:08 PM:

+MakeMKV. Output can directly be fed into DCP-o-matic, incl. multiple audio track + subtitle detection and selection.

MakeMKV has a preset system, once you're familiar with it, you can easily set the software to default to select specific language audio, audio codec type, and subtitle tracks.

- Carsten

Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 11-13-2015, 05:29 PM:

+1 on MakeMKV. I don't normally buy software when there is a usable free equivalent, but MakeMKV was well worth the price ($50-ish, if I remember correctly).

Posted by Jim Leko (Member # 1287) on 11-13-2015, 05:37 PM:

I have purchased both AnyDVD-HD and MakeMKV for my home ripping needs. One big advantage about MakeMKV, is it will read playlist information, and rip in that manner. Take a disc that contains both a theatrical and directors cut on the same disc. With AnyDVD-HD, there are a bunch of video files. The blu-ray player normally plays them in the correct sequence depending on which playlist (theatrical vs directors cut) you chose. It's more of a pain to reassemble these files with AnyDVD HD. With MakeMKV, you just tell it which playlist you want to rip, and it puts them together for you (one MKV file with the whole movie).

If whatever you are ripping contains split movie files, I would definitely go with MakeMKV. If the movie in question is just one file on the disc, then either is fine.

MakeMKV is also free while in beta. You can purchase it if you don't want to keep entering a new beta key every month or so.

Posted by Paul Willmott (Member # 3904) on 11-14-2015, 08:53 AM:

I have used MakeMKV and DCP-o-matic and they usually work well. However, I have had two created DCPs that stopped in the middle of playback (on a GDC server). The first one I tracked to a glitch in the mkv file, but the second one I couldn't find any problem. Anyone else had this issue?

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 11-14-2015, 11:11 AM:

It's always a good idea to do a test play. I had a two minute video that I converted "last minute" for a meeting and didn't get a chance to test the DCP. When I ran it for the group, the first 30 seconds played four times. Never did figure that one out.

Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 11-14-2015, 12:17 PM:

Mike, did you do an upgrade on DCP-o-Matic up to the current 2.4?

Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 11-15-2015, 04:43 PM:

I have used Handbrake with any dvd or Akrok

Posted by Bernie Anderson Jr (Member # 410) on 11-15-2015, 04:49 PM:

MakeMKV is my go to program to rip blurays. Supposedly, It doesn't re-encode it but just pulls the file. It will be a big file 15-35gb depending on the original source. Its worth the extra money to purchase. If you're ripping DVD, the software is free. I'll use handbrake, but it does re-encode the file and can loose quality. Too me it seems subtle.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 11-15-2015, 05:58 PM:

Not sure if it's appropriate in this thread, but tsmuxer is a handy program that allows you to change the audio file that matches up with a M2TS file without re-encoding the video. Can be handy if the audio format on a Blu-ray disc isn't compatible with your playback setup and needs to be re-encoded into a different format.

Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 11-15-2015, 06:42 PM:

MakeMKV is a wonderful app and works on both Mac and PC.

tsMuxer is also a great tool for turning the MKV into an M2TS file or working with different audio files when needed. It does have some trouble with TrueHD file after a rip from MakeMKV. Ive used this app to take say a Blu-ray rip of one of my Blu-rays and mux it with an audio track that was ripped and sync'd from a LaserDisc.

If you do need to do audio transcoding, eac3to is an excellent utility (for Windows only that I know of) that can take a lossless audio track from TrueHD or DTS-HD and convert it into PCM as needed.

Does anyone know when using DCP-O-Matic if it is utilizing the lossless track or the core track from a TrueHD or DTS-HD file?

Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 11-16-2015, 08:47 AM:

How is MakeMKV at doing frame rate conversion?

Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 11-16-2015, 09:09 AM:

It doesn't do anything like this. Which is what I prefer. Basically, MakeMKV only grabs from the disc what's there and wraps it into common MKV containers, it's a 1:1 conversion, no processing at all. I understand there is a way to attach FFMPEG or libav as a post-processor for transcoding, but I don't know how to do it and never needed it.
I try to avoid any frame-rate conversion anyway, with the exception of the occasional 24->25->24 upspeed or slowdown if absolutely necessary.

I also like the option to include/exclude normal and forced subtitles.

The resulting MLVs integrate nicely with DCP-o-matic, you can choose from multiple audio or subtitle tracks within DCP-o-matic, if DCP conversion is needed. Mediaplayers will also show these selection options.

- Carsten

Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 11-16-2015, 12:53 PM:

Except some servers will only play at 24fps so frame rate onversion in necessary and most i find tend to stutter the image

Posted by Jason McMillan (Member # 5542) on 11-16-2015, 12:58 PM:

I myself have had excellent results using AnyDVDHD in combination with Handbrake... and bonus, Handbrake is free and open-source.

Posted by Rachael Barbash (Member # 5158) on 11-16-2015, 01:48 PM:

Has anyone used Cineasset to make their DCPs? We've had some interesting problems with it such as digital feedback in the greys/blacks. We've recently started using Adobe Wraptor Pro to make our DCPs. After working through some bugs with Adobe it seems to be pretty good.

Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 11-16-2015, 02:19 PM:

quote: Gordon McLeod
Except some servers will only play at 24fps so frame rate onversion in necessary and most i find tend to stutter the image

The only server left with this limitation should be Dolbys DSS100/DSP100.

Quick'n dirty conversion can be done right in DCP-o-matic.
24/25 conversion is trivial, however, if you mean 30/29,97 to 24fps, there is no easy way to do this with progressive material, and good converters do cost quite some money. I wouldn't expect a higher-grade framerate converter as a side-function in a Ripping or DCP conversion software.

- Carsten

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 11-17-2015, 05:25 AM:

I'm surprised that Dolby never included 25fps into the DSP100...they do for MPEG encoding just not JPEG2K

Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 11-17-2015, 09:09 PM:

Yes, it is very strange they support more framerates in MPEG2 than in J2k. One would think the DSP100 may have different hardware decoders for both. Hard to believe Dolby brought the DSS100/DSP100 to v4.7/DCI, without fixing such a fundamental issue if it was only software.

- Carsten

Posted by Reeves Watson (Member # 9124) on 12-07-2015, 08:05 AM:

Thank you all for your advice, we have been using Any DVD and DCP o Matic and seems to be working out well.