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Posted by Michal Matys (Member # 8614) on 02-28-2016, 08:36 AM:

Hi guys,

I have a question about new release which is comming next week - Zootropolis format.

The movie is named as scope, but it looks more like smaller scope letterboxed into normal scope. I believe studios does that because they want some make 3D effect better by making it sometimes go out of the picture, but my question is what do you do with it?
I have been told some sites just zoom in the picture and creates 3rd format, but I dont think it should be like that since the studio did not want it, but on halls where you have huge keystone issue it doesnt look good at all.

Please let me know how you handle those things.

Thanks
Michal

Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 02-28-2016, 09:32 AM:

It's Disney, it's 3D, so it has floating windows. These features come with framing guides to help you with the setup of your screen. You should not mask out the side bars if you show it in 3D.

https://digitalcinema.disney.com/dc3dFloatWinMov.aspx

- Carsten

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 02-28-2016, 11:32 AM:

It's also "Zootopia," not Zootropolis.

Posted by Jim Cassedy (Member # 4115) on 02-28-2016, 11:43 AM:

quote: Mike Blakesley
It's also "Zootopia," not Zootropolis.

Actually, Mike, at the risk of nit-picking, I've seen it referred
to both ways. The North American and European versions are
apparently titled differently. Perhaps there's some obscure
trademark or copyright kerfuffle between the continents.

Posted by Michal Matys (Member # 8614) on 02-28-2016, 11:58 AM:

Yes, Zootopia, sorry just didnt realise its probably local "translation".

I have managed to find one cinema which actually still have the hdd and have the framing chart there. Although I dont like making new format just because of one movie, I will see what I can do tommorow morning.

Thank Carsten for the explnation

Michal

Posted by Justin Hamaker (Member # 2165) on 02-28-2016, 05:04 PM:

Looking at the posters on IMP Awards, it looks like it is called by at least 4 different titles: Zootopia, Zootropolis, Zoomania, Zootopie (this is probably a translation rather than an alternate).

Zootopia on IMPAwards.com

Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 02-29-2016, 12:33 AM:

You don't need a special framing chart. It's in scope and uses a floating window, like many animated Disney/Pixar 3D features do.

And yes, it's called Zootopia in de US and Zootropolis over here, even the English version is called that way. For whatever reason, Disney often localizes their titles. Maybe Disney believes we don't know about Utopia but we know all about metropolises...

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 02-29-2016, 03:41 PM:

quote: Justin Hamaker
it looks like it is called by at least 4 different titles: Zootopia, Zootropolis, Zoomania, Zootopie (this is probably a translation rather than an alternate).

I never thought about the language differences. Maybe the suffix "topia" means some off-putting thing in some places.

Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 02-29-2016, 04:33 PM:

The UK release also seems to be under the Zootropolis name.

The suffix "topia" doesn't sound more or less off-putting than "tropolis" to me.

According to this IMDB FAQ, the different names might actually have something to do with a potential trademark problem for the name "Zootopia".

Posted by Manny Montes (Member # 5639) on 02-29-2016, 10:56 PM:

to check the framing just use the chart that came on the drive, but it is standard scope. If you try and reframe to get it "full" instead of leaving the floating windows your presentation will suffer

Posted by Chris Haller (Member # 9206) on 03-01-2016, 10:07 AM:

When it does this floating window process, is it noticeable?

I don't think I've been out to see a Disney animated feature in 3D since they released Beauty and the Beast in 3D, and I don't remember noticing any of this phenomenon. It sounds fascinating.

Posted by Manny Montes (Member # 5639) on 03-01-2016, 11:30 AM:

It isn't noticeable with your 3D glasses on because each image is slightly offset, however without the glasses you can tell it's occurring, here's a video direct from disney demonstrating it, it's campy and old but still gets the point across
https://digitalcinema.disney.com/dc3dFloatWinMov.aspx

If you want a more technical read there is a whitepaper here:
https://michaelscroggins.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/bgardner_dynamicfloatingwdws_whitepaper.pdf

it's long and detailed but breaks down with the TL;DR conclusion below:

quote:

While digital cinema projection has improved image alignment during stereoscopic 3-D exhibition, it has not solved any
artifacts in stereoscopic 3-D production. Production has suffered from three major problems: stereo window violation,
retinal rivalry at the image edges, and insufficient depth range. Additionally, the stereo window has been a visual
element in every 3-D film, and even in many other 3-D media, but previously unavailable for creative or 3-D
storytelling[7] purposes by the Director or Stereographer during content production. The articulated Dynamic Floating
Window invention [3] successfully addresses all of these problems.
Even when there are no stereoscopic artifacts to be cured, the Dynamic Floating Window may be used to intensify the
audience’s emotional involvement in the scene, under directorial control. This takes the technique beyond just curing
stereoscopic artifacts, and opens up the technical achievement to enable a wide range of cinematic, spatial, creative, and
artistic uses. These previously had no corresponding opportunities. The Dynamic Floating Window invention has
introduced and opened up a new semantic element in the new spatial grammar of movies, which had previously not
existed in any form, adding three dimensional manipulation of a controllable, directable, articulated stereo window to the
Spatial Language of Movies