quote: Steve Guttag

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Even the CAT745, which boasted 120fps in its release notes isn't "certified" for running Billy Lynn beyond 60fps

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Yep, I did notice the small asterisk added on the latest release notes asking to check with Dolby first!
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 10-19-2016, 04:54 AM:
 
Dolby has a special Field Bulletin (260) document on Billy Lynn as to which servers support which of the HFR framerates.

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Justin Hamaker (Member # 2165) on 10-19-2016, 06:02 AM:
 
Doesn't it seem like the HFR information about this movie has only recently become available. It's been a while since I've looked into HFR comment, but the Avatar sequels are the only things I'm aware of as upcoming.
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 10-23-2016, 07:47 AM:
 
It was announced very early that Ang Lee would shoot Billy Lynn in 120fps/4k, but it took a long time until they settled on the final formats the cinema industry would receive to show it.

And...again...: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/movies/2016/10/billy_lynn_s_long_halftime_walk_looks_fantastic_it_s_also_unwatchable.html

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-23-2016, 02:14 PM:
 
So why aren't any of the marketing materials for this in HFR? TV ads and Youtube videos can easily be 60fps. Do they have something to hide? Are they afraid of turning people off due to the look?
 

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Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 10-23-2016, 05:33 PM:
 
Oh Joe!

I really wish Sony was forthcoming with more than just a motion test pattern. I have sites that are going to run this and while I can verify that we are passing the 60fps part, I have not verified that the color will be right. When running 60fps on those HDSDI systems that can handle the frame rate, one is backing down to a 4:2:2 10-bit color (essentially using the 3D colorspace of the system but not doing any frame duplication). I'd be nice if they had some color image (even a still) on top of the motion test (a clever enough motion test).

While one can make (and I have) their own 60fps target..I'd feel MUCH more comfortable if the same people that are making the feature send out say the trailer in 60fps (sort of like DTS did for Jurassic Park, way back when) so we have a proof-positive that things are ready AHEAD of time. But maybe Joe has something there...people might pre-judge the movie based on seeing the soap opera look in the preview.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-23-2016, 09:16 PM:
 
Sounds like this is going to have the same problem the Hobbit movies had. It looks so realistic, that it feels unrealistic.
 

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Posted by Thomas Hauerslev (Member # 566) on 10-24-2016, 01:11 AM:
 
Ang Lee's film is not to be compared to a movie, and what we are used to see. Doug puts it like this:

“To me, it opens up this other new palette that isn’t virtual reality, and it isn’t a movie, either. It’s something else.”

Douglas Trumbull

-, and:

".......(I) was astonished to be completely ‘blown away’ by the clip from Billy Lynn. Without any doubt at all these were the best 3D cinema images I have ever seen - sharp, clear, with enormous depth of field when appropriate - yes, in many ways it was like looking out of a window onto a very bright outdoor scene."

Jim Slater, Cinema Technology

"It was an overwhelmingly realistic and intimate, immersive, first person experience"

Martin Howe, blooloop.com

"... the images in “Billy Lynn” have an astonishing clarity and physical presence".

Variety's review 14.10.2016

"When I left this incredible experience at NAB, I was trembling and terrified, as thoughvI was actually in that experience. We saw the future, and I am enormously grateful that Ang Lee made this happen for us all"

Bill Desowitz, indiewire.com
 

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Posted by Jonathan Goeldner (Member # 4854) on 10-24-2016, 03:32 PM:
 
so neither 120fps or 60fps are at 4K resolution ?
 

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Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 10-24-2016, 04:10 PM:
 
NO!

With current DCI systems, there isn't enough bandwidth. In fact, Billy Lynn is sticking with 250Mbps.

Even the Barco Alchemy tops out at 4K/30fps 3D (but can handle the 120fps/2D/2K and 60fps/3D/2K)
 

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Posted by Jonathan Goeldner (Member # 4854) on 10-24-2016, 10:12 PM:
 
and ironically the 4K UHD home video release will be at the original digital capture resolution:

Digital Intermediate (4K) (master format)
F65 RAW (4K) (dual-strip 3-D) (source format)

but stuck at 2K due to the maxing out at what 3D allows.
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 10-25-2016, 05:32 AM:
 
Well it is certainly true that in this case from the directors view the higher frame rate is more important to keep than the higher resolution. Also, 4k/3D is still not in any DCI/DCP standard. Laser IMAX could do it in 3D/4k/60, as IMAX has tight control over their systems and make their own DCPs. Sonys can play 4k/60, also in 3D, although single projector 3D systems will then rescale to 2*2k for the split-lens.

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-25-2016, 11:31 AM:
 
Isn't the Dolby Cinema setup able to do 4K 3D at 60fps? Or does it max out at 24fps?
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 10-26-2016, 05:23 AM:
 
The Christie IMS used for Dolby cinema maxes out at 4k/30fps.
Unlike the Barco Alchemy, the Christie IMS still needs a conventional ICP in the projector, which limits the available framerate/resolution combos to standard series II specs (per eye in 3D).

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-26-2016, 05:56 PM:
 
Pfffftt. Wimps! Remember when we used to run separate sound and picture? Remember when we used to have 3 different projectors for 3 different parts of the screen? Why not have two projectors and two servers with RAID arrays full of SSDs, both running 60fps 4K, one for each eye? Or maybe 4 projectors and 4 servers to deliver 120fps 3D. It's worth it for Billy Lynn. I mean c'mon it's Ang Leeee!
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-26-2016, 06:01 PM:
 
Oh Joe, you're just being silly. Why not setup 4 projectors, each projecting 60FPS on top of 3 other machines, each also projecting 60FPS? Then we could have 240FPS and that would be so lifelike people would have heart attacks!!!


 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-26-2016, 06:05 PM:
 
All I know is that this is a story that NEEDS to be told in 120fps 3D. It can't be told in 2D or at 24fps, you just won't "get" it. This is BILLY.FUCKING.LYNN. You don't spare expenses on Billy.
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 10-26-2016, 08:52 PM:
 
Some background:

http://deadline.com/2016/10/ang-lee-billy-lynns-long-halftime-walk-frame-rate-technology-interview-1201836438/

Personally, I hate the HFR look. But I still want to see the scarce HFR releases in order to hate it more profound. So, looking forward to the 120fps version...

I think Cameron and Jackson had good technical reasons for HFR in 3D - 24fps L/R is really not enough for 3D perceiption.
Some would say, if 3D doesn't work in 24fps, then better get rid of 3D instead of making it even worse with HFR...

Anyway, looking forward to see the first 2D HFR release. I hope we receive the keys for all versions.

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 10-27-2016, 06:08 AM:
 
So I just recently saw a NATO letter that implies that the only HFR that is going to be released now are two. One in New York City and one in LA using the 4K/3D/120FPS format and they will open on 11/11. A week later the normal 2D/24fps will be released.

If true, I know of some that will be disappointed that they went through the trouble of getting prepared only to find that, not only will they not be showing it in the HFR (probably saved themselves from that potential fiasco) but also will be starting it a week late.
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 10-27-2016, 10:20 AM:
 
Are you sure this is not meant to depict only the few very rare 4k/120/3D locations using special equipment?

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Rick Cohen (Member # 6140) on 10-27-2016, 04:48 PM:
 
Steve is correct. Sony has advised NATO that there will only be two locations in the United States showing Billy Lynn's Halftime Walk in the 3D HFR format. The rest of the engagements will all be with 2D 24fps. Poor Ang Lee, all that hard work for nothing.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-27-2016, 06:53 PM:
 
That's gotta piss off Ang Lee and the production team. All that effort and only two screens with HFR? I, however, am quite amused.
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 10-27-2016, 09:05 PM:
 
That will not only piss off Ang Lee (read that interview I linked to above!!), it could easily kill HFR completely... all those HFR endorsers including Trumbull and Cameron will not be amused...

How comes that Sony first told ISDCF about their plans for the different HFR releases, and now they are pulling the plug completely?

I can only guess that the budget for this film was too small to justify a screen qualification scheme as Warner did it for the first Hobbit. Sony would have to 'ask' cinemas which format they're able to play, or they would have to put all versions on a disk and let the cinemas decide/test which works - with unexpected results...

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-27-2016, 10:15 PM:
 

quote: Rick Cohen

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The rest of the engagements will all be with 2D 24fps. Poor Ang Lee, all that hard work for nothing.

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quote: Harold Hallikainen

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So, what technology will get more people to the movies?

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I don't think ANY technology will get more people to go to movies that aren't good. We need more GOOD movies, and a longer video window. Especially the longer video window.

If they started unshrinking the window, and got it back out to six months, eight months maybe....it would take a while but people would start going to more movies. But, that will never happen so it's just a pipe dream.

I was kind of hoping to play Billy Lynn just to see what it looked like - but now it's just another movie, so we probably won't even play it unless it is a big hit.
 

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Posted by Buck Wilson (Member # 5885) on 10-28-2016, 12:40 AM:
 
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 10-28-2016, 05:55 AM:
 
Harold - one issue in this case certainly was - these many different HFR versions work against the struggling towards uniform release formats.

For The Hobbit, there was a screen qualification scheme started in advance. Only those screens passing the test would be granted HFR DCPs.
So today you could say any screen HFR capable would be able to play a 48fps 3D feature. But that happened four years ago, and many more screens are now HFR capable, at least 48fps capable. 60? No one tested that so far.

Billy Lynn' is not a block buster, so they didn't start an evaluation of the exhibition side about which format's they'd be able to play. Sony would have to guess or make all versions available on one disk (probably two, as they would have IOP 24fps and SMPTE HFR DCPs).
And this testing is not necessarily a works/don't works, it could be unreliable playback, bad colours, flash rate issues, etc.

Then there's electronic delivery. I don't think Billy Lynn is prominent enough to allow to distribute it in 6 different formats over DCDC...

Of course, the pull could also be related to the bad reviews of the HFR experience - although I'm not able to judge how the general public actually perceived these, as from over here, I see both negative and positive reviews.
At least for this aspect, Sony could have seen this coming very early in the process, they should have been prepared for it. So I think the decision, if it proves authentic, must have been because of above mentioned technical distribution issues.

You know I am following the ISDCFs efforts for the IOP/SMPTE transition. This HFR uncertainty shows some of those problems as well. Neither studios nor exhibition know for sure what all the systems in the field are capable of, both equipment/firmware and setup wise. There is servers, there is projectors, there is 3D systems, there is TMS's. All need to play together.
Obviously, Sony did not trust the exhibition industry to sort this out themselves. And I guess they were right to do so. Too many locations with no knowledgeable staff.

Technically, this is a very complex problem. After the digital rollout has finished for most of the world, the installed equipment, even though software based and as such considered 'flexible' to a great amount, presents itself stuck at 24fps just as in 35mm times. The digital cinema revolution has become it's own deadlock.

As I said many times, I am not a HFR fan from a cinemagoer's perspective, but am of course interested in technical and perceptional advancements. I am a bit disturbed this is happening. It could mean the end to HFR, and possibly other technical advancements as well.

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 10-28-2016, 07:15 AM:
 
Carsten,

You are incorrect on the server qualification part of Billy Lynn. Sony indeed sent out test DCPs so exhibitors could qualify their servers, in advance. The test target consisted of two patterns:

1) Full white block and one of a grey block.

Any flickering is a fail.

2) a grid pattern with a moving white block within the grid. You take a photo (or several photos) while the block is moving. If there are any discontinuities, then it is a fail (e.g. one block lit, the next not, the next lit).

This is an example of both a colorspace fail as well as a 60fps fail:



This is an example of the right colorspace but still a 60fps fail:



And finally, this is an example of a color and frame rate pass:



These were all done in 2D theatres interested in showing the movie in 2D HFR. I think the scary thing for Sony are the first two examples (the fails). These were sent to me by exhibitors that THOUGHT that they had passed!!!! I guess they figured if that they got ANY image on screen, it was a pass (ignoring the text in the image that told them what they were supposed to be looking for. If many exhibitors had opened the movie with those sorts of disasters, it would reflect very poorly.

The other possibility is that they looked at the proposed 60fps 2D and 3D versions and deemed them to be too Hobbit like and piss off people from HFR altogether. Though I'd think that the 2D wouldn't suffer so since it shouldn't have a time-variant issue like 3D will with a single projector.

There are a couple of things I think Sony and server manufacturers could have done to make things better:

While the server companies did do research as to what their products were capable of (Harold mentioned it and Dolby issued a Field Bulletin), nobody really said, in order for this to work, put your server in to "this mode" and configure projector with "these files." So it was left to the exhibitor to test, evaluate and experiment (if they even knew there was a problem.

The other thing they could have done is take the old DTS/Jurassic Park approach. Provide the TRAILERS in the various formats so the perspective exhibitors could get a proof-positive that things look correct. If HFR is all it is cracked up to be, people should be WANTING to see it in HFR if the preview showed it off, right? As it is, the only way to get actual content was to get a KDMed test drive. The preview route would have not had that hurdle and accomplished what was needed.

Well, this is does remove a potential fiasco from me, at least. I had several sites that were ready to run it (and I have configured there servers/projectors now) but I knew there would be last minute people in the bigger plexes since they can always play anything (smaller screen count people have to make choices).

For the record, I'm not against high-frame-rate and thought the ShowScan process was the best I've ever seen movies look. However, thus far, HFR-3D hasn't been a good combination for me. I don't like the 3D process at all and I see odd motion artifacts in HFR-3D (the Hobbit and in test material)). So I was kindof looking forward to seeing how 60fps 2D would look...it see if the technology was there and if it was cinematic or gimmick. I'll say that the 30fps 4K image of Oklahoma! in DCP didn't look right and had a bit of that "sped-up" look to it, which I don't get. It was 2D and didn't look that way on 70mm so i don't see why it should have been strange just because it was DCP unless there was something up with the transfer or perhaps the projection technology.
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 10-28-2016, 07:53 AM:
 
Oh wow. I haven't heard of any Billy Lynn HFR testing on film-tech, and no such thing is happening in germany (so far - Billy Lynn is scheduled for 2/2/2017 here).

If Sony was afraid of the reactions towards the HFR look, they could have been prepared, they knew this would happen, and no question Ang Lee would have seen that thing coming.
Jackson, surprised with reactions on the first Hobbit HFR? Yes.
But not this time. They absolutely knew there would be soapy reviews. So it must be that they received too many mixed reports from testing.

One reason certainly is that there are so few theaters around nowadays with tech-savy staff that is able to conduct such tests properly. Many owners/operators would simply say 'HFR - I paid big money for HFR two years ago, OF COURSE I can play HFR'.

I am afraid this will mean no HFR release internationally as well. Too bad, I would really have been interested to see the different versions for various non-cinemagoers reasons...

Now what does all that mean for AVATAR 2?

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-28-2016, 11:20 AM:
 
I think the 2D HFR and 3D HFR thing might be best if research and development continued in the special venue and motion simulator/thrill ride market. It's obvious there is far too great a disconnect between movie productions and commercial theaters to get the job done right for traditional movies.

quote: Harold Hallikainen

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So, what technology will get more people to the movies? Great content helps, but eventually the content ends up at home, so we need to give people a reason to see it in the theater. Is the great technology that will get more people to the movies the recliner seat? My wife and I don't really like the big bulky recliners at a local theater.

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quote: Mike Blakesley

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I don't think ANY technology will get more people to go to movies that aren't good. We need more GOOD movies, and a longer video window. Especially the longer video window.

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quote: Carsten Kurz

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Technically, this is a very complex problem. After the digital rollout has finished for most of the world, the installed equipment, even though software based and as such considered 'flexible' to a great amount, presents itself stuck at 24fps just as in 35mm times. The digital cinema revolution has become it's own deadlock.

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quote: Steve Guttag

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Yep. The only way, for now, to see it in EITHER 3D or HFR is at the two, count them two, theatres....everywhere else, it will be 2D/24.

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I think the studio is smart enough to know that HFR will hurt their business on this film AND future HFR. By choosing to release it ONLY to two theaters nationwide, that will GUARANTEE that those 2 theaters will have the highest grosses. Then they can come back to the exhibitors and shove it down their throat with "the HFR locations reported dramatically higher sales than the non-HFR locations", so get out there and replace your equipment with this fancy 120FPS stuff.

(Of course the manufacturers will push that super hard too and scare exhibitors into thinking if they don't buy the latest IMB-7000 model that they will go out of business because they are so behind on the technology. Total bs of course, but if it means another server sale, just watch 'em do it!)

And because they are that concerned with the amount of backlash, bad press and overall suckage of HFR...just to be super extra, extra, extra sure of it, the studio is delaying the release of ALL non-HFR theaters by an entire week.

It all makes sense to me. HFR video being the steaming pile of poo that it is however, just need to go away and stay gone.

If the studios REALLY want high frame rate to work, they need to make a bunch of high frame rate 70mm prints, because high frame rate on film looks really good, but something absolutely terrible happens when the frame rate is sped up on video.
 

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Posted by Jonathan Goeldner (Member # 4854) on 10-29-2016, 08:56 PM:
 
if Sony is only relegating 3D to two sceens, then they lost a ticket sale from me, I'll just wait and see how it pans out for the bluray / UHD release
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-29-2016, 08:56 PM:
 

quote: Jonathan Goeldner

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if that's true, then well... Sony lost a ticket sale, I'll just wait and see how it plans out for the bluray / UHD release

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quote: Steve Guttag

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Yep. The only way, for now, to see it in EITHER 3D or HFR is at the two, count them two, theatres....everywhere else, it will be 2D/24.

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quote: Carsten Kurz

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And Julian Pinn just confirmed on the ISDCF mailing list that there will be 120fps/3D/2k versions for Dolby Cinema.

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quote: Jonathan Goeldner

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I'll just wait and see how it pans out for the bluray / UHD release

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quote: Steve Guttag

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Nope! They, wisely, abandoned 3D in the UHD format.

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... wrong! ...

Sony actually includes the 3D disc in with the UHD editions: "Ghostbusters" and "Angry Birds"

so it's not 3D in 4K, but at least they throw the 3D in as part of the package... 3D ain't dead (yet)
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 11-02-2016, 11:39 PM:
 

 

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Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 11-03-2016, 05:44 AM:
 
Are you saying the UHD format now magically supports 3D or are you saying that there are UHD players that will support 3D in a standard Blu-ray? Because, if the the latter, then I was not wrong. I said that the UHD format does not support 3D.
 

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Posted by Leslie Hartmier (Member # 7053) on 11-03-2016, 05:55 PM:
 
According to the ITU-R specification BT.2020-2, UHD can support 3D, but not in 4K/8K.

In point of fact, 3D at 4K or 8K is specifically not 'permitted' according to the specification set out by the Blu-ray Disc Association.

That said, in 2012 Sony made a prosumer 4K/3D projector (note: it will do UHD 2D or Full HD 3D, not UHD 3D).

Also in 2012, LG made an 84" 4K 3D TV (curiously, released one day before ITU ratified the UHDTV standard), and still does make UHD 4K TVs (yes, actual 4K 3D TVs with 3D content in 4K, but you are limited to tech demos and specially made 4K 3D videos), but according to LG, their new TVs will do 4K 3D with the above mentioned videos, and their 4K 3D Blu-ray players will run EITHER 4K or 3D, which makes sense, since the Blu-ray Disc Association would not otherwise permit the player to be stamped with their certification.

All that said, I'm still saving that image, Brad.
 

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Posted by Paul H. Rayton (Member # 1817) on 11-04-2016, 01:23 PM:
 
Here's a bit of info about the theatrical installations being set up for the opening of this show in the new process, courtesy of the Hollywood Reporter: (article )

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November 03, 2016 11:09am PT by Carolyn Giardina - The Hollywood Reporter

Cinerama Dome to Install "The Whole Shebang" for 'Billy Lynn’s Long Halftime Walk'

It will be one of two U.S. theaters that can display Ang Lee’s groundbreaking movie in 4K, 3D at 120 frames per second.

Next week, efforts begin to install cutting-edge projection technology at ArcLight Cinemas’ Cinerama Dome for screenings of Ang Lee’s Billy Lynn’s Long Halftime Walk in an unprecedented 4K, 3D, at 120 frames per second per eye. The film is set to bow at the theater on Nov. 10.

This Sony Pictures production has received wide attention as the first movie to be made in this format, which Lee selected to explore the potential of digital cinema to improve 3D (which he first used on 2012's Life of Pi) and provide a wider range of tools that may be used in the service of storytelling. In the case of Billy Lynn, Lee chose to apply this technology to an emotional drama, based on Ben's Fountain's novel about a soldier who fought in the Iraq War.

To install this unique system at the Dome — the only Los Angeles theater capable of showing the film in this format — ArcLight teamed with projector maker Christie, which will provide two of its Mirage 4K laser projectors (which are not yet used in cinemas). The Dome also will use the Dolby 3D system and 7th Sense media server.

A year ago, the Dome was upgraded with Christie 6P laser projection. “Now, we’ve upped the ante with the addition of the unique Christie Mirage system to be the only West Coast theater to show Billy Lynn’s Long Halftime Walk exactly as Lee shot and cut the film, remaining faithful to his storytelling vision,” ArcLight executive vp Gretchen McCourt said Thursday in a statement.

Only a half-dozen theaters in the world will be capable of displaying the film in this format, and Christie Mirage projectors will be used for all the venues. That includes the AMC Lincoln Square in New York, which hosted the film’s world premiere last month during the New York Film Festival. It also will be offered in Taiwan’s Vieshow Cinemas in Taipei, where the film had its Taiwan premiere on Wednesday. China’s Shanghai Film Group and Bona Film Group will showcase Billy Lynn in the format at the Beijing Bona Youtang International Cineplex and Shanghai Film Art Center, starting on Sunday and Tuesday, respectively.

Multiple versions of Billy Lynn have been carefully created from the master for audiences in traditional cinemas and in various formats including today’s commonly used 24 fps. Dolby Cinema theaters will be offering the film in 2K, 3D at 120 fps with high dynamic range (the format used for last week's Los Angeles press screenings).

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Has anyone seen this at Lincoln Square? Just wondering if it's worth the trip.

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quote: Martin Brooks

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I think this process could work well for certain films (although I think I'd rather see it in 2D), although I couldn't tell you which ones.

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I am really skeptical about HFR for any kind of fiction, but I would be interested in seeing documentary filmmakers explore it. A Jacques Cousteau-style underwater 3D film would be really cool.
 

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Posted by Aron Toplitsky (Member # 6950) on 11-17-2016, 03:42 AM:
 
Just by chance I looked at the Arclight Hollywood website and saw that an Ang Lee movie with a weird title was playing in their dome theater at 120fps. I noticed it was only playing for a week, so I ran to see this on Monday for an 11:45am showing. According to what I read, this was being presented at the Arclight Dome in 4K, 3D, 120fps. Would have been great to catch one of the weekend showings where Lee was doing a Q&A.

I’ve seen all the Hobbit films in HFR and just had to compare, especially something being presented at 5 times the normal rate. The only way I can describe the experience was that I felt like I was watching a live high quality 3D documentary, especially the dialogue and war scenes. At times there were several people in a shot and some of the actors looked a little distorted. Some of the other scenes like the stadium pre half time ones, looked like I was almost watching real life but with limited vision through a window. Since my peripheral vision can still see the entire room, that just added to reality not being convincing enough. The stadium halftime scenes looked great, like I was watching a high res live concert, but like Martin said, there was a cheerleader scene that looked so amazing. I immediately thought of how an erotic film would work quite well in this format. And yes this was probably the best 3D I’ve ever seen and I usually avoid 3D.

I think this would work great for Sci-Fi films with a heavy amount of images or a concert, but even better would be a Virtual Reality head set where there is no outside distraction. Then we would be talking something truly amazing!
 

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Posted by Jonathan Goeldner (Member # 4854) on 11-18-2016, 08:05 PM:
 
even with the manager at Tysons Corner assuring me what I was watching in auditorium #12 was HFR (120fps) I know for a fact that it wasn't what I was seeing first hand
... there IS supposed to be a slightly sped up look to it like what was seen in 'The Hobbit' movies, right ??

Granted the Iraq war sequences, and, the stadium scenes are in bright light (natural and light sourced) yes, there's a inherent brightness to it, but in dark scenes or in the Lynn home there was a muddiness to the image.

All in all, on a technical level it failed to visually impress me. The sound design though certainly fooled me in thinking I was hearing a 7.1 mix - whatever the audio processor was doing, it was doing a great job channeling sound to create a faux 'behind' the listener sound field.
 

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Posted by Jonathan Goeldner (Member # 4854) on 11-19-2016, 11:13 PM:
 
so apparently the presentation I saw wasn't projected at 120fps due to some technical problems - ugh ...
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 11-22-2016, 11:33 PM:
 

quote: Daniel Schulz

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I am really skeptical about HFR for any kind of fiction, but I would be interested in seeing documentary filmmakers explore it. A Jacques Cousteau-style underwater 3D film would be really cool.

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