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Posted by Justin Hamaker (Member # 2165) on 12-04-2017, 06:20 PM:

Starting Friday December 8 Disney is removing Olaf's Frozen Adventure from Coco. Deluxe will be sending out new Version File CPLs which will begin "Coco-noOlaf".

To the best of my knowledge this is going to require created new titles to be created on LMS systems in order to map the new CPL while still using the CPLs with Olaf.

It may also require new titles on POS systems to map to those new LMS titles. At least if you want to get everything done before Thursday night. Otherwise you would have to wait until after you're off screen Thursday night to un-map Coco-wOlaf.

I'm using the Hollywood Software (Cinedigm) TCC software. Perhaps other management software has easier methods for handling this.

Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 12-05-2017, 12:23 PM:

In Germany, Olaf and Coco are separate CPLs. Instead of removing Olaf, Disney now produced an extra title slide to be played before both to announce Olaf is a leading short, and that Coco follows.

- Carsten

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 12-05-2017, 01:09 PM:

I wish they'd have done that here, it would have prevented a lot of confusion!

Posted by Frank Cox (Member # 6258) on 12-05-2017, 01:51 PM:

What's the reasoning behind taking the short off of the movie after a certain date? Just to create a sense of urgency so people must see it before X if they don't want to miss that part?

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 12-05-2017, 01:56 PM:

Our booker told me they are going to play the Olaf thing on the Disney Channel starting this Sunday.

Posted by Daniel Schulz (Member # 1881) on 12-05-2017, 04:08 PM:

quote: Frank Cox
What's the reasoning behind taking the short off of the movie after a certain date? Just to create a sense of urgency so people must see it before X if they don't want to miss that part?

Disney claims this was the plan all along, but I've heard anecdotally it's because so many cinemas have been complaining. The short runs 20 minutes, and so a lot of people expecting to see Coco are coming out of the auditorium to complain that the wrong movie is showing!

Posted by Justin Hamaker (Member # 2165) on 12-05-2017, 04:17 PM:

Daniel, I can confirm this was the plan all along. Before Coco even opened were were told the short would only play for the first 2 weeks or so.

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 12-05-2017, 05:15 PM:

So has Disney issued a revised Credit Offset time sheet or is everyone just going to have to use math?

Posted by Justin Hamaker (Member # 2165) on 12-05-2017, 05:24 PM:

I haven't received a new ingest letter, but the new credit offset is 1:36:57.

The new CPLs were delivered via download. When you get the email with the new keys their will be a download link for the Supplemental Package. Download this, unzip the folder to a USB and then ingest.

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 12-05-2017, 06:13 PM:

Disney sent out a letter about it, encouraging cinemas to schedule an extra Coco show per day due to the new shorter run time. So I could see where the rumor would start that they were getting complaints about it.

But, I can also confirm that dropping Olaf was the plan all along...our booker told me about it the Monday before Coco opened.

Posted by Jonathan Goeldner (Member # 4854) on 12-06-2017, 12:16 PM:

oh ugh was that Olaf short painful - I wanted to repeatedly bang my head on a wall after seeing that.

Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 12-09-2017, 07:08 PM:

Pixar manages, for once, to release a movie that's on-par with what they did until about 2010 and then Disney screws up the release by replacing the legendary short with a blatant 20 minute commercial.

Disney really suffers from Frozen-overload, signs of mental permafrost are setting in. Disney, please: Let it go, LET IT GOOOO...

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 12-10-2017, 12:56 AM:

If you saw the lines at the Frozen attraction and the "meet'n'greet" for Elsa and Anna at Disney World, you would understand why they keep hangin' on.

(The attraction IS pretty good, too.)

Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 12-10-2017, 03:53 AM:

Well, yes, I've seen the revamped Maelstrom attraction in Epcot and the animatronics and the integration with the projections and screens are pretty awesome. Les awesome is the queue... Then again, it's still kind of newish and everything new at Disney seems to attract multi-hour queues.

And I'm pretty much aware about the endless queues for those meet and greets with Elsa (& Friends). Still, what a waste of your day at a Disney park. [Wink]

But then there also is...

Frozen Live at the Hyperion (DCA Anaheim)
Frozen Sing Along (DHS Orlando and DLP Paris)
Mickey and the Magician f.t. Frozen (WDS Paris)*
Illuminations f.t. Frozen (DLP Paris)
Frozen Holiday Wish Castle Lightning (MK Orlando)
...

Ah... and they're building a brand new Frozen land over in Tokyo.

So, the permafrost isn't just a local incident, it's global. I understand that Disney likes to exploit their multi-billion dollar franchises, but they seem to fall into common the trap of over-milking it, not just with Frozen.

I prefer Disney the OLD "Apple way"... Create desire for something, don't show the back of your tongue and when you deliver, deliver something nobody else does. Don't over-indulge people in it, or they're either getting spoiled or fed up with it.

* Probably the best LIVE version yet of Let it GOOOOOOOO....

Posted by Lyle Romer (Member # 1266) on 12-10-2017, 12:43 PM:

quote: Mike Blakesley
If you saw the lines at the Frozen attraction and the "meet'n'greet" for Elsa and Anna at Disney World, you would understand why they keep hangin' on.

Part of the reason for the long lines at Frozenstrom (which is a pretty good attraction and an improvement on Maelstrom) is that the ride has incredibly low capacity. Maelstrom used to get 45 minute long lines and that was without an insanely popular IP attached to it.

Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 12-10-2017, 03:26 PM:

Now, while 'Olaf' did not cause much confusion in germany (aside from the fact that it adds another 20min to 'Coco'), 'Olaf' will actually be shown on german free tv the night before christmas eve, immediately following a broadcast of 'Frozen'.

- Carsten

Posted by Michael Brown (Member # 890) on 12-11-2017, 07:28 PM:

In the UK multiplexes we showed "Olafs" along with a re-issue of Frozen this last two weekends. It did steady business early in the afternoon.

Posted by Pietro Clarici (Member # 4937) on 12-13-2017, 01:04 PM:

Here in Italy Disney seems to sticking to their original decision: Coco will be released on Dec 28 with Olaf, mainly because they are afraid that the Pixar movie by itself won't be attractive enough to younger audiences. They think they'll "trick" them by exploiting the Frozen franchise. I asked, they said this isn't going to change even if they get audience complaints.

We'll see how it pans out. What I personally don't get is why they decided to miss Christmas: it's almost like they didn't want to clash with Ferdinand (Fox, Dec 21) right before the buyout.

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 12-13-2017, 07:09 PM:

Have there actually been any "complaints?" Or is it just confusion?

I think the word-of-mouth on Coco was so good that the Frozen thing was pretty unnecessary. I wish they'd have left it off and put a regular 6-minute short in there instead.