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Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 09-25-2000, 12:32 PM:
6 reels
9,539 feet/106 mins
SR/SR-D
Ratio???
'House of Mirth' trailer attached to my print, but I guess this probably won't apply to the US.Not sure about the aspect ratio here. Was a BBC production and looks like it was framed for 16:9 w/s TV. The last such film I had, REGENERATION, said 1-66 on the leaders. I showed BILLY ELLIOT for a preview in 1-66 also (we don't have 16:9/1-75 lenses and plates here) and it looked as it should to me. I don't think it could have been shown in 1-85 without the tops of heads being chopped off. But there's no indication of the intended ratio on the cans or leaders - they just say 'flat'. The printer matte doesn't give a hint either - some shots are Academy, others full height.
Posted by Steven Gorsky (Member # 603) on 09-25-2000, 08:54 PM:
It is my understanding that if it is labeled Flat, that the ratio is 1.85 to 1, and it is normal for some of the picture to be cut off.Steven Gorsky
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Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 09-26-2000, 07:36 PM:
If it's Hollywood, then flat=1:1.85, but that's not always the case in Britain/Europe. The French use 1:1.66 almost exclusively (apart from 'scope films); the rest of Europe is about half and half. What made me suspicious about this one is that BBC films have been 1:1.66 (and marked on the negatives of the leaders as such) in the past, and this one bore all the hallmarks without actually saying so.Incidentally, the former Soviet Union countries are still releasing films in Academy...
Posted by Steven Gorsky (Member # 603) on 09-26-2000, 08:37 PM:
Your right, I forgot that in other countries there are different ratios. I should have remembered that because one of the other projectionists where I work used to work in a museum that would show films from all over the globe, and he constantly talks about the different ratios and frame rates.Steven Gorsky
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Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 09-28-2000, 05:40 PM:
It would make life SO much easier if labs could mark the film-maker's intended ratio on leaders rather than leaving us to hold bits of film up to the light and guess... Sometimes I 'phone distributors and even they don't know.I presume the director of photography who shot a film has some sort of preference as to what ratio it should be shown in - but it seems to be beyond the industry's finest technical brains to convey this information to the projectionist in many cases...
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 09-29-2000, 07:00 AM:
Standards SMPTE 55 and SMPTE 301 for leaders specify an area for "Aspect Ratio" to be written in, so it is printed onto the head and tail leader of every release print. It is the responsibility of whoever attached the leaders to the printing negative to write in this information (it may not always be the lab).------------------
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Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 10-02-2000, 03:16 PM:
In my experience, they never do...