Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE: The Robe (1953) (request)

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Posted by John Lasher (Member # 968) on 01-26-2003, 06:42 PM:

Scope (first official scope release)
Mono
143 mins.

Posted by Michael Brown (Member # 890) on 01-28-2003, 11:27 AM:

Is it 2.55:1 then?

Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 01-28-2003, 12:11 PM:

Only the mag-only prints are 2.55:1. The mag/opt and optical ones will be 2.35:1.

-Aaron

Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 01-28-2003, 12:15 PM:

If your 35mm print has CS-perforations and ONLY magnetic stripes, the aspect ratio is 2.55:1, which was the original aspect ratio of the mag-striped CinemaScope prints. Prints with an optical track and KS-perforations would be shown 2.35:1 or 2.39:1, recognizing the some image width will be cropped in a contact print. I summarized the history of the "scope" image area for Marty Hart's American Widescreen Museum:

http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/apertures.htm

From 1957 through today, there have been a number of small changes to the anamorphic projector aperture recommended standards. John P. Pytlak of Eastman Kodak dug through countless back issues of the SMPTE Journal in order to provide the following chronology of the changes to the standards:

The March 1957 SMPTE Journal has PH22.104-1957, the standard for 2.55:1 anamorphic (no optical track), with an aperture size of 0.912 X 0.715 inches. Notice of withdrawal of this standard was in the January 1964 Journal.

The December 1957 SMPTE Journal has PH22.106-1957 for 2.35:1 anamorphic, with an aperture of 0.839 X 0.715 inches. It was unchanged in the September 1964 Journal. The November 1965 SMPTE Journal published PH22.106-1965 still with the 0.839 X 0.715 aperture size.

In the September 1970 SMPTE Journal, a new draft of PH22.106 was proposed, with an aperture size of 0.838 X 0.700 inches, to minimize the flashes at splices. This was republished as standard PH22.106-1971 in the October 1971 issue.

In the June 1976 SMPTE Journal, the two (flat and scope) projectable image area standards (PH22.58 and PH22.106) were consolidated into one standard and renamed PH22.195. The publication of PH22.195-1984 in the October 1984 Journal still had the scope area as 0.700 X 0.838 inches.

The June 1992 SMPTE Journal published a proposed revision, with a scope area of 0.690 X 0.825 inches. In August 1993, the standard was published as SMPTE 195-1993, with the current area of 0.690 X 0.825 inches. So August 1993 is when the two formats became the same width of 0.825 inches.

John P. Pytlak

Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 01-28-2003, 02:21 PM:

I am sure some early dye transfer prints of "THE ROBE" with the original four track mag still exist and was wondering how the sound is. I used to collect prerecorded open reel tapes when I was a young man and found after many years, some of the magnetic oxide coating would drop out and the sound quality was not as good as when the tape was new.

-Claude

Posted by Darren Briggs (Member # 1071) on 01-31-2003, 04:07 PM:

I would class it as 2.55:1 Mag, as thats the format it was intended for, but as above other variations of sound formats were released altering the picture ratio.

Bradford Film Festival have a print of 'The Robe' to screen, not sure if its full 4 track mag format though. Think Dick form there is in Canada at IMAX so can't ask him.