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Posted by Mathew Molloy (Member # 666) on 11-20-2005, 11:45 PM:
Current distributer anyone?
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 11-21-2005, 05:15 AM:
"Yellow Submarine"
flat-full frame (1.37/1)
5 reels
Prints by DeLuxe
90 minutes
mono sound
Originally released in the US by United Artists in 1969
Now available on DVD by MGM video.
Posted by Jonathan M. Crist (Member # 413) on 11-21-2005, 02:55 PM:
There are re-issue prints from about 1999 (I believe) that are Dolby Digital and DTS. Can't remember who the distributor was.
Posted by John Hazelton (Member # 898) on 11-30-2005, 10:31 PM:
Yellow Submarine was distributed by United Artists, who distributed all of the Beatles films. It was not framed to be shown 1.37, but rather 1.66. It plays okay at 1.85, though.
The 1999 re-issue had a remixed 5.1 audio track, but only in DTS. No other digital format was used for this re-issue. The analog track was Dolby A compatible.
Original US running time was 85 minutes, but the reissue added about 5 minutes of footage that was cut after the premiere.
I believe UA is still the distributor.
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 11-30-2005, 11:09 PM:
Two clips below from the original '69 release...
..I ran "YS" in 1970 and these clips above are from that print..and this is where I drew my conclusion of the 1.37/1 frame topic.
Original clips have gone to red, I retouched these scenes by adding in the cyan and reducing magenta and adding a touch of green...
If a discussion is needed to continue talking about this release, let's head on over to the "Afterlife" forum and create one here about this, for this can be an interesting subject to talk about. (THX)
-Monte
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 12-02-2005, 03:28 PM:
Pretty good color correction on 35 year old prints made before Kodak introduced "low fade" dyes in color print film in the early 1980's.
Posted by John Hazelton (Member # 898) on 12-04-2005, 09:25 PM:
Good idea, Monte. I've continued the topic on the Afterlife Forum under the subject "Yellow Submarine Aspect Ratio."
Posted by Mathew Molloy (Member # 666) on 12-07-2005, 11:42 PM:
The Story So Far...
Prior to Sony's ownership of the MGM library I was told by MGM that they no longer have rights to Yellow Submarine. So I did a bit of research without any luck. Recently I made another call, this time to Sony, asking if they knew who had the rights to this. I'm told they share rights with another party who aren't too keen on this film ever seeing the light of day again.
Funny, I've found two theatres via google who have shown Yellow Submarine this past year - neither of which will tell me who they got the rights from to show the "film" - er, I should say movie as I doubt it was film they were showing.
I made it clear we'd pull in a good amount of money showing Y.S. here and I hope that will light a fire under the butts of the folks who share the rights.
Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 01-22-2008, 08:31 AM:
It has been 775 days since the last post.
Posted by Paul Gordon (Member # 3320) on 01-22-2008, 08:31 AM:
Anyone played this in the last year or so? or Hard Days night for that matter.
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 05-08-2008, 11:32 PM:
Have we figured out the correct aspect ratio for this yet? I ran one reel and it looks fine at Academy. IMDB says that it's 1.66. And a projectionist whom I trust who has run this for many midnight shows insists that it is 1.85. Who is right?
Posted by Paul Gordon (Member # 3320) on 05-09-2008, 07:14 AM:
Who is the distributor for Yellow Sub anyway?
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 05-09-2008, 08:44 AM:
No idea. It's a private screening.
edit: it looks good at 1.85 and all titles are safe for 1.85
[ 05-10-2008, 03:52 AM: Message edited by: Scott Norwood ]
Posted by Jack Theakston (Member # 4484) on 05-11-2008, 06:21 AM:
Don't ever rely on IMDb for projection information such as aspect ratios. It is incredibly incorrect.
Posted by John Hazelton (Member # 898) on 05-13-2008, 11:05 PM:
I agree with Jack that IMDb is not a reliable source for technical information about movies.
Still, I stand by my contention that the intended aspect ratio for "Yellow Submarine" is 1.66. When it was re-released in 1999, some of the cans carried a label from the distributor that stated "Original Ratio: 1.66, Recommended Ratio: 1.85"
I think the 1.85 note was the distributor's recognition that no current multiplex would be equipped to run 1.66. I trust the information on that label, because it fits what looks best during projection.
If you watch the movie 1.37, there's way too much head room in most scenes, and the composition feels off. It's definitely correct at 1.66. At 1.85, it's tight, but plays okay.
You can see from Monte's frames that the top image is framed for wide screen, and the bottom one looks okay wide screen as well. Just because there's image in the entire frame doesn't mean it was meant to be projected, even in an animated work. I've seen plenty of cartoons that were unquestionably wide screen, but had a full-frame image.
Posted by Jack Theakston (Member # 4484) on 05-15-2008, 12:25 AM:
In 1969, not only were most British cinemas already starting to lean towards the 1.85 aspect ratio, but most any film that had an "American audience," as the case may be was composed for 1.85, and simply protected for lesser ratios.
If you watch YELLOW SUBMARINE Academy, you'll notice there are portions of the image in some shots where they never finished painting the background. Pretty clear indication right there that an Academy ratio is incorrect.
I've never run a print of YS in 35mm, so I can't comment on the AR, but a good rule of thumb is to check how the opening credits are blocked, and work from there. Medium shots are always a give-away. Don't be fooled by "oddly framed" shots like tight close-ups.