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Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 09-21-2001, 09:40 PM:
 
French title: (Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain)
http://www.amelie-lefilm.com/english/intro.htm

Hi all

This isn't a film review per se but rather a request to ask if anyone has seen this film and what did they think of it?

This is another film by Jean-Pierre Jeunet who with Marc Caro, made Delicatessan and City of Lost Children.

In France this film was watched by 7 Million French theatre goers in the first 10 weeks. It is number 35 on the highest openers list for France
http://www.moviemarshal.com/openfran.html

The following site has a number of stills from the film.
http://bzine.bscene.com.au/entertainment/reviews/a/ameliefrommontmartre.html

In Australia we will not see this film until December 26. I would be grateful to hear a review from someone who has been able to see teh film overseas. It looks like a must see movie.

cheers Peter


 


Posted by Michael Barry (Member # 237) on 09-22-2001, 11:00 AM:
 
Hi Peter,

I made a start on making up a print of 'Amelie' (as it came labelled) just a few hours ago. It is for a manager's screening on Monday.

Although I am a huge fan of French cinema, I am not entirely wrapped in Jeunet et Caro. I am much more enthusiastic about the upcoming releases, 'The Closet' and especially, 'The Taste of Others'. My favourite director in the world is quite possibly Eric Rohmer - it's a pity that his films are hardly released here. His recent three-part film 'Rendezvous in Paris' was extremely delightful and as always, a little sad and poignant. I had the pleasure of running this a couple of years ago as part of a season of recent French cinema (not the more heavily publicised annual French film festival). Also part of this season was a 30-minute short film by Phillipe Harel called 'Une Visite'. It's easily the best short film I have ever seen.

Getting a bit off-topic, I know.
I will probably not be able to see it on Monday, but will let you know here if I do make it.
 


Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 09-22-2001, 04:23 PM:
 
I saw Amelie at the Telluride Film Festival, Twice. I enjoyed it and thought it was the best film of the festival. We already have it booked to open at the Rialto this December for Christmas.
 
Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 09-23-2001, 01:08 AM:
 
Thanks Mike and Ian

I have already seen The Closet (Le Placard) at Melbourne's French film Festival earlier this year. It is a great film (see review elsewhere). it would be great if it took off in the same way that 'La Cage Aux Folles' did. <Rant mode on> Unfortunately I get very frustrated at how difficult it is to see many of the latest French Films here in Melbourne either on video or on the big screen.

For example it is nigh on impossible to find a copy of 'Taxi' at present. The Alliance Francaise has just got a copy of Taxi 2 on video but I want to see the original first. <Rant mode off>

Anyway getting back to the topic.

Here in Melbourne is anyone having a special preview screening of 'Amelie'? I and a few french student friends would be interested to see the film. If anyone is having a special or preview screening here in Melbourne please drop me a line at pberrett@optushome.com.au

Most people I have talked to have loved Jeunet and Caro's work. I haven't as yet seen Alien Resurrection though. It would be interesting to see whether the film was stylistically like the earlier Alien films or more like Jeunet & Caro's earlier films.

cheers Peter



 


Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 09-30-2001, 01:15 AM:
 
Amelie went over very well at the screening Michael refers to...(except for the three out of frame splices between the reels Michael built) and the management is trying hard to book it.

John.

PS: That crap about the out of frame splices was, by definition...crap.

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Marge: No.
Bart: No.
Patty: No.
Ned: No.
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Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 09-30-2001, 07:24 AM:
 
What was your own opinion of the film John? What rating would you give it?

I'd be interested to hear your comments about how well or otherwise Australian audiences relate to French and other foreign films. Perhaps many people just don't like subtitles. If so that is a shame.

cheers Peter


 


Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 10-06-2001, 02:49 AM:
 
For those interested...

Here is the new American site for Amelie

http://www.amelie-themovie.com/

There is an English language trailer on site.

cheers Peter


 


Posted by Aldo Baez (Member # 790) on 10-06-2001, 04:51 AM:
 
I want to catch this one but no theatres are showing it around here. (And I'm in L.A.) or has it been released yet in the States?
 
Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 10-06-2001, 06:12 AM:
 
I understand that it is to be released in the US in November and in Australia on December 26.

cheers Peter
 


Posted by Aldo Baez (Member # 790) on 11-04-2001, 03:02 AM:
 
It was opened yesterday here in L.A. in one theatre in west L.A. I just got back from the 10 show. One of the most entertaining movies I have watched. It was great, going back again during the week to see it again. I rarely buy dvd's but I'll look foward to this one when it comes out. Probably the best movie I've seen in a long time.
 
Posted by Joe Beres (Member # 678) on 11-04-2001, 10:19 AM:
 
I am quite jealous of all of you that have had the chance to see this film. Jean Jeunet is a favorite of mine. I tried to get tickets for a screening in Chicago that he was going to be at, but I found out about the screening much too late. It'll probably be a while before it makes its way to Madison, WI.
 
Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 4594) on 11-05-2001, 01:49 AM:
 
We are getting this film next week. Although I have not seen it yet my boss did and he enjoyed it very much.
 
Posted by Joe Beres (Member # 678) on 11-11-2001, 09:51 PM:
 
I went to Milwaukee to see some friends and family and catch Amelie. What a great film. I think that even those normally opposed to the "romantic comedy" genre would really enjoy this one. Great cinematography, and wonderfully uses of digital effects. Audrey Tatou was wonderful. I will probably see it again if it makes its way to Madison.
 
Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 11-21-2001, 06:36 PM:
 
We opened Amelie this weekend and made $9,000 this weekend.
 
Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 11-23-2001, 03:03 AM:
 
$9000 - The Price is Right! (apologies to Ian for the bad pun).

Could 'Amelie' be this decade's 'La Cage Aux Folles'?

cheers Peter



 


Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 4594) on 11-25-2001, 03:37 AM:
 
We have this film playing on 2 of our 7 screens and every show is out-selling the rest of them. I haven't gotten a chance to see it yet but everyone that comes out seems to have enjoyed it very much.
 
Posted by Brad Haven (Member # 954) on 11-25-2001, 06:08 AM:
 
We had a preview screening last week, invites to the media/arts community.
I saw and loved the first half but a women had a psychotic flip half way through, ran out and smashed our foyer window then tried to run back into the cinema, she got half way in the door of the theatre before i tackled her to the ground and had to carry her out of the theatre, kicking and screaming!.
So, i missed the second half. At the end of the film they all came out and said they loved the film and of course they ALL asked what happened?. Everyone in west. oz is buzzing about the film, i cant wait until it opens.
 
Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 11-26-2001, 01:44 AM:
 
Rachel

Are the prints you are showing dubbed or subtitled?

cheers Peter

 


Posted by Pete Naples (Member # 761) on 11-26-2001, 10:34 AM:
 
This lovely wee film opened here some weeks ago, and I actually saw it last night. Myself and 'er indoors thoroughly enjoyed it. There is a long tradition of European cinema in Edinburgh, long may it continue!
 
Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 12-07-2001, 09:21 PM:
 
Attendance Kino Cinema Melbourne Thursday 6 December (Special Preview screening for members of the Alliance Francaise de Melbourne)

Hi all

This film is magical, funny, meaningful, romantic and insightful but the two words that best describe it are...

"Best Picture"

This was not just my opinion. At the end of the film the audience applauded which I think is a measure of a truly great film.

Enough said. If you haven't seen this film yet go see it with your loved one this Christmas.

Verdict (out of 10 stars): 9

cheers Peter



 


Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 12-10-2001, 07:18 PM:
 
Whilst surfing the Internet I came across the following discussion about 'Amelie'.
http://www.cinematographer.com/article/mainv/0,7220,31769,00.html

Is seems that I am not the only one who thinks it could win best picture.

Curiously enough it may find itself up against 'Moulin Rouge' - another film set in Paris.

I wonder whether it is possible for a foreign film to win 'Best Picture'?

cheers Peter


ps I just hope that Hollywood doesn't try to do a remake with Julia Roberts and Richard Gere

Nooooooooooooooooooooo....


 


Posted by Jack Johnston (Member # 887) on 12-21-2001, 12:58 PM:
 
A delightful little film made for a very enjoyable evening out. Several favorite scenes but I guess my #1 is when she sits atop a roof and unplugs the TV antenna at crucial times in a soccer match ... and the globe trotting garden gnome ... and generating a long lost letter to a lover ... don't forget the on-going gag about finding pictures of a guy at several locations - I think you all get it and if you don't go see it or see it again.
 
Posted by Aldo Baez (Member # 790) on 12-27-2001, 08:52 PM:
 
Just saw this for the third time, if this doesn't win for best cinematography nothing will.
 
Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 12-27-2001, 10:36 PM:
 
We saw this a while back, and my impression was that it was a cute film with an actress that will have a great career. I didn't think it was exceptional otherwise. The traveling gnome stories have been around for a while, and some of the farce, such as the portrayal of the shopkeeper and his assistant, was heavyhanded.

There was one scene which was full of symbolic meaning that I really liked. <spoiler - if you haven't seen the film and want to see it fresh, stop here>

The gnome was cemented above the wife's grave, and the wife hated the gnome. This can be seen as a humorous take on the husband getting in the last licks (passive-agressive) or the gnome can be seen as reresenting his playful and explorative spirit, in which case the wife was suppressing him (in symbol) by hating the gnome and not allowing him to display it. The placement of it over her ashes could also be seen as a touching attempt to integrate two things the husband loved, or as his spirit watching over and guarding his wife's ashes.

The fact that the gnome had it's feet cemented in position indicated his own fixedness. Amelie's chipping away the cement and sending the gnome then becomes a freeing of the spirit symbol and symbolic of her own attempts to chip away at people's restrictions and free their spirits.

The multi-level symbolism of that segment was worthy. I just didn't see the rest of the movie matching up to the promise of that one scene.

 


Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 12-29-2001, 07:02 AM:
 

I don't know that I agree with Jerry. To truly understand the deeper, often hidden, meaning in these films it is necessary to consider the broader context in which the French find themselves.

Looking back on the Garden Gnome incident, it is clear that the gnome has a deeper symbolic meaning in that it represents a poorly understood yearning of all French men and women to hop on a plane, travel overseas to Vegas and see a Jerry Lewis show. By contrast, Amelie's father is representative of Gallic pride not wishing to admit that the French actually like anything American. Her father is the typical French citizen, torn between their country and their love of Jerry Lewis.

But Jeunet studies this conflict in a fascinating and meaningful way, eventually concluding that seeing Jerry Lewis live is more important that Gallic pride, as represented by Amelie's father packing his bags to travel overseas.

The cementing of the Garden Gnome on the wife's grave also has deeper meaning in that it represents that conflict between two rising stars of cinematic comedy namely Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis. The cementing of the gnome can be regarded as the cementing into place in one's mind that Jerry Lewis was a superior comedian to Dean Martin.

But then again you can read too much into films.

cheers Peter

 


Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 12-29-2001, 11:42 AM:
 
Peter, I like your review better than the film!

My wife has her PhD in pyschology (it comes in handy for her understanding my craziness sometimes ) and we often watch films half-looking for hidden Jungian meanings and archetypes. In our experience, most of the great films that stand the test of time do have deeper meanings.

For instance, the classic scene of the mongrel dog licking his balls during the title sequence of "Stunt Man" has great psychological relevance. It also shows the importance of proper hygene, which was sadly lacking in Amelie. I guess that was to be expected though, since Gallic pride (and lack of certain receptors in the nose) prevents any reference to washing under the arms or deodorants. In any event, I didn't see a single scene where Amelie washed her hands after perusing trashed pictures found under photo booths. Nasty!

I neglected to mention that the cementing of the Garden Gnome on the wife's grave also has another alternate deeper meaning in that it represents the proverbial "cement overshoes" of gangster movies. According to this interpretation, there was a missing side-plot where the little gnome had done something to upset the local gnomafia, and this was a warning to other gnomes in the area to watch their step. Rumor has it that there may be a spin-off film, "The Gnomefather," with a supporting cast of lawn jockeys and garden gazing balls.

FWIW, The Dean Martin character was popular as a role model for the French, who drink a LOT of wine. It takes training and skill to appear both drunk and sober at the same time. Dean showed that the Americans once again had taken the lead over the stiff laced Europeans. (Or was it the laced European stiffs?) We all need to emulate this great star.

Why the French liked Joey Levitch is one of the great unsolved mysteries. A book was even written about their fascination with the showbiz oddities such as Jerry. Had he been born in France, he would have been cheerfully sent to the concentration camps instead of becoming a hero. Such are the vagaries of comedy in France, the nation that mechanized execution because the cost of all the executioners was killing them.


 


Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 12-29-2001, 07:55 PM:
 
Thanks Jerry

I think that psychology is a bit like body language. It is too easy to misinterpret certain actions as having a given meaning when in fact the action occurred for entirely different reasons. Besides I just like to relax and enjoy the film.

You also wrote:

"I neglected to mention that the cementing of the Garden Gnome on the wife's grave also has another alternate deeper meaning in that it represents the proverbial "cement overshoes" of gangster movies. According to this interpretation, there was a missing side-plot where the little gnome had done something to upset the local gnomafia, and this was a warning to other gnomes in the area to watch their step. Rumor has it that there may be a spin-off film, "The Gnomefather," with a supporting cast of lawn jockeys and garden gazing balls."

My bet is that Danny De Vito would play the lead. Come to think of it "The Gnomefather" featuring a mafia of gnomes has potential as a comedy film synopsis. I'm sure Pixar could do something with this concept.

cheers Peter

 


Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 12-29-2001, 08:11 PM:
 
Amelie is doing good business in Australia it seems.

http://www.movieguide.com.au/boxoffice.htm

It is no Harry Potter but it is still a good effort for a foreign film.

How is Amelie performing in the USA? Has it been popular there?

cheers Peter


 


Posted by Brad Haven (Member # 954) on 01-11-2002, 06:30 AM:
 
amelie is still going great after 3 week's at both our luna location's, the leederville location heading the box office list for amelie in oz.
i'm personally getting a little sick of it, due to constant cinema checks, i've seen too much!!
collingnon, down the john!!
all the patron's love it!
 
Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 01-30-2002, 05:49 AM:
 

Interestingly Hoyts have released this film now at several of their locations in Victoria thus making the film available at a greater number of locations. It is still not quite mainstream however.

The film is currently #8 at the Box Office here in Australia and has thus far pulled in $2.4 million from a limited number of screens and with limited publicity.

Curiously my boss went to see the film and didn't like it which is surprising given that he likes seeing foreign films. On the other hand he loved "Le Placard" to the point that he went back to see it a second time. I suspect I shall be doing the same shortly for both films.

cheers Peter


 


Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 4594) on 01-30-2002, 01:55 PM:
 
Sorry Peter,

You asked me way back if our prints were subtitled or dubbed. They were both subtitled. Actually after all this time we are still running one of our prints 3 times a day. NOT BAD!
 


Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 01-31-2002, 01:50 AM:
 
Thanks Rachel

The reason I asked was I was curious to see whether American audiences prefer subtitled foreign films or whether they prefer dubbed films, as the French do.

cheers Peter

 


Posted by Joe Beres (Member # 678) on 01-31-2002, 09:19 AM:
 
Peter,
I think the average suburban filmgoer avoids most foreign films altogether. Those that appreciate foreign films here seem to have respect for the original language and performance. Both those things being said, dubbed films rarely show up in the states, at least not in the art house circuit that shows the vast majority of foreign film. For instance, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, the highest grossing foreign language film in the US, (as far as I know) never was dubbed into English. Life is Beautiful, the second highest grosser, was eventually released in a dubbed version, but only at the very tail end of its run.
 
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 01-31-2002, 10:20 AM:
 
Subtitles are much better. I want to hear the actors speaking in their original voices with all the nuances and inflections intact. The subset of US moviegoers who are into foreign film and art house presentation understand this. Crouching Tiger is proof that even a more mainstream US audience will accept subtitles if the supporting material is compelling enough.

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Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 01-31-2002, 08:00 PM:
 
Thanks Gentlemen

I agree entirely with your comments. I much prefer subtitling. Unfortunately I have seen numerous foreign comedies destroyed by dubbing. The film 'Les Ripoux' comes to mind as an example. This story about two corrupt cops was dubbed into English on the VHS video I saw. Like many dubbed French Comedies one or two "dubbers" perform the majority of the voices in the film. This means that the voices are alternatively artificial, contrived, exaggerated or otherwise false. Such dubbing spoils the illusion of reality that the film is endeavouring to project.

I understand that in some countries dubbing has been refined to high standards (Italy?) however this has generally not been my experience of films dubbed into English. I am not anti-dubbing per se - consider the situation of those people who cannot read but would otherwise want to watch a foreign film. So there is a place for dubbing but in general no dubbing is better than bad dubbing.

Curiously the following article sheds some light on the dubbing/subtitling debate.
http://cloud.prohosting.com/ruhneb/board/34.html

I hope they never dub Amelie.

cheers Peter


 


Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 02-01-2002, 04:58 AM:
 
Whilst hunting around the Internet I came across some interesting web pages in relation to Amelie.

Firstly Amelie " ...has become the most successful foreign film shown in Australia, eclipsing the opening week box-office record previously held by this year's Oscar winner, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon."
http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,3534099%255E10431,00.html

Secondly, thanks mainly to an increase in the number of screens showing Amelie, the film has now taken in excess of $4m here in Australia. It is also currently taking in excess of $14,000 per screen. On a per screen basis that makes it the #2 film in Australia currently.
http://www.cinefile.com.au/News_Bums_on_seats_New.asp

cheers Peter


 


Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 02-06-2002, 03:13 PM:
 
Amelie has now surpassed O Brother Where Art Thou? to become the #1 money earner here at the Rialto Cinemas Lakeside.

We have had the film 13 weeks and we have grossed $107,000 so far. We aren't done yet.
 


Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 02-07-2002, 06:36 AM:
 
Academy Awards coming up.

Can a foreign film win Best Picture?

cheers Peter
 


Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 02-07-2002, 10:59 AM:
 
Peter asked: "Can a foreign film win Best Picture?"

Yes!!! Last year, "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" and "Chocolat" were two of the five nominees for Best Picture.

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Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 02-07-2002, 11:14 AM:
 
John P: Chocolat was not a foreign-language picture. Miramax paid big buck$ for that movie's Oscar nominations the way Enron paid big buck$ to right-wing pundits.
 
Posted by Joe Beres (Member # 678) on 02-07-2002, 12:10 PM:
 
Peter, as John said, it can, but it won't. At least that's my opinion. More often than not, the best picture award has nothing to do with the best picture.
 
Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 02-07-2002, 05:07 PM:
 
True... Pulp Fiction, Raiders Of The Lost Ark and E.T. are all testaments to that theory.

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Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 02-08-2002, 05:58 AM:
 

Hi again

I looked at the oscars site.

As far as I can see a foreign film has never won Best Picture yet.

cheers peter


 


Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 02-12-2002, 05:19 PM:
 
Hello again

Amelie has been nominated for 5 academy awards. A fine effort for a foreign film.

- Best Cinematography
- Best Foreign Film
- Best Art Direction
- Best Writing (Original Screenplay)
- Best Sound

cheers Peter
 


Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 03-21-2002, 05:26 PM:
 
Amelie is a strong, adventurous woman. Why can't American movies have someone like her? That's why Audrey Tautou didn't get a Best Actress nomination. The incessant push by Miramax for awards didn't help.

Moviegoers in Central New Jersey love Amelie. I saw it Thanksgiving weekend at the AMC Hamilton and it sold out a Saturday matinee (that theater ran it only 5 weeks because of Xmas product). The 6-screen arthouse in Rocky Hill has had Amelie for 18 weeks going on 19 -- a longer run than the Paris Theatre in NYC. The Reading Cinemas in Manville picks up Amelie for an Oscar Weekend double-up (with In the Bedroom).
 


Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 03-21-2002, 05:32 PM:
 
The Bijou Art Cinemas here in Eugene have been running this for many many weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if this is their longest engagement ever.

 




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