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Posted by Josh Kirkhart (Member # 1046) on 08-02-2002, 05:50 AM:
It's Hitchcock on crack!!!!!!!!I enjoyed it even when I was straining my eyes searching the screen for little movements or hints. This one had me hooked just on the opening credits, loved them, and then they are carried thru the end credits, just cool. The score is awesome, even when its not present, you feel it. Very clear and sharp print.
Anyway, its one of the few, very few I would pay evening price for if I had to.
Posted by Michael Gonzalez (Member # 593) on 08-02-2002, 10:00 AM:
I loved it too. I was also scanning the backgrounds to see if I could spot something like a head sticking out of the cornfield or something (just the occasional boom mic in the frame). I cannot believe that the USA Today only gave it 2 1/2 stars. I was really into the story and the camera work and cinematography but to be honest, I felt that Mel's performance was a bit lacking as I never really connected with his character I concede that that could be the director's intention where the drama and suspence comes more from putting yourselves in the characters place that actually caring about the characters themselves.
Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 08-02-2002, 03:10 PM:
I didnt see any boom mikes so your film might have been out of frame.SPOILERS AHEAD
As far as the movie goes, I left feeling kind of empty and let down.
All the buildup didnt amount to much and there was no real suprise at the end other than how to kill aliens.
I thought it was really good up until the end.
I did, however, have the same disappointed feeling about UNBREAKABLE but ended up liking the film eventually.
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Posted by Mike Schindler (Member # 1309) on 08-02-2002, 03:45 PM:
This movie started off terribly. The opening sequence felt rushed and out of place, and the next half hour seemed to last for an hour and a half. But then...Shyamalan seems to have this thing going where his movies all build up to some point, but you have no clue what that point could possibly be or how it could possibly work. Then you get to that point, and think, "Oh my God. Of course. How could they have ended it any other way?" I don't think that this picture is as good as THE SIXTH SENSE, and it sure as hell isn't as good as UNBREAKABLE, but it's still a pretty solid movie.
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 08-02-2002, 05:52 PM:
08/02/2002, Cinemark 17, Springfield OR, 12:30PM, #3, DTS. Attendance about 100. Very good presentation. I noticed 1 lab splice but no other notable flaws. There was so much rolling stock they started the show 10 mins. early.I enjoyed it a lot. Shaymalyan's (sp?) movies seem very "cinematic" and well-crafted. He keeps things just a little "off" so the audience has to guess what's going on. Like that military recruiter guy -- you're watching him and thinking "What's the deal?". Things tie up nicely at the end. I wasn't blown away but this is a solid movie.
Posted by Mark Lensenmayer (Member # 134) on 08-02-2002, 10:46 PM:
Quick question: Is this a monster film or a morality play?Anyway, very effective use of the back surround channel (Surround-EX)
I enjoyed it, but it's not something I want to see again. Night's pacing is a bit too slow for my taste.
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 08-03-2002, 01:21 AM:
I'm not sure what to think of "Signs." Overall, I found it pretty entertaining, but I agree with James Hammonds' comments about the revelation being kind of disappointing. I did like this film more than "Unbreakable" but still the ending was a bit on the weak side. The only things that really made it for me were the funny bits, such as the little girl and her water drinking habit and Joaquin Phoenix' tirade about 30 year old nerds who never had girlfriends but winds up behaving the same nerdy way right down to the Hershey's Kiss aluminum foil thingie on his head.
The movie did have some excellent use of surround sound. I watched it at the Carmike 8 in Lawton, presented in THX-DTS. The aliens' scurrying actions were really well demonstrated in the surrounds. The DTS track also had some pretty good jolting moments, especially when the aliens were getting into the house. This film is indeed a Surround-EX enabled show. I noticed the 5 digit serial number on the DTS CD-ROMs denoting DTS-ES capability rather than the usual four digital nomenclature for straight 5.1/5.0.
Posted by Matt Walker (Member # 1378) on 08-03-2002, 03:44 AM:
I was really surprised with this film, I thought it was going to be an unsolved mysteries turned into a movie. While watching I was paying attention to Mel Gibson and to me it really didn't seem like a role he was comfortable with. On the other hand was he supposed to look comfortable or scared and lost, after thinking about it he's a man that lost his wife and gave up on his beliefs. My answer to is he to be comfortable or scared and lost, I came up with scared and lost. He has never used language before then he's in the real world around it. I think he did a great job acting the part but I don't think it’s his type of movie and I think he shouldn't try another one like this.
As for the storyline I thought it was great and at some point it will keep you on edge.
Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 08-04-2002, 12:18 PM:
I don't know much, but one thing I do know is farms (I am from Iowa afterall). Two things jumped out at me as being off in this movie:(spoilers ahead)
1. Corn is wet at night and in the morning. Not just when it rains, but all the time. Dew forms only a couple hours after sunset, and stays on through the morning until the sun burns it off. But yet water was their nemesis, and at the beginning when they woke and ran through they were dry.
2. It would be a very rare occasion indeed for a farmer NOT to have a gun in his house. I was expecting all along for someone to grab a shot gun and wait, but it never happened.
Other than that, the movie was OK. The further it removed itself from reality, the less interested I got.
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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 08-04-2002, 08:08 PM:
08/04/2002, 12:00PM, Regal Cinema World 8, Eugene OR, #3, SDDS. Attendance about 50. *Excellent* presentation: the image was extremely sharp and steady. Sound was great too.2nd viewing for me, and I liked it more this time. One of the best movies released this year.
I figured the reason they had no guns in the house was that Mel Gibson's character was an ex-preacher and maybe he was opposed to having weapons because of that. Or maybe after what happened with his wife he decided it was too risky having weapons in the house with the 2 young kids there. No more tragic accidents.
Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 08-04-2002, 08:48 PM:
I had an opportunity to go watch this movie today. In fact, I didn't even have to pay for popcorn!!!HOWEVER...
I decided against it. Let's face it. I am one of the few people that just didn't like "the 6th sense", because I guessed it at the beginning. It was too easy! Unbreakable, while a better film, was way to friggin slow, and had a very unsatifying and very quick ending.
Now that signs has raped everyone at the box office, with about 60 million in sales, I figured I will wait to rent the DVD, or better yet, get it on HBO.
Besides, I agree with Chad on the believability issue. My uncle in nevada is a rancher, is a religeous leader, and there are guns. It is standard for ranchers and farmers to have them around. There is no law enforcement for these families, other than that.
That's not the only reason I don't want to see it, but it just doesn't really entice me at all.
Dave
Posted by Daniel Boisson (Member # 1027) on 08-04-2002, 09:22 PM:
I loved this movie. I really let myself get into it more then I usually do and almost jump once or twice. It is definitely a little slow, as is all his movies, so I can understand why some people wouldn't be too interested.I thought the movie was great though. Well made, and great acting....it kinda reminded me of Independence Day witht the whole alien invasion thing. i think its one of the better movies to come out this year.
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Posted by Kelsey Black (Member # 126) on 08-04-2002, 10:28 PM:
One liitle tidbit of interesting info about this movie, it started shooting on September 13, 2001.that could explain a few odd things related to acting abilities...
Posted by Paul Konen (Member # 41) on 08-05-2002, 09:16 AM:
Chad, you also don't go running through corn without using sacrificing your arms to protect your face from the sharp leaves. Stuff gives you paper like cuts if your not careful.
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 08-05-2002, 10:32 AM:
Local law enforcement plays a prominent role in this movie. I think they deliberately didn't explain why there were no firearms in the house so the audience would have to figure it out on their own. My interpretation is Gibson would not allow firearms after the tragedy he'd been through. 
I agree though that some people will not like this movie. It is slow and talky sometimes, and the aliens are really not the central point of the story.
Posted by Mitchell Cope (Member # 32) on 08-05-2002, 12:48 PM:
I was really disappointed that the ending was not as satisfying as the film leading up to it. I really felt cheated that there was nothing more to it.I also question the wisdom of Mr. Shyamalan casting himself, when he is obviously out of his league acting wise. It is too distracting from the storyline. Hitchcock did it right... on, then off. If you blinked, you could miss him.
I predict this film will fall fast.
Posted by Jason Black (Member # 684) on 08-06-2002, 12:32 AM:
I think it's the right wing movement who subliminally are trying to pass the anti firearms agenda they are pushing. Then again, maybe it's just me?
Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 08-06-2002, 01:01 AM:
Right wingers are far from Anti-Guns. they are pro gun nut. NRA is definately right wing. It is the leftist that want to disarm.Republicans want everyone to carry a gun, its much more fun that way.
Dave
Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 08-06-2002, 01:18 PM:
I've had several people tell me the "former preacher, small children" idea of why he didn't have a gun, but it just doesn't compute. You've got racoons and coyotes and fox and whatever else comes wandering on your property on a farm that, children or not, you would have a rifle and shot gun in the house. At the very least, the brother would have one.As far as the left wingers (I'm assuming that's what you meant, Jason) pushing their agenda, Mel Gibson has gone against anti-gun nuts in his movies before, most recently "The Patriot" where he caught a lot of slack for showing kids killing men with guns. I can see M. Night making that decision, though, because I don't know his stance on that issue.
Regardless of why guns weren't there, it made it unbelievable to me. That and the fact that corn gets wet at night.
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Posted by Michael Gonzalez (Member # 593) on 08-06-2002, 03:09 PM:
I don't know guys but I still thing that it was a great movie. A lot of you seem to be falling into the trap of analyzing things too much and wind up ruining the movie for yourselves. It's a lot better to just sit back, suspend belief, and lose yourself into a well made movie. Yes the ending was a little on the flat side (but the build up was awsome), the aliens were a bit unrealistic where as they are capable of intergalactic travel but have no weapons whatsoever and the one at the end just stands there and get the shit kicked out of him. But what is the point of seeing a movie if you are going to sit there and miss all the positives about the movie because you cannot get over the corn in the fields being dry. Sit down, shut up and enjoy the film for what it is.
Posted by Jason Black (Member # 684) on 08-06-2002, 04:26 PM:
I meant to say left wingers...I always seem to screw that one up.. Left wing liberals... right wing conservatives.. correct? Yeah, I think I have it right again...At any rate, the post was out of jest to begin with...
To alleviate any doubts of my veiwpoint on the gun issue, I pack, daily.
Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 08-06-2002, 04:57 PM:
Good for you, Jason.Michael - We are seeing the movie for what it is, or at least what we thought it was. That's the whole point of these reviews. By your "sit down and shut up" theory, Runaway Bride should be just as enjoyable to watch, right?
Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 08-07-2002, 04:16 AM:
Enjoy the film for what it is? I did that for star wars episode two, attack on my colon.I enjoy every film for what it is. If I ruin it for myself by analyzing it then so be it. I don't do it in the theater, I do it LOOOOONG before I get there, and for about two minutes afterwards.
I enjoy most films, but I really get dissapointed on big let downs.
Dave
Posted by Michael Gonzalez (Member # 593) on 08-09-2002, 10:57 AM:
The point I was trying to make was that there is a difference between writing a review and nitpicking every little thing that is wrong with a movie. As I wrote I enjoyed the movie the suspence and the build up to the end. And I can also say that I also felt said ending was flat as well as Mel's performance but that didn't take away from my enjoyment of the movie. In contrast I can watch a movie like Triple X and give it a bad review because with the exception of a couple of stunts, there really wasn't anything redeeming in it. The plot was bad, the dialogue was bad, the acting was bad, these are the reasons that I didn't enjoy the film. So those who are writing honest movie reviews and expressing their own opinions, I have no problem with. What I am taking about are the people who sit in the theater look for every single mistake that they can find so that they can post it on the internet be it this site or another so that they can get some sort of ego boost by feeling that they are smarter that the film makers. This internet culture, that has been developing, of tearing apart other people's work, is really starting to get to me.
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-10-2002, 05:35 PM:
Dave,
I can't believe you didn't see this film...Its great. I too pretty much disliked 6th sense as well but this film is well acted, crafted, looks great and sounds great at the Villa where the immensity of the theatre plays in great in the surround channels. People were flying out of their seats a couple of times....it is intense. Again like War Of The Worlds a simple thing is found that the Aliens are not immune to. I thought all the acting was great, bet it gets alot of nominations. The first really great film I've seen this year.
Mark
Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 08-11-2002, 12:24 AM:
With that word from you Mark, I now will go see it. And that is serious. Maybe when my drugs wear off a bit.Dave
Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 08-12-2002, 12:39 PM:
I do agree that the ending was a little weak but I was not bothered by it. The only thing that troubled me about this movie was the poor sound presentation at the theatre I saw the film. My comments about the poor sound is on the Film Handlers Forum page. Some had complained elsewhere that the movie was dark and very hard to see but I had no problem because the picture presentation itself at the Waikiki #2 was flawless as usual. I understand that this is M. Night Shyamalan's third feature film and amoung the three, I still consider "THE SIXTH SENSE" to be his best and "SIGNS" to be his second best. I was not bothered by his brief appearence and his acting was not too bad in my opinion. -Claude
Posted by Dwayne Caldwell (Member # 417) on 08-12-2002, 12:58 PM:
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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-12-2002, 10:47 PM:
I really pretty much agreed with Roger Eberts review all the way.... http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/ebert_reviews/2002/08/080205.html
Tak FujiPhoto's cinematography was really awsome and the the fact that the silence in the movie is the scarest part itself. Hitchcock woulda loved it.
Mark
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 08-13-2002, 10:26 AM:
For me, the measure of a good movie is not how many plot holes it has or anything like that. The movie has to make an impression that stays with me after it's over. Images that stick in the head, believable characters, a good story. Signs was like that -- I couldn't help thinking about it afterwards. Great cinematography, interesting story, characters you care about. A lasting impression. And I think it helps that the prints I saw looked GREAT, not to mention the very effective use of the surrounds as well as "quiet" to create the mood. I hope this film gets nominated for some awards.
Posted by Michael Barry (Member # 237) on 08-13-2002, 12:27 PM:
I don't know about this one. My favourite Shymalan movie is 'Unbreakable', because it avoided sentimentality. 'Sixth Sense' and 'Signs' are both very sentimental pictures; in other words, I sense that the emotion portrayed onscreen is full of platitudes and isn't genuine...it feels forced and manipulative to me. That's when I switch off, because I can't be sold on false emotion.I am not usually a good judge of acting, but this is the first movie I've seen in a while in which the acting and scriptwriting (dialogue) seemed wooden to me in a bad 1950's sci-fi kind of way. Think 'Plan Nine From Outer Space'. To me, there were moments that were that bad.
The advantages of the movie, on the other hand, were the tension and suspense that were created. Shymalan has a knack for knowing where to place the camera and to make effective use of as little as possible. A lack of sound, a lack of light, a lack of props and especially a lack of special effects. He's good at getting back to the basics of what makes effective filmmaking.
The part where the house was being boarded up followed by the retreat to the basement reminded me strongly of 'Night of the Living Dead'. When the kid was suffering from the asthma attack in the basement, then it was 'Panic Room' all over again. The area in which I have a preference for films like 'Night of the Living Dead' over a film like 'Signs' is that it too knows how to create suspense but it dispenses with the 'character development' and 'backstory' schtick which, like I said earlier, should be dispensed with as far as I'm concerned because that stuff never rings true for me anyway. I think of those techniques as a cookie-cutter method of creating 'depth'.
Major studio release are generally very, very bad at portraying emotional stuff that rings true for me which is why it's best left out. European films and independent American films are far better in this regard and I will turn to them if I am in the mood for a serious drama. This 'crossover' stuff where you have movies that want both bites of the cherry end up compromising BOTH aspects in the pursuit of a movie which 'has it all'.
Does anyone remember that 'A Stir of Echoes' was ignored at the box office in favour of 'The Sixth Sense' way back when? I much, much prefer ASOE because it chose to get on efficiently with the job of scaring us and didn't get bogged down with wanting to put lumps in our throats. If I want emotion I'll go rent an Ingmar Bergman film, since he does it better than anyone else. If I want to be scared I will turn to David Koepp or George Romero or John Carpenter or Dario Argento. Don't like this middle of the road stuff. 
Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 08-19-2002, 10:08 AM:
I like this movie. The more I think about it the more I like it. Nice tension building. What I found the most enjoyable is that I felt like the people in the movie. That is, I couldn't believe it was happening to me, and everytime the invasion progressed a bit, I was surprised. If I had to find fault I would say that the tie between the alien part and the lost faith part was a tad weak. On the other hand I liked the insight into the idea of "giving faith" in the discussion between the two brothers.
Gee, isn't it amazing what a good story and good directing will do for a movie. Just goes to show that a movie can be good without a ton of CGI
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Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 08-19-2002, 03:06 PM:
Ok now I have seen this film as of last night. I liked it, BUT...Film was very grainy, large distraction.
***WARNING>>> SPOILERS AHEAD***
I know, I hate spoilers in a review, but this is needed...
As an agnostic, I found it a very good thought provoking excercise in philosophical thought. What I did not like about this movie is its sudden end when the aliens just up and leave in the night without us getting the benefit of the experience. yeah I know its an artistic choice, and M Night wanted to make a more spiritual movie than a sci fi movie, but he made a sci fi movie and the ending was weak and weak and weak.
The choice of soundtrack for the ending when they beat the alien to death was more like a grandiose victory march, rather than a nice bone chilling score, like the rest of the movie had. This was very dissapointing and left me going... Hmmm... thats interesting.
As a result, I have no plans to ever see this movie again. Really. The ending is so crucial, and the way it was done was just whimpy and weak, almost a cop out to avoid looking too much like a sci fi movie.
Thats not to say the element of what he used as far as spirituality goes was bad, HOWEVER...
Choice of music. So crucial. A different score would have really pumped up the emotional aspect of the end and really taken us for a great heart jolting and tear jerking ending. Instead it left me wondering why I let someone pay to bring me to this film. Yeah I got three good spine tinglers, but that was it.
I give it two out of four stars, or one thumb up and the other one somewhere else. Not in my ass, but off doing other things.
Dave
Posted by Dennis Atkinson (Member # 345) on 08-24-2002, 08:40 AM:
Two lines from Roger Eberts positive review.
1. There is as little plot as possible
2. At the end of the film, I had to smile, recognizing how Shyamalan has essentially ditched a payoffThe above is exactly what I thought was wrong with the movie and why I do not ever have to see it again.
Dennis
Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 09-02-2002, 08:13 PM:
I have to say I was fairly disappointed in this movie. In some ways I admired it. But it was essentially a small-scale movie disguised in a big package. A sense of reverential self-importance gave it a self-worth the story didn't deserve. On the other hand, it's the first movie I think I've seen where several "coincidences" became a major plot point in terms of their existence and the film's denounement. But while I believe Sci-Fi and religion can co-exist in a film, it still raises some unanswered questions. The conclusions drawn by Gibson's character aren't necessarily the ones someone else would arrive at, based on this film's evidence. And usually, ambiguity works for me in a movie, but not, for some reason, here.I found the 6.1 channel mix to be highly effective in this film, especially in the basement scene. It was one of the best I've heard. The cinematogrpahy was dark, but worked well in the DLP presentation I saw at Mann's Grauman's Chinese Theatre in Hollywood. Black levels are still a problem in the system, but only barely. The clearity of the rest of the image was luminous in quality. Very little grain of the film master showed with beautiful film-like images. Excellent.
Posted by Michael Brown (Member # 890) on 09-24-2002, 05:06 PM:
Spoilers
Cineworld Bradford Deluxe Screen 12/09/02 6:20pm
Flat, SRD-EX (I'm assuming they remembered to turn the EX on)
Soft Focus. The 'Road to Perdition' Trailer was the worst for focus and no text ever looked right on screen.
After the adverts/trailers I saw about a second of the BBFC cert. Every thing went black. The masking opened to scope (I’m thinking –“Hmm I thought this was a flat film”). Then I saw the remainder of the BBFC tag incorrectly stretched to Scope. At that point the projectionist must have realised that this was in fact at flat film. The lens turret went back to flat for the opening sequence of the film. The masking was eventually pulled back in to flat. But it took a couple of tries. The masking didn’t seem in good heath. It made a loud squeaking sound.
So On with the film. First point. It seemed to be one of those films that looked as if I had walked in after it hade been on for 20 minutes. It went into the story far too early for me. I hated the first appearance of the alien (rooftop). It seemed to say ‘This film is going to be about FX” too early. Which is a misconception as it’s not an FX driven film. I liked the second alien appearance. And I like the fact that Aliens were attacking the world and we weren’t seeing it happen . The ending. I wanted to aliens to end up being good. Yes I wanted the big finale alien to be curing Culkin of his asthma in an E.T kind of way. Not ending up being battered to death.
I'm getting my student lone by the end of the week, so I may make a trip to Manchester to see this in DLP next week.
Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 09-28-2002, 10:07 AM:
Paul wrote: A sense of reverential self-importance gave it a self-worth the story didn't deserve. That is very well put. To me, this movie is just a big pile of pretentious crap. Mr Shyamalan tries so hard to make it mysterious and fascinating, with that nervewrecking pseudo-mystic music doodling in the background all the time. But the story itself, with its shallow reflections on destiny and coincidence is really bad. Since I see so many movies, I am usually quite indifferent when I don`t like one. This, however made me almost throw up.
Aliens come all the way from outer space and then they can`t figure out how doors work?
Michael
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 10-02-2002, 11:21 PM:
Too slow and far too much talking. Forced character development. Mel Gibson's performance got in the way of itself. Like the script, he's trying too hard.Overhyped and, ultimately, pointless.
Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 10-02-2002, 11:34 PM:
The end could have been saved if Phoenix had used a light saber to slaughter the alien
Which, by the way, looked horribly crappy. Yes I know, Mr M (what does the M stand for? Maximus? Is Night the second first name or the first last name? Why doesn`t he simply spell his name out?) tried to induce a classic element by referring to 50s alien movies as well as to Hitchcock bla bla bla
M.
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 10-03-2002, 09:17 AM:
It's a sophomoric attempt at a "character piece" masquerading as a summer blockbuster. Don't sell me on sci-fi and then give me a bastardization of PBS "Great Performances."