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I'm sitting there during "Star Trek: Nemesis," the 10th "Star Trek" movie, and I'm smiling like a good sport and trying to get with the dialogue about the isotronic Ruritronic signature from planet Kolarus III, or whatever the hell they were saying, maybe it was "positronic," and gradually it occurs to me that "Star Trek" is over for me. I've been looking at these stories for half a halftime, and, let's face it, they're out of gas.

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The whole review is like that. Ebert Reviews ST: Nemesis

EDIT: My review is further down in this thread.
 

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Posted by Sam Hunter (Member # 1119) on 12-13-2002, 12:04 PM:
 
But where is your review?
 

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Posted by Ken Lackner (Member # 1002) on 12-13-2002, 01:56 PM:
 
David, somehow I figured you'd be the first to post on this one. I was looking forward to seeing your review. Guess I'll have to wait for that. Okay, here goes.

The movie had its good parts and its bad parts. Definitely not the best Star Trek movie. As a whole, it was decent. I have many unanswered questions, which I will wait to post until I see the movie again. I must say, I did not like the desert scene near the beginning. Now, I know virtually nothining about film making, only exhibition. So help me out here. Why did that scene look like parts of the movie Traffic? Was that effect (which I can't really describe too well, but I'm sure someone who knows about film making would know if there is a term for it) created on purpose? If so, why? It just doesn't seem to fit in a Star Trek movie. And why was Data wearing safety glasses? That seemed pretty dumb.

The movie started out pretty slow in my opinion, but it did pick up about halfway through. It wasn't until then that I really started to get into it.

Like I said, not the best Star Trek movie, but certainly a must see for any Trekkie.
 

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Posted by Sam Hunter (Member # 1119) on 12-13-2002, 03:27 PM:
 
Fresh from the theater and I rate it about a 6 on a scale of 1 to 10 on my starstrekkometer. I went into this knowing how the next generation movies all go and didn't compare it to Kirk and boys (The Best). Anyway, the dune buggy scenes were not needed in my opinion as it wasn't necessary to tell the story but hey, I guess they were trying to attract the XXX crowd. The movie tended to drag along in some aspects and for some reason in my later years I tend to get impatient but other than a lot of Psychobabble it was ok. And here’s how it ended.............................................

HA HA!
 

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Posted by Dennis Benjamin (Member # 1137) on 12-13-2002, 03:31 PM:
 
It was alright. If this is the last of the "Next Generation" films - I am disappointed. I was expecting it to be more profound. I agree with an above post - some elements of the film seemed to be added to appeal to a certain crowd - (XXX, Fast and Furious types) not of the Star Trek mold. Not being a huge Trek fan myself - I was just expecting a whole 'closure' thing that did not happen.
 

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Posted by Sam Hunter (Member # 1119) on 12-13-2002, 07:04 PM:
 
How many times have we heard "This will be the last film" on start trek?
Time will tell I guess.
 

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Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 1016) on 12-13-2002, 07:40 PM:
 
I LOVED IT! Ok, I am a Star Trek fan but definitely not the biggest! I completely agree that the dune buggy scene was not needed, it just felt out of place in the whole Star Trek routine. It seemed to me that this movie was more geared toward women then all the movies from the past (Might just be me!). Were they trying to use this to attract a new younger, possibly more female crowd? I know that there is a big fan base of women "Trekkies" or "Trekkers" out there but they are not the prevalent geeks!

I’m proud to be a geek!
 

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Posted by Jacob Huber (Member # 1138) on 12-13-2002, 07:46 PM:
 
IMDb states that the original running time of this is supposed to be 2:45 and was cut to 1:35. They apparently cut a lot of footage that was geared to making it a more "mainstream" movie and perhaps answered some of the questions. The uncut version is supposed to be on the DVD release.
 

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Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 12-13-2002, 10:22 PM:
 
where do they get these running times. Nemesis is 117 minutes long and I doubt that they cut very much at all out of this film. And if they did they cut it at the wrong end. Too much lagging in the first 45 minutes. Great sound and visual sequences after that. As far as the Next Generations part in the series. I liked First contact the best Followed by Nemesis then Insurrection and Finaly Generations. Where do they go from here well, the Universe is wide open. In my honest opinion maybe they need to come up with something that doesn't really rely on trying to spin off of another Star Trek T.V. show.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 12-14-2002, 01:51 AM:
 
Personally I thought that this was the best of the "generations" Star Trek movies. (I'm not the biggest fan of this cast. It just isn't quite Star Trek without William Shatner and his pauses within his dialogue!) I lost track of the numbers after 6, so I don't know if this is #9 or #12, but I have seen them all and definitely found this one the best.

If for no other reason, find a well designed sound system to watch this in. The sound mixers did one helluva fantastic job with this mix.
 

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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 12-14-2002, 04:43 PM:
 
12/14/2002, 12:15PM, Regal Cinema World 8, Eugene OR, #3, digital sound. Attendance about 50. Excellent presentation -- this print really looked sharp and had very little grain (except for the desert scene which was deliberately grainy and washed-out). I did count 4 lab splices though. No dropouts in the digital track.

I can't remember a damn thing about the last couple of NextGen movies -- they were completely forgettable. So I went into this one with very low expectations. Holy Crap! This is actually a good movie. EASILY the best of the NextGen series, and up there with Wrath of Khan. Tom Hardy (who??) made a great villain. The special effects are mostly very good, there's a minimum of clunky dialog which often detracts from Star Trek movies, and the Enterprise crew is in fine form. Excellent sound track too. I am really surprised at how much I liked this, and I will probably see it again. See it in the best theater you can.
 

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Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 12-15-2002, 12:42 PM:
 
Kirk would have kicked this guys ass in the first 5 minutes.
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First three reels could have been done without. The dune buggy thing was dumb, they could have flown around in the hover craft, I mean shuttle craft, and picked up the pieces. The obligatory wedding/bonding scene could have been left out, we already know the whole crew loves each other. The only good part of the first half was the Romulans getting toasted. I'm sure toy store shelves are being stocked with ST RC dunebuggy cars as you read this.
We trudge on...
Picard was not bald in the academy. In an episode where his artifical heart is explained, he had a full head of hair.
What's with this emotional attachment of Picard's to the clone? What a wuss. And insult of insults they kill of Data exactly like they did Spock in WoK, after first downloading his catra, I mean memories, into the new Data.
I liked this movie while I was watching it except for the wedding smarm, and I'd say go see it. It's fun if you don't know any of the history. Just don't think about it at all and it will be fine. The effects were great and the sound was great.
Do you think the next ST film will be about the adventures of Admrl Amway?
 

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Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 1016) on 12-15-2002, 05:04 PM:
 
Cut out the wedding scene??? I liked the wedding scene, the girliness in me found that to be one of my favorite parts. Screening this movie with a whole bunch of men sitting in the crowd I noticed that they found this part entertaining also. The few comedic lines made the effort (to me) very welcome.
 

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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 12-15-2002, 05:55 PM:
 
The wedding scene lasts all of about 3 mins; it didn't bother me. As far as the dune buggy sequence, well, sure they could have done the same thing with a shuttlecraft, but Picard clearly welcomed the excuse to take out the buggy instead and have a little fun driving like a maniac.
 

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Posted by Jack Ondracek (Member # 1466) on 12-15-2002, 07:18 PM:
 

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... I did not like the desert scene near the beginning. ... Why did that scene look like parts of the movie Traffic? Was that effect (which I can't really describe too well, but I'm sure someone who knows about film making would know if there is a term for it) created on purpose? If so, why?

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Alien world... A sun (or suns?) with a different color temperature than good old Sol. Their inhabitants would be equally disturbed if they came HERE!
 

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Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 12-16-2002, 12:13 AM:
 
Actually, the ending WAS unpredictable. I saw a joke being made with the clotheless Betazoid Wedddingat the end. Never happened.

BTW, Brent piner was quoted in the L.A. Times saying that another Next Generation film will happend if this one is succesful at the box office. Thats why things were left open-ended.
 

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Posted by Jacob Huber (Member # 1138) on 12-16-2002, 01:49 AM:
 
*Spoilers Ahead*

Been a while since there's been a good ST film (First Contact). This film was just what I needed to get me back in the spirit for the (hopefully) good winter epics after all the recent tripe. The soundtrack was phenomenal, as were the digital effects, and plently of good laughs and action sequences throughout. I did not see the ending coming, with Data "dying", as good guys are not supposed to die, plus I grew up with the TNG cast. Overall a great film.
 

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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 12-16-2002, 10:56 AM:
 
I went to see it again last night , same location (wanted to see it again in the best theater in this area; the print will be moved when Two Towers comes out later this week). I enjoyed it even more the 2nd time. There are some small things I could criticize, as there always are in ST movies, but overall a 2nd view confirms that I like this a whole lot more than any other Next Gen film.

I sat through the credits this time, and there were at least 2 lab splices on that last, short reel, in addition to the other 4 I counted elsewhere. On my way out I asked the mgr. about the sound format, was told it was DTS. The sound was rock-solid and impressive from start to end, no noticeable discontinuties at all, despite all the splices.

Did anyone notice the tribute to "Enterprise"? There's a scene on the bridge where the computer display shows the names & locations of several Federation ships. One of them was USS Archer.
 

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Posted by Brad Haven (Member # 954) on 12-16-2002, 01:10 PM:
 
Hey guy's, be careful with the spoilers
 

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Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 12-17-2002, 10:11 AM:
 
Here's how the "hot, dry" look in "Traffic" was done:

"Traffic" Look by Kodak CineSite
 

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Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 12-18-2002, 01:31 PM:
 
The original cut delivered to Paramount by Stuart Baird was in fact about 2:45. Paramount fearful that no one would sit through a three hour star trek movie, ordered it cut to 2 hours.

Stuard Baird and John Logan (screenplay) both claim that the whole of the movie was not affected by the cuts.

I do hope that the original cut will be available on DVD.

Dave
 

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Posted by Darren Crimmins (Member # 1116) on 12-20-2002, 01:33 PM:
 
I noticed that during the dune buggy scene, Picard does a very good job at driving basically a 20th century machine. While I am sure that since they do not use those type of automobiles commonly in the 24th century and ships and shuttlecraft are the norm and appear to be flown much differently, he does a very good job. I takes people a long time with drivers training to operate a vehicle properly, I guess we see that Patrick Stewart apparently is a good driver while his character should not be. But again this is Star Trek and half of the stuff should be taken as suspension of disbelief.
 

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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 12-20-2002, 01:41 PM:
 
Only half?
 

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Posted by Ken Lackner (Member # 1002) on 12-24-2002, 11:25 AM:
 

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Where in the world did the B4 (or is that "Before"??) android come from?

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I thought the same thing too, but remember Shinzon did explain that when he was a slave in the mines he had been beaten up on a lot.

All in all I really like this film and it's a shame it's dying so quickly in the current crowded market.
 

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Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 12-29-2002, 07:09 PM:
 
YOUR STAR TREK NEMESIS QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED..

*** WARNING*** SPOILERS AHEAD...

QUESTIONS: How does Data Transport to the reman ship instead of B4??

Data brings to the attention of his superiors that he has discovered the origin of the unauthorized access to the computer, and that he believes that they can gain "a tactical advantage"... Now also remember that they would have also discovered the transponder that was placed inside of B4 by shinzon, and then removed it and placed it inside Data... The secondary data port was taken from the neck of B4 and placed on Data.. Hence the Tactical Advantage... I doubt the lead in was cut, as it was made to look as if it were a total surprise... and of course it is...

QUESTION: How could the Picard character possibly know how to drive a dune buggy, and why the hell not just use a flying mode of transport? Easy...

In the scene directly before the dune buggy, Picard and Geordi refer to Picard aching to take the Argo out for a spin... this also alludes to the fact that this thing had to be tested somewhere else, and more than likely, as with all of the ST machines, you have to be at least trained and rated before you are allowed to drive it, so it is highly likely that he had some simulation training already, and the fact that he nearly creamed it coming out of the stable... well it all makes sense...

QUESTION: Was the dune buggy scene really needed?

It is obvious why the dune buggy was needed. they were needing to get out of the vehicle six different times to make eye to ground searches for the causes of the energy searches. Remember that while they had general ideas of the locations, they could not be specific because of the planets atmosphere and mineral base that prevented a honing or locking in. This prevented "flying around in shuttles to pick up the pieces". Imagine having to get in and out six different times of a shuttlecraft, too much time consumed powering up for a quick launch. In search and rescue missions, we don't just fly around in planes now do we?

QUESTION: Why was Data wearing safety glasses during the desert scene?

Remember that Data strives to be human, and EMULATES human behavior. He only wore them to feel more a part of the experience.

QUESTION: Was the Dune Buggy scene to draw in the XXX crowd? No. It was just some fun. We would have seen more previews that were nothing but the dune buggy sequence, and that didn't happen. As far as not needed, sure, why not? we could have just had that damned android floating around in space, or a shuttle could have come by with it, something easy and simple, so we don't have to have a dune buggy scene. What is the problem with a dune buggy scene? Space travellers DO have to get out of the ship once in a while don't they?

QUESTION: Why is picard bald in his academy picture, when Picard was not bald in the academy, as in the series when his artificial heart was explained, but the picture of his academy days had him bald..

right you are!!! But also wrong too. The picture was taken AFTER his heart was installed, and he had decided to don the crome dome look. Just some creative interpretations on the writers part...

QUESTION: What was with Picards attachment to this clone?

Well it wasn't wussiness. Remember that his entire family line is now dead. I am sure that there were bits cut that ellude more to this about how this is really the only family he has.

QUESTION: WHy was the death of Data copied from the death of spock.

NOT SO FAST....
Data did not see his death coming and therefore download his memories into B4. The download was done to see if B4 could be improved and brought up to speed, as it were. Also, this was not a cultural thing, as it is with vulcans. Also, Data is dead, and his body cannot be retrieved and his memories reinsterted to his body. DATA IS IN FACT VERY VERY DEAD. Spock was dead, but the genesis planet revived his cellular structure, allowing his Katra to be put back in to his body. DATA IS DEAD, and B4 is not going to be a carbon copy, but rather is merely a child with some of the memories of Data. Data did not die with his friends watching him rot to pieces in front of thier eyes, he died alone. Also remember that Data downloaded his Daughters memories into his matrix, but he did not become his daughter. Just because Spock died doesn't mean that other charachters therefore can never die. Charachters Die all the time. Hey even Kirk Died.

I really enjoyed this film. The best next generation film to date. I can't wait for the real cut of the film on DVD.

Dave
 

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Posted by Sam Hunter (Member # 1119) on 12-30-2002, 09:43 PM:
 
Dave, Kirk did not just die, Picard killed Kirk because he wasn't man enough to do the dirty work. At least in the Novels that took place after that Kirk gets to come back thanks to Borg technologie and do a little bit of Picard bashing in the process.
 

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Posted by William Leland III (Member # 1400) on 01-10-2003, 04:37 PM:
 
I think Data's finals words to Picard should have been," Please look after Spot."
 

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Posted by Mike Williams (Member # 1140) on 01-10-2003, 07:34 PM:
 
Here is another question... Why was Will Wheaton in this movie? ... and why was he wearing a star fleet uniform??? Didn't he (Wesley) drop out before he graduated Star Fleet academy and go off with "The Traveler"?
 

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Posted by William Leland III (Member # 1400) on 01-10-2003, 08:09 PM:
 
Hey Mike, Wesley Crusher was a main character in the early years and had re-occuring roles. So I guess the Star Trek gods wanted him in the movie. I don't think he even had lines. Here is a link for Wesley Crusher bio Star Trek Bios

Also here is a web site that Wil Weaton does : Wil Wheaton
 

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