• GOOD - Jar Jar had very little screen time in this one.
• BAD - Jar Jar did not die a horrible death that spanned two reels. Very disappointing.
• GOOD - The sound was freakin' phenomenal!!! I ran it at 9 and it was fantastic.
• BAD - This movie was clearly shot on video. Some of the scenes, inparticularly the scene where they are "building" Vader looked like it was shot on a VHS camcorder.
• GOOD - The last 2 reels finally started wrapping things up in the trilogy and did a good job at it.
• BAD - The dialogue and acting. Just like the others, don't expect much here. Much of it had us flat out laughing when the actors were trying to be completely serious. It just couldn't be helped, it was too hokey.
• GOOD - John William's score, as always.
• BAD - The fact that the score is playing under EVERY SINGLE SCENE!!! I honestly don't think it stopped for more than 30 seconds at any one given point. Someone pay attention to this for me and see if indeed there is one solid minute without music being used.

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This movie was clearly shot on video. Some of the scenes, inparticularly the scene where they are "building" Vader looked like it was shot on a VHS camcorder.

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You are right. This footage was actually shot by the Emperor himself, handheld and live, and like you noticed, on his personal camcorder.

I think this movie blooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooows!!!!!!
No sense of style and continuity, completely unrealistic looking scenes overladen with too much CGI stuff going on everywhere. The attempts to provide some connections to the earlier movies failed miserably. For instance, the scenes filmed in Senator Organa's ship stood out glaringly and didn't fit the overall look of the rest of the movie at all.
But yes, they gave Natalie Portman a noodle hairdo as a preecho of Leia's later hairstyle.
They already started building the Death Star? So it eventually took them 20 years to complete it? But then it only took them maybe a year or 2 to build an even bigger one later?

What I find worst is how the endless potential of a vast place in space is completely collapsed in the new episodes. Everybody knows everybody (or their fathers) already. Look, there is little Greedo, and all the robots are already there, and look, Yoda even met Chewbacca. And they were really good friends too! Is this a Muppet Show episode or what is it supposed to be?

Lucas' great achievement back then was to have the idea and the energy to push his original project through - and then hire the right people to help him make it come alive. But he doesn't have these people anymore, apparently all he has now is a bunch of highly paid yesmen. But he alone obviously does not have the vision to create, or recreate, anything remotely close to the original trilogy.
 

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Posted by Paul Konen (Member # 41) on 05-18-2005, 09:27 AM:
 
Michael, I agree about the Death Star Scene. I feel that people are going to be disappointed that the tie-ins to EP4 weren't elaborated on more. I think a bit more info on Leia growth into being the Princess, teaching her about Obi-Wan (She never knew him), capturing the Death Star plans, recording her message onto R2 and eventual capture. Even some background on Luke growing up, altbough IMO, he didn't really become a factor until EP4 anyway. (He just wants to get power converters anyway )
 

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Posted by John Walsh (Member # 168) on 05-18-2005, 11:32 AM:
 
A friend of mine made the point that (it seems) George only gives his actors the minimum amount of information to do a scene. This causes their acting to be sort of wooden. Maybe it's because he wants to keep everything a secret. For example, it's as if he will tell an actor, "Look up at the blue screen. You see a big spaceship. Now say, 'Wow, that's a really big spaceship.'" OK CUT; .. next!

The actor doesn't know why he's saying a line, and doesn't have either a real set or other actors to work off/with.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 05-18-2005, 12:33 PM:
 
Lucas has said the acting that we might consider "wooden" is actually a style from the 1940 and 50s. I'm not sure how to describe it but if you look at old movies ("Ben-Hur" and "The Ten Commandments" come to mind) you can see it. The actors speak more slowly, and with less emotion/inflection than today's movies have. I'm sure there are lots of much better examples out there but I'm not really into movies from that era.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 05-18-2005, 12:37 PM:
 
Interesting. Even more interesting is that he is making a futuristic (or should I say "a long time ago") movie, yet he would use the "wooden" style from the 40s and 50s.

Personally, once the movies started talking, they started to suck. Sure there are many exceptions over the years, but for the most part the films released from the 40s into the late 70s were crap in my opinion. Then the crapfest seemed to start back up at the end of the 90s and I don't see an end in sight.

Maybe Michael Shaffer can predict when good movies will be made again.
 

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Posted by Jeremy Spracklen (Member # 18) on 05-18-2005, 05:50 PM:
 
George Lucas is a genius…a freakin’ comedic genius. I laughed my ass off through the whole thing.

Seriously! This whole intergalactic mess could have been avoided if Anakin had just learned to put a sheath on that saber. Or didn’t they have condoms a long time ago in a galaxy far, far, away?
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 05-18-2005, 11:27 PM:
 

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All the obvious side-effects of pixelation are gone now! DLP doesn't look too bad after all!

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Oh no! All of my worst fears have come true. Apparently Georgie built some sort of subliminal messages into the movie. He must be pissed that his 2001 predictions didn't come true, so he's found a way to "force" his beliefs on the unsuspecting public.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 05-19-2005, 04:39 AM:
 
Well, it didn't look nearly as good as it would have if the IMAX deal had gone through.

I viewed most of it tonight in a large auditorium (400 seats) in 35mm. We recently had a lamphouse upgrade retrofit in there and it looked beautiful! Bright, crisp, clean. It didn't look too video-ish to me, but then, I don't have the eye for that kind of thing even nearly as good as most people here seem to.

I think the crowds liked it. But then, again, they were cheering during the Snickers ad in the 2wenty! Lunatics!
 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 05-19-2005, 04:54 AM:
 

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I must revise this. Apparently during our original screening, it was playing at the right settings and everything, but something in the data conversion compression doo-hickamabob was playing it at a needlessly low resolution.

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All valid points, but Darth does all his badass stuff in the movies that follow -- this movie is about the creation of Darth -- so it makes sense he wouldn't be in this one much.

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When it ended, people in the theatre really didn’t know if they should clap or not

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Unless someone that was actually involved in the making of the movie is actually in the audience, why the hell would anyone clap?!?!

As for me, I thought it was a great movie. I wasnt expecting a "happy" Star Wars, with fun and moments of joy and glee. Its pretty much common sense that it was going to be about Anakins transformation from a Jedi to a supervillain. Nothing glorifying about that, except maybe his reasoning for doing what he did. It may not have been the smartest decision, but its understandable. I didnt think too much of it was silly, except the fact that these space creatures from a galaxy far far away speak modern English. Other than that, 4 out of 5 stars.

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folks like me will spread the bad WOM quickly

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Geez, I just cant figure out why movies have no legs?? Maybe you should let people decide for themselves whether or not to go and support the movie theaters that we all work for and depend on.
 

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Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 05-20-2005, 12:46 PM:
 
I'd write my own review but I think Entertainment Weekly says it best:
EW Review on CNN

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(Entertainment Weekly) -- Having spent two scattershot blockbusters whetting our appetite for the fall of Anakin Skywalker (Hayden Christensen), George Lucas makes it easy to experience "Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith" as a rush of deliverance -- even if the movie itself doesn't fully deliver.

From the opening space-combat sequence, in which Anakin and his mentor, Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ewan McGregor), dodge an onslaught of fireballs and enemy craft so dense that the two might be threading their fighters through needles, you can feel Lucas' boyish engagement in the galactic universe he's created.

The Jedi Knights are on a mission to rescue Supreme Chancellor Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid), who has been kidnapped, and already there are hints of the conflict to come. As the two are attacked by spidery buzz droids, Anakin tries to shoot them off of Obi-Wan's ship, an act of headstrong aggression that makes you think, ''With friends like this ...''

Unlike "The Phantom Menace" or "Attack of the Clones," "Revenge of the Sith" unfolds with a fury of consequence. There are rousing lightsaber duels, like the one in which the skull-faced General Grievous wields four sabers at once.

Yoda, with his twinkly scowl of purpose, has become such a crowd-pleasing action figure that when he coughs up solemn syntactical howlers like ''A prophecy that misread could have been'' -- well, forgive him almost you can.

The madly detailed cityscapes raise eye candy to a dimension of comic-book awe, though I confess I miss the nearly tactile thrills generated by the original "Star Wars" films. Lucas' digital imagery allows for whizzy, swirling layers of technological hyperactivity, yet its lacquered gleam is just artificial enough that when a panoramic window gets smashed during a battle in the Jedi chamber, my reaction was to think, ''Gee, how will they find replacement glass that big?''

Petulant and morose, with a slightly slurry delivery, Christensen plays Anakin as if locked in a private adolescent snit fit. As political infighting rages between the forces of the Empire and the Jedi (who are portrayed -- in a pointed parallel with our own wartime climate -- as under-siege liberals fighting ostracism), Anakin is torn between two father figures: the honorable Obi-Wan and the ambiguous Palpatine, played by McDiarmid with the jaunty menace of a corporate seducer.

Of course, this is really the story of how Anakin outgrows his need for masters altogether, becoming a ''dark father'' himself. Darth Vader, with his fascist armor and his morbid cosmic boom of a voice, was always an image of malevolent manhood, even if he is the emperor's lackey. Since Christensen has never come close to that level of gravitas, we're eager to see how Anakin the testy apprentice, the surly, conflicted boy, will emerge, corrupted, from the shell of his innocence.

He does and he doesn't. Anakin's journey to the Dark Side is sparked by half a dozen different motivations, none of them entirely convincing. He has a nightmare that his pregnant bride, Padmé (Natalie Portman), is going to die in childbirth, and Palpatine exploits this premonition by promising Anakin that the Dark Side will give him power over life and death. But since the ''Hold me like you did by the lake on Naboo!'' love scenes are embarrassments of cheesy acting and cheesier dialogue, they have the unfortunate effect of hinging Anakin's descent on the worst moments in the entire series.

Anakin's instincts may be noble, but when he's chosen to be a member of the Jedi Council and yet denied the title of Master, the omission inflames his rage, a development that rings jarringly false. Anakin's appointment is an unexpected honor for a young Jedi: Why would he suddenly be up in arms about not receiving the ultimate rank as well? In case that conflict doesn't do it for you, he's also been asked to spy on Palpatine, which softens him up to believe the lie that the Jedi are hatching a conspiracy.

All of this is so talky and abstract, however, that Anakin's gathering storm seems hokey from the start, a function of the fact that it's simply time for him to begin getting mad. The trouble with "Revenge of the Sith" is that we're never really shown what we're told about endlessly: Anakin succumbing to the temptations of power.

He sulks a lot, with a bead of resentment in his eye, but his actions never take that crucial turn toward the destructive narcissism of Darth Vader. The audience has to work to make sense of his journey, but what we're really doing is putting together the script that George Lucas didn't, quite.

Beneath Anakin's slipshod motives, one senses a failure of will on Lucas' part. The "Star Wars" series divided the world into Good and Evil in a way that Hollywood, by the 1970s, had forgotten. But Lucas, in his by-now reflexive populism, wants to turn Anakin into Darth Vader without risking any loss of sympathy for him.

The one figure in "Revenge of the Sith" who taps the true spirit of "Star Wars" is Ewan McGregor: With his beautiful, light, clipped delivery, he plays Alec Guinness' playfulness, making Obi-Wan a marvel of benevolent moxie.

It's certainly fun to see Darth Vader's black armor snap into place (though couldn't they have waited until Anakin's burned skin stopped smoking?), but by the end of "Revenge of the Sith," it would be a mistake to confuse Lucas' tidy game of connect-the-episodes with the elemental pleasure of the series at its best: pop storytelling done effortlessly, ushering the audience into the darkness and the light.

EW Grade: B-

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But the things that actually did bug me, but really shouldn't have ... things flying off spaceships as if there were wind resistance in space? Sounds of explosions heard through the vacuum of space

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Anakin Skywalker IS Darth Vader, at a younger age. So DV does feature very prominently throughout the movies.

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Am I wrong, or was General Grievous coughing? Was he sick? Isnt he a robot?

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Who else thought the Tarzan howl was WAY out of place?

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The regular folks like me will spread the bad WOM quickly, and I hear it’s already being downloaded on the Internet. I can see why Lucas wanted this released worldwide in as many locations as possible all at once. Expect this to fall 60% or more next weekend. And all these poor theatres with long contracts and multiple prints….suckers!

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Even though Jermey already said it...Why in the hell are people who are not fans of the Star Wars films always going out and bashing it. This film is the best of the new 3 if not the best of the six...Stop bashing it like a cry baby and let people make there own choices.

And the only reason next weeks grosses will drop %50-60 is cause, this film will gross $150,000,000 opening weekend, shattering all boxoffice records on its way to the top. Hate to break your heart Eric.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 05-20-2005, 09:47 PM:
 
It seems there are rather a lot of spoiler-type discussions here, and I guess this post will be no different.

Okay, upon a second full viewing, I have a rather large question.

Who was firing upon the ship holding the captive Palpatine? If the two Jedi are on the rescue mission, wouldn't their side know better than to shoot down the ship during the rescue attempt? And if it was the Separatist side shooting ... well, wasn't it a Separatist ship? It seems rather weak to explain it all with the simple "War!" proclamation in the crawl.

Another little thing that bugged me ... Grievous said that he, too, was trained in the Jedi arts. Then he immediately wields the four sabers in the MOST specialized attack of the whole franchise. It sounds like an empty boast since I doubt a Jedi taught him that.

I also realized that they got James Earl Jones to do a bad Hayden impression. Vader can't be whiny, and yet ...

I realized, sitting through the whole thing straight again, that, yes, it's just a long case study as Eric said. That dry spell of nothing but one-on-one dialog scenes was so boring! Lucas had no choice but to make the venue setting more interesting just to keep the static drawl seeming fresh.

And my roommate made the observation that Padmé was so appalled at "how much Anakin had changed" and didn't know him anymore, completely oblivious to how much her "character" was unlike the Episode II Padmé. In Clones, she kicked ass and could take care of herself, very strong. In Sith, she ... turned into a chick! (as my roommate puts it)

And the worst exclamation of all: Anakin's "I HATE YOU!" Didn't he say that exact thing, in exactly the same way, in Life As A House?
 

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Posted by Lyle Romer (Member # 1266) on 05-20-2005, 11:42 PM:
 
OK, here goes......... I thought it was pretty good (2.5/4 stars). Some of the dialog or sounds were just laughable but I'd expected that. I think there was a little too much going on and screen time wasted on things like the wookie planet for the sole purpose of seeing chewbaca. Why did we need to see him? We didn't need to see young Han Solo.

I would have liked if a little more time was spent on Anakin turning to the dark side instead of one second he's good and the next second he's turned.

I think George Lucas possesses some kind of ability to suck the acting ability out of people? Natalie Portman gets worse by the episode.

I thought (as with EPI and II) that the digital backgrounds were way too "slick" looking and not realistic. It's sorta like you're watching Roger Rabbit in reverse with people running around a cartoon world.

It's been a long time since I've watched the original films but I think there were a couple of continuity errors to the original trilogy. The first was brought to my attention by somebody in the group I saw it with. He said that in "Return of the Jedi" Leia asks Luke if he remembers their mother and then Leia says something about her (Padme). If true I didn't know babies had such good memory. Second, wasn't Luke's (formerly Anakin's) light saber green? The one he was using to fight Obi-wan (which Obi-wan picked up) was blue wasn't it?
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 05-21-2005, 12:21 AM:
 

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I didn't think it would be necessary to point this out: Anakin Skywalker IS Darth Vader, at a younger age. So DV does feature very prominently throughout the movies.

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I can't believe you didn't get what I meant. Sure he's in the movie, but he doesn't FULLY "become" Darth Vader until that helmet clamps on. Some people are upset that there isn't "more Darth" -- the COMPLETE Darth -- in the movie.

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Oh yeah....Vaders over-charged emotional yell...STOOPID. Not the stoic hard-ass bad-ass character I remember from Episodes IV-VI....

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He said that in "Return of the Jedi" Leia asks Luke if he remembers their mother and then Leia says something about her (Padme). If true I didn't know babies had such good memory. Second, wasn't Luke's (formerly Anakin's) light saber green? The one he was using to fight Obi-wan (which Obi-wan picked up) was blue wasn't it?

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They already started building the Death Star? So it eventually took them 20 years to complete it? But then it only took them maybe a year or 2 to build an even bigger one later?

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Dont you know anything? They were able to build the ROTJ one faster because they used "Independent Contractors".
 

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Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 05-21-2005, 07:06 PM:
 
Remember though the RotJ one wasn't finished. It's main weapon was operational but it was still barely half complete.

But yeah, the time is still messed up.
 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 05-21-2005, 09:17 PM:
 

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Dont you know anything? They were able to build the ROTJ one faster because they used "Independent Contractors".

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If Yoda and Obi Wan were trying to hide Luke from Vader, why didnt Obi Wan request that Luke NOT carry the name SKYWALKER....Leia didnt. Shouldnt he have been Luke Lars?

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I would have liked if a little more time was spent on Anakin turning to the dark side instead of one second he's good and the next second he's turned.

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I completely agree with that statement. It makes no sence that he would go from questioning "everyones" motives to obeying the emperor's commands and killing without any hesitation or after thought. Also if his plan (as spoken to Padme) was for him to kill the emperor and rule the empire, he sure as hell took his sweet ass time as 20 years later not only is he still just an apprentice, but he is not even as powerful as the emperor. After all the whining about not wanting to wait to be a jedi master, he must have learned some kind of patience after donning the mask.

The General Grievous character was not as bad as I thought it was going to be when I first heard of him. Though it would have been nice to have had his humanoid form in episode 2 instead of creating him out of thin air for this last movie.

The only continuity issues that have really bothered me, is that in Episode 4, Vader is more or less third in command behind Govenor Tarkin (who should have gotten at least some screen time in Revenge). Also some of the other generals didnt seem to have that much respect for Vader "you old sorcerer and your acient religion" as if they didnt really know anything or have any respect for the force (they were of course old enough to be alive during the republic and Jedi councel) let alone their own emperor being a Sith. It alway seemed to me that Lucus didnt make the emperor a sith until "Empire" similar to the Jabba the Hut thing where the character was a human until Jedi. So anyway I always had more of a problem with the continuity between New Hope and Empire than with the new movies.

Anyway anyone else notice any "easter eggs"? The only thing I noticed was the Millennium Falcon landing in a wide shot near the beginning (the scene right after they "land" General Grievous' ship).
 

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Posted by Frank Dubrois (Member # 3042) on 05-22-2005, 11:33 AM:
 
Why would his name have Luke Owen? Isnt his uncles name Owen Lars, or is it Lars Owen? I remember him yelling for Uncle Owen, Aunt Beru....I just assumed they were being called by their first names...I'm no Star Wars nerd, so I wouldnt know for sure.
 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 05-22-2005, 12:56 PM:
 
You are right, I was confused. I know someone who has a name similar to Lars Owen, that swapped the first and last name in my mind. So it should have been Luke Lars after all.
In any case, hiding him under his true name on Anakin's home planet is probably the worst idea imagineable. Vader may have been made to think that "in his anger", he killed the mother, still, did he never check for himself and try to find his child(ren)? Is there no such thing as a galactic phone directory?
 

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Posted by Frank Dubrois (Member # 3042) on 05-22-2005, 01:33 PM:
 
There are a lot of personal "Associations" that arent addressed. Yoda and Chewbacca good friends? (why couldnt yoda see or sense chewbacca was in trouble on the cloud city when luke could) in Empire Strikes Back? Anakin/Darth and the two droids..he can't remember? Obi-Wan didnt know the two droids in Episode IV when he first met luke. It just re-enforces my idea that George didnt have a "grand vision" after all, but rather made it up as he went along.

By the way...who IS the strongest using the force? Anakin? Got beat by Obi-Wan. Emperor? Ultimately gets overthrown by Darth. Mace? Gets killed by Anakin and Emperor. Yoda? Lost the fight to the Emperor and goes into seclusion. Luke? Hand cut off by Darth.

If Anakin wasnt given Master status by the counsel, why did several people in the movie refer to him as Master Jedi?

GEORGE.......ITS THE LITTLE THINGS THAT MAKE THE MOVIE!!!
 

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Posted by Sam Graham (Member # 2889) on 05-22-2005, 03:39 PM:
 
CINEMA: Century 20 Jordan Creek, West Des Moines, IA
AUDITORIUM: 11
PRESENTATION: Dolby Digital/THX ("The Science of Sensation"?!?)
PRESENTATION PROBLEMS: Slightly shaky picture
RATING: Two stars (out of four)

WARNING: Spoilers dead ahead! Aye

I saw the original on December 25, 1977, at the Coliseum Theatre in Ketchikan, Alaska. It was my Christmas present to my dad...taking him to see Star Wars. Not a bad present from an eleven year old, I thought. I have to this day never seen "The Empire Strikes Back", or "Return of the Jedi". I have seen the prequels.

The original was a spectacular campy adventure that harkened back to the serial matinee adventures of the fifties. That's what Lucas was shooting for, and he delivered in spades. That's also what's responsible for the "wooden" acting still dominant in the prequels. It's a tribute to cheap 50's sci-fi.

"Star Wars" is taken far too seriously by many, and the most guilty of this is Lucas himself. The prequels drag the whole concept down under their own weight. This one is no different. This is a bad soap opera hidden under lairs and lairs of action sequences which, at least this time, don't have any scenes that look like they were directly ripped off from "Galaxy Quest" (see the stampy thingies in "Attack of the Clones").

Here's my biggest problem with this one..."She's lost her will to live". WHAT?!? Padme loses her will to live over her husband joining the dark side? A woman's will to live is not defined by a man...It's defined by her children. Even with all the other crap going on, being presented with her newborn twins should have SAVED Padme.

Is this the best of the prequels? Absolutely. Does that mean I want to see it again? Absolutely NOT.

Two stars to the new THX "Science" trailer too. Bring back "Cimarron".

[ 05-22-2005, 07:01 PM: Message edited by: Sam Graham ]
 

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Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 05-22-2005, 06:04 PM:
 
..even though Lucas announced of this being his last large scale production and that the circle is complete, Lucas (or someone), really need to add the three episodes after VI - to see what Luke and Leia do after the era of the "Empire" and the rebuilding of the Jedi.

(Wonder if Spielberg is thinking of this to help his buddy George out..lol. Time for Spielberg to get back into the chair in making his verions of the "space cowboy" movies)

-Monte
 

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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 05-22-2005, 06:17 PM:
 
Regal Cinema World 8 in Eugene, House #3, 1:00PM today. Attendance maybe 125 in a 480-seat house. The presentation of the feature was excellent; a couple rough edges in the trailers though. Image-wise this looked WAY better than Episode 2. They opened up the masking after the flat rolling stock so everyone got to see the screen get bigger for the previews (of which there were 1 or 2 too many). Woo hoo!

A couple observations about the sound:

The trailers were playing in digital sound, and a couple of them really showed off the subwoofers. So did the Regal Roller Coaster. Very deep and powerfull. But there was almost a total lack of deep bass during the entire feature. There was some noticeable here and there but overall the low end was very reserved. WTF was up with that?

Also, during reel 6, there was a subtle but noticeable "reverb" in the dialog. Not real bad, but it was there for the entire reel, and only that reel.

On to the movie... It kicks ass! I loved it. Episode 3 is like several orders of magnitude better than 1 & 2 were for me. The narrative drew me into the story this time like the previous 2 movies didn't. I'm not a Star Wars geek so I can't pick out any faults in the plot. The broad strokes fell together perfectly for me and on that basis I give this a 4.5 out of 5, which is about as high as any movie gets from me.
 

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Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 05-22-2005, 06:37 PM:
 
I enjoyed the film. It played better the second time around for sure, but I did have some issues with it (Leia's memories of Padme, loss of will to live, etc.). I too also felt the soundmix was lacking compared to EP I and II. I think I figured it out: Gary Rydstrom wasn't involved with this one, was he?

AJG
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 05-22-2005, 06:48 PM:
 
My understanding is that the "grand scale" that Lucas had plotted out since the beginning went no further than the political upheaval and downfall of the Republic. Specific plotlines with Anakin or Obi-Wan were only vaguely outlined things like "fought in Clone Wars".

Characters like Padmé and Qui-Gon and General Grievous were invented when the screenplays themselves were executed, most likely. And I doubt Lucas would claim that they existed since the early eighties, let alone 1977.

If Episodes 7, 8, and 9 stories are ever going to be told, it's going to be like the Clone Wars animated series. Besides, if anyone wants to know what happens to Luke, Leia, and Han, there are tons of books (many, many tons) that go into the continuing stories. I never read them, and I know they're not "officially" part of Star Wars chronology (but some refuse to accept these prequels as official either), but they're something. All I know is that Han and Leia name one of their children Anakin at some point.
 

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Posted by Frank Dubrois (Member # 3042) on 05-22-2005, 08:45 PM:
 
As much as I love the original trilogy, I would NOT want George to go back and ruin that for me. I wish he wouldnt have made these 3 crap-fest movies. Even though the idea was GREAT, he really screwed it up. It just seems that no one around him had the balls to say, "George, that idea really sucks ass..how about we try it THIS was."

The "humor" in all 3 movies was way off. Reminded me of the stale presentation of one liners that Brendon Fraiser gave us in the mummy movies. Basically...."here's a funny line, read it verbatim and they will laugh".

THANKS GEORGE!
 

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Posted by Brad Allen (Member # 470) on 05-22-2005, 11:03 PM:
 
Part of the reason the first (originals) 3 were so good, was the casting. The casting in the last 3 has just plain sucked.
 

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Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 05-23-2005, 02:42 AM:
 
I saw it Friday 3x at a theatre with DTS6 (no dropouts! Fantastic 4 trailer wouldn't play in DTS there either, though) wandering in & out of the house, looking out the porthole, etc. while doing some other stuff.

I thought it had some things in it that were very intelligent: like killing off early the character that had the only actor doing a good job in the movie. Like in the previous movies, I think 80% of the casting $$ should have gone to Christopher Lee. With a little bit of promise at the beginning, it looks like he knows what to do with slightly dumb dialogue & makes it fun: "The greater the pride...(minuscule smirk) the greater the fall." Yay for someone who knows what he's doing & how to make something work. If EVERYBODY had played it like a James Bond movie, it could have been fun, instead of having the leaden, embarassing performances & readings of a college production of Hamlet.

quote: John Walsh

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A friend of mine made the point that (it seems) George only gives his actors the minimum amount of information to do a scene. This causes their acting to be sort of wooden.

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quote: Mike Blakesley

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Lucas has said the acting that we might consider "wooden" is actually a style from the 1940 and 50s.

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Lucas is trying to call the genre of wooden performances a legitimate acting style. 40s & 50s performances that are good aren't lead window weights like Charlton Heston's. Hell, Bogart underplayed & didn't come off like these bohunks. LOTS of actors underplayed, not poorly-played like this.

The CGI annoyed the hell out of me. Light never coming from the right direction, never changing on objects as they moved around, etc. There was a shot with R2D2 following Anakin just before he massacres a bunch of space critters (just before he says 'wait here, R2', or something like that), & the features on the front of the CGI R2D2 jitter up & down as he rolls. There was another wide shot of a hangar or something with a tiny R2D2 rolling around through it that looked like someone was just moving a painted cel of R2D2 over the glass of the port.

A lot of it was so flat & nonsensical as far as light, shape, etc., that it made me think of how well it would have been done with models earlier. The idea seemed to be: if it doesn't add up, just stick more crap in there.

It looks like they realized that the more tiny crap they've got going on in the scene the less likely folks can notice incongruities like light not changing or making sense. The only thing to do is give up early & just look at it like it's a big, moving comic book.

Fast cutting helps to mask observation of artifacts, as anyone who's looked at showroom TV set demos has found out.

A lot of it seemed to be just desire to put in good, dramatic shots, most of which are stolen. Hey, didn't we see that in Dune? Hey, isn't that Oz again? Blade Runner! It dosen't look like homage to me, but a lot of steals to stick between the mechanicals.

Physics just were awful. The CGI people just fling stuff around without inertia or weight: little CGI people doing tumbling are terrible, but their reference is probably the way things move in computer games again. It gives you so much respect for the WB cartoon artists who animated Road Runner cartoons for making stuff outsize yet plausible.

Speaking of WB cartoons, am I the only one that thought some of those evil robots looked MIGHTY familiar?



Mostly I was giggling & trying not to be heard so as not to offend the ticket-holders. Towards the end, when the emperor tells Darth Vader that his little monkey pumpkin babydoll is dead, it sounded like he screamed: "STELLLLLAAAAAA!!!!"

The guy playing the emperor had about 3 ways of doing things. Such a low-effort bad guy caricature. Crumbs, what Christopher Lee, David Warner, or a bunch of other good actors could have done with the role. As it was, the next step is just to have Ford Sterling laughing evilly.

The stock evil laugh was intelligently placed over the flinging to the floor of the stuffed Yoda (whose internal organs & skeleton apparently weigh no more than straw). The evil laugh from the screen effectively masked the laughs coming from different spots in the audience.

The scene where Darth Vader gets his name seemed perfunctory & dumb to me, too. While thinking, "Well, what that mean?", what flashed into my mind was the scene in 'Animal House' where John Belushi is giving the pledges their new names "From now on, you're name is, uh, Pinto." "Why?" "(Massive belch) WHY NOT?!"

The step up from light saber battles is fake lightning bolts coming from fingers & both folks making faces like the stupid ending in Roger Corman's 'The Raven'? It was screamingly funny!

I looked out the porthole at one point, & there was Ewan McGregor, one of the best actors of our time, riding around on a giant green chicken. His acting skills failed him, as he looked embarassed. Later, it turned out he was riding around on a big lizard that had a giant green chicken head. An usher rightly pointed out that it looked more like something from He-Man. Come on, Skeletor, punch this thing up!

All in all, if you hadn't seen all this guff before, like with the 1st Star Wars, it moved, had wooden performances, & was a high-budget version of a fun, cheap programmer. As a popcorn movie, certainly better than Gladiator! 3 3/4 stars out of 5 if you don't care or haven't seen it all before, & done better.

SPOILER ALERT: Great laugh early when Anakin cuts off Christoper Lee's arms above the wrists, kills him, then says, "I shouldn't have killed him. He was an unarmed prisoner."
 

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Posted by Paul Howard (Member # 1706) on 05-23-2005, 06:22 AM:
 
As an audience we have to suspend our disbelief even further than ever before for this film. Ignore our sense of taste, logic, reason and even physics, only then you can truly enjoy Episode 3.
 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 05-23-2005, 07:02 AM:
 
It was very easy to suspend your disbelief with the original trilogy. While there was a lot of technically and physically impossible stuff going on, everything looked very real, in my opinion the most important factor in what made these movies so fascinating.
In the new trilogy, nothing looks real. We do not get drawn into a fantasy world that has come tru on the big screen, we just sit there and stare at a lot of very unrealistic looking CGI.
William mentioned the very poor CGI lighting of many scenes. Another good example for that problem is the scene where they sit in that psychedelic water bubble opera house in the box and talk. There was next to no changing light reflection on the characters from those huge bubble things floating and constantly changing right in front of them.
 

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Posted by Paul Howard (Member # 1706) on 05-23-2005, 08:56 AM:
 
Exactly what i mean Michael!

The magic, the fantasy and the dazzlement of what you see has been replaced by very soft, badly lit, shadowed and perspected CGI
What a shame when we were all dazzled and amazed by somthing much simpler many years ago.
 

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Posted by Frank Dubrois (Member # 3042) on 05-23-2005, 11:59 AM:
 
I heard that the movie "Radioland Murders" was actually the test bed for all the CGI based effects in the new prequels. Its been a long time since I saw that movie, but I dont remember rolling my eyes at the horrible fake effects there...why? There was a story there...

I think we've all been spoiled with the "Here's how it's done" documentaries. We know those planets and creatures dont exist, so we are more critical of the effects. I think this is why magicians dont tell people how they do their tricks. Its also why the original series was so much better....even though they used models and people in costumes to play monsters, we knew that we were looking at a solid object waslking around a REAL set interacting with the other actors. This last set of movies, very little was real...and instead of putting us in aww of a strange new world...we were looking at the screen yelling "Hey look at that CGI alien in the CGI pod racing across that CGI landscape." Any surprise why people dislike the Special Edition of the old trilogy?? Too much CGI went into it. Next time George makes a Special Edition, perhaps he could just put a whole bunch of deleted scenes back in... I've seen some of them, and they werent as bad as he thinks.
 

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Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 05-23-2005, 05:25 PM:
 

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Obi-Wan didnt know the two droids in Episode IV when he first met luke.

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We know those planets and creatures dont exist, so we are more critical of the effects. I think this is why magicians dont tell people how they do their tricks. Its also why the original series was so much better....even though they used models and people in costumes to play monsters, we knew that we were looking at a solid object waslking around a REAL set interacting with the other actors. This last set of movies, very little was real...and instead of putting us in aww of a strange new world...we were looking at the screen yelling "Hey look at that CGI alien in the CGI pod racing across that CGI landscape."

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quote: Michael Schaffer

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But the way Alec Guiness played his role during the first encounter with the robots made it very clear that he had never seen them before, but instantly understood that their coming to him had a great significance. It also seems from the way she addresses him in the holo-message, that Leia knows Kenobi quite well.

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okay dave, what's your take on leia talking about her mother at the end of Jedi. Who the heck was she talking about?

How does killing the emperor at the end of Jedi suddenly make Vader okay in the eyes of the force? Isn't killing your master what every good Sith is supposed to do?

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If you're hovering over a river of lava you'd be toast. You wouldn't need to wait until you fell on the lava river bank to burst into flames.

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quote: Greg Mueller

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There's no air in space, so aerodynamic flight is not possible, Opening up wings and spoilers and flaps makes no difference when you go into attack.

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quote: Greg Mueller

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Also because there is no air, when things come loose from your ship, they are not swept away, they just continue along with the ship unless the are propelled away by an external force

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quote: Greg Mueller

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Maybe physics doesn't work the same in a galaxy far far away?

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quote: Pravin Ratnam

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I sat in the 5th row or so and didn't see any pixelation despite being so close to the screen.

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Pravin - you need glasses!

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It's too bad they don't teach physics in Hollywood High Schools.

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quote: Michael Schaffer

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What I meant is the actual design. At least to my eyes, the design does not have much to do with the design world we saw in the original trilogy. Obviously, I did not expect to see the same things, because these prequels take place at an earlier time and in some different places, but for me, the general feel of the design does not match the world we saw before even remotely.

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quote: Bobby Henderson

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Ultimately the area where they fail just a bit is in not having faith that some well designed effects shots with not quite so many objects will satisfy fans just fine. This is where the importance of graphic design, shot composition, visual dynamics, what ever you want to call it will pay off. I still get a thrill watching the opening shot of "Star Wars" (Ep IV) with the Blockade Runner flying into frame and being pursued by that huge Star Destroyer. That's just two spaceships flying above a planet. Very simple, yet very dynamic. A few really cool looking objects will do just as good as many thousands of already familiar looking ones.

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The same also goes for people and action. The picture below is from "Return of the Jedi" (as if I would need to tell anyone), in my opinion one of the strongest and most concentrated moments in the original trilogy - indeed, as far as I am concerned, in movie history. The moment when Luke and Vader clash for the last time has all the visual and athmospheric power needed for a key scene in the trilogy when the fate of the two main characters fulfills itself. The action of the characters, the setting they are in, the textless humming choral music - look how simply yet effectively it was done. Very strong and expressive stuff, the stuff that myths are made of. Then look at the jump-and-run-video-game-bullshit that Anakin's and Obi-Wan's duel is.

 

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Posted by Martin Brooks (Member # 1269) on 05-31-2005, 09:47 PM:
 
I liked the film a lot better than most of you. I think that many are critical because it’s ‘hip’ to hate George these days. The audience that I saw the film with loved it. Since we already know most of these characters and the storyline, it would be impossible for this film to have the same effect on us as the originals.

Having said that, there were certain things that bothered me:
- As someone else stated, when the platform falls on Obi-Wan and his body is moved, the CGI is terrible (actually, I don’t think this was CGI – looked like a miniature to me) – it looks like a little toy doll.
- Several times in the fight with General Grievous at the beginning of the film, the movement of the ship (presumably when hit by a missile) looks like bad camera shake.
- Natalie Portman can be a great actress (“Closer”), but she was absolutely terrible in this movie. I’m sure this was partly because of George’s poor direction and partially due to working blue screen (or green screen) although most of her poor acting was in scenes with Christensen.
- I actually liked Hayden Christensen’s portrayal, even though he played almost exactly the same character in Shattered Glass. But there were definitely certain key lines that were delivered too passively to make any sense.
- I thought Samuel Jackson was fine, even though he seemed angry most of the time. (More on the anger of the Jedi below).

After seeing this film, I went back and watched the original trilogy (original versions) and found a fair number of plot holes throughout the series, some of which have already been mentioned by others:

Episode III: If anger and fear lead to the dark side, why does Yoda look so angry in each of his “fights”? Why does Obi Wan smile when he kills all the droids in the elevator?
Episode III: If the Jedi can feel changes in the Force and can “search their feelings”, how come they don’t know that Palpatine is the Sith Lord?
Episode III: In an early scene, the Sith Lord already looks like he has the effects of the electrical charges that deform his face later in the film.
Episode III: Why does Darth swear his allegiance to the Emperor even after Padame dies? The biggest reason given for turning to the dark side was to save her life. It’s no longer an issue once she’s dead.
Episode III and later: If Chewbacca works with Yoda to fight the Empire, how come this role is never mentioned in Episodes IV-VI? Does this mean that Chewbacca was hiding his role in the battles from Han Solo?
Episode III-IV: At the end, instructions are given to erase C3POs memory, which explains why he can’t tell Luke in Episode IV what has transpired before. But R2D2 knows everything that happened previously. How come R2D2 doesn’t retell it to C3PO, who can then tell Luke?
Episode IV: I believe there’s at least one scene where Vader sees R2D2 and C3PO. How come he doesn’t recognize at least C3PO, since he built him as a child.
Episode IV: Both the Emperor and Darth Vader “know” that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker. But when the name of Luke Skywalker first comes up, neither brings up the possibility that Luke is Vader’s son. Is Skywalker such a common name in that galaxy?
Episode IV: How does Obi Wan know that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker? Same for Yoda in Ep V. At the end of Ep III, he thinks Anakin is dead.
Episode IV: What purpose does Obi Wan’s “suicide” serve? He doesn’t become “more powerful” as he tells Darth Vader he would be.
Episode IV: Vader tells Obi Wan, “You shouldn’t have come”. Why doesn’t he say, “where have you been for the last 20 years?” or “I’m going to kill you for almost burning me to death”?
Episode IV: What is Darth Vader’s motivation for his actions? It’s never expressed. It can’t be to oppose the Jedi or Obi Wan because Obi Wan has been in hiding for at least 20 years and there are no other Jedi, except for Yoda, who isn’t mentioned in Ep IV. Is it to bring order to the Empire? But the only disorder is a small band of rebels. Why does this small band of rebels require the construction of the Death Star? Episode III does a good job of explaining how Anakin became Vader, but Episode IV does not ever explain what Vader now wants.
Episode IV: A more minor quibble, but why does Leia wear her hair like Padame does (with the rolls on the side of her head.) She never knew her mother and I don’t remember anyone else in any of the films wearing that style.
Episode V and VI: In Ep V, Yoda insists that Luke not help his friends, but complete his Jedi training instead. Yet when Luke returns in Ep VI to complete his training, Yoda tells him that his training is complete. Similarly, Vader keeps telling Luke that Obi Wan has taught him well, but Luke had no further training from Obi Wan between the two fights with Vader.
Episode VI: Chewbacca tells the blind Han Solo that Luke is now a Jedi Knight. But later in the episode, Yoda first informs Luke that he is a Jedi.
Episode VI: Leia tells Luke she remembers her mother, but in episode III, Padame dies in childbirth. I don’t buy Dave Williams’ explanation of this, that Leia just remembered a ‘feeling’, since she has The Force.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 05-31-2005, 10:09 PM:
 
Ya'll are a bunch of DORKS!!!

Seriously though, this is why movies should always be made in order.
 

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Posted by Mike Olpin (Member # 1115) on 05-31-2005, 11:46 PM:
 
Had they been made in order, Episode 2 would never have been green-lit.
 

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Posted by Michael Gonzalez (Member # 593) on 06-01-2005, 12:16 AM:
 
My turn to answer some questions

quote: Martin Brooks

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If the Jedi can feel changes in the Force and can “search their feelings”, how come they don’t know that Palpatine is the Sith Lord?

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quote: Martin Brooks

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Why does Darth swear his allegiance to the Emperor even after Padame dies? The biggest reason given for turning to the dark side was to save her life. It’s no longer an issue once she’s dead.

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quote: Martin Brooks

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Both the Emperor and Darth Vader “know” that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker. But when the name of Luke Skywalker first comes up, neither brings up the possibility that Luke is Vader’s son. Is Skywalker such a common name in that galaxy?

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quote: Martin Brooks

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How does Obi Wan know that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker? Same for Yoda in Ep V. At the end of Ep III, he thinks Anakin is dead.

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quote: Martin Brooks

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What purpose does Obi Wan’s “suicide” serve? He doesn’t become “more powerful” as he tells Darth Vader he would be.

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Vader tells Obi Wan, “You shouldn’t have come”. Why doesn’t he say, “where have you been for the last 20 years?” or “I’m going to kill you for almost burning me to death”?

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quote: Martin Brooks

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What is Darth Vader’s motivation for his actions? It’s never expressed. It can’t be to oppose the Jedi or Obi Wan because Obi Wan has been in hiding for at least 20 years and there are no other Jedi, except for Yoda, who isn’t mentioned in Ep IV. Is it to bring order to the Empire? But the only disorder is a small band of rebels. Why does this small band of rebels require the construction of the Death Star? Episode III does a good job of explaining how Anakin became Vader, but Episode IV does not ever explain what Vader now wants.

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quote: Martin Brooks

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Chewbacca tells the blind Han Solo that Luke is now a Jedi Knight. But later in the episode, Yoda first informs Luke that he is a Jedi.

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Luke was passing himself off as a jedi to everyone at the beginning of EP6 (to try to intimidate Jabba?) even though he didn't think he really was. Besides Yoda told him that his training would not be complete until he faced Vader a second time (and kill him). So technically Luke wasn't really a Jedi Knight until the very end of the movie.

I guess that is all for now. Hey I am a computer tech now. I am suppose to be a geek with no life.

 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-01-2005, 12:16 AM:
 
Here are your answers:

• Because Georgey thinks it looks cool. Just 'cause.
• Because George does not know how to write.
• He does? It was hard to tell from the pirated version I watched. I can't believe Lucas would allow his pirated movies to look so bad. I thought quality sight and sound were his mantra. I will never pirate another George Lucas movie again, that ass!
• Because the Emperor would have made fun of Vader and told everyone about his "Nooooooooooooooooo!" yell which was extremely, umm, yeah.
• George included Chewbacca so the fans would think his movie is cool. Plot holes do not concern him.
• R2-D2 is a known retard. I thought they told them to erase both their memories.
• Because George did not actually have the whole storyline in his head when he made the original Star Wars. Contrary to what he has said, he made most of it up as he went along, from movie to movie. The only thing he had were vague ideas. I don't even think that he thought Vader was Luke's dad when he made Star Wars.
• The Emperor wasn't in Episode IV ya goon!
• Do not question George. He will have you killed. He likes killing people.
• Liam Neeson tought Obi GYN how to appear and chat with people after death. So Ben gives it all up so he can follow Luke around, spy on him when he's naked and talk to him and give him guidance.
• Or better yet, why didn't Vader whine and cry and say "I haaaaatteee you!!!"?
• He is compensating for his small, burnt off penis.
• This was done for the fans, all of whom are idiots and should be killed. Slowly. The fans say "OMG she is wearing her hair like Leia OMG she is Leia's mom oh that's so cool LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!"
• Because Yoda is lazy and would rather die than deal with whiny Mark Hamill, who only wants power converters. Whininess must run strong in his family. Also, his sister is a bitch in Episode IV.
• What the hell does Chewbacca know? He's an old fart, like Ben Kenobi.
• Because George did not have the story about how Padme dies in mind. The only other explanation is that she still thought of Jimminy Smit's wife as her real mom, and she kicked the bucket soon after the adoption.

quote: Brad Miller

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this is why movies should always be made in order.

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quote: Michael Gonzalez

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Yoda told him that his training would not be complete until he faced Vader a second time (and kill him). So technically Luke wasn't really a Jedi Knight until the very end of the movie.

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I liked the film a lot better than most of you. I think that many are critical because it’s ‘hip’ to hate George these days. The audience that I saw the film with loved it. Since we already know most of these characters and the storyline, it would be impossible for this film to have the same effect on us as the originals.

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quote: Martin Brooks Both the Emperor and Darth Vader “know” that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker. But when the name of Luke Skywalker first comes up, neither brings up the possibility that Luke is Vader’s son. Is Skywalker such a common name in that galaxy?

As far as Vader's concern I dont remember Luke's name coming up at all in EP4. Luke only becomes known to Vader inbetween EP4 and EP5 as the name of the man who blew up the Death Star would become known. Then Vader becomes obsessed with finding Luke.

quote: Martin Brooks How does Obi Wan know that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker? Same for Yoda in Ep V. At the end of Ep III, he thinks Anakin is dead.

I am pretty sure that it would be easy for Obi Wan to keep tabs on the going ons as far as the Empire is concerned. At the very least there has to be some version of a press.

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This pisses me off. Why does Luke have to go through so much shit to become a Jedi? He's got to face Vader twice and kill his dad. What did Samuel L. Jackson have to do to become a Jedi? How about Anakin? I bet they didn't have to do crazy crap like that.

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quote: Joe Redifer

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R2-D2 is a known retard. I thought they told them to erase both their memories.

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At the end of EpIII, that one guy who's giving the droids to that other guy says, "Have the protocol droid's mind wiped." Meaning C3PO. R2D2's memory is not erased.

What's not clear is, why doesn't R2 tell C3PO about what he knows sometime in the next 18 years? Jeez, maybe he is a retard.

{Edit to fix typo...I hate typos]

[ 06-01-2005, 06:56 PM: Message edited by: Mike Blakesley ]
 

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Posted by Kevin Wale (Member # 1851) on 06-01-2005, 05:18 PM:
 
No, he doesn't tell 3PO anything ever because he knows 3PO is the retard. Just like in EPIV... R2 gets 3PO in the escape pod by telling him nothing of what is going on. 3PO then shuts him self off when R2 plays the message for Obi Wan and therefore doesn't even know who R2 is talking about when "He keeps repeating she's here."

And yes, Bail tells Captain Antillies to have the protocol droid's mind wiped.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-01-2005, 09:16 PM:
 
Is Bail's last name "Orgasma" like Leia's?
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 06-02-2005, 03:40 AM:
 
Ok you Star Wars gurus, answer these points.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 06-02-2005, 04:41 AM:
 
There's never any arguing with Maddox! That's the best page in the universe for a reason. His analysis of the Matrix movies are also impeccable.
 

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Posted by Kevin Wale (Member # 1851) on 06-03-2005, 05:59 PM:
 
Maddox gripes about every single thing that exists. If I was as cynical and negative as he is I'd probably have killed myself by now. He gets his jollies by acting like he is cooler than everyone because he knows that secure people in life could really care less what he thinks anyway.

Oh, I'm so ashamed now that Maddox thinks I'm a nerd... wah.

Really, I'd like to see him put his money where is mouth is just once and really do a better job at than what he is griping about. There are critics, those who critique because they have done something cool and want to help someone, and those who are just out there doing something.

I think Dreamworks animated films are weak compared to Pixar but you know what... I couldn't make one of those a third as cool as Robots and they sure do get to do something they love for a living, and make a good one while thier at it. Must suck to be them.

Sure Star Wars has flaws but it has had flaws from day one. I mean, come on... a trash monster on a space station? How'd it get there, by tie fighter? lol
 

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Posted by Jeremy Jorgenson (Member # 2989) on 06-03-2005, 11:07 PM:
 
It was an evil space station... evil space stations have monsters... duh.
 

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Posted by Mike Spaeth (Member # 524) on 06-04-2005, 01:58 AM:
 
Are we still arguing the more intricate delicacies of Star Wars?

I've seen it ... it's decent ...
 

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Posted by William Leland III (Member # 1400) on 06-04-2005, 03:42 PM:
 
what i didn't like was the droids having feelings and broken english. when r2d2 is hiding from the bad droids in the begining, the bad droids hear obi won asking r2d2 stop the elavator. one droids asks "what was that". the other repsonds "nutting over there". or something stupid. these are droids, broken english shouldn't be part of their programing, after all Data from star trek can't use contractions.

what was up with a general antroid grevious. he was just stupid and giving him organs, can anyone explain that? what the dark side corupted him?

when yoda tells obi won he knows away to talk to liam nelsons character, yoda gets the idea from the emporer. the emporer tells anakin there is a way to stop death. this is what yoda means. the first time we see obi won "dead" is in "Empire strikes back". meaning yoda taught obi won away to come back to live. threw the force.

i also questioned the leia remembering her mother, but dave's comment made sense. but how is luke growing up with anakin's brother. that makes no sense. we all know anakin was born by the force. makes no sense.

i have a theory about anakin being born by the force. when the emporer tells anakin that there was a powerful sith lord who taught him the ways of the dark side. emperor tells anakin about the stopping of death and creating life. so my theaory is the evil sith lord went to some plant and wanted to have an offspring. so he finds this chick waves his magic force thing and creates anakin. he wanted to have an offspring, knowing that the emperor would eventually kill him. hell maybe anakin in this sith lord reborn.
 

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Posted by Bernard Acero (Member # 3102) on 06-04-2005, 04:51 PM:
 
Watch Star Wars: Clone Wars. It picks up where Star Wars: Episode II: Attack of the Clones left off.
 

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Posted by Kevin Wale (Member # 1851) on 06-05-2005, 04:56 PM:
 

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when yoda tells obi won he knows away to talk to liam nelsons character, yoda gets the idea from the emporer. the emporer tells anakin there is a way to stop death. this is what yoda means. the first time we see obi won "dead" is in "Empire strikes back". meaning yoda taught obi won away to come back to live. threw the force.

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quote: William Leland III

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i also questioned the leia remembering her mother, but dave's comment made sense. but how is luke growing up with anakin's brother. that makes no sense. we all know anakin was born by the force. makes no sense.

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i have a theory about anakin being born by the force. when the emporer tells anakin that there was a powerful sith lord who taught him the ways of the dark side. emperor tells anakin about the stopping of death and creating life. so my theaory is the evil sith lord went to some plant and wanted to have an offspring. so he finds this chick waves his magic force thing and creates anakin. he wanted to have an offspring, knowing that the emperor would eventually kill him. hell maybe anakin in this sith lord reborn.

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It was an evil space station... evil space stations have monsters... duh.

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quote: Kevin Wale

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to Qui Gon... it's in the book, and a deleted scene.

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quote: Kevin Wale

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Owen is Anakin's step brother. Owen's dad, Klieg Lars, married Anakin's mother Shmi Skywalker. Hense Owen's line to Anakin in EP II "...I gues that makes me your step brother."

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quote: William Leland III

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so he finds this chick waves his magic force thing and creates anakin. he wanted to have an offspring

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Kevin, how can this be a deleted scene? did u read this some where. i believe u when u say it's in the book. the reason i put yoda gets the idea from Palpatine is becasue, he is able to feel what Palpatine is thinking.

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quote: William Leland III

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If they mentioned Klieg Lars in Episode II, i missed it. it
stills seam like a weak part in the story.

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quote: William Leland III

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I still like my idea about Darth Plageus creating Anakin. it brings more of the balance to the force. the irony is if evil Darth Plageus created evil Anakin, his job was to have "good" offspring and over throw evil Palpatine, killing the last evil power in the universe, which is what happens.

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Of course whether Plageus or Sidious created Anakin isn't spelled out for us unless it is in the book or a cut scene so you could be right. I for one think Plageus created Anakin as well and Sideous rode the coatails of his former master's brilliant takeover plan. Niether one of them created Anakin with the intent on bringing balance to the force. Whichever one created him it was to subvert the prophecy. Yet, when an event is designed to happen by whichever power dictates the flow of the univers, and it absolutely will happen... whatever you do, even if it's to keep it from happening, will in fact be the thing that brings it about or be totally insignificant alltogether.

Also, Anakin isn't created to be good or bad. He, like all of us, is a product of his environment. He is good until he loses all reason because of a dream that even he should have been able to see could have been a manipulation. The same cloud that hindered the Jedi council was manipulating his dreams. And, since he confided in that manipulator, plus the fact that his feelings were an easy read for that manipulator, Sideous would have no trouble conviniently staging the abduction of Shmi.

If he was created to be bad, then Sideous wouldn't need to go to such great lengths to seduce him. It just made his destiny a little more once sided since strings were being pulled even to his very creation.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 06-07-2005, 01:30 AM:
 
If I had "the force" I would use it to obliterate everyone who uses "u" when they mean "you." Geez I hate that.

OK, back 2 the d-b8.


 

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Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 06-08-2005, 01:15 AM:
 
How come these big-brained Jedi guys selected an obvious borderline personality to be "The Chosen One"?

And then of course, they deliberately messed with his head with that "we don't accept you" or whatever it was.

That would have been just the moment to shift gears into a Tarantino sci-fi movie.
 

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Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 06-08-2005, 02:18 AM:
 

quote: William Leland III

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I still like my idea about Darth Plageus creating Anakin. it brings more of the balance to the force. the irony is if evil Darth Plageus created evil Anakin, his job was to have "good" offspring and over throw evil Palpatine, killing the last evil power in the universe, which is what happens.

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Palpatine is not actually Palpatine. It was just an assumed identity. Sidious is as old as Yoda is, and Plageous was the sith lord who ruled the universe 800 years previously. Sidious killed him during the jedi uprising and then went into hiding on Degobah.

The medecloreans created anakin to destroy the sith lord sideous. Anakin eventually did that.

Ciao
 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 06-08-2005, 03:44 AM:
 
Assuming by Degobah you mena Dagobah, that would mean that he hid out on the same planet Yoda did later. If that is true, it would be even more idiotic than hiding Luke under his father's name on his father's home planet.
Man, why didn't Lucas hire some really good scriptwriters like he did for 5 and 6? Gosh!!
 

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Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 06-08-2005, 10:45 AM:
 
Vader and Sidious did not know the children survived. They would not know to look for them period, hence it was safe on tattoine as the Huts controlled the planet with little presence by the empire.

As for however the hell Degobah is spelled, yes, that is where Sidious would have been. It is a planet that is clouded with both sides of the force, and very hard it would be to sense anyone hiding there.

And to further my claim that Sidious is 900 years old like Yoda, at no time did anyone in the jedi order know of sidious's name, only his existence. However, when Yoda pays a visit to the new emporer he says... "...or should I say, Darth Sidious?" to which the emperor replys... "Master Yoda......Ive been waiting a long time for this..."

Yoda trained the knights of and created the jedi order, and led the uprising to destroy the sith. It was sidious who killed plageaus the wise in his sleep during the uprising and then fled to degobah to hide and refine his skills.

Taking several forms throughout the ages he eventually found himself able to conceal his true nature as the sith lord and was able to destroy the order that Yoda had created.

For every plot hole I have a bucket of plot plaster. You can point out how stupid Lucas is until you are blue in the face, which changes nothing. He has created the most successful film franchise in history and nothing will ever compare.

Yes we all would have liked them to be better. The problem is we are all comparing these to the original, and lets face it, that was a fluke.

You either like it or you don't, really simple. Those who don't like it are in two categories, the ones who dont care and the ones who want to point out to us how stupid we are for falling for this crap.

So how much harm will it do for anyone to fork out 10 bucks to see a film. About as much harm as filling your gas tank, or buying a gallon of milk and a box of apple jacks. You work for an hour and you too can spend it on whatever damn film you want, and someone somewhere will think you are stupid for doing it.

Star wars was a great film. It's follow up Empire was amazing and a cult phenomenon. Jedi was very good, but just didn't have the same impact that we had hoped that Empire had, however it did a very good job of finishing the story.

Then the prequels. Phantom was very good, not great, just very good. Clones seemed to drift with pointless story lines that had nothing at all to do with anything ever, just wasting time to get to the yoda saber fight.

Now to this review, Revenge of the Sith. I have now viewed this three times.

I will admit I was just stumped as to the enormous number of holes and crap and bad acting and jumping around. I was out there ripping it. It wasn't until the second viewing that it all actually hit. Then the third viewing just sealed the deal.

This is the third best of the six. It is very very good, not quite as great as the original and its follow up, but great in its own way. It even helped to make the last film feel like a distant memory. I was very impressed and will see it again.

I have as much star wars knowledge as any star wars geek and can take on any plot hole theories, however I have a job and like to get paid, so until I get paid for my version of events, I am done with this star wars crap.

How the hell did I get into this anyway? Oh yeah, I was a kid once and I liked experiencing a fantasy, as this was meant to be.

Yes it is a kids show, for kids of all ages. So instead of growing up, age down a bit and go have some fun. Let go of reality and don't have a stroke over it.

Ciao
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 06-08-2005, 03:51 PM:
 
Are you guys feeling ok? I hate to use the "n" word, but really, you guys are a bunch of NERDS!!!

In the spirit of Star Wars geeks around the world, I hereby dictate that all future non-review posts on this thread discussing various loopholes in the plot shall be written in Yoda'eze.
 

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Posted by Kevin Wale (Member # 1851) on 06-08-2005, 03:56 PM:
 
Great post David...

I love the depths of the story as much as any geek out there, but when I was a kid I didn't know a Dark Lord of The Sith from a hole in the ground. All I knew was that Darth Vader looked like a black Lamborghini on steroids and the bad dude from Conan did his voice.

It was just a fun set of movies. They captivated me and still do. That's why I want the original theatrical versions to be released on DVD with thier original mix(well, one of the original three mixes or the THX mix that combined the three very well) and the option of the 5.1 mix. I don't want cleaned up visuals, or any other money to be spent. Just package them up and send em out. lol

With that, Sith and Phantom both captured that feel that I was captivated by as a kid. Phantom felt grandoise and romantic(EPIV) and Sith felt dark and dirty (EPV). Clones is now my least fave of all of them because it was a bit too slick for the dark undertones happening. But, even at that, when Obi Wan jumped out the window and grabbed the droid... I thought, "That's what I've always envisioned a jedi in his prime being like..." Seeing them back at the farm was amazing and it being the worst of the six to me it's still very enjoyable.

Sure, George came out with a plothole or two... who doesn't? The fact is, he completed the story and so many things in the originals are even more powerful now than ever. All I want is to sit and enjoy the movies and if that's uncool... then I'm just uncool.

Oh, it's always funny to see someone make fun of another's spelling and mispell the very next word they type. LOL
 

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Posted by William Leland III (Member # 1400) on 06-08-2005, 05:58 PM:
 
despite what everyone says about Darth Plageus creating Anakin, i still hold to my theory. im glad that everyone else has an opinion or some fact to back their own idea.

most of the star wars books written are not of lucas's idea. they are written by other authors with their own ideas of how the story happend or what lead up to the events of 4,5,6 and after.

i never read any of them. the only one i read was by Alan Dean Foster, who wrote "Splinter of the Mind's Eye", which followed after "A New Hope". with that saying, foster had no idea what lucas wanted to do with the whole story, and this was the man (foster) who ghost wrote the first star wars.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-08-2005, 06:09 PM:
 
Oh come on Brad... if we weren't nerds we wouldn't be messing around with movie projectors.
 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 06-08-2005, 08:13 PM:
 
I didn't make fun of Dave's spelling, I just wanted to clarify that I understand what he means. There are a lot of unfamiliar names in these movies. If I wanted to make fun of somebody's spelling, you would be a far easier and more rewarding target, Kevin.
Nobody ever said that Lucas was stupid. He obviously is very intelligent and has achieved a lot in the film industry. We are just saying that he is not a very good writer and director. At one point, he agreed himself and hired people like Kasdan, Kershner etc. It is very unfortunate that he didn't do that this time. The success of the very first movie is his achievement, but the enormity of the success owes a lot to people like Ralph McQuarrie and his unparalleled producton design, Marcia Lucas who saved the movie in the editing room, and a lot of others, Frank Oz for instance who really brought Yoda alive, in contrast to the animation team for the prequels which didn't. This time around, lucas apparently is surrounded by a legion of yesmen, that is why the movies have so little substance - the problem is not so much with the story, but with the visuals - while the originals was an unbroken sequence of awesome shots.
But I am happy for those who like it anyway. I found the "Muppets in Space" movie far more convincing than any of the prequels.
 

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Posted by Jeremy Jorgenson (Member # 2989) on 06-09-2005, 12:53 PM:
 
'cmon... Gonzo is an alien? ... who'd buy that?
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 06-09-2005, 01:37 PM:
 

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Frank Oz for instance who really brought Yoda alive, in contrast to the animation team for the prequels which didn't.

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My wife is a certified NON Star Wars fan. But she watched this movie with me, twice, and actually enjoyed it. She said her favorite character was Yoda because you could really tell what he was thinking and feeling by watching his facial expressions, body movements, etc. So what does THAT tell you about the live actors?
 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 06-09-2005, 01:48 PM:
 
Did she see the original Yoda? I don't mean alive in the sense of "the character works and is fun to watch" - that works in many well done animation films - but I mean in the sense that he looked real.
In the context of this movie, I think you are right. Yoda is actually more interesting to watch than most of the actors. Hmm. Maybe that's what Lucas is trying to do..."look at live actors: they suck. Hayden, for instance. It is better if we animate all characters in all movies from now on." I can see a plot as sneaky and evil as Palpatine's.
 

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Posted by Kevin Wale (Member # 1851) on 06-09-2005, 08:21 PM:
 

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I didn't make fun of Dave's spelling, I just wanted to clarify that I understand what he means. There are a lot of unfamiliar names in these movies. If I wanted to make fun of somebody's spelling, you would be a far easier and more rewarding target, Kevin.

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I mean, how many Dagobahs can there be of any spelling?

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Ya know that sound R2-D2 makes ... that "wwaaaaaaooooooo!!!!!" sound? ... he made that exact same sound 7 or 8 times in a row within about a 20 minute timespan in the beginning of the movie.

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Yep, that's not even an exaggeration! I counted today. The opening rescue sequence up to the crash land contains seven of those R2 screams. And most of them were out of place. I was thinking, if they just kept one in, which one would be the most appropriate? And then I thought, WHAT!? This is stupid! Just turn the volume off!

And then I went back to building up Batman Begins: The IMAX Experience.
 

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Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 06-13-2005, 10:12 AM:
 
Here we go and I know everyone is going to criticise what I will say (you did that to everyone else!!)

Ok. Based on the techical aspect. Sound mixing was amazing. I watched it in all 3 formats (SR, SRD, DTS) and I have to say that each one had something unique. The secret of the success in sound mixing of this film is that Projectionists need to play the sound on 7.0 and nothing less otherwise the whole surround mixing issue flies away. Picture here in Cyprus was crap. We got prints with Greek titles at the beginning and greek scroll up text about what is going on which really f***ed up the whole presentation issue.

Now to the review.
I LOVED IT. That is because I am a Star Wars geek. The best of the 3 prequels and comparison with the originals can not be made because of the advancement of technology during the years. Imagine Return Of The Jedi using today's technology what could have been. I believe is wrong to compare them with the originals. Now. I found Natalie Portman to be to much of a chick rather than the self-relying strong e.t.c political leader of Naboo she supposedly was. Too much CGI in each scene leaving nothing blank in the background. I liked the humour in the film unlike most others in here. I especially loved the scene where Palpatine talks to Anakin during that concert or what ever it supposed to be. I was expecting a bit more Christopher Lee like most people in here and still there are some questions unanswered.
Here are some issues:
1. In the original series the Jedi's transformed into Ghosts when dying. Why when Qui Gon dies in Ep I he does not transform into a ghost but rather get's burned (don't tell me that Anakin also gets burned in Ep VI but still transforms into a ghost because in Ep IV and VI Obi Wan and Yoda respectively transform into ghosts or rather vanish). And why do Jedi's transform into ghosts and communicate through the all powerful force?
2. Obi Wan "speaks" to Luke in Ep V that he should be trained by Jedi Master Yoda, the jedi master who trained him. We know though that it was Qui Gon who trained Obi Wan in the all powerfull secrets of the mysterious force!
3. I do not support the idea that Darth Plageus the WISE was the creator of Anakin because the prophecy suggests that the ONE was created ONLY by midiclorians and not created by someone who could influence the midiclorians but then again this is not made clear. It seems that although he was a sith, Palpatines' description suggests him of being a good Sith! strangely (I love the small pause before Palpatine says .... LIFE).
4. The blending of the 3 prequels was good but still leaves some blank spots.
5. How long do Wookies live? It seems that Chewbaka has not aged a day from the prequels to the sequels (neither has Yoda but then again he is an almighty Jedi.... but..... so is Obi Wan!!).
6. How the heck did Anakin get that scar on his eye. I always wondered and still that was left unanswered.
7. Will there be an Episode 3.5 which will answer all fan questions and last for 12 long hours due to all the issues being left unanswered?
8. HOW Is a bloody lightsaber constructed? How do they get that colour mixing? (red, blue, green, purple)?
9. It takes almost 20 years from Ep III to EP IV but then again it takes almost 20 years from EP I to EP II. Still one question. Padme does not age a day. Anakin grows up. So we are talking about Anakin (20 years old) having an affair with at least a 40 year old woman who looks no older than 19. But then again the ALMIGHTY FORCE!!
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Posted by Jeremy Fuentes (Member # 2135) on 06-13-2005, 10:41 AM:
 

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Here we go and I know everyone is going to criticise what I will say (you did that to everyone else!!)

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Nobody criticized my review, but its probably because they know better!
 

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 06-13-2005, 12:09 PM:
 

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Picture here in Cyprus was crap. We got prints with Greek titles at the beginning and greek scroll up text about what is going on which really f***ed up the whole presentation issue.

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Century Orleans
Screen #6 - 2K DLP
Saturday, 2:40pm; $6.25

No need to comment on the movie itself. Just the presentation, which was almost flawless.

In two words: Very nice. Very nice indeed. Excellent picture size, geometry correction, and focus. Excellent focus flatness, both the lens and the lamp. The approx 60' slightly curved screen did have some minor blemishes, but other than that, things looked pretty good.

Did notice that the picture blacks looked a bit crushed (too low) to me, especially on some close-ups and tight two-shots of Anakin and Padme. Their faces ended up looking like they were almost in silhouette in those shots. Makes me wonder if the DP really wanted those shots to look like that.

Sound was at a comfortable level, perhaps a tad too low (!). Not the best EQ or stage channel matching I've ever heard during the dialog pans, but still quite good.

The only operational mar in this presentation was the switch to non-sync at the end came a little early, cutting off the last trailing off of the soundtrack music. I assume this could be fixed by editing a timecode entry for that cue?

Other than that I was quite impressed.

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Thanks Paul. The Century Orleans is one of the Kodak Digital Cinema sites. I'll pass your comments along to the Kodak Digital Cinema Team.
 

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Posted by Kevin Wale (Member # 1851) on 06-15-2005, 10:03 PM:
 

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1. In the original series the Jedi's transformed into Ghosts when dying. Why when Qui Gon dies in Ep I he does not transform into a ghost but rather get's burned (don't tell me that Anakin also gets burned in Ep VI but still transforms into a ghost because in Ep IV and VI Obi Wan and Yoda respectively transform into ghosts or rather vanish). And why do Jedi's transform into ghosts and communicate through the all powerful force?

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2. Obi Wan "speaks" to Luke in Ep V that he should be trained by Jedi Master Yoda, the jedi master who trained him. We know though that it was Qui Gon who trained Obi Wan in the all powerfull secrets of the mysterious force!

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3. I do not support the idea that Darth Plageus the WISE was the creator of Anakin because the prophecy suggests that the ONE was created ONLY by midiclorians and not created by someone who could influence the midiclorians but then again this is not made clear. It seems that although he was a sith, Palpatines' description suggests him of being a good Sith! strangely (I love the small pause before Palpatine says .... LIFE).

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4. The blending of the 3 prequels was good but still leaves some blank spots.

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5. How long do Wookies live? It seems that Chewbaka has not aged a day from the prequels to the sequels (neither has Yoda but then again he is an almighty Jedi.... but..... so is Obi Wan!!).

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6. How the heck did Anakin get that scar on his eye. I always wondered and still that was left unanswered.

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7. Will there be an Episode 3.5 which will answer all fan questions and last for 12 long hours due to all the issues being left unanswered?

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8. HOW Is a bloody lightsaber constructed? How do they get that colour mixing? (red, blue, green, purple)?

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Crystals. The color of the crystal determines the color of the blade. How do they do it? It's a movie... THEY DON'T. LOL It's a prop made from a camera flash.

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9. It takes almost 20 years from Ep III to EP IV but then again it takes almost 20 years from EP I to EP II. Still one question. Padme does not age a day. Anakin grows up. So we are talking about Anakin (20 years old) having an affair with at least a 40 year old woman who looks no older than 19. But then again the ALMIGHTY FORCE!!

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After all, there is only one Jedi which returns.

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We are pretty sure from George's comments here and there that the prophecy is somewhat vague

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quote: Even though everyone already knows what happens, PEOPLE WHO DON'T MARK SPOILERS ARE JERKS!

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As for the film it made me cry has this was the darkest episode and poor ole Anakin sealing his sole to the dark side just so he can save padmé and all that was once a good Jedi knight was all now lost in vane, watching the dual was the highlight in the film and Obi-wan cutting him up real badly and leaving Anakin for dead while getting burnt alive, I just had to look away, the PG-12 rating in the UK is spot on what did family’s think it going to be a happy ending this was dark and was the saddest moment in the film saga…

And that ending was just jaw dropping the twins born and the two suns setting in the horizon beautiful stuff.

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6. How the heck did Anakin get that scar on his eye. I always wondered and still that was left unanswered.

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Don't know. We know that they have had MANY adventures that are spoken about and of course assumed over the 15 or so years they have been together.

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8. HOW Is a bloody lightsaber constructed? How do they get that colour mixing? (red, blue, green, purple)?

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For the answer to this burning question, click HERE.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 07-13-2005, 03:10 PM:
 
A friend told me the colour of the lightsabers, is something to do with how wise they are something like that.

Though I can’t remember, I only like the sound mix and the score by John Williams, but I can find out about it again and then send the information, so be patient my young padawan.
 

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Posted by Kevin Wale (Member # 1851) on 07-14-2005, 01:45 PM:
 
Yeah, I think I mentioned crystals give it it's color in an earlier post. I believe that sort of information actually came from the role playing game technical books. Some of my friends and I used to spend hours raiding the death star or whatever back in high school. lol

The Wilhelm scream is all throughout EP III. Then there is of course the R2 scream that was tremendously overused... Sheesh. lol
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 07-14-2005, 02:48 PM:
 
Actual “The Wilhelm Scream” is only heard in reel #1 when one of those huge cannon laser guns, explodes on the spaceship “Wilhelm!”

Man it cracks me up when I hear it, dame funny too, http://hollywoodlostandfound.net/wilhelm/

The most I have heard “The Wilhelm Scream” in is “Willow” 1987 ace film that is…
 

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Posted by Max Einhorn (Member # 3364) on 10-02-2005, 09:49 AM:
 
Revenge of The Sith is an amazing film and deserves the $108 million
dollars it racked up last weekend. However, it could have been even better but
for the robotic acting of Hayden Christensen who plays Anakin Skywalker (who
later becomes Darth Vader).
Episode III, the final installment of what I now think of as the most amazing
saga of all time, begins three years into the clone wars. Anakin Skywalker
(Hayden Christensen), along with his Master Obi-wan Kenobi (Ewan
McGregor) is sent to seek out the leader of the droid army, Count Dooku
(Christopher Lee, now 73) and General Grievous (Matthew Wood) and rescue
the kidnapped Chancellor Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid). Later, Anakin learns that
Senator Padme Amidala (Natalie Portman), his wife, is pregnant and begins to
have nightmares that she does not survive childbirth. Chancellor Palpatine
draws Anakin to the dark side of the force, offering him the power with which
he may be able to save her life. Little does he know he will become twisted by
this power.
The special effects in this film are mystifying, whether it’s the lightsaber
duels or the many aliens that fill the screen. The General Grievous character
is an amazing computer generated image as is the cool komodo
dragon/chicken that Obi-Wan rides around on. Sith, we will, no doubt, see
your special effects crew earn honors come Oscar time
Ewan McGregor really shows how the acting should have been done in this
film. In fact, most of the actors are believable. Christensen, however, is
deadly. Throughout much of the movie he’s very dull and you almost have a
hard time watching him. Portman isn’t very good either, and I felt her character
was very limited. It seemed that all she did was wait around for Anakin. But at
least you can feel what Director George Lucas was attempting.
The Anakin character becomes very cruel and some of the things he does are
absolutely disturbing. If they would have cast someone better than
Christensen the movie would have been much more effective. Johnny Depp,
for example. Why not? He’s young, talented and could have made this
character as evil as he was supposed to be.
Episode III begins as a fun ride with a space battle, lightsaber duels, and even
some comic maneuvers from our buddy R2-D2. But then it slows down… until
Anakin is noticeably darker and evil. Then it’s a lot faster and becomes what
Star Wars is really about.
This film makes up for the last two, which were very disappointing.
Apparently it’s ok to be a fan again. Sith is the perfect transition between the
latest trilogy and the original three films in the series and clears up many of the
questions of the Star Wars saga. Let’s face it, we’ve been waiting for this film
and everyone needs to see it even if you have only seen one previous Star
Wars film. In the film one experiences the transformation of an innocent young
boy into a horrible tyrant who will kill thousands, even the ones he’s loved, in
order to achieve his goals. The war is over, but the Empire has begun. The
Saga is complete…
Rated PG-13 for sci-fi violence and some intense images. Running time 146
minutes.
 

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Posted by Kurt Zupin (Member # 2751) on 10-02-2005, 03:22 PM:
 
I guess I will be the first to ask Max where did you steal your reviews from?

quote: Max Einhorn

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Revenge of The Sith is an amazing film and deserves the $108 million
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