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Posted by Jared Thornton (Member # 3580) on 06-29-2006, 05:33 AM:

I had the chance to sit in on our press screening for this one.
First I must say that I'm one of the few people who did not like the original Pirates film [thumbsdown]

, I found it corny, pointless and completely un-original. So I went into this one expecting very little and that may explain why I enjoyed [Smile]

this one far more than the original. It moves along quite nicely with good action sequences, generous amounts of humor and fairly convincing special effects. Some of the dialogue and humor tend to lean heavily towards the 13 side of the PG-13 rating so be prepared for possible complaints from irate parents who hold us responsible for the films content. Overall all those who liked the original should be pleased with this one, just remember its only part two of three and as a result there are many ends left untied.

***minor spoiler***

Everyone from the original movie makes it back into this one in some form or fashion.
***end spoiler**

Posted by Michael Gonzalez (Member # 593) on 07-06-2006, 02:35 AM:

I actually didnt like this one as much as the first. Though I must admit that I didnt like the first one when I screened it but it did end up growing on me upon further viewings. So who knows maybe I will end up liking this one as well. In any event, I also agree that they got away with a lot for a PG-13 movie. I wonder if the Great Mouse Empire had anything to do with that. I do have to disagree with the good special effects. I noticed quite a bit of not so good CG work and damn did that crap code get annoying. The movie also should have been titled "Pirates of the Caribean: Dead Man's Chest Vol 1" as there is absolutely no resolution. Instead of going the "Back to the Future" route and making two distinct sequels, they took the "Kill Bill" approch and made one movie and divided it into two. I guess I will find out my final verdict next year. For now I will give it 2 1/2 out of 4.

Posted by Chris Hipp (Member # 1788) on 07-06-2006, 01:24 PM:

[sleep]

Posted by Phil Blake (Member # 2012) on 07-06-2006, 10:57 PM:

(Warning may contain spoilers)

Pirates of the Caribbean 2 had the makings of a very great film indeed. However it suffered from the same problems that I can relate back to Raiders of the lost Ark, it too was a great action adventure film that everyone loved and watched it time and time again, then came Temple of Doom, which sadly people watched once and forgot quickly, it got bogged down and failed to move forward quick enough. Pirates 2 has suffered the same problem.

I did enjoy Pirates 2, our favourite cast again, with great action scenes balanced with some comic moments and some very intense scenes. The music was dynamic and scenery was great, the film had a great feel to it.
A pity they made the mistake of trying too hard to make it bigger and better than the first film and ended up with a complicated adventure saga with dead spots and scenes of no relevance to the forward movement of the film.

The giant squiddy attack was fantastic, but we only needed one of them. Davey Jones (awesome make up) crew were also very good and very different but they went on too long as well as the Jamaican fortune teller and too much detail put into why each of the three need the Dead mans chest so badly. 120minutes would have been heaps to get the story out at a better pace.

Once again I received a very good print with sharp focus and natural colors, sound on DTS was some of the best I have heard.

3.5 out of 5 from me on this one.

The .5 bit for Keira (waiting for the Greco factor)

Posted by Matt Fields (Member # 3211) on 07-07-2006, 01:31 AM:

I kind of liked the first one, but I'm with Chris on this one. [puke]

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-07-2006, 01:38 AM:

It's nice to see a bright picture again after the dark and murky (for the most part) Superman Returns.

We are almost sold out for our midnight show, so based on that I love this movie already! [Big Grin]

Posted by Mike Schindler (Member # 1309) on 07-07-2006, 01:44 AM:

I didn't like this movie when I watched it last night. But given about 24 hours to reflect on the experience, it's starting to grow on me. Kind of like cancer.

quote: Phil Blake
The .5 bit for Keira (waiting for the Greco factor)

Check out DOMINO. She's much more attractive in that, and regardless, it's a movie that's well worth your time.

quote: Mike Blakesley
It's nice to see a bright picture again after the dark and murky (for the most part) Superman Returns.

Wow! I was thinking the exact opposite. SUPERMAN RETURNS has very beautiful colors, etc. But PIRATES 2 gives new meaning to the word drab.

Posted by Phil Blake (Member # 2012) on 07-07-2006, 09:21 PM:

phil makes a mental note "must watch Domino"!

One further comment on Pirates 2 was the trailer contained some very amusing one liners which were cut from the main feature, I found this very disappointing.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-07-2006, 09:44 PM:

quote:
Check out DOMINO. [Keira's] much more attractive in that

No she isn't. She smokes in that movie. That makes her much MUCH less attractive. She also needs a serious helping of McDonalds or some other fatty foods transfused into her bloodstream immediately!

Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 1016) on 07-08-2006, 12:16 AM:

I agree fully with the [bs]

and

comments.

And yes, I did enjoy the first one.

Posted by Lyle Romer (Member # 1266) on 07-08-2006, 11:20 AM:

Something doesn't jive here. Are you all being too critical? In this thread Mike Blakesley said

quote:
I think we'll get a much bigger "bump" from Cars and Pirates than we did from Da Vinci Code because a lot of people left DVC with a "the book was much better" attitude. Whereas most people are coming out of Cars and Pirates with big old smiles on their faces.

On Yahoo, the user reviews are B+. Most of you guys reviews basically say it sucks. I'll probably find out for myself tomorrow but it doesn't make sense that the movie sucks but people come out smiling.

Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 07-08-2006, 11:29 AM:

The rottentomatoes.com critical rating is 77 fresh & 71 rotten (52% favorable). The user rating on imdb.com (1,412 votes) is 7.9 out of 10. Interesting.

Posted by Matt Kerekes (Member # 2777) on 07-08-2006, 11:35 AM:

I liked this movie, I do think that in some places they were trying to hard to be better than the first. However, I enjoyed all of it, and the length did not bother me. The only disappointing thing for me was at the end, they could have practiacally flashed "TO BE CONTINUED" on the screen and just rolled credits. I could have sat there and watched the plot unfold a little more. Guess I'll have to wait.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 07-08-2006, 12:48 PM:

quote: Mike Blakesley
It's nice to see a bright picture again after the dark and murky (for the most part) Superman Returns.

Geez, It shouldn't have been dark at your new light level! I think what you are seeing is the increased contrast ratio you now have with those lenses.

Mark

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-08-2006, 05:05 PM:

No, it was the colors of the film itself. I think it was the way it was lit. Just not to my liking, is all. The city-scape scenes looked awesome and bright.

Anyway....back to Pirates. Other than a few gripes about the cliffhanger ending, people here are appearing to love it. We had most of the teenagers in town here for the midnight show, and now their moms and dads are coming to the regular showings. A good sign.

quote: Lyle Romer
Something doesn't jive here.

I think if you could tally up the film-tech movie reviews, you would find far more negative reviews than positive. Some people on here seem to never like any movie.

Posted by Jennifer Pan (Member # 2035) on 07-08-2006, 05:10 PM:

I hated the first one and from the looks of things I really don't have to see this one.

Posted by Kevin Raisler (Member # 1761) on 07-08-2006, 05:59 PM:

It sold out both prints 4 times today I love this movie [thumbsup]

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-08-2006, 07:25 PM:

quote: Mike Blakesley
I think if you could tally up the film-tech movie reviews, you would find far more negative reviews than positive. Some people on here seem to never like any movie.

It's because if someone sees too many movies in their lifetime, they DO start to all suck. [Razz]

I thought it was ok. It was definitely a bit long, and they absolutely tried too hard on many of the scenes to outdo the original. That being said, I didn't particularly care for the original after the first viewing, but it grew on me. This one may be the same situation.

My biggest beef with it is that the movie has George Lucas syndrome. There is WAY too much cgi and weird looking characters in this thing. I wish Hollywood would realize that cgi must be used in moderation.

Other than that, it wasn't great, but it wasn't bad.

Posted by Ryan Navaroli (Member # 3477) on 07-08-2006, 08:52 PM:

In order to fully appreciate this movie all one needs is RUM... A few more memorable parts of the movie is when Kiera told them to throw the rum on because they didn't have enough explosives. And the absolute best part is the gift of the undead monkey. Most hilarious is Captain Jack slow-mo attack upon the vagina-like sea monster.

Posted by Kyle Anderson (Member # 3504) on 07-09-2006, 02:39 AM:

aka Penis Fly Trap of Doom

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 07-09-2006, 12:21 PM:

quote: David Stambaugh
The rottentomatoes.com critical rating is 77 fresh & 71 rotten (52% favorable).

For those not familiar with the Rotten Tomatoes website, a movie must score above 60% to rate "Fresh" and above 75% to be "Certified Fresh".

As of this writing Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest is rated as "Rotten" with a 53% rating.

Some other current releases are in the "Certified Fresh" range:
The Devil Wears Prada: 78%
Cars: 77%
Superman Returns: 75%

Posted by Allison Parsons (Member # 2728) on 07-09-2006, 03:46 PM:

When does the third one come out? I'm making sure I'll be asking that week off of work at the theater haha.

Posted by Matt Fields (Member # 3211) on 07-09-2006, 06:55 PM:

Memorial Day Weekend 2007.

Actually Allison, you might want to take all of May 2007 off...Spider-Man 3 and Shrek 3 are on the release calandar as well!

Posted by Allison Parsons (Member # 2728) on 07-09-2006, 07:29 PM:

Matt, I feel a broken arm coming on that month! Thanks for the heads up

Posted by Adam Wilbert (Member # 1184) on 07-09-2006, 09:54 PM:

spoilers*

It seems I'm in the minority here as I really liked the film. I especially got a kick out of the references to the Disneyland ride: characters and situations that were dreamed up nearly half a centry ago that are sprinkled throughout the film. I think its probably just pulling on sentimental memories from my younger years, but seeing that guy in the well and the firefly lit bayou made me grin throughout the film. I find that I have a hard time thinking about the movie outside of this experience, and I know that this positively skews my appreciation for the movie. But so be it, thats the baggage I brought into the theater.

Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 07-10-2006, 09:21 AM:

quote: Mike Schindler
Wow! I was thinking the exact opposite. SUPERMAN RETURNS has very beautiful colors, etc. But PIRATES 2 gives new meaning to the word drab.

I agree. The last one was on 2393 stock (as is SUPERMAN RETURNS), and this one is on 2383 stock, but still the colors shouldn't have looked THAT muddy. Part of the appeal of the other one for me was the bright colors on all of the outfits, the blue waters, etc. It was beautiful to look at. This one has pretty low contrast, and takes on a whole different look for me. And wasn't the original also an ES/EX mix? I guess they did this one on the cheap.

That aside, I enjoyed the movie. I thought it could have been a little shorter, but not much. I don't think that I liked this one as much as the first one. Like someone else said, this one is to Black Pearl what Temple of Doom was to Raiders. But still, I think this series is the Raiders of the Lost Ark for this generation. And the box office tally is a message to Hollywood: "Make movies that people want to see, and they will come see them." Hollywood will probably miss that message all together though.

** MINOR SPOILER AHEAD **

For some reason, I thought that the pole vaulting thing was one of the funniest slap-your-forehead moments I've ever seen in a movie.

** END SPOILER **

Posted by Matt Fields (Member # 3211) on 07-10-2006, 11:27 AM:

quote: Mark J. Marshall
And the box office tally is a message to Hollywood: "Make movies that people want to see, and they will come see them." Hollywood will probably miss that message all together though.

But isn't the trick knowing what people want? When the first Pirates came out, noone thought "Hey, a Johnny Depp Pirate Movie based on a theme park ride, now that's an instant hit!"

Making movies is a crapshoot. Producers are just rolling the dice.

Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 07-10-2006, 01:49 PM:

Tried to get in to the digital show but it was sold out. Popped in to the digital show for 5-minutes before going to my film show. First thought was 'Yep, this looks like video.'

Film show ran slightly out of focus and had a light base scratch through the print. As I was stuck on the middle I couldn't go bitch about it. Got a pass at the end though.

Johnny Dep looked like he was having fun. Too bad the rest of the movie sucked. It was a two and a half hour set up for the next movie.

Also, why is Captain Sparrow's crew no longer the undead, like they were in the first movie? Did I miss something in the first movie?

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-10-2006, 05:46 PM:

quote: Ian Price
Tried to get in to the digital show but it was sold out.

Digital sells better than film. Who wants to see film? Even you preferred digital when purchasing your ticket. Digital is perfect. Film is in its final days.

quote: Ian Price
Film show ran slightly out of focus and had a light base scratch through the print.

That's because it's film. Duh. It runs over pulleys and wires, you know. Rick McCallum wouldn't have said that if it weren't true.

Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 07-10-2006, 06:23 PM:

Ian, they undid the curse at the end of the first movie by returning all the treasure. That's how Barbossa died, Sparrow shot him when the last piece of treasure was returned and the curse was lifted.

Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 07-11-2006, 09:28 AM:

quote: Matt Fields
But isn't the trick knowing what people want?

The masses of people want to see a good story teller tell a good story, escape from their daily grind, and have FUN when they go to a movie. I'm not saying other movie genres don't have their place, because they do. But if you want to get the masses out, a good story, escape, and fun is a good formula, and it always has been. The last movie was, generally speaking, a lot of fun. And that's why people are coming to see this one. And judging from their reactions as they're leaving, they're having fun with this one too, which means repeat business.

Posted by Chris Hipp (Member # 1788) on 07-11-2006, 10:30 AM:

quote: Mike Blakesley
I think if you could tally up the film-tech movie reviews, you would find far more negative reviews than positive. Some people on here seem to never like any movie.

You also have to consider how most of us do not choose what movies we watch. We dont look in the paper and say "oh that looks like something I'd like." We just get stuck with whatever opens that week.

Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 07-12-2006, 03:07 PM:

Chris: You have a good understanding of "critic's lament:" he has to see all the films. Believe me the bad outnumber the good by 5 to 1 or better. Louis

(How many close after 7 days?.... a lot.)

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 07-12-2006, 04:10 PM:

quote: Louis Bornwasser
Believe me the bad outnumber the good by 5 to 1 or better.

Ahhh, I'd peg it at more like a 90 to 1 ratio. I can always count the good films on just one hand at the end of the year, and I love films. Follywood lately has just lost it completely.

Mark

Posted by John Pommon (Member # 648) on 07-13-2006, 02:39 AM:

And people bitched about King King being too long and or slow . . . . this latest Pirates' needless talking heads & usesless drawn out scenes tops them all.
It could have been sensational entertainment at 90 minutes but at 2.5 hours . . . . . . . . ho hum . . [sleep]

'Pirates OTC' without Geoffrey Rush is like Disney's 'Treasure Island' without Robert Newton - 'Long John Silver'.

Hopefully, the 3rd 'Pirates' will give us a really good show like 'Curse of the Black Pearl' and finally . . . . Geoffrey's back in on this one [thumbsup]

[ 07-16-2006, 05:17 AM: Message edited by: John Pommon ]

Posted by Jim Bedford (Member # 4) on 07-13-2006, 01:01 PM:

Theatre: Carmike 7, Grand Junction, CO
Show: Weekday, 5 PM
Attendance: 'bout 30

Lobby: This theatre has just started showing weekday films before 7 PM. The lobby/concession stand has pretty much remained the same for over 15 years with the major change being that the video games are hardly used anymore. Cleaning supplies, vacuums and brooms propped on walls all over the hallways (sort of like watching an ugly woman dress....)

Auditorium: Very unclean floors (a little girl behind us said "Eeeeuuuu" as her shoes stuck to the floor. You could hear the stickiness.) It's clear they didn't mop or clean last night. (Clean floors and lit light bulbs are the FIRST signs that the owner/manager cares about presentation.) Exit light to screen R was powered by a mini-Trooper and cast a huge light wash on the screen. Irritating. Lady of the Lake trailer looked as if it had been projected over a million times w/o Film Guard.

The film: A bit soft focus. Dragged in many parts and the story barely made sense if at all. Too long and often didn't hang together. No detail on Davy Jones' ship, just mush everywhere. In spite of that, it had great production values, wonderful throwaway lines and was very much fun. Can't wait until we find out what happened to the heart and why, but really don't care.

Rating based on what the film was supposed to do: 4 out of 5.

Posted by Brad Allen (Member # 470) on 07-15-2006, 02:29 PM:

I give it 1 out of 5. And I liked the first one.
Trimming 30 minutes off would of helped greatly.

And I lost count of the incredible amount of lab splices I saw.
[Eek!]

Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 07-16-2006, 06:12 PM:

Today 7/16/2006, 11:30AM, Regal Cinema World 8 in Eugene, House #3, SR•D. Maybe 25-30 in attendance. The feature looked and sounded great, print in perfect condition (except for couple of lab splices), looked like it was built with extra care with most of the reel-change splices almost unnoticeable. [beer]

According to my movie rating code (really more of a guideline), a movie is "too long" if I look at my watch more than once. I looked at my watch a LOT today. Now that's not to say "Pirates" isn't entertaining or that they didn't pull out all the stops to give the audience its money's worth. It is and they did. But damn, this just seemed to go on way longer than necessary. Cut out 20-30 minutes and I think they'd have a better movie.

That said, it entertained me. Some of the special effects are actually special too. 3 out of 5 stars from me.

Posted by Pravin Ratnam (Member # 1417) on 07-17-2006, 02:09 AM:

I am no film snob. But I find the maassive success of the Pirates of the Carribbean(POTC- not to be confused wth Passion of the Christ) movies very puzzling. It is one of those mysteries where i ponder how I can be so out of touch with the mainstream.

I enjoy a lot of mainstream action movies. I enjoyed Johnny Depp in the first one. But for the life of me, I dont understand what about these movies make many many people rush to the theater and watch this in such massive numbers.

I liked POTC1 and thought maybe it would be a 150M movie. Didnt expect the massive hit status.
I didn't hate POTC2, but barely tolerated it. It was damn boring at times in the first half and I struggled to stay awake. Once they hit the beach, then I was able to stay awake. Stellan's character as Bloom's dad seemed interesting. So did Nighy's Davy Jones. But not enough good scenes to justify 150 freaking minutes.

At least 45 min should have been chopped off this borefest. Hans Zimmer puts out an obnoxious loud score. God, I hate this guy.

Depp, while still enjoyable, was reduced to hamming it up for the camera and get some easy laughs (no better than your typical Wayans Bros. comedy). But since it is DEpp, people will overpraise the comedy aspect of the movie.

THe worst thing, I have to endure another 2 and half hours to finish the damn story?

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 07-17-2006, 04:11 AM:

quote: Phil Blake
Davey Jones (awesome make up)

I think it was actually all CGI!
The movie: OK, but not really great. I didn't know that they made this to be the middle piece of a trilogy, so I was surprised by the open ending. I wonder how they will explain Capt. Barbossa coming back. But I think that's good. I liked him much better in the first movie than Depp who got a little on my nerves here with his shtick.
Did anybody understand what the voodoo lady in the hut said?
The bit where Depp shoots the monkey he has brought as a gift - "look, an undead monkey" - was actually the only bit I found really funny.

Posted by Lyle Romer (Member # 1266) on 07-18-2006, 07:58 AM:

I'll start off by saying that this was a rare split decision between myself and my fiance. I liked it, she didn't. She didn't like the first one on first viewing either but it grew on her later.

Was this as good as the first one? Absolutely not. Was it a cinematic masterpiece? No. Was it too long? Yes, probably by 1/2 hour.

But, it was fun and entertaining. A good (but not great) popcorn movie. I don't know how this is a kids movie. It is very violent and the creatures from "Return of the Jedi" oops I mean the bottom of the ocean were gross! I agree with the sentiment that it was basically a long trailer for part 3. They should have opened the credits with "Pirates of the Carribean: At Worlds End coming Memorial Day 2007."

I say 2 1/2 out of 5.

*******************SPOILERS AHEAD**********************

quote: Jim Bedford
Can't wait until we find out what happened to the heart and why, but really don't care.

You don't have to wait to find out what happened to it, they showed it. Former Commodore Norrington stole it and gave it to the guy that took over the port from the Governor in return for being reinstated.

quote: Michael Schaffer
Did anybody understand what the voodoo lady in the hut said?

She was difficult to understand at times, if you're talking about the very end she basically asked if the crew was willing to go to the end of the word (hence the subtitle of part 3 "At Worlds End") to recover Jack. It is kind of insinuated that it means to get him back from the dead.

quote: Michael Schaffer
I wonder how they will explain Capt. Barbossa coming back.

The voodoo lady did explain it. She told them that if they were going to find Jack "at Worlds End" they would need a captain to guide them that had been there. So, Barbossa managed to escape from "Worlds End" and therefore brought himself back.

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 07-19-2006, 02:25 AM:

quote: Lyle Romer
She was difficult to understand at times, if you're talking about the very end she basically asked if the crew was willing to go to the end of the word (hence the subtitle of part 3 "At Worlds End") to recover Jack. It is kind of insinuated that it means to get him back from the dead.

I understood that, but I didn't understand what she said in the middle of the movie.

quote: Lyle Romer
The voodoo lady did explain it. She told them that if they were going to find Jack "at Worlds End" they would need a captain to guide them that had been there. So, Barbossa managed to escape from "Worlds End" and therefore brought himself back.

OK, that makes sense. So, "World's End" is basically like the Realm of the Dead. Where they would find Captain Sparrow. OK.

Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 07-19-2006, 05:08 AM:

Why did Zimmer get to score it? What happened to Klaus Badelt? His first score (and particularly the theme) was just fine.

Posted by Lyle Romer (Member # 1266) on 07-19-2006, 05:33 AM:

Good question on the composer. I thought the score to this one was aweful save for the re-use of the theme from the first one.

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 07-20-2006, 04:34 AM:

Same here. I found the score almost annoying. The same Zimmer dumdeedumdeedum as always.

Posted by Patrick de Groot (Member # 858) on 07-23-2006, 11:12 AM:

I thought the score was actually pretty good. Especially The Kraken music (with the organ and electric guitars)

Posted by Sam Graham (Member # 2889) on 07-23-2006, 04:31 PM:

CINEMA: Century 20 at Jordan Creek, West Des Moines, IA
AUDITORIUM: 9
PRESENTATION: 35mm/Dolby Digital/THX
PRESENTATION PROBLEMS: None [Cool]

RATING: Three stars (out of four)

Eh...It was fun.

Posted by Bill Enos (Member # 440) on 07-27-2006, 06:48 PM:

Too long by 45 min. A snoozer in parts. The Davie Jones character didn't work at all for me, neither did the crew or ship. I'd give it 6 out 10. Thought the first one was great.

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-27-2006, 07:27 PM:

Here's hoping Disney reads the reviews of its movies. Probably 90% of them, and the majority of patrons, think this movie is too long. A nice tight little 110 minute Part 3 would be a mega-blockbuster-gigantasaurus.

Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 07-31-2006, 03:21 PM:

gross

Although my hat's off to them for their special effects, they were gross. Given the Disney opening logos and such, I'm betting that if a kid saw this they be traumatized for life.
Too long
To many "other characters"
Not enough JD
Can't remember the story (was there one?)

Posted by Tom Hayes (Member # 3932) on 09-03-2006, 07:13 AM:

I drove up to L.A. to see this at the El Capitan. I wanted to like it, but it was BORING and much too long.

There were a lot of "twists" that weren't logical, fun or buckle swashing.

And Captain Jack was a horrid man in this one. I frankly don't care if he's dead or not.

I wanted a fun film and got an epic trying to be Lord of The Rings but instead was The Matrix part II.

Things i don't care about now:
1)Captain jack
2)Will Turner's Father
3)Will Turner and Elizabeth's wedding.
4)Davey jones
5)The Kracken
6)That Dog

I won't be seeing part three unless it's 92 minutes long.

All that said I really liked the El Capitan. They had a fun (and I'm not being sarcastic) thin with curtain raising and a giant skull and tiki torches. I liked that.