quote: Marcel BirgelenI agree. Especially since they are all essentially the same, once you get past the sideline story about the personality of the hero, it's all the same crash-bang-boom with no regard to physics.
All in all, I have the distinct feeling people are slowly getting tired of all those comic superhero movies. Especially Marvel is on their way of over-saturating the market...
quote: Jonathan GoeldnerIt really is Amazing how Spider-mans first shows are just getting started today, yet the box office performance has already been determined for the weekend.
curious to see the box office numbers come out Monday for the weekend gross.
Friday numbers: $35,500,000 intake / 4,324 screens / $8,210 average per screen
quote: Marcel BirgelenLOL, I highly doubt that. The box office performance is proving otherwise.
All in all, I have the distinct feeling people are slowly getting tired of all those comic superhero movies. Especially Marvel is on their way of over-saturating the market...
quote: Mike BlakesleyPersonally, I've never liked those big budget, overproduced, overly loud and "faux-epic" Michael Bay productions where everything is teal and orange. And the whole Transformers movie franchise has been one grotesque string of Michael Bay-ness...
The one I'm dreading this summer is the Transformers movie. I was about ready to pull the remaining hair out of my head after 2 weeks of listening to that last noisy crapfest.
quote: Buck WilsonThe Atmos mix in this one is quite OK, but not the best I've heard until now. It has a few opportunities to bring the top speakers to good use though.
I love it. I try to make a point to see every feature in Dolby Atmos in that house. It doesn't give me a headache like IMAX does.
quote: Marcel BirgelenNo its not going to be a box office disaster. Marcel, why does it have have to set a record? The original Spider-man set a opening weekend record because it was the first Spider-man movie, it was a new idea and it was the first real mainstream kids Marvel film (X-Men is more for adults). What is holding the movie back (and more importantly SONY back) is that SONY does not have any other Marvel characters to expand it on. $92 million this past weekend for North America is nothing to be ashamed of. Of course the 5th movie for SONY is not going to exceed the first one.
It will probably not end up being a box office disaster, but neither a record breaker either.
quote: Marcel BirgelenAll in all, your feelings are wrong. In less than 40 calendar days, both Captain America 2 and Amazing Spider-Man 2 have grossed a combined $1 billion+ at the world wide box office. In fact Captain America 2 far exceeded the take of the first one. You need to go back and look up Thor 2 from November, it too exceeded the take of the original Thor.
All in all, I have the distinct feeling people are slowly getting tired of all those comic superhero movies. Especially Marvel is on their way of over-saturating the market...
quote: Marcel BirgelenWhy in the world you want to do that? Transformers 3 grossed $1.1 billion dollars world wide, there is clearly a demand for it. The global take of the three is close to $2.8 billion and each sequel has out done the predecessor. Making movies and showing movies is about making money.
After the last one, I really expected they would finally let the franchise cool down for a while.
quote: Terry Lynn-StevensNope, he's right. Here's an article from Boxoffice Mojo, which you won't agree with since you didn't post it, but whatever:
All in all, your feelings are wrong.
quote:Boxoffice Mojo
Franchise Fatigue Weighs Down 'Amazing Spider-Man 2'
by Ray Subers
May 4, 2014
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 scored one of the best debuts of the year, but wasn't nearly as amazing as past outings in the Spider-Man franchise.
Of course, the movie is doing significantly stronger business overseas. So far, it's earned $277 million, and has a good chance of matching its predecessor's $490 million total.
At the domestic box office, the sequel to the 2012 reboot opened to an estimated $92 million. That's a bit lower than Captain America: The Winter Soldier's $95 million debut last month. It is higher than Thor: The Dark World ($85.7 million), and is also above 2009 summer kick-off X-Men Origins: Wolverine ($85.1 million).
Compared to other outings in the Spider-Man series, though, this is a disappointing debut. It's tough to compare this to the first Amazing Spider-Man, which opened on a Tuesday ahead of the Fourth of July weekend. The best comparable titles are the first and third movie in Sam Raimi's original trilogy, which also debuted on the first weekend of May. Those opened to $114.8 million and $151.1 million, respectively, with much lower average ticket prices and no 3D premiums.
The Spider-Man character clearly remains very popular — if that weren't the case, it couldn't have possibly reached $90 million. It's abundantly clear, though, that this franchise has to some extent worn out its welcome with moviegoers.
To justify its existence so soon after the Raimi series, the 2012 reboot needed to be great; unfortunately, reactions were generally mixed. It was also the lowest-grossing entry yet at the domestic box office with $262 million (down 22 percent from the last entry).
To stop the bleeding, the second outing threw a ton of villains at Spider-Man, though that approach had its pros and cons (Electro looked silly, while Green Goblin felt redundant). Marketing wasn't quite able to overcome the "been there, done that" feeling that's accompanied this reboot series.
There was also an expectation that The Amazing Spider-Man 2 would be propped up by its Summer kick-off release date. Unfortunately, Captain America: The Winter Soldier seems to have stolen some of its thunder there. Reviews didn't help either, as it wound up being the worst-reviewed Spider-Man movie yet.
According to Sony, the audience was 61 percent male and 51 percent under the age of 25. That's younger than the typical audience for a superhero movie, and family attendance (33 percent) likely had something to do with this.
The long-term prospects at the domestic box office aren't great. The movie received a so-so "B+" CinemaScore, which suggests word-of-mouth will be only a bit better than the reviews. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 will likely fall off quickly in the coming weeks, and is essentially guaranteed to be the lowest-grossing entry yet in the franchise. Based on the pattern of other May openers, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 should finish with around $230 million.
quote: Mike BlakesleyPerhaps your customers from your town are driving out of their way to see the movie in a premium large format such as Prime, BigD or AVX? How close is your town to a major multiplex?
Our crowds here are definitely NOT amazing. We have yet to be even half full for a show, which is VERY unusual for a fanboy-type movie. The feeling is definitely "Another Spider-Man movie? Seriously?
Spoiler Alert - Click to ToggleAndrew Garfield is a good actor. I really enjoyed his work in The Social Network. Honestly, I've had a real hard time buying him as Spiderman/Peter Parker. My girlfriend, Cynthia said right off the bat after the movie was finished that she preferred Tobey Maguire as Spiderman. I guess the thing I really didn't like about Garfield's performance was all this bullshit, hipster poseur nonsense he kept doing throughout the movie, pouting yet trying to look cool or ironic as he entered so many scenes. I wanted to slap him upside his head and tell him to cut out that pretentious shit. Act like a normal person for Pete's sake!
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quote: Terry Lynn-StevensWrong in what way, you dope? He is just quoting boxoffice figures.
Mike, he is actually wrong.
quote: Terry Lynn-StevensI'm going to go right ahead and tell you that's not happening. The closest "PLF" to us is a Carmike that's 100 miles from here in Billings. The next closest would be 600 miles away in Denver.
Perhaps your customers from your town are driving out of their way to see the movie in a premium large format such as Prime, BigD or AVX? How close is your town to a major multiplex?
quote: Terry Lynn-StevensNobody here claims the sky is falling (yet). But there is something called foresight. Foresight that some change might be necessary or at least desirable to avoid the former from eventually happening.
All in all, your feelings are wrong. In less than 40 calendar days, both Captain America 2 and Amazing Spider-Man 2 have grossed a combined $1 billion+ at the world wide box office. In fact Captain America 2 far exceeded the take of the first one. You need to go back and look up Thor 2 from November, it too exceeded the take of the original Thor.
quote:You seem to make a point about the lack of creative content, all the sequels and reboots, being way too much and you specifically mention the Spider Man reboot... So, are you just being a dick here? Or is this a case of multiple personality disorder?
I would say the lack of compelling films is keeping the 18-24 segment away from the theaters. If there is a movie that this segment wants to watch, then they will go to see it in a theater. The Hunger Games: Catching Fire is a perfect example and so is the The Lego Movie. The recent RoboCop on the other hand simply did not connect with the 18-24 crowd. There is also usually way too much product in the marketplace as well and then there are all the reboots and sequels, Spider-Man has had five films and two reboots in 12 years, it is just way too much. And how may times can the studios possibly do a YA adaption, Mortal Instruments, Vampire Academy and Beautiful Creatures all tanked and Divergent did OK but not great. Again, way too much product, the teens can't possibly watch all of them.
Something also has to be said about studio expectations, not every movie can pull Avenger/Dark Knight Rises or Catching Fire type numbers, and then splitting all the third parts into A and B parts will take its toll. Shame on Lionsgate for splitting Mocking Jay into two parts, eventually people will just have enough of it.
quote: Terry Lynn-StevensMaybe also because of this?
Why in the world you want to do that? Transformers 3 grossed $1.1 billion dollars world wide, there is clearly a demand for it. The global take of the three is close to $2.8 billion and each sequel has out done the predecessor. Making movies and showing movies is about making money.
quote: Terry Lynn-StevensI might add my 2ct by claiming that the first installment, beyond the initial "WOW, look at all that stuff morphing and flying around"-factor also generally sucked. Also, I remain slightly astonished at the fact that something that started out as a franchise exclusively for kids ended up being a franchise targeted at almost exclusively young adults...
I will agree that the second and third installments sucked.
quote: Marcel BirgelenWell, I am glad we have cleared that up.
Nobody here claims the sky is falling
quote: Marcel BirgelenNo.
May I quote yourself from another discussion?
quote: Bobby Hendersoneven without a core mix of 7.1 (why the hell Sony is so resistant to releasing any of their tent pole releases as such is beyond me) I thought the Atmos really threw the sound around the auditorium quite well. I thought it was appropriately bombastic.
I thought the Dolby Atmos mix was okay, but not all that astounding. The mix had a decent number of cues to let people know it was more than mere 5.1 or 7.1, but it was sort of odd in how it did it. I heard the most Atmos style action with Max/Electro's insane inner voice chants echoing all over the surround field. Parts of the music mix were moved into various points of the surround field as well. This mix was still somewhat subtle as far as immersive surround sound formats go.