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Posted by Andrew McCrea (Member # 674) on 03-30-2001, 06:26 PM:

Does anybody have blue prints for any theatres that they can post here in the forums?

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Andrew McCrea

"I'm Not Bad, I'm Just Drawn That Way!" - Jessica Rabbit

Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 03-30-2001, 07:21 PM:

Andrew, It would be Illegal for you to use blueprints that were made for a specific auditorium to build your auditorium. You should withdraw this request.

Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 03-30-2001, 07:41 PM:

I thought he was talking about porno movies.

Every building that has city approval, has a set of Blueprints available for the public to look at. Just go down to your city planning office and ask.

Blueprints are fun to look at and can educate one on how much it takes to put a building together.

Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 03-30-2001, 07:44 PM:

Blueprints for a completed (cinema) building are like a Where's Waldo? puzzle. I don't think I've ever seen a set (with or without change orders) that completely matched what was actually built! Even on opening day. Ian's right, though, they can be very educational.

Posted by Jesse Skeen (Member # 586) on 03-31-2001, 07:42 AM:

I wasn't thinking about porno movies (which haven't been distributed on film in over 15 years, BTW) but I thought this was about film prints that turn blue in some parts, which you see occasionally.

Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 03-31-2001, 04:42 PM:

The standard for achetectural plans are AutoCad DWG files and they are usually very very large.
Also they are the property of the designer
Plus every new project requires new drawing be prepared to meet the site requirements and local codes

Posted by Ky Boyd (Member # 23) on 03-31-2001, 07:30 PM:

If all you are looking for is a basic layout/groundplan, International Cinema Equipment in Florida has a nice little sample brochure of thier theatre design service that they'll send you if you ask. It doesn't contain blueprints but does have ground level overviews of complexes - interesting to see what other people have done - but you could never begin to build from them. FWIW, Ky

Posted by Andrew McCrea (Member # 674) on 04-01-2001, 11:48 AM:

Ky,

Do they have a website?

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Andrew McCrea

"I'm Not Bad, I'm Just Drawn That Way!" - Jessica Rabbit

Posted by William T. Parr (Member # 677) on 04-01-2001, 11:51 AM:

Yes Andrew the website is www.iceco.com They have a few cool 3d drawings of a theatre on the website.

Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 04-01-2001, 06:48 PM:

Andrew they are not licensed to practice archetecture in Canada let alone in your city.
You are required to retain a licensed
architect
structure engineer
mechanical engineer
civil engineer
for any construction or renovation project
They must be licensed in your province
Also outside consultants are usually also required

Posted by Barry Floyd (Member # 385) on 04-02-2001, 08:42 AM:

Gordon is correct about the licensing of various trades when it comes to the production of a set of construction documents.

I graduated with a degree in Architecture in 1988 and am currently employed with a Consulting Engineering firm in Nashville, Tennessee. We don't design theatres, but we do design Water and Waste Water Treatment Plants. Even on the sets of drawings we produce in our office, we use the services of a Civil Engineer, Enviromental Engineer, Architect, Mechanical Engineer, Electrical Engineer, and then various consultants specific to the type of facility we are designing. Architects either charge for their services for a price per square foot or a percentage of construction costs - (usually around 7% - 10%). The drawings produced in our office are drawn with "Microstation J", (which is very similar and compatible with Autocad). I have single sheets of plans on my computer that are well over 15 megs in size.

Building codes also play an important role in what we do. Many times people will find that it's more cost efficient to build a new facility than it is to retrofit an existing structure... especially when there's asbestos involved.

Blue Prints for a building of public occupancy are very specific for the particular building in which they where created for. Many elements of a building may be similar, but the structural components can vary widely.

Generally the plans and the design shown on the drawings remain the intelectual property of the Architect / Engineer. Copying another Architects drawing or design can lead to major lawsuits.

Like Ian said, most of the plans for all buildings are held for public inspection at the offices of the local building codes department, as well as places like "Construction Market Data" and the "Dodge Plans Rooms".

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Barry Floyd
Floyd Entertainment Group
Nashville, Tennessee
(Drive-In Theatre - Start-Up)

Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 04-02-2001, 09:46 PM:

What we do on every project is we specify we recieve unlocked acad files and we red line them with design changes we require to make it work
If we start on the groundlevel we do the reverse we do the initial drawings and the local engineers and architects redo them to code and then we redline them

Posted by John Schulien (Member # 215) on 04-03-2001, 01:06 PM:

There's plenty of reasons to want to study theatre blueprints besides wanting to build a theatre from those blueprints! That's a hell of an assumption!

How do people learn things. By studying examples of other peoples' work. From authors to filmmakers to architects. That's the entire purpose of copyrights and patents -- to make examples of the arts and sciences available to the public to "promote the progress of science and the useful arts", not to make it somehow wrong to study other people's work.

Barry is right though -- copyright does now cover architectural design. And, of course, copyright would cover the blueprints themselves. So you couldn't just scan in a set of blueprints without the permission of the architect who designed them, but there's nothing wrong with studying other people's blueprints to learn what goes into a theatre, so long as you understand that you can't copy the architecture without permission of the architect who designed it. It would be nice to locate, obtain permission, and scan some representative theatre blueprints though. Permission to put the blueprints on the web site would not include permission to build the building though.

But I don't think that that was what Andrew had in mind.