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Posted by Ethan Harper (Member # 472) on 06-09-2001, 12:14 PM:
Every major Cinemark chain around here is not playing Evolution. Is it true that there are no Cinemarks playing Evolution? I have also just heard a rumor that the son of the CEO/Founder of Cinemark got into a dispute with somebody at Dreamworks. Does anybody know if there is any truth behind this or possibly shed some light on this?------------------
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Posted by Jim Ziegler (Member # 86) on 06-10-2001, 07:26 AM:
The Cinemarks in Kansas City are not playing it. I don't know about the others..
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 06-10-2001, 11:37 AM:
I heard it was someone at Cinemark taking a stand against increasing film rental terms. If that's what is going on, ya gotta admire them being a major theater circuit turning down a major release to prove a point. 
Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 06-10-2001, 11:44 AM:
Only thing I have heard is that we refused to play it in any theater do to the rental terms. Same problem almost happened with Shrek. Since I work for the company I do not speak for the company in reguards to factual statements. As far as I am concerned this is hearsay. I have heard that Regal had the same problem with Galaxy Quest a couple of years ago. They refused to play it in there theaters but not sure if it was all of them or not.
Posted by Mark Huff (Member # 480) on 06-10-2001, 02:26 PM:
I was unaware that Lee Roy Mitchell had any children.
Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 06-10-2001, 03:53 PM:
Yes he does I believe from a previous marrage. His name is Mr. Kevin Mitchel. He is a booker in the film department. He's actually a nice guy if you have to talk to him on the phone.
Posted by Christopher Duvall (Member # 284) on 06-10-2001, 08:36 PM:
Funny you mention that about Evolution...
When Galaxy Quest came out, not one Regal got it. Pretty much the same thing, from what I have heard in the rumor mill, we (Regal) did not want to pay the higher film costs. It was rumored to be at around 95% of the box office. Of course this is all rumor and speculation, but heard from pretty solid sources.------------------
Chris Duvall
General Manager
Regal Cinemas Colonnade14
Las Vegas, NV
Posted by Mark Lensenmayer (Member # 134) on 06-11-2001, 10:32 AM:
I can't find any CINEMARK theatres playing EVOLUTION. Also, on he CINEMARK web page, there is a list of movie companies. DREAMWORKS is not listed.Mark Lensenmayer
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Posted by Manuel Francisco Valencia (Member # 710) on 06-11-2001, 04:05 PM:
We do not have a print of Evolution as well which is kind of stupid seeing as how we had a sneak preview of it two days before release. As to my understanding there is a dispute with Dreamworks and Cinemark will not play anymore Dreamworks until the dispute is resolved.
Posted by William T. Parr (Member # 677) on 06-11-2001, 04:19 PM:
This reminds me of the Love Spat that United Artist had with Disney back in the late 80's which lead to Disney not allowing UA any product for close to 6 months or so and also lead to Mann Theatres Reopening a location in Corpus Christi, Tx they had closed 4 years earlier. As for Cinemark this is not the first time they have had a Disagreement with Film companies. Back in 1989 when most of the Cinemark chian where Dollar Theatres, Paramount pictures tried to force them to charge a higher price for product and had incited other film distributors to do the same. Cinemarks answer atthe time was to gat ever patron to sign a petition on Cinemarks behalf to go back to the film companies with stating they would not pay a higher price and would go back a first run theatre if prices were increased or rent it on video.
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 06-11-2001, 04:53 PM:
Not the first instance and probably not the last.Loews doesn't play 20th Century Fox product in Manhattan (NYC) -- a dispute over terms that runs well before Star Wars Episode 1.
Regal never played Ghost Dog and The Ninth Gate (both Artisan) -- something to do with terms?
National Amusements (at least its NY metro theaters) doesn't play certain 20th Century Fox product -- something to do with terms? (Usually it's the lesser titles.)
General Cinema in New Jersey didn't show Saving Private Ryan on its original summer '98 release. May have had something to do with terms. GC did get the movie for the "Oscar bait" re-release in winter '99.
Posted by Scott Madsen (Member # 167) on 06-11-2001, 08:41 PM:
UA may be having a issue with Dreamworks also, at least in some markets. At least here in Minneapolis, no UA's are playing
Evolution.
It seems to be a non-factor on this picture. It opened to decent but not great enough business that not playing it will make a huge difference. I guess we'll have to see how the future Dreamworks product does.
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 05-10-2002, 05:42 PM:
Cinemark must have kissed and made up with DreamWorks. The Cinemark home page is currently promoting Hollywood Ending with a link to a related contest.OTOH DreamWorks has ads in New Jersey newspapers today for Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron (sneak preview tomorrow) but no newspaper ads for Hollywood Ending. That tells me Woody Allen must be losing it.
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 07-10-2002, 03:19 PM:
Now it's Reading Cinemas -- their theater in Manville NJ will not open Road to Perdition on the break.Every other chain in the NYC metro is getting Road to Perdition. So is the upmarket/arthouse Princeton Garden Theatre.
Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 07-10-2002, 06:12 PM:
Once again a major theater chain refuses to play with Dreamwork's film terms.Well, it looks like Cinemark is telling Dreamworks they don't want there Road To Perdition at there terms. From what I hear it is the 80% take that Dreamworks wants off ticket sales.
Posted by Thomas Procyk (Member # 1170) on 07-10-2002, 11:10 PM:
It's not like "Road To Perdition" will do well anyway... :-x 
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Posted by Neil Hunter (Member # 1005) on 07-11-2002, 12:10 AM:
I have heard different about Road To Perdition. I have heard that Dreamworks is releasing the film over the next three weeks, with it's initial release being the 12th. But, this is only what I hear.
Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 07-11-2002, 12:17 PM:
Well, Reagal and an independent theater in our area are opening it on the 12th. No Cinemarks are getting it. I wouldn't underestimate this film. It could have potential box office success. It has TOm Hanks too...
Posted by Mike Spaeth (Member # 524) on 07-12-2002, 09:09 PM:
Road To Perdition/CinemarkAs of now, a deal has not been made. We did not agree to the terms to play it on the 12th. It remains to be seen whether we play it on the subsequent waves of expansion on the 19th and the 26th.
Posted by Manuel Francisco Valencia (Member # 710) on 07-25-2002, 01:58 AM:
We are not advertising The Tuxedo or The Ring either so it looks like this one might draw out quite a while. And I heard it was more around 90%.
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 09-26-2002, 04:21 PM:
Manuel's prediction has come true: Cinemark is not opening The Tuxedo.OTOH Brad will be excited to learn that Cinemark is selling advance tickets online for Jonah: A Veggietales Movie.
Posted by Mike Spaeth (Member # 524) on 09-27-2002, 10:52 AM:
Actually - some Cinemarks are playing "The Tuxedo" - it just depends on the market and on the terms for that market.Redding, CA; Texarkana, TX; Wooster, OH; Summerville, SC; North Canton, OH; Zanesville, OH; Ashland, KY; Texas City, TX; College Station, TX; Harlingen, TX; Tracy, CA; Benton, AR; Salisbury, NC; Pueblo, CO; Medford, OR; West Monroe, LA; Fayetteville, GA; Bristol, VA; Lancaster, CA; Victorville, CA; Victoria, TX; Brownsville, TX; Paducah, KY
A total of 23 playdates chain-wide, as compared to Sweet Home Alabama, which has 127.