This is topic Rules for Movie Goers in forum Ground Level at Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE.


To visit this topic, use this URL:
https://ft-forum.com/ft/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=000302

Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 07-29-2001, 05:16 PM:
 
We have generally good patrons. But every now and then, they piss you off. Of course you smile and try to make them happy. I just had a staff meeting where we reintroduced the staff to some of the rules. It occurs to me that our Patrons need rules too. Now I know that good business practice says I shouldn't post these for the public, but it was cathartic to write the list.

What do you think and what rules did I miss?


15 Rules for Movie Goers

1. Show up to the film on time. We start the films at the posted show time. We generally have 3 previews of coming attractions on the screen. At a minute and thirty seconds each, that means that we have about 4.5 minutes of pre-show here at the Rialto. If you show up five minutes late for the film, you have already missed something. Don’t be late.

2. We have to wear shirts and shoes to work and you should do the same. This has generally not been a problem here at the Rialto, but if I don’t mention it, somebody will take it, as tacit approval to come to the theatre wearing nothing but a Speedo, and nobody wants to see that.

3. We cannot capriciously discount the cost of a movie ticket or concessions item, so don’t even ask. We are a business; we are in business to make money. There is no bargaining.

4. Seniors are 55 and older. That is the youngest age for any movie theatre I have ever been to. Be grateful; inform the staff so that you may get your discount. Don’t ask for more.

5. We are a cash business. We cannot accept credit cards at the moment. They take more time than cash transactions, and they charge a percentage of our business. So in order to keep lines short, and keep admissions reasonable, we do not accept credit cards. Checks take way to long to write so save those checks for large purchases like gift certificates and passport cards. Please don’t be angry with our cashier because you don’t have any cash on you. Stop at an ATM before you come to the movies.

6. If there is a problem, please inform an employee. We can’t be everywhere at once and we sometimes are unable to see if something is amiss. They are here to help, be polite; they don’t make enough money to put up with rudeness. We will try to do everything within our power to make it right.

7. While watching a film, have respect for your fellow moviegoers, be quiet. No talking is allowed while watching a movie. If there is a complaint you will be asked to keep quiet. If you are unable to keep quiet you will be required to leave the theatre.

8. Much as you appreciate your children, most others do not. If the child is unable to understand the movie, don’t bring it. No children will be admitted to films rated R and above. If you have a young baby, hire a babysitter. If you cannot afford to hire a babysitter you cannot afford to come to the movies. Stay home and watch the independent film channel. We will still be here when your child can appreciate us. Crying Children will be required to leave the theatre.

9. Show times change on Friday. Read a newspaper, look at our website www.rialtocinemas.com, Read our email (which can be signed up for at the theatre or on our website, or call our recording (525-4840) to find out the show times.

10. Frequently we have special events on Thursday. Please read the ad in the paper carefully to find out if the show time has been canceled for a special event. It is in fine print.

11. Traditionally no outside food and drink is allowed in any movie theatre in the United States. Some mall theatres have an agreement with the other mall food vendors, but not us. It’s rude to bring in outside food and drink to a movie theatre, just like it’s rude to bring in your own bottle of wine to the restaurant, or a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to McDonald’s. We have tried not to make a big deal out of this, but it annoys us to have to pick up your garbage. So if you pack it in, pack it out. And don’t be surprised if we ask you to finish it outside. Water is the exception.

12. Please look around you before you leave the theatre. We have a fine supply of outerwear and reading glasses in our lost and found. We do leave the theatre dark for the credits as a courtesy to the filmmakers.

13. Please take and keep your film stub with you. It is your cash receipt and should something go wrong, it is the only way to get a cash refund. If we have a black out or a catastrophic mechanical problem, you will be given a pass to come again. No cash refunds are given after the first 20 minutes of the film. The cash is gone. Refunds are not given should you have not enjoyed the film. Although a movie theatre is an amusement, your amusement is not guaranteed, only that we show the film properly is guaranteed.

14. We show a wide variety of films. We show film for all kinds of people. Should something in the film offend your delicate sensibilities, please don’t take it out on the staff. You never know if something that doesn’t sit will with you is an inspiration to others. Have an open mind, it takes all kinds. People like to see film about people like them. Don’t begrudge people this experience.

15. The world is a large place and unlike Star Trek not everybody speaks English. We are the anti Hollywood movie theatre. We therefore tend to show a great many foreign films. We get to pick and choose the best films from around the world. So that we can hear the original voices of the actors, we Americans like to subtitle films. Trust me this is much more progressive than the French insisting that everything be dubbed in to French. No art theatre in the country advertises that the film is subtitled, that would be cutting off some of our audience. So here’s a hint; if the preview has only a voice over and no actor speaks in it, it is probably in a foreign language and has subtitles. You can always call and ask, but we think it is a little narrow minded of you to dismiss a film just because it has subtitles. Give it a chance, after 10 minutes I forget that the subtitles are there and start to think I can understand Chinese.


 


Posted by Tom Ferreira (Member # 70) on 07-29-2001, 05:55 PM:
 
Hear! Hear! While some of the suggestions on your list are specific to your theatre, most of them apply to our industry as a whole. I'm still trying to figure out(and I had this conversation with Dave Bevacqua last week)why the general public fails to treat us as a "serious" business with our own set of rules and standards. Regarding the no outside food policy, I had a customer screaming at me this afternoon that he could bring his McDonald's drink in the auditorium with him if he wanted to. Do these people smoke in supermarkets if they want to?
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 07-29-2001, 06:00 PM:
 
Great list, Ian. Politely written and yet you manage to point out just what assholes they can be sometimes. Excellent!

If there's a story behind the Speedo, though, you must give it up to us!


 


Posted by Jason Black (Member # 684) on 07-30-2001, 12:40 AM:
 
Ian,

Great post my friend... I would absolutely LOVE to print this and distribute it at the box office with every ticket purchased! I'm sure that the higher ups would NOT care for it.. but I'd love to let theatre patrons in general know that we ARE a business and we do have industry standards.

For example, here's something that happened to us today at my theatre.... Woman comes in to see x movie with her child using Refund Tickets. Ok, so there was an obvious reason why she had the tickets to begin iwth, but I don't knwo the reason.... Anyway, she attempts to use her debit/ATM card to pay for a concession purchase only to realize that she doesn't have her PIN# with her and she has no money. She berates us becuase we can't process her transaction without her PIN#. Yes, people are this fucking stupid sometimes... It gets better.. she demands that we do something... so my assistant wound up giving her a drink and popcorn just to shut her up and get her out of my lobby.

Now I ask you.. what would YOU have done? Would you have given this woman anything free or told her, sorry, no PIN#, no sale, no cash no sale. I mean damn, I didn't take her and her damn kid to raise...

People these days amaze me...

Aside from this minor incident, we had a GREAT wknd.. which is what we needed. Too bad it's the next to last summer wknd we'll have..

Rant mode off.

------------------
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!
 


Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 07-30-2001, 10:18 AM:
 
Great set of rules!

You forgot a rule:

7A: If you take a cell-phone into an auditorium, turn it off so it will not ring. Do not talk on a cell-phone while in an auditorium. While you may think that having your cell-phone ring in a theatre makes others see you as "special" or "important", you may be surprised at how many people would love to severely injure you, since few things cause more feelings of anger than hearing a cell-phone go off. There is no excuse for having a cell-phone turned on in a theatre so that it will emit an audible ring during a movie. If your cell-phone rings and an usher sees you, you will required to leave the theatre.

Oh, here's another:

Do not use any kind of light-emitting device, such as a laser pointer to distract people by shining it on the screen during the show. Anyone caught doing so will be castrated. (I say castrated since I've only seen tennage and pre-teen guys do this).


------------------
Evans A Criswell
Huntsville-Decatur Movie Theatre Info Site


 


Posted by Phil Connolly (Member # 465) on 07-30-2001, 10:53 AM:
 
Great List,

One more point to add:

Do not throw drinks, food or anything else at the screen - it could be worth more than your life
 


Posted by Randy Loy (Member # 112) on 07-30-2001, 11:16 AM:
 
A drive-in theatre manager that I know had a problem with a laser pointer on his screen during a movie one evening a couple of seasons ago and when he figured out who was doing it it turned out to be a lady who was with her children. What a great role model! When he confronted her she acted surprised that anybody cared. She was having fun with the laser pointer and as far as she figured, it was no big deal. I hate to think of how her poor kids are probably going to turn out having grown up with a moron like that as a parent.
 
Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 07-30-2001, 11:18 AM:
 
Ah, nurts. You'll never get the a--hole portion of the audience to read or listen to that. Keep it simple. Stand at the front of the theatre before the show and yell-

SIT DOWN! SHUT UP! SOME OF THE AUDIENCE HAS GUNS AND DON"T LIKE TO BE DISTURBED. COMPLAIN AT YOUR OWN RISK, WE ARE CONNECTED WITH THE LOCAL MAFIA. ALL COMPLAINTS AND PROBLEM CUSTOMERS ARE REFERRED TO GUIDO, WHO HAS A BASEBALL BAT. ENJOY THE SHOW.



 


Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 07-30-2001, 12:00 PM:
 
Jerry, I think I saw you Friday night on 42nd Street.

Most of the audiences in New York with extremely rare exceptions know how to behave in theatres. I have seen more problems in neighborhood theatres where they are showing second run movies.

If the concession prices are reasonable I will purchase items, but if they are reaching in my pocket and stealing my money...I sneak in my own snacks.

If someone wanted to post their rules that is one thing. If someone handed me a sheet with the rules, I would throw it away.


 


Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 07-30-2001, 02:57 PM:
 
Bob, I suspect the NYC audiences have a survival instinct. The audiences in the 'burbs can be obnoxious. Small town audiences, OTOH, can be very nice. When everyone knows everyone else, rude behavior tends to get extinquished quickly.

The old time theatres had slides asking people to behave. A cutsie graphic on a slide can go a long way towards educating folks without being cross sounding.

Like you, I'd probably throw a list of rules away, but I would thoroughly enjoy a 7 minute classic Bugs Bunny and Yos. Sam cartoon slamming rude moviegoers. Heck, I'd even contribute a couple of bucks to get one made!

 


Posted by Will Kutler (Member # 770) on 07-30-2001, 09:12 PM:
 
Don't lite up "joints" in our theater. Ya, we had some "badass" gangbangers stink up a 20plex with some joints!

Do you put your feet on your furniture at home!

Beware, what happened to that obnixous movie goer in Scary Movie could happen to you!

This theater is protected by a pit bull with aids!
 


Posted by JC Cowles (Member # 914) on 07-31-2001, 12:50 AM:
 
These shouldn't need to be rules, but they may help at my theatre:

1. DO NOT lock patrons in the auditorium by running a broom handle between the two door handles.
2. DO NOT steal light bulbs.
3. DO NOT try to catch the mice or rats during a show.
4. DO NOT scream mouse or EEEK in the middle of a crowded auditorium.
5. DO NOT call your friend on your cell phone because you forgot where you were sitting in the auditorium.

I had a funky weekend.

P.S. I'm looking for a professionally made sign that reads "We Implant Cell Phones Rectally." I need 11, one for each door .


 


Posted by Jonathan Haglund (Member # 807) on 07-31-2001, 03:05 AM:
 
I generally do not like to reward the foolish and such would not give a loud woman who forgot her pin # free items. In fact, I would have to fight off the painful urge to laugh at the very suggestion that I would have to compensate her for her lack of memory retention. Its not worth it in any respect since the reward would encourage the stupidity, degrade my image and cause the utter destruction of society and film as we know it. Stand up to the dumb. The grand majority of people, when presented with the kinds of situations we deal with regularly, will react similarly to how we do, and eventually the stupid will die off or just get a home entertainment system.
 
Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 07-31-2001, 03:29 PM:
 
Evans,

Thanks I can't belive I forgot the cell phone rule. That is the number one rule at the Telluride Film Festival.

I like the idea of a 7 minute Buggs Bunney cartoon to explain all the rules.
 


Posted by Paul Konen (Member # 41) on 07-31-2001, 04:36 PM:
 
7B. Don't use your cell phone to call the main theatre number to request the volume be adjusted in the movie you are watching or to see if we can bring in popcorn for you.

Paul.
 


Posted by Taplie Coile (Member # 864) on 07-31-2001, 07:29 PM:
 
Paul-

You beat me to that one. I thought I was the only one that had that happen. Although my caller had a problem with the lens.....

Taplie



 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-31-2001, 09:29 PM:
 
I don't know if I completely agree with rule 7B. The person would actually be doing the entire audience a favor.
 
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 08-01-2001, 07:53 AM:
 
Brad said: "I don't know if I completely agree with rule 7B. The person would actually be doing the entire audience a favor."

I agree! If there is a problem, let the theatre personnel know immediately. But discretely and politely leave your seat to inform them in person, rather than using your cell phone.


------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


 


Posted by Joshua Voorhies (Member # 824) on 08-01-2001, 08:12 PM:
 
All these rules are common sense for 99% of patrons.

Unfortunately, it's that 1% or so that think businesses exist for the purpose of kissing their ass that ruins it for everyone. These people use and abuse our system for their advantage, why the good patrons don't get all the freebies. They think if they bitch and moan loud enough, make enough threats, ect, you will give them free stuff (Unfortunately, they're usually right).
With people like that, I find nothing pisses them off more than saying "no."
Frankly, I don't think any business should go out of their way to appease trouble-making patrons. It just encourages them to create trouble again. It's a fundamental psychological concept: "Behaviour that is rewarded gets repeated." I stay stand up to them, and If they don't like it, they can stay home and smoke their crack.
 


Posted by Jim Ziegler (Member # 86) on 08-01-2001, 11:54 PM:
 
Bad day Voorhies?
 
Posted by Jesse Skeen (Member # 586) on 08-02-2001, 05:16 AM:
 
I worry most about the ones with kids. It looks like they're saying "look at what Mommy does to get stuff!" When a customer complains about something that is genuinely a problem you should do something to make it up to them, but when you KNOW they're complaining just for the sake of complaining, what to do?
A bad experience with no effort to make up for it can make a customer stay away forever though. I went to a UA theater to see the last "Snow White" reissue because at the time Disney said it would NEVER be on video, period- well the experience made me wish I did have it on video because this print was scratched, and the sound was so low you couldn't hear the dialogue. When I spoke to a manager about this afterwards, she just said "Yes, unfortunately they expect us to run the films and work down here at the same time, and it's just too hard!" She didn't seem to care when I said that was the last movie I'd ever see there (I did end up going back a couple years later, this manager was probably gone but the entire show was out of focus so apparently not much had changed.) It would have made all the difference in the world if I'd gotten a pass to another show where hopefully they could prove this was just a one-time occurrence.
 
Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 08-02-2001, 10:52 AM:
 
I think part of the big problem is people haven't been taught manners. They don't know that it's rude to inflict themselves on you. Some of this might come from the influence of video in the home. People are used to talking out loud having the phone ring talking to there kids and having their kids ask them questions all the way through the video. The children just think they are at home and can do anything they did at home at the theater. And, their parents are to stupid/ignorant to tell them otherwise. Last night my wife and I went to the theater and all the way through the movie the kid behind us (who was way to young to appreciate what was going on) kept say "Daddy, what's.....?" etc. Both my wife and I kept turning around and the parents would just sit there and finally one of the lunk heads would say ok (junior) you must whisper. I've noticed this alot with other "common manners" too. Like when you're going through a door, you hold the door open so that the person walking behind you can put their hand on the door and it doesn't close in their face. I'm not talking about being a door man, just that 1 or 2 second extra door hold. It's got to be ignorance. Either that or it's the age of generation F__k You. I think I'm getting old

------------------
Greg Mueller
Amateur Astronomer, Machinist, Filmnut
http://www.muellersatomics.com/
 


Posted by Michael Brown (Member # 890) on 08-05-2001, 07:44 AM:
 
Rule 8b: When attending a childrens film that contains animals (eg 102 Dalmatians, Cats and Dogs,)do not spend the entire time commenting loudly with your children on how certain animals are eg cute. Sentences spoken loudly to your children such as "Look at the cute doggy Charlie" should be avoided.
 
Posted by Richard C. Wolfe (Member # 431) on 08-06-2001, 01:27 AM:
 
Joshua:

I couldn't agree with you more. When WE make a mistake or do anything that ruins the patrons ability to enjoy the show or their visit to our theatre, we will offer either a pass or refund, along with an apology. However, if we have done nothing wrong and the patron is one of those complainers that is just trying to get something for free... they get nothing! Why should we encourage them to return when it is those patrons that usually ruin the show for the others.

That is why our motto is: "The customer is always right, EXCEPT when the're wrong"!
 


Posted by Matthew Bailey (Member # 601) on 08-06-2001, 11:24 PM:
 
To J.C Cowles:You should also add another rule: No powwow dancing in auditoriums except when lights are brightened during end credits
or when lights are brightened with no film running.All dancing
must stop when lights dim.
 
Posted by Jim Ziegler (Member # 86) on 08-07-2001, 04:58 AM:
 
Rule 9 - Don't take a swing at an usher. That will get the police called.

Rule 10 - Don't shout profanities at the top of your lungs at the pay phone by the box office, especially when police are already at the theatre, two feet away from you, dealing with #9

Rule 10a - If you violate rule 10, don't argue with the cop when he tells you to hang up the phone.

Rule 10b - Playing the race card is stupid and ineffective.. Especially when you are white.

Rule 11 - Don't come back to the theatre after having been thrown out a previous day and refuse to leave until you get a refund. Especially if the cops are still there dealing with the situation in rule 9...

Rule 11a - When violating rule 11, don't claim you are going to sue over the price of your $10 tickets.. It just makes you look like an idiot...

And this was on a Monday.....
 


Posted by Joshua Voorhies (Member # 824) on 08-08-2001, 01:52 AM:
 
Rule 12: Don't play the race card period. It ruins it for the people who really do get discriminated against. Also, don't play the race card when your one of maybe 6 people to get kicked out of an auditorium with 200 people of the same color.

Here's something I can't say but wish I could:
"You're just doing that because I'm black."
"Yes, yes I am."
 


Posted by Arthur Allen (Member # 969) on 08-11-2001, 09:24 PM:
 
quote:
A drive-in theatre manager that I know had a problem with a laser pointer on his screen during a movie one evening a couple of seasons ago and when he figured out who was doing it it turned out to be a lady who was with her children.

A few years ago I went to a presentation of Aardman shorts at a repertory theater. About halfway into the show I noticed that someone was shining a flashlight on the screen, and it was coming from a family of one mother and several kids. Since I could see who was doing it, it would be easy to report them. Unfortunately, this was a newer auditorium stacked on an older one, and I would have to go way downstairs to get someone's attention. I had to weigh missing part of the show against seeing the rest of it with a flashlight being waved up and down across the screen. Also, the mother would know who complained because she would have seen me go out, and she would probably grouse about how she had to pay full price at a time of day when most theaters charge matinee prices, and how most of the shorts aren't geared towards kids, etc., etc.


 


Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 08-12-2001, 12:11 AM:
 
(Old trick for the people in the balcony when someone in the orchestra is acting up.) Paper napkin. Coke dip. Shape into wad. Aim well and fire. Satisfying "Splort!" against back of head of offending audience member. Look innocent and try not to laugh.

 
Posted by Jim Ziegler (Member # 86) on 08-12-2001, 02:14 AM:
 
Rule 12 - Don't plaot how to sneak in your 16 year old girlfrined into an R rated movie when you are 2 feet from a manager..

Rule 12a - When caught, be thankful you were allowed a refund, and quit whining.

Rule 12b - After causing a big scene and annoying the management with your whining, don't try to sneak her in the next day.
 


Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 08-12-2001, 09:55 AM:
 
7c. When entering the auditorium of a show-in-progress (ie, you're *late*), it is not necessary to notify everyone of how dark it is. Please allow a moment for your eyes to adjust before groping about to see if the seats are occupied.

 
Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 08-12-2001, 12:15 PM:
 
Ok here is one that is particularly true with large theatres though certainly true for any theatre

Rule XVI (or whatever we are up to): HAVE YOUR TICKET READY! When loading 800+ people in from a long line, particulalry if it is nasty weather, don't wait until you get to the doorman to go hunting for your ticket. If you have come to the door unprepaired, then please don't stand in the way of the remaining 750 people who are trying to come in. Oh and also STOP laughing about the situation..it is only funny to YOU!

Steve

------------------
"Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"
 


Posted by Joshua Voorhies (Member # 824) on 08-13-2001, 05:40 AM:
 
Rule 12c- Being a citizen of the city in which the theatre was built does not entitle you to act like an ass.

Rule 13-Don't grab your crotch and make lewd suggestions to an usher. That will get you banned.
 


Posted by Steve Scott (Member # 630) on 08-13-2001, 10:48 AM:
 
Here's another:

You don't need to applaud at the end of the film. Neither the director, the cast, or anyone else involved with the making of the picture will probably be able to hear you!

***-unless the applause is explicitly directed at the theater staff...

 


Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 08-13-2001, 02:16 PM:
 
quote:
You don't need to applaud at the end of the film. Neither the director, the cast, or anyone else involved with the making of the picture will probably be able to hear you!


There have been very few movies I've attended in which the audience has applauded at the end. These have been the Star Wars rereleases in early 1997, and only 2 or 3 others since then. This is so rare in my area that it is a sure sign that the audience truly enjoyed the movie, so this certainly should not be a "rule".

That said, the goal of the studios should be to produce movies that make the audience want to applaud when the credits start rolling. They're few and far between.

------------------
Evans A Criswell
Huntsville-Decatur Movie Theatre Information Site
 


Posted by Jan Kisluk (Member # 868) on 08-13-2001, 04:31 PM:
 
Audience applause means that everyone including us has done there job correctly. It personally makes me happy that we helped make the audience happy.
 
Posted by Jason Black (Member # 684) on 08-14-2001, 09:35 AM:
 
Not following the numbers very well, but after this past weekend, this surely needs to be added.

Rule: YOU are responsible for your own personal items. ie, wallets, hats, purses, keys, umbrellas, etc... If you misplace them, rather, forget them, bear in mind that no matter what, it is YOUR MISTAKE NOT OURS. IF said item can not be found, do not demand that MY staff stole your stuff. I highly doubt they have any desire for that paisley umbrella anyway. And as for wallets, should a customer bring a lost wallet to us, we are in absolutely no f'n way responsible for any lost/missing contents. Tough . Keep up with your wallet. I could care less that you have 4 kids with you and your attention may have been diverted. If you are that shallow minded you shouldn't be alone with four kids in the first place.

Yes, I'm bitter. We actually had a woman this wknd leave her wallet somewhere in my theatre. At this point, after police talking to my asst, the woman, and a concessionist, I am still undetermined as to where the wallet was left. It's a long story, but the point is this beyyatch (I said I was !) kept us tied up for 2.5 hours trying to make me & trhe police believe that one of my asst't stole her money. Whatever lady. If it were an employee I didn't really trust, who knows, but one I trust with my operations? Hardly.

When will people take responsibiltyies for their own ignorant actions? I politely told the woman that it didn't matter if the wallet were only left for 2 minutes out of her sight, we were simply not held accountable for it.

Rant off.

------------------
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!
 


Posted by Tao Yue (Member # 836) on 08-14-2001, 09:36 AM:
 
Applause is so rare and comments favorably on all elements of the show -- the quality of the presentation, the quality of the film, and the degree of involvement of the audience.

If it happens when I'm projecting, I feel that I've just made several hundred people happy. If I'm in the audience, it makes me glad that I watched film in a theater rather than video/DVD on a television.

I'm curious as to why Steve Scott holds the opposite opinion of audience applause. If audiences are so impressed by the film, even if the applause is directly heard by only a few, word does get passed around.

------------------
Tao Yue
MIT '04: Course VI-2, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
Projectionist, MIT Lecture Series Committee
 


Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 08-14-2001, 09:51 AM:
 
In the 50s it was pretty standard (as I remember it as a kid) that people applauded at the end of the film. I thought it was kind of pleasant and somewhat miss it. It's part of "the collective dream" experience that makes up movie going (for me anyway)

------------------
Greg Mueller
Amateur Astronomer, Machinist, Filmnut
http://www.muellersatomics.com/
 


Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-15-2001, 07:02 PM:
 
I remember once we played one of those "four wall" films (where the theatre is rented out to the film company for a set fee) and whatever movie we played, there was a trailer attached to the front which was kind of a "policy" trailer. I think they assumed that most people in the audience were not frequent moviegoers...anyway I remember the narrator (it was a guy sitting at a desk) saying "...and if you enjoy the picture, by all means, applaud at the end!"

I think applause is kind of cool...it means the audience was really caught up in the movie.
 


Posted by Steve Scott (Member # 630) on 08-15-2001, 10:28 PM:
 
Some movies do deserve applause, but I've seen audiences applaud after "Big Momma's House" & "Heartbreakers"... Not that those were totally awful, but should be a pretty high quality movie to demand that kind recognition. The epic movies of the 50's are perfect examples of when applause is deserved.
 
Posted by Paul Turner (Member # 832) on 08-15-2001, 11:47 PM:
 
We have been getting regular applause for "Himalaya." See it and you'll know why.

Yet another rule: Offering to share your bottle of cheap wine with the manager will not make it ok to bring into a movie. Alcohol is still not allowed. (BTW, my manager has been sober for 12 years and can smell alcohol two counties away.)

Now, if I could only find a paisley umbrella . . . .
 


Posted by Christopher M. Belch (Member # 846) on 08-16-2001, 01:48 AM:
 
Ok, with the applause thing, for the movies that warrant it, i say go ahead. However, i see Steve's point. Work in an imax theater and people applaud after just about every show, it does get kinda old. Especially after trex (i sure hope the people are applauding for the 3D effects and not the plot)!!!

Most of the ushers dont set the concessions prices. Its a movie theater, they re overpriced, deal with it, all theaters are overpriced and you know it. If you dont like the price, do what i do, dont buy anything. But please dont complain to the host, they dont set the prices.

Obviously no cell phones in the theater. However, just cuz the credits are running, doesn't mean you can use you phone then. In fact, even after the credits are done, it is still rude to talk on you cell phone in the auditorium--your call can wait the extra minute that it will take you to walk outside.

If someone behind you is talking or kicking your seat, dont wait until aver the 1- 2 hour show to tell us and complain, wanting your cash back. Kindly ask them to keep it down, most people will respect that and shut up. If not, tell a host and they will do something (this especially applies in an imax theater where most theaters are required to staff each show with at least two hosts at the back of the theater). After the show is over there is nothing we can do about it.

Just my few rules in addition to the others.

 


Posted by Mark Ogden (Member # 43) on 08-16-2001, 10:33 AM:
 
Greg is absolutely right . . . in fact, I can remember in the late fifties and early sixties, people would applaud the names of the stars in the opening credits. This didn't die down till the late sixties, at least in my little town.

Anyway, I'd like to suggest these additions to the rules list (with apologies to Ian Price):

1. Patrons must wait until the closing credits before running to the back of the house to make shadow puppets in the projector beam.
2. During showings of "Rocky Horror", you must have the manager's permission before riding your motorcycle down the center aisle.
3. Ticketholders who exit the theater after the "Harry Potter" trailer and then demand a full refund will be bitch-slapped by the assistant manager.
4. In our single screen theaters, customers approaching the ticket counter saying things like "two tickets for (name of movie)" will be singled out for intense ridicule.



 


Posted by Jim Ziegler (Member # 86) on 08-16-2001, 01:20 PM:
 
Whats even more annoying than people saying what movie they want for a single, is when they walk up to the box office of my 20 screen and say "two please"...
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-16-2001, 01:41 PM:
 
Another thing I hate is people who start leaving when the movie is 3 minutes from ending. As soon as the "final resolution" scene begins, they are heading for their cars (and talking all the way up the aisles). These are the same idiots who leave concerts early and miss the encores.

 
Posted by Jesse Skeen (Member # 586) on 08-16-2001, 06:38 PM:
 
I still think everyone should stay til the VERY end of the movie, including the credits, so it drives me absolutely nuts to see people leave before the credits even start! I saw a few people leave during the closing scene in "Pearl Harbor", they must've thought "Well, that's the end of the movie, it's just gonna show them living happily ever after!" It is kinda funny to watch people leaving in the middle just because they don't like the movie though- I always like to check which part made them leave.
 
Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 08-16-2001, 09:08 PM:
 
More single screen movie title stuff....

Getting to the boxoffice and saying "two tickets for .... uh.... <looking for the menu board> then saying the title!

They made it all the way to the boxoffice and still didn't know what they wanted to see in the single theatre!

Steve

------------------
"Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"
 


Posted by Arthur Allen (Member # 969) on 08-17-2001, 02:12 PM:
 
When I saw Chicken Run at a Regal Cinema, the automation didn't turn on the lights at the start of the credits, so everyone stumbled out of the theater in the dark. I stayed to the end, and saw that there was an extra scene at the end of the credits. Then another page of credits started up, and THEN the lights came on. Either they kept the lights off as a subtle clue to stay for the last scene, or they backed up to the scene before the last bit of credits during makeup and thought that was the start of the credits.


 


Posted by Steve Scott (Member # 630) on 08-17-2001, 06:01 PM:
 
I agree: Learn the title of the movie you're going to see!!

Just last week, a box office employee told me about a customer whose only clue to the title of the movie he wanted to see was a flapping motion that he made with his arms!
I read a statistic last year that said 75% of patrons don't know what movie they're going to see when they get to the theater. And then, they think that they can complain about long lines at box offices!

Every major paper in America has a listing of both movie showtimes & DESCRIPTIONS at least once a week! Failing that, theaters ought to have a listing of the descriptions of the films. I don't think that all of this is just wishful thinking.

 


Posted by Joshua Voorhies (Member # 824) on 08-18-2001, 05:47 AM:
 
A few more rules for box office (hope this post doesn't sound too angry):

1. When trying to decide on a movie and looking at all the mylars and times above the cashiers head, don't ask if that's all the movies they have. They're not hiding any.

2. When you've decided on your movie, don't ask if that's all the times they have. They're not hiding any.

3. Don't fling your credit card at the cashier when buying tickets. They take cash only, and will fling it back at you. If you're nice they'll tell you where the ATM is.

4. Don't go up to the window and ask "Is this an AMC?" when there is a forty-foot glowing sign on the front of the building that says "Cinemark."

5. Don't bring a print-out of a no-name website that has out-of-date showtimes or ticket pricings on it. If the website isn't owned by us, we have no control over it and cannot be responsible for what they screw up or don't update.

6. Don't look up show times at our sister theatre, come to ours and bitch because the movie isn't playing at the time you came. The ad clearly states which column is for which theatre. Words mean things.

7. If you have a bad experience at our theatre do to your own utter stupidity, then proceed to act like an ass to the manager, don't demand free passes. We are under no obligation to kiss your ass. Try AMC.
 


Posted by Jim Ziegler (Member # 86) on 08-18-2001, 06:14 AM:
 
Another bad day Voorhies???
 
Posted by Steve Scott (Member # 630) on 08-19-2001, 12:40 AM:
 
And one more...
If the theater uses the little gels for the showtimes, have the common sense to look at the top of the board & determine if the movies have their respective times above of below the mylar (most will be above). There has been too much unnecessary confusion from this!
 
Posted by Joshua Voorhies (Member # 824) on 08-19-2001, 04:07 AM:
 
Ziegler-

While my posts may come off as moody, at least they're interesting.

Before I state another rule, I'd just like to point out that ALL the rules listed here are common sense for 99% of the population and only apply to stupid people. Unfortunately, I don't think any stupid people are on film-tech.

One more rule you already know unless you're a total fucking moron: if there are tinsa-barriers across the lobby, that means the lobby is closed. No, the concession stand isn't open. That's why there's ropes blocking access to the concession stand. If we were still selling concession items an hour and a half after the last movie had started, we wouldn't rope it off. The fact that you have to go under, over, or remove a physical barrier should clue you into this. Not that we don't appreciate taking your parents' money, but we have security concerns as well.
 


Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-19-2001, 01:32 PM:
 
We have a nice, 6" tall sign that sits right on the concession counter saying "SNACK BAR CLOSED." The concession people turn off the lights and put this sign up when they leave. Still I get morons who walk up to the counter, stand there, and then come find me in the office and say "Can I still get a Pepsi??"

I usually get it for them (hey, a buck is a buck) but ARRRRRRGH!!!
 


Posted by Steve Scott (Member # 630) on 08-19-2001, 11:44 PM:
 
We have a big lobby with two sides of concessions stations. On a busy night we close down one side first if we've had both open. When this happens, we put up a modest sized "CLOSED" sign at each station (that's six signs total). Yet every night there are people wandering over to the closed side to see if the people cleaning up are still selling anything! We even turn off all lights (menu signs, coke towers, icee machines) except for a few alcove lights to illustrate the point that we're closed!
It reminds me of the scenes from Clerks where Dante puts up the huge sign out front "I assure you, we're open" and every customer for the rest of the day asks upon entering "You Open?"

So...
1. Observe when a concession station/stand is open or closed.

and another one that I noticed today:
2. If the theater sells Icees, don't call them "Freezies" or "Slushies" or "Mr. Misties", or even (as I actually once had them called) "Coolies"


 


Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 08-20-2001, 11:09 AM:
 
No, Joshua did not have a bad day.

However, I did come across a woman at the stadium theater near me last Saturday who asked the box office ladies why there was no 7:30 show of The Others. The theater had the sneak preview of Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back. D'oh!


 


Posted by Randy Loy (Member # 112) on 08-21-2001, 10:45 AM:
 
Here is a rule to add:

If you want to see a movie that is playing at a DRIVE-IN theatre, think before you call or stop by and ask if there are any matinee shows DURING THE DAY!


 


Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 08-22-2001, 07:29 AM:
 
Here are my rules:

1. Don't tell the manager that his kids will grow up to be obese serial killers just because he wouldnt let you change your baby's diaper on the concession counter.

2. Don't tell a 15 year sound engineering veteran that YOU know how sound works.

3. Don't proceed to pour your refilled coke into the candy case and then expect another refill.

4. Don't skateboard into the front of the car driving past the box office at excessive speed.

5. Don't tell the manager that the movie is out of focus when you are only watching the slideshow presentation fifteen minutes before the movie.

6. Don't squish your junior mints into the floor.

7. Nachos are not a screen decoration.

8. Theater jumping directly preceeds patron roof chucking.

9. DTS does not mean Down Town Sound, Direct Theater Sound, Digital Tower Sound, Dolby Theater Sound, Dipolar Triampering Sound, or any other of the stupid things I hear guys tell thier girlfriends.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST...

10. MOVIES IN THEATERS ARE NOT ON VIDEO TAPE... WE CANNOT REWIND IT AND START OVER!!!
 


Posted by Joshua Voorhies (Member # 824) on 08-22-2001, 10:14 PM:
 
We get a lot of requests to "rewind" the film when there's a projection mishap (take 20 screens and consider there's nothing but Christy equipment on each one...). The General Manager now makes it a point to show every new employee our projectors and platters and how film CANNOT be "rewound."
I like the customer who said other theatres have rewound it for her before...
 
Posted by Andy Muirhead (Member # 712) on 08-23-2001, 06:22 PM:
 
Maybe she went to a cinema that used towers?
 
Posted by Michael Gonzalez (Member # 593) on 08-23-2001, 06:55 PM:
 
Well... If the movie is in the very beginning (like the first ten minutes or so) than it is possiable to cut the film wind it back into the center ring and drop that back into the center of the platter. So it is like rewinding. Also you can pull the ring out in such a way that you can "Fast Forward" through the policies and most of the previews by starting the movie at the attached preview so they wont have to see everything a second time.
 
Posted by Christopher M. Belch (Member # 846) on 08-23-2001, 09:27 PM:
 
Sorry steve, but they will always be "slushies," regardless of what they actually are (besides, i think slushie is the generic name, icee is the brand name).

Could someone please explain to some of the operations staff that there is no rewind button on the projector. I have actually heard that from staff before, even from a few supervisors (now i realize that the supervisors are not technical wizards, but cmon, you should at least know this much).
 


Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 08-23-2001, 09:38 PM:
 
The rewind button is located just below the film stretcher assembly on a Century.
 
Posted by Joshua Voorhies (Member # 824) on 08-24-2001, 04:17 AM:
 
FYI- the customer who said that another theatre rewound the film for her was talking about a competing megaplex. We're talking platters here.
I absolutely dread the time I spend with customers waiting for the passes to come down the tubes from the cash office. I swear they stand there and think-up new things to bitch just to kill time.
Actually, that's not true. There are a few who are happy just to have their voice heard and compensated for their inconvenience.
I don't get many of those.
 
Posted by Joseph Pandolfi (Member # 223) on 08-24-2001, 11:30 PM:
 
ANOTHER RULE NO ONE THOUGHT OF: If a childrens movie like Shrek is playing at 10:30 12:30 and 2:30 and a R rated movie is playing in the same house the remaining times. Don't pile 12 kids in the SUV and bring them down here at 12:29 in the morning. You will be sent home.
 
Posted by Andy Muirhead (Member # 712) on 08-25-2001, 07:03 PM:
 
It is in-fact possible and easy to "rewind" a show on platters, the only problem being the fact that it would require at least two splices and would take about 5-10mins to carry out. It's much easier to deny to people that it's not possible because it would add to downtime, of course if managers/owners were to staff the projection side with more than the bare minimum, then one team could work on the original problem with the other doing this procedure.

I am utterly sick of the way the projection depts are the first ones to suffer due to cutbacks. Where the fuck would they be without us? A glorified sweet shop!

Sorry rant over!

 


Posted by Steve Scott (Member # 630) on 08-25-2001, 11:52 PM:
 
Chris:
I guess that they're all made up of the same matter. I don't get on people for calling Coke products Pepsi (in fact, I don't even tell them we don't sell pepsi ) I'm just getting sick of working on the floor sometimes. There's no drinks sold in the booth.
 
Posted by Richard C. Wolfe (Member # 431) on 08-26-2001, 10:12 PM:
 
Back in the spring when I was playing Billy Elliot, during the Saturday matinee the motor on the projector suddenly slowed down and then stopped. Everyone was treated with the rare experience of watching a single frame melt before their very eyes. I went downstairs and announced that it would be a few minutes until we would be up and running again, and was immediately asked by a patron if we would rewind the film so they wouldn't miss that scene. It was an important scene, I must admit. My answer was: "Of course we will, as you deserve nothing less for your patience during this time." I then went up stairs and removed the reel from the projector, put it on the rewinder, cut out the melted frame, and rewound it to about a minute prior to where the failure had occurred. I then put the reel on the other projector and restarted the show. Everyone was happy. I'm happy to say that projection failures are far and few here... several times a year possibly. Thanks to having two projectors with 6000 foot reels and automatic changeovers, I have NEVER during the past thirty one years EVER, not even once, had to give a refund or pass for a breakdown. This is the number one reason that there will never be a platter system in my theatre. Do we have breakdowns? Yes, of course we do, but on those rare occasions we get back on the screen in two or three minutes at the most.


 


Posted by Jesse Skeen (Member # 586) on 08-27-2001, 02:25 AM:
 
I can re-start shows that have run into their first half-hour without doing any cutting- I ended up being in a booth during both of California's biggest power outages of the past 5 years, both times the power being out long enough to cancel the shows in progress. During the time the power was out I was able to get the film from the take-up platter back into the middle and ready to start from the beginning for the next show to start when the power finally came back on. If it's more than halfway through the film it's better to just unthread it and "fast-forward" the remainder to the end. I've been able to stop a show during the 3rd or so reel and re-start it from the beginning of that reel, so nothing is missed and only some footage gets played twice, though I've never done that in front of an audience (yet)! (It involves winding the reel-in-progress to the end, taking it off on a reel then putting it back in the center- I tried this once just to see if it could work.)
 
Posted by Bob Ferreira (Member # 102) on 08-28-2001, 11:41 PM:
 
I think there should be a no-littering rule in movie theatres. It is a public area (i know owned privately, but the PUBLIC is there) and if you throw stuff outside in the public you get a fine. Now, i don't mean people should be fined for dropping things on the floor, but i have seen people deliberately throw food on the floor, and have even had customers comment on how it was "their (theatre staff) to clean the theatres. Yeah, that may be in the description, but I'll be damned if people think that we are there to pick up after them. I think we are there to provide good solid entertainment for people and to make sure they have a good time, not clean up after them. So, no throwing crap on the floors and dumping your Hawaiian Punch® on the seats: Rule 16a
 
Posted by Steve Scott (Member # 630) on 08-29-2001, 12:40 AM:
 
On that subject:

Rule 16b: If you get a refill on whatever (if the theater provides refills) either eat/drink most of it or take it home with you, don't leave it in the chair, aisle, floor, etc.

I've picked up bags & cups that were damn near completely full. I'd have to assume that with the high number of refills we get at the stand, and based on the fact that people usually eat a good deal of food while waiting for the film to start (because they paid for it in the first place & probably wouldn't leave it sit on the floor thru the show), that customers are really wasting this stuff. Our large bags are 170 oz., and when people eat a little off of the top after a refill, they're wasting the supplies that could have gone to another paying customer!

Hence, rule 16c: If you're not going to eat it all, don't ask for all of it, and don't throw the rest on the floor!

------------------
http://www.mullerfamilytheatres.com
 


Posted by Richard C. Wolfe (Member # 431) on 08-29-2001, 09:27 AM:
 
Bob, you really hit a sour note on that one. I couldn't agree with you more. I've been in this business over thirty five years now, and have never been able to get a satisfactory answer on how this leaving the trash on the floor busines got started, and why it's been accepted all these years. From all the inquires that I made even back in the sixties with the oldtimers that were still around then from the early days of the biz, it became apparent that it has been part of the business since its inception. Prior to the late thirties or early forties, most theatres didn't have refreshment stands, but some did sell peanuts or popcorn and chocolate bars from a vendor who went up and down the asiles just before the show. When the early nickleodeon theatres first appeared in large numbers between 1908-10 it didn't take aspiring entrepreneurs long to realize that the crowds entering those early theatres were ripe for picking as customers for various refreshments and they quickly either set up a portable stand outside the theatre, or rented a storefront nextdoor to sell various concessions to those moviegoers. As long as theatre owners were making good money from selling movie tickets they didn't seem to be interested in getting involved in concession sales, but during the depression when every extra penny counted, some exhibitors began to offer various concessions as a means of extra income. The small town and neighborhood houses were the first to offer the goodies. The large movie palaces held out longer then most as they were too proud to "stoop" that low to sell concessions. However, regardless of where the concessions came from, it seemed that it was always accepted as part of doing business to put up with the trash left behind. Theatres have for as long as I can remember run trailers asking people to please use the trash cans, but that has never been very effective. Back in the sixties after the TV scare, when new theatres began to be built again, it was a policy at many to prohibit drinks and ice cream to be taken into the auditoriums to prevent sticky floors, and limit the trash left behind. That was never popular with the patrons and died out by the early seventies for the most part.

So how do we change it now? Good question. I don't have the answer, but I've have often wondered what would happen if we (theatre operators and or employees) went into, lets say, a doctors office and ate something in the waiting room, and left the trash on the floor.

I'd like to hear suggestions on how we can get people to pick up after themselves.
 


Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 08-29-2001, 10:12 AM:
 
Richard, It will not be easy to get the people to change their ways. However, I do think that a few things have to happen to help the patron do the right thing. You may have to enlist the participation of NATO to help.

1. Develop a 30 second or 60 second trailer done with humor showing people watching a movie up to their elbows in trash. Then show that same audience walking out and throwing the trash into:

2. Receptacles provided by management. There could be an usher standing by the receptacle thanking the patrons and handing the people using the receptacle, a discount on their next on concessions on their next visit.

3. You may want to make a personal appeal to the audience to carry the trash out and receive the coupon.

Good Evening ladies and Gentleman,

My name is Joe Redifer and I would like to welcome you to tonight's show. The film will begin in just a moment, I want to let you know we now have receptacles outside the entrance (or by the exit doors ) for the popcorn boxes and drink cups. All persons disposing of their trash at the receptacles will receive a coupon for a discount on your next visit.

Thank you and enjoy the show. You never know until you try.


 


Posted by Randy Loy (Member # 112) on 08-29-2001, 10:36 AM:
 
Bob,

As far as the humorous anti-littering trailer goes, it seems to me that the (fabulous) Byrd Theatre in Richmond, Virginia, did a nice in-house trailer several years ago that was exactly for that purpose.
As I recall it shows people screaming and running out of that theatre, sort of in a campy 1950's "The Blob" style, and then the camera takes the viewers inside to see what the people were running away from. It's TRASH, of course. It's been several years since I've been to the Byrd but maybe our friend Bill Enos can tell us whether my memory serves me correctly or whether I've gone off the deep end.
 


Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 08-29-2001, 10:44 AM:
 
Bob Maar said: "You never know until you try."

I agree. Better communication and a little "guidance" will go a long way in helping the audience keep the theatre clean and not disturb others with unknowingly rude behavior (e.g., cell phones or talking during the movie). The vast majority of people want to "follow the rules" and be polite, but sometimes, they just don't know the "rules" or need to be gently reminded and rewarded for following them.

IMHO, the "personal touch" of a live announcement or a "thank you" as people leave is more effective than a stale policy trailer. For example, I find most travelers ignore the pre-recorded flight safety videos, but still pay attention if the flight attendant does the safety demo in person.


------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


 


Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-29-2001, 02:31 PM:
 
Trash cans by the exits are the best thing. The policy trailers are useless with kids, who have a 10-minute attention span...they barely remember the movie they've just seen, let alone the policy trailer they saw two hours ago.

I like the coupon/usher thing. We did a somewhat similar thing once...we got a supply of "EntertainMints" from Warner Bros., then everyone who put their cups in the trash got a box of mints. Everyone liked it, but I don't know if it improved our trash situation. I like the coupon idea though.

If I could invent anything, it would be the unremovable cup lid (which would be supplied with the un-tearable paper cup).
 


Posted by Bob Ferreira (Member # 102) on 08-29-2001, 10:35 PM:
 
It's not only the people who get the refils, but the people who complain about how much concessions cost, get the biggest items (candy, corn or soda) and then eat none of it. I have had this happen too many times, where a person says "oh my god 6 dollars for a large popcorn" and then they buy it and when we go to clean, they have left the entire thing there, maybe a handful eaten out of it. Talk about a waste.
 
Posted by Jim Ziegler (Member # 86) on 09-03-2001, 12:11 PM:
 
Rule whatever: When searching for your ticket stubs, don't accidentally drop a weapon...
 
Posted by Sean McKinnon (Member # 612) on 09-03-2001, 02:01 PM:
 
Just a little side note, my company Loews Cineplex Entertainment is running a promotion where customers can produce thier own :30 policy trailer. They will be judged and the winner will be used as Loews' new trailer
 




Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.3.1.2