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Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 08-19-2003, 05:11 PM:

I do not watch too many movies in a theatre any more for various reasons including excessive talking, cel phone use and late comers. You can add another reason why I do not feel bad about watching movies at home . I decided to see an early evening movie instead of a matinee last Sunday and went to Consolidated's Pearl Ridge complex to see "SEABISCUIT" in house #13. It was the 7:00 showing and before the show started there were only six other people in the auditorium. Shortly before the feature started, in walked a couple who sat a couple of seats away from me and started talking for a little bit and settled down and became quiet. This did not last long because about midway through the movie, they started to talk again and the guy lit a cigarette and permeated the entire auditorium with the filthy stench from the smoke. It is unlawful here in Honolulu to smoke in public buildings especially theatres and restaurants. When this idio started to smoke, I thought about leaving but decided to stay because I was really enjoying the movie but the remainder of the film was no fun to watch anymore. Has anyone have a similar experience? I have noticed that once the feature starts, no one comes in to monitor the auditorium. Is this common practice with all theatres or just with our theatres operated my Consolidated and Signature,. We do have some Wallace Theatre but I consider them a moot point when it comes to customer relation and satisfaction.

Claude

Posted by Martin Brooks (Member # 1269) on 08-19-2003, 05:20 PM:

Smoking has been illegal in NYC theaters for many years, so it hasn't been an issue.

More recently, smoking has become illegal in virtually all indoor public places, including bars. Many people are opposed to this although I would venture to guess that NYC has a lower smoking rate than most other places. It has caused some problems: there have been some fights between patrons and bouncers that resulted in the death of at least one bouncer and now that patrons congregate outside to smoke, neighborhoods are complaining about the additional noise. Owners seem to be split on the issue: I would say a majority feel their business has been hurt, but there are many others who claim that either it hasn't been hurt or that it's actually improved because patrons are willing to stay longer without the smoke.

As for me, I have given a lot more business to music clubs since the ban began. I used to hate walking out of these places and reeking of smoke. Even in winter, I would leave my coat in the car, otherwise it would have to be cleaned after each outing.

One other problem with the ban is that European tourists hate it and can't believe they can't smoke in a restaurant or a bar. There have been claims that tourists have avoided NYC for this reason, but I find that a little hard to believe.

Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 08-19-2003, 05:36 PM:

If anybody tried to smoke in a movie theatre here, they'd be risking their life! They might get beaten senseless by the anti-smoking crowd. I can't remember the last time I saw someone try to smoke in a movie theatre. Smoking was recently banned here in Eugene even in places like bars, and has been banned in most public places for many years. If someone lit up during a movie, I wouldn't hesitate to tell the manager "There's some nimrod smoking in there" and let him/her deal with it. I wouldn't be shy about asking for a raincheck either. The theatre has some responsibility in this.

Regal regularly walks the auditoriums here, sometimes more than once during a show. I'm not sure what they're looking for other than picture and sound, but at least they make their presence known to the audience.

Posted by Roger Katz (Member # 1625) on 08-19-2003, 05:47 PM:

I was at an urban Crown theatre last year and some ghetto people showed up late, were laughing noisily (not at the movie), talking, and smoking in the auditorium. I reported this to the manager and as soon as he heard there was smoking going on he got the theatre police officer and ushers and they ran to the theatre to deal with the situation. I wish they had kicked the @sses out, but they posted an usher inside and let them stay. While the smoking did stop they continued to talk and the usher did nothing about it. Later two other ushers joined the first usher and the three of them sat there talking loudly too. needless to say I have never gone back to that theatre again.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 08-19-2003, 05:56 PM:

On the idea smoking bans hurt business, perhaps that might be possible in a bar or night club (many women smoke, and the guys are going to congregate where the women go). But even in this area, the anti-smoking pressure is building up -even here in Oklahoma. It is definitely not "cool" to smoke anymore.

There are a number of marketing studies that show smoking bans actually improve business in other places like restaurants. Lots of people have smoking allergies, asthma or just plain don't want to breathe somebody's second hand smoke. A lot of those people won't enter a business where others are allowed to smoke. Restaurants willing to risk pissing off militant smokers (thus losing some business) will gain the business of more who cannot tolerate cigarettes.

Posted by Dan Lyons (Member # 1454) on 08-19-2003, 07:05 PM:

Last month while seeing "Hedwig and the Angry Inch" with a buddy, the guy in front of us started to smoke. But he didn't have tobacco in his pipe! hahaha [Big Grin]

I don't think anyone around cared. That's some guts to do that in such a public manner.

Danny

Posted by Ron Lacheur (Member # 1126) on 08-19-2003, 07:13 PM:

I've seen a person smoking in a movie theater. It was about 6-7 years ago, actually I think it was opening night of Lost World and this theater had a half wall between the back wall and the last row of seats. I could see the glowing end of a cigarette in the corner.

Another story, same theater, someone lit one of those magazines they give away in the lobby on fire. The theater REALLY smelled bad and the manager came in and was looking row to row. They weren't caught though.

Posted by Will Kutler (Member # 770) on 08-19-2003, 07:34 PM:

I have found the the Tucson Police Department to be a bunch of morons, the reason why people tend to be disrespectful to cops!

On one occasion, some gang-bang teenage punks lit up some reefers in one auditorium of a Century Theatres 20 plex where I worked as a projectionist. The stench permated outside the particular auditorium in question and around the lobby and hallways of this complex. There were several complaints from both customers and theatre employees, and the Tucson Police Department was called. Although these gangbangers were visibally under the influence, the cops refused to arrest them because they were not in physical position of a reefer/reefers when busted. Instead, the remnants of the reefers were ashes on the floor at their feet, but the cops said that this was not evidence enough. But the cops did escort them from the theatre. As expected, these gangbangers were not too happy and hung around the theatre/shopping mall grounds until after the show let out. They then tried to intimidate both theatre employees and the customers who initiated the origonal complaint, who happened to be a group of young ladies. The Tucson Police Department was no where to be found.

Posted by Brad Allen (Member # 470) on 08-19-2003, 08:18 PM:

Claude, you should NEVER hesitate to go out and grab a manager and insist he/she handle the offender. Even with regular checks of the auditorium it is very hard to catch offenders without other patrons reporting it first.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 08-20-2003, 12:46 AM:

quote:
As expected, these gangbangers were not too happy and hung around the theatre/shopping mall grounds until after the show let out. They then tried to intimidate both theatre employees and the customers who initiated the origonal complaint, who happened to be a group of young ladies. The Tucson Police Department was no where to be found.

That would be funny for those idiots to pull that garbage around here. Try that on a crowd exiting a Lawton theater and they'll likely be staring at the barrel of more than one handgun.

Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 08-20-2003, 01:33 AM:

Brad,
I thought about doing what you had suggested but I do agree with what Will said about facing these people after the movie. To them, I am an old man and someone they think they can intimidate but if push came to shove, I can still take care of myself but I do not feel it is worth going through all that trouble. I still feel the theatre staff people should monitor their auditoriums from time to time. If someone walked into house #13 about midway, they would have smelled the smoke and knew someone was smoking and hopefully do something about it.

-Claude

Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 08-20-2003, 02:24 AM:

In many cities, smoking in an auditorium is a violation of fire code & will get the theater shut down. You have only the choices of being aggravated because you have to put up with it, or the aggravation of having the theatrical experience made worse by having to miss part of the show to get a manager, but those are the two choices at that point.

Haha, non-smoking NYC now. Sheesh, I remember going to the movies in NYC & sitting & smoking in the balcony (which was set aside for that), or sitting in a floor seat looking up at that classic haze of smoke & smokers up in the balcony. That's one reason so many people smoke in films - it looks so visually interesting & good in the light. Black & white especially.

Posted by Carl Martin (Member # 1146) on 08-20-2003, 04:18 AM:

i would have had a fit. i have fielded complaints of smoking in the theater, and while it was obvious that it had been going on, it was extraordinarily hard to pinpoint. as soon as you walk in, the puffing stops. i'm convinced i've smelled it in the bathroom too, but never caught anyone in the act. it's pretty frustrating. if you want to know why theaters aren't checked very much, read the thread about proper staffing.

what also bugs me is people who smoke directly outside the theater (including much of the staff). the smoke drifts right in. personally, i refuse service to people smoking when they approach the box office. we actually have an unenforced ordinance prohibiting smoking within 20 feet of a doorway or vent. of course, when they finish smoking the butt flies onto the sidewalk, not into the ashtray we provide. i fail to see why this ubiquitous form of littering is seen as acceptable.

carl

Posted by Peter Kerchinsky (Member # 1098) on 08-20-2003, 04:35 AM:

Claude
I agree with Brad. You should have complained to a staffer or manager and had those idiots removed. In Washington, no smoking in public places, period.
I smoke, probably alot more than I should, but never, never in a public place.....except for our local watering hole.
Don't put up with this. It's illegal. Have them thrown out buddy.

Posted by Richard C. Wolfe (Member # 431) on 08-20-2003, 09:12 AM:

Carl, you have hit on something that has irritated me for a long time. What is it that tells smokers to throw away their butts on the floor or sidewalk? I know people that would never think of littering in any other way, who actually go out of their way and pick up trash when they see it, but think nothing of throwing their butts down when finished with a cigarette.

We have an ashtray in the lobby just inside the front doors before you get to the ticket taker. It is always empty. Sometimes weeks go by without one butt being placed there. I would have one outside but local fire ordinance prohibits the placement of anything in the path of exit or in front of any door and our doors are the exact same width as the vestibule. Ordinance also prohibits placing anything on the public sidewalk. Therefore the only place we can have one is inside, but everyone throws them away before entering.

Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 08-20-2003, 10:49 AM:

Smoking in theaters is a no-no whether there are laws/ordinances or not.

I just about any other situation, a person who doesn't like the smoke can (and should have the right to) ask the smoker to "move downwind". (AND a courteous person would move down when asked!)

In a theater it's not possible to ask: It's dark and hard to see... It's rude to talk in a theater when there are other people... and lots of other reasons.

It's just weird how people don't realize that when they smoke, about a dozen (at least) other people have to sit behind them and watch the movie through their collumn of smoke. The projector beam lights it up and it's sometimes impossible to even see the screen if the smoke is heavy enough.

When I have had to ask smokers to put out their cigs, I tell them that and a look of dawning comprehension often comes across their faces. Strange! It just makes sense to me!

Any business owner who thinks he can make money by not allowing smoking should have the right to post his establishment as "No Smoking". OTOH, any business owner who thinks he can make more money by allowing it should have the right as well.

Ordinances or not, a theater owner who thought he could make a buck could try a designated "Smoking Allowed" auditorium. He could "wall-off" a section of the room or put a glass window in front of the balcony to keep the smoke in, for example. I don't know for sure. What I'm saying is that it should be the business owner's right to decide if that's what he wants to do!

I think the law in New York should be rewritten. It should say that all businesses should DECIDE if they are going to have smoking or not and post signs to that effect. If somebody refuses to obey a "No Smoking" policy, it should be HIM who gets fined!

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 08-20-2003, 10:54 AM:

Claude, bring your cell phone to the theater. Make sure you have all of the local theater direct lines programmed in. When that or something else is wrong (patron or projection problem for example), just call them. This is the one time where using a cell phone in a theater is acceptable.

Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 1016) on 08-20-2003, 11:06 AM:

If you ever have to complain just ask the staff or manager to wait 5 or so minutes after you come back into the theater. There is no way to know that you complained, you may have just been going to the bathroom and they staffer or manager may just have been doing theater checks--better yet go buy some popcorn and then it would be obvious what you were doing! [Big Grin]

. Just never have them walk back in with you! [Smile]

Posted by Kevin Wale (Member # 1851) on 08-20-2003, 05:59 PM:

We definately check our auditoriums and have had a searchdown or two when someone was brave enough to try and smoke. It's impossible to find out who when they see you come in, but they didn't do it the rest of the night.

We went back in several times more than usual that night and had the projectionist ready to stop the film.

The worst yet however has been the stink bomb incident at Dumbass. Jeff told the owner she didn't want to play it, and then Core was delayed so we had to fill a screen. We had to hire a security gaurd(as I'm sure many of you did) because they did everything from the stink bomb to peeing all over everything in the bathroom.

The problem is, you check the auditorium ten times and they do something while you go to the bathroom or something. The people prone to do that must go to some funky school of vandelism and anoying patrons at large gatherings.

Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 08-20-2003, 08:14 PM:

Now how expensive would it be to install a night vision cam attached to a video recorder? These days not that much. In fact, you can set stuff like this to set off an alert to management that a spike in lighting (i.e. lighter, matches, cell phone, etc) has occurred and then they can "go to the tape" and get an instant replay, find the offender, and kick thier ever lovin' ass!

Dave

Posted by Kevin Wale (Member # 1851) on 08-21-2003, 12:28 AM:

quote:
"...find the offender, and kick thier ever lovin' ass!

...

...uuummmmm right on out the door."

Right? LOL

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-21-2003, 04:26 AM:

quote:
What is it that tells smokers to throw away their butts on the floor or sidewalk?

The fact that they're morons. Any smoker who does that is definitely a moron, otherwise they'd dispose of their butts properly. Anyone care to disagree?

Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 08-21-2003, 08:22 AM:

Joe, just so you know...when I was a smoker:

The world was my ashtray. [Wink]

Posted by Steven Privett (Member # 718) on 08-21-2003, 06:26 PM:

oh those gosh darn smokers! I can't believe they are so irresponsible as to smoke, and right out in the open where everyone can see them. Then they take that nasty butt and drop it right on the ground, right there where people have to look at it. They are just putting nails in their coffin and trying to take all the non-smokers, the poor clean lunged smokers right down with them.
Oh wait, I smoke. I have knocked 3 out while reading your whiney posts. I wouldn't smoke in a theatre, and I would stand up and make whoever was stop. I'm not so harsh as to smoke where it bothers people. Of course that mostly just includes children. Where it is legal, I smoke. Adults can move away if it bothers them.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-21-2003, 07:14 PM:

Smokers think all non-smokers are whiney (non-smokers also think all smokers are whiney). I think it is up to the individual if they want to smoke or not (though not necessarily where). But if ya smoke, you'll just have to deal with the rules, because guess what--- the world's a-changin'! If you knocked down 3 cigs reading this thread, you read slow or really suck 'em down quick. [Smile]

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 08-21-2003, 07:34 PM:

On the subject of smoking, I think both the smokers and the non-smokers are whiners.

>>> Phil

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-21-2003, 11:13 PM:

Smokers throwing their used butts on the ground has nothing to do with smoking....that's called LITTERING and it is against the law in even more places than smoking is.

We're always finding piles of butts on the curb from idiot smokers who empty their car ashtrays on the ground. What, they think that crap is biodegradable or something? [Roll Eyes]

Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 08-22-2003, 10:32 AM:

Yeah! That's a good one!

Let's see... You can smoke the cigs, put them out in the ash tray then dump them on the ground when it's full... OR... You can simply flick the cigs out the car window when it's done.

Technically the same result. How stupid is THAT! [Confused]

Posted by Thomas Procyk (Member # 1170) on 08-22-2003, 12:26 PM:

Whether it's someone smoking, putting their feet on the chairs, talking on their phone, or bringing their own food, it all boils down to idiots who think they're in their own house and can do whatever the hell they want because the $6.50 they paid makes them God.

Besides, it's a "public" place, so they have "the right to do what they want." [Roll Eyes]

=TMP=
P.S. "You can't kick ME out... I'm a CUSTOMER!!" [Smile]

Posted by William Leland III (Member # 1400) on 08-22-2003, 03:23 PM:

We had this asshat smoking in #13. I could smell the smoke threw the booth port glass. I notified management on the walkie, but the guy heard me I guess. He looked up at me and put his cigarette out.

What I don't understand, people hardly ever complain about someone smoking. They complain about everything else, sound to loud, out frame, crappy movie, bad popcorn etc... but rarely did I ever have a smoking complaint. Maybe 2 or 3 in the 6 years I've worked in theatre buss.

Joe, you are the only one on this thread calling smokers names. I smoke and I'm not calling you names. We are not whiners, you are the whiner. I know you don't like smokers and I respect your decision by not insulting you and calling you a moron. So respect mine decision to smoke.

"I don't know what to do with my hands, that's why I smoke" Dale Dribble "King of the Hill"

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 08-22-2003, 04:08 PM:

quote:
I could smell the smoke threw the booth port glass. I notified management on the walkie, but the guy heard me I guess. He looked up at me and put his cigarette out.

What do you use as port holes? Japanese paper windows?

Posted by William Leland III (Member # 1400) on 08-22-2003, 04:46 PM:

Micheal, [Big Grin]

the port windows are angled wrong and instead of keeping noise in the booth they reflect it outwards. I could have a converstions with you almost while the porjector was running, threw the port glass.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 08-22-2003, 05:17 PM:

I had the great pleasure of getting a construction worker in a lot of trouble over littering cigarette butts.

Backstory: The City of Lawton is doing a complete water and sewage line replacement and working in my neighborhood. The lot across the street from my house is empty, so the city is using that as a storage place for some equipment and meeting there in the morning before starting work.

One morning I was fixing to leave for work and one of those construction guys parked his truck on the curbside in front of my house. As I was walking to my truck, I noticed the asshole emptying out his ashtray on my curb.

Instead of confronting the guy directly to clean up his pile of cigarette shit, I took the case to his supervisor (an old and rather nice fellow). The supervisor chewed out the guy, made him clean up the trash and sent him home. [Big Grin]

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-22-2003, 05:19 PM:

Uhhh, William? If you read the posts you'll see that the guy who posted before me called our posts "whiney". I also said that smokers think non-smokers are whiners (which, as you prove, is true). Then Phil came on and said everybody is a whiner. So I am hardly the only one. Please re-read the thread before you make accusations.

And I am only calling those who litter their butts around as opposed to properly disposing of them a "moron". Not all smokers do that. But the ones who do definitely ARE morons (as are non-smokers who litter). And they deserve to be called names (at the least) if they don't feel like changing their littering ways. If this offends you, then YOU need to stop littering.

Posted by William Leland III (Member # 1400) on 08-22-2003, 06:39 PM:

Joe, how and I am a whiner? I just don't like people who call others stupid, dumb or a moron and that is all the reasoning they give. Back up your opinions and reasoning with words. If not you are stupid, i am guilty also. You calling me a moron is not the reason I wrote back, it was becasue of the one word name calling.

Yeah Phil, is right we are all whiners.

You are right, I didn't read the other post, I just wanted to play devils advocate.

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 08-22-2003, 06:42 PM:

Gosh William, chill out...have a smoke. [Big Grin]

I'll go back and put "smileys" in my post if that will make it clearer....Ummm... ya know, Ummmm humor... YIKES!

>>> Phil

Posted by Nathan Guerriero (Member # 1214) on 08-22-2003, 06:48 PM:

As a smoker, I personally wouldn't be too bothered by someone smoking in the theatre. Professionally, I do everything I can to keep it out of my theatre. (I do smoke in my office, which contravenes a number of city and state fire codes, and possibly some OSHA regulations, but my office is essentially a windowless concrete bunker so I really don't care.)

The damage cigarette smoke can cause to a auditorium is pretty nasty, too. There is a theatre in Chicago called the Brew and View which allows smoking through some regulatory loophole. The screen at that theatre is about the filthiest thing you could imagine. Close inspection reveals a visible layer of ash and dirt all over it. You can imagine what the on-screen image looks like.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-22-2003, 07:18 PM:

I really don't see the big deal William, and this will be the last time I respond to you about this petty argument we are having. But I did give reason. I said "Moron" in conjunction with littering. It doesn't need much more explanation. If you can't figure out why littering is bad, then we are all screwed. I think that you just don't like anyone attacking your habits, for whatever reason.

As for smoking, as I said in an earlier post, it is up to the individual. I don't and have never preached to a smoker about lung cancer or health damages or whatnot. That's not my problem. But I do say that I think it smells nasty and is pretty gross. That's my problem with it. If you are a smoker and don't smoke around me, then we will get along great! I had a friend from high school who was a smoker. He didn't smoke around me and we still hung out and had lots of fun. A few years later he told me he quit and I didn't even notice since he never smoked around me. We are still friends.

Anyway let's move on. [Smile]

Posted by Kevin Wale (Member # 1851) on 08-22-2003, 08:31 PM:

Interesting...

Ok, I reread Joe's post and he clearly(as clear as the nose on my face) did not call smokers morons. He clearly catagorized those who litter as morons. Not because they smoke, but because they litter.

I won't go into my opinions on smoking except that I have had varying degrees of asthma throughout my years and being around smoke is very painful to me. I have managed to get used to it since my Dad smokes but I also have lived in almost constant pain becuase of it.

With that, I hardly consider myself a whiner since I have sat silent through the argument thusfar and only jumped in because of the moron issue. I will garantee however that a smoker's "right" to smoke is much more painful to a non smoker than that non smoker's "right" to not have to have an asthma attack triggered(yes even outside) is to the smoker. I'd put the long going discomfort of an asthma attack up to withdrawl symptoms any day of the week and then we can talk about whining.

Posted by Richard C. Wolfe (Member # 431) on 08-22-2003, 11:43 PM:

quote:
Besides, it's a "public" place, so they have "the right to do what they want."

Some people do think that don't they.

A theatre is NOT a public place. It is a private business open to the public who pay to gain admission and have access to a consumable product.

Posted by Paul Cassidy (Member # 951) on 08-23-2003, 04:37 AM:

It was always easy to see when someone was smoking in the cinema as the projector beam would become visible , I caught one idiot smoking in front of the port glass , when I came out to investigate he attempted to hide by putting it under his leg , well that didn't last too long before it burnt his leg [uhoh]

Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 08-23-2003, 07:33 AM:

OK. I've been quiet about this subject.

I dont smoke. My dad has smoked for 65 years. Smoking doesent bother me.

BUT

It really pisses me off when people stop at a traffic light, and take the opportunity to dump their friggin ash trays in the street. Take your damn butts to a trash can. [Mad]

Ever notice how much energy some smokers put into flicking the butt? Those things can almost fly!

At a traffic light one night, someone flicked a butt that happened to land in my car. I didn;t know it until the carpet started burning in the back seat floor. Damn people!

As for smoking in a theatre: GET A LIFE PEOPLE! IT IS ILLEGAL!!! Enough said. [thumbsup]

Posted by Peter Hall (Member # 695) on 08-23-2003, 07:34 AM:

In the UK it is up to the local authority to decide if smoking is allowed. 15 years ago a lot of provincial houses still allowed smoking - typically on one side of the theatre, or half the stalls (doesn't smoke rise ??). In a lot of older sites here you can still see where the ashtrays were on the seats.. Multiplexes have never allowed smoking, and as far as I know only the Coronet (at least in London) still allows smoking. You could always tell a smoking house by the colour of the screen !

In "liberal" Brixton, the Academy (formerly the Astoria, circa 1935 atnospheric cinema now a music venue) hired 35mm kit and ran a few "cinema - fumee'" nights, allowing smoking and screening midnight to dawn shows of Cheech and Chong films, Woodstock etc. Typical audiences 600+ @ £10 a pop ($16).. The nights were sponsored by Rizzla (manufacture of "cigarette" papers) and the tickets were even printed on a packet of Rizzlas. Unexpectedly I think it was a copyright issue that closed them down rather than the local constabulary..

Posted by Josh Jones (Member # 447) on 08-24-2003, 05:34 PM:

May I also express my discust for those that throw flaming butts out of car windows. THAT is moronic, as during the drier part of the season up here can spark fires.

Josh

Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 08-25-2003, 12:23 AM:

I agree Josh. It's not only stupid but extremely dangerous especially in restricted fire areas.

I live on a hillside and there is always the threat of a wildfire especially in the latter part of the summer when all is very dry.

The LAFD will fine you big time if you don't clear excess growth away from your house. If you don't do it, they will do it and charge your butt up the kazoo.

Also, you cannot get homeowners insurance if there is brush within 300ft of your house...yours or the neighbors!

Bruce: I also think that it is disgusting that those jerks dump their ashtrays on the street or in a parking lot. Let them take that crap home with them and dispose of it in THEIR trash!

The CHP takes a dim view of those dumbass motorists that throw butts out the window. The CHP caught a friend of mine, a VP of a well-known company absent-mindedly throwing a butt out the car window. He was sentenced to 4 months of weekend duty picking up roadside trash. I have pics of this "big-shot" in his jail-bird orange "outfit". Hahhahaha Too Funny! . [beer]

(NO IT WASN'T ME!)

>>> Phil

Posted by Dave Bird (Member # 490) on 08-25-2003, 10:55 AM:

I can't remember which one, but there is at least one drive-in that bans smoking OUTSIDE THE CAR. Not really surprising, most outdoor sports stadiums ban it now, and with all the kids sitting outside at the drive-in, I can see where a prevailing wind combined with a chain smoker could make for an unpleasant evening.....