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Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 02-23-2006, 04:07 AM:
 
I stumbled upon this today, and I've been estatic ever since. This place was an absolute palace. It reopened in the 90s under a not so great renovation, and eventually became a dance club. I had no idea it was up for sale, but it'd be a great place to show movies again. If only I had a few things, namely the money to invest, I'd grab this up. I need to get some better pictures too because the picture in this link does not do the front of that building justice. Dad said he saw Ben Hur here...wonder if it was in 70mm? Last I heard, it seated close to 2000 folks. Maybe I'm dreaming when I say some of us on here should nab this up and turn it into a movie palace once again. Think of all the fun we could have. [Big Grin]

UPDATE: Found more pics here.

AJG
 
Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 02-23-2006, 07:47 AM:
 
$395,000! A very ordinary house would cost you more than that in London. Does it need a lot of work doing on it, or something? If not, it sounds like a bargain, if you can find a use for it that will make money.
 
Posted by Floyd Justin Newton (Member # 1316) on 02-23-2006, 07:48 AM:
 
Arron-- What a line-up of fantastic photos! It appears the
theatre building has been kept up pretty well on the exterior,
but, what about the interior? It would be a pleasure to go
into a theatre where there isn't a lineup of cubes to see a
picture. There's gotta be a way you can get it!
 
Posted by Mike Spaeth (Member # 524) on 02-23-2006, 08:19 AM:
 
$395,000 sounds a bit steep ... We bought a 14 for not too much more than that.
 
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 02-23-2006, 09:36 AM:
 
But does your 14-plex look like the State?

I, too, would be curious about the condition of the interior (if it has been a nightclub, the seats have probably been removed and the floor may have been leveled).

What is the neighborhood like?
 
Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 02-23-2006, 11:34 AM:
 
The theatre is right in the heart of downtown, which is undergoing a major revitilization. Many restaraunts, clubs, and bars are starting to pop up in the area, as well as the ever popular Morris Performing Arts Center. To me, an investment in changing the state into some sort of venue for film and perhaps other types of entertainment could be a very good prospect.

As far as the interior, I'm not really sure. Last I heard, the balcony remained, but the lower level seats were taken out. I emailed the realator about more information, which I'll post once I get it.

Truthfully though, I'd hate to see this historical landmark go to waste as just a night club. I'm so glad it is on the historical register, as I believe that means it cannot be destroyed.

AJG
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 02-24-2006, 03:17 AM:
 
quote: Aaron Garman
I'm so glad it is on the historical register, as I believe that means it cannot be destroyed.
Being on the National Register of Historic Buildings just means that federal money in the form of grants, etc. cannot be used to raze the building or do construction which alters it from its historic appearance. It generally applies to just the facade. Buildings on the NRHB are often razed by private developers, or massively changed on the inside by owners/operators.

I rememeber reading of a case where a city wanted to use federal grants to raze a theatre placed on the NRHB, & applied to the federal government to have it removed from the NRHB. Nothing's bulletproof.

Typically, more safety is had from having a building landmarked. Again, restrictions apply mostly to the facade, & only theaters that specifically have had the interior landmarked (in cities that protect landmarked buildings) have protected the interior from being gutted & remodeled, etc.

Mike Spaeth will be the first to tell you the odds on a workable business model for a 2,000 seat single screen. Typically houses of that size become multi-use, showing films, premieres, concerts, etc. A lot about survivability in cities & neighborhoods where there is already another PAC/historic theatre/etc. is focused on positioning the the theatre either via image by way of what kind of shows it runs or by rental cost: Make it the home base of the local symphony, or if another theatre is already the symphony's home, the theatre where rock concerts go; if another theatre with better stage facilities is already the focus for bus & truck stage shows, the theatre will likely have to look for another niche, etc.

Probably that other PAC will be what it would be neccessary to define around.

Edit:
Damn, that mass of modern pseudo-traditional buildings erected in South Bend creates an oppressive, ugly anonymous mall/prison environment.

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Posted by Matt Fields (Member # 3211) on 02-24-2006, 12:01 PM:
 
Mike-

Did you guys buy the real estate (land and building) for the 14 screen or the business and equipment? If you bought the real estate for that little, that would have to be the deal of the century.
 
Posted by Mike Spaeth (Member # 524) on 02-24-2006, 02:45 PM:
 
The odds are probably slim to none. Not in a town with 30 first-run movie screens, that is. It would take a creative soul to make it work.

7.6 acres plus building plus equipment
 
Posted by Martin Brooks (Member # 1269) on 02-24-2006, 11:19 PM:
 
Seems like a great deal. One of the things I'd check out is how the retail stores in the theater building are doing. If they're surviving even without an open theater, then the theater itself can probably do great. Also, find out how much rent they're paying and whether there's other rentable space in the building.

I'd also check to see whether a purchase means you're purchasing any debt or taxes due and what the taxes are. And how much it costs to heat and cool the place. If the place doesn't have working AC, it could probably cost $100K or more to get new units on the roof.

I suspect that at minimum, the interior is going to need a technical renovation + seats. New seats at even $100 each can cost $200K if you're going to outfit the entire theater.

I agree with those who think it should become a special event venue, whether that's live performances or special film presentations.

OR...pay the $400K and just sit on the place. Eventually some developer will come along and want to turn the property into either an office building, retail or condo and will pay a lot for the site.

If I had the time, I'd come out and check it out myself.
 
Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 02-27-2006, 02:00 AM:
 
Well, I got a message from the realator, and apparently another night club owner with significant financial resources has jumped on the place and is near closing on it. I did, however, learn that the floor has in fact been leveled, but most of the building is still in good repair. He estimated it may cost at least $250,000 to turn it into a theatre again, but it seems as if it's going to be another night club. I was still hoping to get pictures of the interior, but that may have to be on hold for awhile.

I wonder why theatre chains don't build places like this anymore. I mean, I understand the multiplex idea, but say design a multiplex in this fashion. Sure, it'd be a fortune, but it's so beautiful looking. I mean I'd love to go to the movies more if I got to walk into a building that looked so darn amazing.

As for the way South Bend looks, yeah it is kind of a downer. There are many parts of the city with great old buildings, but so many in disrepair. It pains me to see some of the older homes so run down because it is wild to imagine them looking their finest. Boy could this town use another company like Studebaker or Bendix to fill the void of the past.

AJG
 
Posted by Bill Enos (Member # 440) on 02-27-2006, 06:37 AM:
 
Being on the register of historic place gives no protection. Some very small tax breaks are available as a result though. When the Byrd received that designation 25 years ago the only requirement for keeping the plaque was that the front wall of the building--the facade had to remain intact, what you did behind it didn't matter, don't know whether that has changed. Landmark status brings protection but it requires something historic, just having stood for a period of time is not a qualifier. Not easy for most theatres but an example would be
Ford's Theatre in Washington D.C.

The plaque you pay for yourself, the ones on the front of the Byrd came from the Dept. of the Interior suggested supplier are of substandard quality and have not held up well.
 
Posted by Scott Jentsch (Member # 1681) on 02-27-2006, 12:56 PM:
 
quote: Aaron Garman
I wonder why theatre chains don't build places like this anymore. I mean, I understand the multiplex idea, but say design a multiplex in this fashion. Sure, it'd be a fortune, but it's so beautiful looking. I mean I'd love to go to the movies more if I got to walk into a building that looked so darn amazing.
Would it really cost a fortune to build a facade that was similar in theme to something like this?

I know that most companies view concrete block as God's gift, but how much more can it possibly cost to fabricate some columns from concrete and dress up the front with some brickwork? There isn't anything in the photos that looks all that complex to me, but what do I know?

I think the bigger issue at hand is the complete lack of fortitude on the part of theaters to create something that looks like it's in the entertainment business. Most new theater buildings (and probably most built in the last 30 years) look like they could be converted into WalMarts or Best Buys with just a sign change out front.

It's the lack of architectural desire that makes those photos of downtown South Bend so bland and cold.

There's gotta be a way to create something interesting without blowing the budget, but it would appear that nice examples like this are destined to be converted and demolished into oblivion.
 
Posted by Mike Spaeth (Member # 524) on 02-27-2006, 01:49 PM:
 
Muvico does this ... with quite a price-tag.
 
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 03-02-2006, 11:03 AM:
 
Man, if I only had the money. Thing is, although South Bend has, for the last decade been trying to revitalize the downtown area, it still is has a hard time attracting people to the downtown area in the evenings. I was there just in 2003 and past 8pm it was like a ghost town.

The group that opened it in the late 90s and tried to make it work as a single screen never tapped the university crowd. I talked to the manager at the time and he said they thought it would work running first run. Wrong. Single screens simply can't compete with multiplexes with first run fare. Single screens have to find a niche demographic and cater to it. With a university at its door-step, independent, art, foreign and selected first run menu would have worked very well. Thing is, with Notre Dame in such close proximity, some cooperation with the university could have been put into place where the theatre could coordinate with the film department and run films that were part of the circulicum, affording students as well as faculty to be able to see classic films the way they were intended. The operators never looked to the university for that kind of interplay, a resource that might have actually made it viable. Without wooing the college crowd -- which would open up a population bigger than most small towns -- it was doomed. Hence the dance club. The fact that the dance club couldn't make it either, bespeaks of the problems downtown South Bend has. And dance clubs don't have nearly the same issues as do theatres in terms of making a go of it; they don't have to compete with "home dance clubs" like theatres have to do with home theatres.

Unfortunately now that ND has built a beautiful, huge performing arts center replete with a theatre designated specifically for film exhibition, not only wouldn't anyone running the State get much cooperation from ND, but they would probably be seen as competition. ND has the power to crush competition like a bug. I could even see the university buying the property just so they could sell it to make sure that the buyer would NOT put in a theatre or any other business that they would consider competitive with any of their activities.

The university tends to be very isolationist with regard to South Bend. It has always been happy to use the city for the cheap labor it can supply, but other than that, the university didn't have much interaction with the town. My observation was that although they had a symbiotic relationship with each other of necessity -- employer and employee -- they didn't much like each other.

Naw, as cheap as that price is, and even if one had the resources to refurbish it back to it's glory -- and it was a beauty....when I was a student, I saw lots of films in the State, and yes, it was a beautiful house as was the case with even the modest neighborhood theatres during the "golden age" of the single screen movie palace -- I don't think one could make it work in South Bend. I plan on visiting a professor friend of mine some time in April. I will check out what Main Street looks like at 8pm at night on a weekday. If it is as desolated as it was the last time I was in town, then running the State successfully as single screen will take a lot more than the price of the building and the restoration.
 
Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 03-02-2006, 11:45 AM:
 
You'll be in the area Frank? Look me up if you're not busy. So you saw films there? Did they have 70mm?

AJG
 
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 03-06-2006, 01:09 AM:
 
Aaron, I sure will. As for 70mm, no, not to my knowledge. I don't recall them every advertising 70mm, but then again, I am only going by my memory or lack of it.
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-19-2006, 08:34 AM:
 
About 15 years ago I serviced a number of locations in South Bend but not the State Theatre. I always dreaded going there as it was a very, very dreary and dead town. One could probably get it alot cheaper than the asking price and you would also get ALOT of concessions from the City to get it open again. Cities almost always seem to cooperate big time in getting shuttered theatres going again. I also serviced theatres in Hobart, LaPort, Valparasio, Plymouth, Culver, Bass Lake, and Winemac.

Mark
 
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 03-19-2006, 09:30 AM:
 
Most municipalities and Chambers of Commerce know that when a theatre closes on a commercial street, all the other business suffer. Opposite for when one is opened....people with commerce savvy know that theatres are good for local business.

As far as South Bend being a dreary town, it was. But I must say, the town has tried many things to turn a desolate downtown into a people-friendly place. They rerouted traffic to create a walking mall and the built a civic center. The town LOOKS has a prosperous LOOK, but this nice looking town still goes to bed at 8 o'clock every night. I don't know if it is cultural, if people who come from agricultural roots tend to be more "home body" folks than those in larger, more urban cities. Whatever they are doing, it hasn't quite worked. Now that the university has opened its monster performing arts complex, that will further hurt South Bend's civic center. But boy, would I love to have the disposable cash to buy that theatre and give it a go.
 
Posted by Jerry Corgnati (Member # 3703) on 03-27-2006, 11:49 PM:
 
I serviced the State Theater for a number of years with the other theaters in Elkhart, and Goshen including the drive in's.
I also installed the Plitt Town & Country which is now gone. There was no 70mm in those theaters. Infact there were very few 70's in Chicago, just a handfull in the downtown area. I enjoyed re-visiting the South Bend area last year working on the new Notre Dame booth. Regards all. Jerry
 
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 04-18-2006, 02:36 AM:
 
Jerry, do you know if they keep the booth in Washington Hall? As bad a place as that was for film presentation (wrong size proscenium space for common height). It still had some old world flavor. I took it and the booth in Moreau Hall out of mothballs to run their Summer Session Cinema series a number of years ago. The Moreau Hall booth was the one that I spoke about in another thread which jutted out into the theatre with all walls except the rear wall made of glass, floor-to-ceiling.

Did they put dual machines in the cinema theatre in the new complex or a platter? If you wouldn't mind, could you give us your thoughts on the cinema room.
 
Posted by Jerry Corgnati (Member # 3703) on 04-18-2006, 11:53 AM:
 
The new booth at the performing arts center is a changeover booth. It also has a Christie digital projector. I am not familiar with the other locations you mention Frank. I have quite a few photos of the new booth and auditorium. Phil Donahue was there the first nite of operation.
 
Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 08-04-2006, 05:40 PM:
 
An update folks:

Rebirth at the State

quote:
It started as a movie palace, and most recently housed a bar and nightclub.

This time, the rebirth of the State Theatre in downtown South Bend will feature somewhat of a born-again bent, as Lester Sumrall takes over.

The name Lester Sumrall is well known in the community: the man who built a worldwide television ministry, based in South Bend.

Now, a grandson with the same name, and perhaps the same pioneering spirit, is starting a unique project of his own at the State.

Spiritually inclined
The last time the State Theatre building was open for business, they served spirits there.

However, that won't happen under the direction of a man whose name is so closely tied to spirituality.

Plans call for turning the State into a cultural events center with a spiritual focus...
Plans call for turning the State into a cultural events center with a spiritual focus...

“No, this isn't going to be a church. Way of Life is a spiritual or religious organization, but we're really interested in communicating God’s love through the arts,” says Lester Sumrall, grandson of the original Sumrall and Way of Life president.

Plans call for turning the State into a cultural events center with a spiritual focus; a place where concerts, conferences and films will help inspire members of another generation to find their purpose.
...a place where concerts, conferences and films will help inspire members of another generation to find their purpose...
...a place where concerts, conferences and films will help inspire members of another generation to find their purpose...

“Our community has gone through a lot with shootings and violence,” says Sumrall. “A lot of that has to do with teenagers and young adults not having anyplace to go that has a positive influence, not a place where they're going to drink, get stirred up for violence. [We] just want this place to be a positive hub of influence.”

And while the work is underway, it's still very much a work in progress. The opening date depends on the success of fundraising efforts.
...while the work is underway, it's still very much a work in progress
...while the work is underway, it's still very much a work in progress at this point

"We need about $500,000 dollars to renovate this place, but (we have) got different corporate sponsors, people coming in want to help in the community," says Sumrall. “...We're going to need a lot of help doing it, but I know that God’s been faithful to provide from before.”

And, not only is Sumrall confident of getting the job done, he's confident his grandfather would approve of the work he is doing. "I think he'd be happy. I think he was somebody who was a person of vision, somebody who was a pioneer. That's kind of what we're doing here."

Renovations still needed
The group is still trying to raise the $500,000 needed to complete renovations.

However, they do hope the State will reopen in November.

And again here.

quote:
August 04. 2006 6:59AM
State theatre's new mission: the salvation of young souls
Sumrall renovates building for new life

CHRISTINA HILDRETH
Tribune Staff Writer

SOUTH BEND -- In her 86 years, the State Theatre has opened and closed six times, endured four renovations and operated under at least a half-dozen different owners.

She has hosted movies, vaudeville acts, concerts, and a Super Bowl party. The old marquee weathered the Great Depression, movie-goers' flight to suburbia and the 2005 demolition of her Mishawaka sister, the Tivoli.

At times, the State stirred talk of impropriety: she closed for a day in 1929 after the mayor of South Bend declared her burlesque shows to be too "vulgar and disgusting" for public consumption. The theater's showing of "The Exorcist" in 1974 prompted an outcry from Catholics. Reports of bar fights plagued the theater's nightclub shortly after the turn of the millennium.

But old age and a new owner are changing the theater's morals. She is being converted, shedding her liquor license, secular concerts and saucy attitude.

No longer will the theater's entertainment be solely for pleasure and profit. Now the building carries a mission: the salvation of young souls.

"It's time for South Bend to have a place that is a positive influence for teenagers," said Lester L. Sumrall, the new owner of 214 1/2 S. Michigan St.

Sumrall, the namesake and eldest grandson of the man who founded LeSEA Broadcasting in 1957, leads a South Bend-based nonprofit organization called Way of Life.

On July 21, the nine-year-old Christian group bought the State Theatre for $333,000 from East Lansing, Mich.-based First National Bank of America, which acquired the property through foreclosure last August.

By late fall, Sumrall plans to open the theater as a "cultural events center with a spiritual focus."

What does that mean?

"We'll have concerts, conferences, worship gatherings, art exhibits, comedians," he said.

Sumrall expects to host events most nights of the week, targeting an audience of 12- to 30-year-olds. At least one event every week will be for the Latino community, he said.

He has talked to three different coffee companies, including Starbucks, about opening a cafe in the two vacant storefronts adjacent to the theater.

He plans to reinstall much of the building's seating, which was removed when it became a nightclub. A company in New York has donated $276,000 worth of theater chairs. The city has only cleared Sumrall to seat 1,600 right now, but eventually he wants to boost that number to almost 2,000.There is still much work to be done. For the past week, Sumrall, three employees and a team of volunteers have been tearing out the bars and beer-stained carpets.

Previous owners had left the hallways, dance floor and balconies cluttered with every form of trash in their hasty departure. Sumrall and his workers have found dead fern plants, old business documents, dozens of empty cash drawers, broken beer bottles, old rolls of film and antique projectors.

Only last week did they find the switch to light the historic marquee, hidden in a cobwebbed closet of a fire escape near the third-floor catwalk.

"The place didn't come with a manual," Sumrall said as he sorted through reels of old filmstrip in the theater's projector room. "We're still investigating."

But will it work?

Success at the State has not been easy in the past. For 19 of the past 30 years, the theater doors have been locked as various mixes of owners struggled to find a profitable use for the venue. Some neighboring business owners are skeptical of Sumrall's project, worrying that a downtown mixture of teenagers, college bars and young adults might cause problems with underage drinking or sexual predators.

Ken Peczkowski, owner of Griffon Bookstore at 121 W. Colfax Ave., said he is concerned that mixing teens of different economic and social backgrounds in a downtown venue could cause fights and vandalism.

Others think Sumrall's project is exactly what downtown needs.

"Listen, anytime you can get young people coming downtown, it's going to be good," said David Hab, general manager at Dainty Maid Bake Shop, 231 S. Michigan St. "Perhaps they'll buy doughnuts and pastries from us. Maybe we'll even stay open on Sundays."

Sumrall said he understands concerns like Peczkowski's, but doesn't think those problems will materialize. There will probably be a security staff for large events, he said, and the theater will not have a "club" atmosphere.

"I don't feel it will be any more dangerous than any other place where a lot of people are," he said. Plus, he added, events targeting younger teens will be smaller in size and well supervised.

City officials are optimistic about Sumrall's plans for the State.

"It's better than vacant land sitting in disrepair," said Jennifer Laurent, a city economic development planner. "We're glad to see somebody come in and pick it up and do the right thing with it."

At first, city officials were worried that Sumrall might convert the building into a church, giving his organization legal rights to restrict the distribution of liquor licenses to businesses within 200 feet of the State.

But the ordained minister says not to worry.

"We're not going to take down the State sign and put up a steeple," Sumrall said.

At a Redevelopment Commission meeting on July 19, Sumrall and his attorney, Jim Masters, testified that the building would not be a church and therefore would have no legal rights to restrict neighbors' liquor sales.

As far as finances, Sumrall has a long way to go on fundraising. Two donors gave a combined $66,000, but Sumrall estimates Way of Life will need at least $500,000 to complete much-needed renovations.

He has lots of ideas for fund-raisers, including a sale of old theater memorabilia he plans to hold on Sept. 7. He also wants to publish a book with old photos and stories of various South Bend residents' memories of the State, the sales of which will go toward the renovation fund.

But he faces other challenges, too.

Previous owners have blamed business difficulties on the scarcity of downtown parking and the growth of suburban commercial areas such as Grape Road. Other venues, including the Morris Performing Arts Center, also have a strong hold on live downtown performances. Then there's the rumor that the State is haunted by the lavender dress-clad spirit of a 1920s flapper.

Even so, Sumrall is unshaken.

"The blessing of God supersedes all that," he said. "I have no doubt that we'll succeed at what we're doing."

As for the ghost: "I think we evicted her last week," he said with a smile.

The purchase is a huge step for his ministry, Way of Life. Up until now, he said, the group was little more than "a box of legal papers and me."

If he has one thing going for him, it's his connections. He has lots of relatives at LeSEA and it's spinoff, Provident Ministries.

He has friends at various Christian music companies, and is confident he'll be able to book popular speakers or well-known religious bands such as Delirious.

Sumrall can't wait to finish renovations on the theater. He shows it off like a new car, but speaks of it as Jesus would a leper. When asked what about the project excited him the most, the 33-year-old spoke not of lights or loud music, but vision.

"It's taking something old and expressing a new purpose through it," he said. "Seeing something that was dead or cast aside by people and seeing it could be used for something positive and new."

Staff writer Christina Hildreth:
childreth@sbtinfo.com
(574) 235-6271

It sounds like an interesting project. I'm going to see if I can volunteer some time, especially if projecting film is involved in some capacity.

AJG
 
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 08-05-2006, 02:29 AM:
 
Hey Aaron, I was in your neighborhood for only 5 days and practically every hour committed and I had to rush back to Brooklyn for an outdoor screening of DRACULA -- over 8000 people showed up; alas, we had to shut it down into only half of Reel 2 due to gale force winds and torental rain which the audience sat thru with their rain parkers and umbrellas, but when the lightening strikes started hitting as close as a block away, the jig was up. It came on so fast, I thought I was still in the Midwest plains. I could have stayed in South Bend for another week.

I did drive passed the State, but only that. Boy is this new owner going to need a lot of help from the Almighty -- I mean....
quote:
but we're really interested in communicating God’s love through the arts,” says Lester Sumrall, grandson of the original Sumrall and Way of Life president.

Plans call for turning the State into a cultural events center with a spiritual focus; a place where concerts, conferences and films will help inspire members of another generation to find their purpose.

What does he think the mission of Notre Dame's mammoth DeBartolo Performing Arts Center is, if not exactly that? I am afraid he's got really stiff competition if not for patron dollars, but also for a distinct and separate mission goal. He wants to battle a Goliath at their game.

Notre Dame's arts center is already masterfully sucking audiences from the town to their theatre complex and providing alternative, unique entertainment. And if that weren't enough, the Morris Civic Center is practically within walking distance of the theatre. So within the theatre's geographical sphere, there are already two specialty venues that can and are doing the things that William has rightfully outlined a venue must do in order to survive in the world of godzillaplexs and mega-malls.
quote: William Hooper
Typically houses of that size become multi-use, showing films, premieres, concerts, etc. A lot about survivability in cities & neighborhoods where there is already another PAC/historic theatre/etc. is focused on positioning the the theatre either via image by way of what kind of shows it runs or by rental cost: Make it the home base of the local symphony, or if another theatre is already the symphony's home, the theatre where rock concerts go; if another theatre with better stage facilities is already the focus for bus & truck stage shows, the theatre will likely have to look for another niche, etc
The multifunction thing is really the key to survival for any of the old palaces that do make a go of it, and usually it works very well; but you've got to be the first kid on the block and it really helps if you are the only kid.

He would be coming in as number THREE with the Morris Civic on one side of him, already established in the community and bringing in the kind of shows they obviously have learned work for them -- they were doing the Bus & Truck of CATS [puke] the week I was there).

On the other side of the street is Notre Dame which can offer just about anything they have a mind to....orchestras, dance, theatre and of course and entire cinema in the complex exclusively for film and video.

And between these to established venues comes Sumrall, hearlding the spiritual aspect of his venue, in effect, looking for a nitche that Notre Dame pretty much holds the copyright to. So for the spirituality hook to work, he will have to position himself differently than ND which presents itself as a mix of spiritual and intellectual. For him to separate himself from that perspective, he may have to move closer to the evangelical movement from which ND does distance itself. But evangelical may not be attractive to many younger people, especially if they know that at that venue they will not be able to see the more popular films, assuming he will not play R rated. He has created a real cunundrum. No R rated in and of itself would be a major impediment to attracting the demographic he is looking for -- younger audiences -- and demographics is the name of the game.

In South Bend, even the venues that at first blush look like they should thrive because they are unique, like the Football Hall of Fame and the Studebaker Museum are having a very hard time of it. I hope this guy can make his dream come to pass, but deep down I think, short of a miracle, it won't be too long before he puts the place up for sale again.
 
Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 05-27-2009, 03:00 PM:
 

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Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 05-27-2009, 03:00 PM:
 
Looks like the dream didn't live long. The place is up for sale again.

State Theatre

This worries me because it seems as if nothing can be stable in there, and I'd hate to see it come down.

Anyone wanna buy it? [Big Grin]

AJG
 
Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 01-31-2011, 11:51 PM:
 

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Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 01-31-2011, 11:51 PM:
 
Up for auction AGAIN!

And I still don't have the money to get it.

AJG
 
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 02-01-2011, 02:12 AM:
 
Sad -- three tenants since it first went on the block and they still couldn't make it work. That's gotta tell ya something. And the glory of the original probably has been badly compromised by the last owner who, from what my Professor friend told me, turned it into some kind of a pretty racaus club, removing seats and probably leveling the floor. Restoration would be pretty costly to get it looking like a 1920s movie palace.

The only way a single screen could work would be to offer specialized programming -- stuff you can't get at the multiplexes. You can't compete with the plexs at their game --you have to specialize and offer what they don't. Having a university population in your backyard USUALLY would be a huge plus for that kind of esoteric film fare. BUT, ND is doing exactly the same thing with their on-campus, spanking new state of the art Cinema; the chances of anyone competing with NDU and winning or even holding their own are slim to slimmer.

As I said, if I have disposable funds and were independently wealthy, I'd run it whether it made money or not.
 
Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 02-01-2011, 09:45 AM:
 
The most previous owner was actually a religious group, and they did put some money into the building. I believe they did restore the sloped floor that the club wiped out. They tried using it as a faith based cultural events center, which just did not work. I think he probably expected to gain more donations in order to keep it running, as there was no way to really make money with his activities there.

I'm at Notre Dame now, in the DeBartolo Performing Arts Center, and you're right, it would be hard to have another art house in the same town: there just isn't enough demand, even though we do modest business here. I think there is still room for a theatre downtown though, but offering something like a movie grill or even another discount house (we only have one 6 screen in the area) could turn a modest profit. The biggest problem, like you mention, is the restoration of the facility.

I truly think that if one could restore it, and run an eclectic mix of programming, people would definitely visit. Adding in a restaurant would be very unique for this area and probably do very well.

AJG
 
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 02-04-2011, 01:34 AM:
 
Aaron, last time I was at the center I was only able to walk thru the lobby (which I saw some potential problems in that single space design (like, how to handle crowd control when you have more than one theatre in operation and you've got people comingling in the one space?). I wasn't able to go where I REALLY wanted to go -- into the booth of the cinema theatre.

Can you tell us how they have outfitted the projection booth? Knowing how ND has a seemingly unending flow of money from heaven (except for their workers) which evidently the lord prints for them on an as-needed basis, I am sure they have state-of-the-art in there, yes? Any chance they put in 70mm?
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 04-06-2011, 05:30 PM:
 
I am pretty sure this theater was for sale back in the 80's when I was servicing theaters in South Bend, Valpo., Bass Lake, etc. I remember other theater owners talking about it.
 
Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 04-07-2011, 12:46 AM:
 
It's changed hands at least a few times in my life...never seeing tons of success. Sad too because when I was nearly a teenager, they started doing first run here like Jurassic Park, Gump, Star Wars SE. It was a joy to see those films there on the massive screen.

AJG
 
Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 01-13-2012, 12:46 PM:
 
Here's the latest official news. Let's hope the buyer really does renovate the place. Downtown could definitely use a nice attraction.

State Theatre in South Bend Sold to Local Company

quote:
HEIDI PRESCOTT
South Bend Tribune
12:22 p.m. EST, January 13, 2012

SOUTH BEND — The State Theatre in downtown South Bend has been sold to a local investment and man-agement company that plans to rehabilitate the building and reopen it to the public.

Banko Capital completed the purchase of the building out of foreclosure on Dec. 22. The purchase price was not disclosed.

Precisely what becomes of the historic theatre and when it might reopen, has not yet been determined, Tricia Greaney, property manager with South Bend-based Banko Capital, said.

“We need to figure out what the highest and best use of the theatre will be, and we are open to everything,” Greaney said Friday. “All we know is we want to contrib-ute to the community and downtown. Everyone has memories of the State Thea-tre, and we’ll be investing in its renovation.”

The State Theatre opened in 1921 as the Blackstone Theatre Vaudeville House, and contains bullet holes from a 1934 shootout be-tween police and John Dil-linger, whose gang robbed their last bank in that block.

Banko Capital also owns such properties as the York-towne building in downtown Mishawaka, the Viridean of-fice building in South Bend, and it has ownership in the North Douglas Condomini-ums in Mishawaka.

Not only are South Bend city officials pleased the State Theatre has a new owner, but they also are looking forward to assisting Banko Capital as it moves forward with planning the future use and renovating the theatre.

“They have expressed that they do not plan to rehabili-tate the building in a vac-uum,” Tamara Nicholl-Smith, director of downtown business recruitment for South Bend, said.

She said the new owners have “expressed to us their enthusiasm about the build-ing, not only due to its his-toric significance and aes-thetic beauty, but also because of the potential im-portance the building can once again play in the down-town community.”

Read more about the State Theatre sale in Saturday’s South Bend Tribune.

Staff writer Heidi Prescott:
hprescott@sbtinfo.com
574-235-6070

The reason I heard about this today was that I was downtown picking up Thai Food (which is on the exact spot where the Dillinger robbed bank was), and the marquee was on. Despite having many bulbs out, it was great to see her lit up again.

AJG
 
Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 03-30-2012, 06:16 PM:
 
A BIG update!

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The new owner of the old State Theatre in South Bend plans to bring the building back to life in 2013.

While the State Theatre is expected to house some type of commercial enterprise, exactly ‘what type’ is still not clear.

“It was a church for a while, it was a night club for a while, but initially when it launched, it was a state of the art silent film (theater) with an orchestra pit, and organ,” said Tamara Nichol-Smith with DTSB.

While South Bend based Banko Capital bought the building in January the company and DTSB are turning to the community at large to find a new use by staging a contest that will start April 1st.

“And in the first round anyone will be able to submit their idea for what they think the State Theatre should be, then we’ll take the top ideas and these people will be allowed to go into round two where they’ll be able to flesh their concept out,” said Nichol-Smith.

Contestants who make it to the second road will be coached by a business mentor from the North Central Indiana Small Business Development Center.

The final round involves “a presentation in front of a live panel of experts, and an audience here at the State Theatre in June,” said Nichol-Smith.

If it sounds like a TV reality show, Nichol-Smith says the contest is loosely based on the show “Shark Tank.”

The contest is open to anyone from amateurs to development professionals: from groups to individuals.

“That’s what we do at DTSB, we try things that other people haven’t tried before because what’s been done in the past hasn’t worked,” said Nichol-Smith.

One tenant in the State Theatre building is willing to play along. Ehninger Florist is moving from one State storefront to another so renovation work on the building can begin.

“From what we understand they're going to renovate, I believe they need some extra space for handicap accessible bathrooms,” said Shari Sandberg with Ehninger Florist.

Referring to the contest, Sandberg said, “I really haven’t seen anything like it, but I’m excited, it sounds like a really interesting contest to get the community involved, community involvement is always great.”

The individual or group that comes up with the best plan for the future of the building will win $1,000 and perhaps see their plan carried out.

“The thing is we have no idea, what the idea is going to be,” said Nichol-Smith. “The owner of the building has every intention of bringing this building back to life by 2013. Sometime in 2013, the earlier the better, and so it’s just going to depend on how much capital the winning idea needs.”

While much of the building houses the old theater there are also second floor offices and first floor storefronts, so any proposal should take that into account.

Since many people probably haven’t been in the building for years, an open house with public tours has been scheduled for April 10th. The tours will start at 12:15 p.m., 3:15 p.m., and 5:15 p.m.

More information on the contest itself will soon be posted on a special website.
News Center 16 will publish the address of that website when the site is ready to host traffic.
In the meantime, the first step of the contest calls for writing a 300 word-or-less summary of a business idea, along with a 100 word-or- less personal biography.
“This is a little different, but I would say the owner of the building is a little different in a very good way. He wants to be sure that he does something the community will really embrace,” said Nichol-Smith.

Looks like I have some work to do!!

AJG
 
Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 06-19-2012, 10:57 PM:
 
Major Update

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SOUTH BEND — The State Theater has stood idle for years on South Michigan Street, but the grand movie palace still has plenty of admirers.

The downtown landmark means so much to local residents that dozens of them headed into the non-air-conditioned theater Tuesday afternoon just to listen to ideas that could help reopen it.

Banko Capital bought the State out of foreclosure in December and worked with Downtown South Bend Inc. to solicit the community’s visions for the old theater through a "Pitch Your Plan" contest. The call for input drew 88 entries in April, and the 10 finalists presented their proposals Tuesday.

Banko President Assaf Zvi Dagan said the winning idea won’t necessarily be implemented, but he does value the ideas that were submitted.

"First, we need to get the right idea. Then we need to get the capital," Dagan said. "The idea is to find something for the long run."

Gavin Ferlic, Paul Phair and David Sierdzki presented the winning pitch Tuesday.

Their idea is to make the State into a "rotating entertainment venue" that screens movies, and hosts musical and comedy acts on a regular schedule.

"What we found is, unfortunately, downtown at this time likely cannot support any single one of these," Ferlic told the contest’s four judges. "However, all of these combined can provide enough diversity and enough sustainability for a business to succeed."

Ferlic, who is a South Bend Common Council member and a business consultant at Innovation Park at Notre Dame, said the State would complement other entertainment venues in the city.

He said it’s smaller than the Morris Performing Arts Center, would have a different focus than the DeBartolo Performing Arts Center and, unlike Club Fever, would be open to people of all ages.

Ferlic added that drawing bands and comedians to the State could help other venues by proving to promoters that South Bend has a market for more entertainment.

Dagan presented the winners with a $1,000 check as a prize.

Staff writer Kevin Allen:
kallen@sbtinfo.com
574-235-6244

Copyright © 2012, WSBT-TV

Watch the video too, and you'll see me!!

AJG
 




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