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Posted by Tony L. Hernandez (Member # 3524) on 07-13-2006, 01:45 AM:
 
Just attended The City of Fort Collins, Colorado's first outdoor movie with some friends tonight. It was the 1987 "Princess Bride" on DVD, of course on a nice bid inflatable screen. It was all so nice and professional but it made me realize just how long its been since I've heard of a city run outdoor movie being run oon film. Very sad....

Anyways, does anyone here know of outdoor movies that use film as ossposed to digital? I am very interested to find one of the "movies in the park" programs that does. I was the projectionist at Greeley, Colorado's outdoor movies until they got DVD in summer of '03. We used two Eiki projectors with 16mm film. We had classics, family movies and some pretty new stuff now and then. What good memmories...what a wonderful exprience!

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Posted by Kevin Baglow (Member # 721) on 07-13-2006, 02:20 AM:
 
I'm In Eastern Europe, and just attended the areas biggest music festival at Novi Sad in Serbia EXIT 2006. They hold it in a 10th centuary fort. An outdoor cinema is included in one of the areas. They used 2 KW Xenon projector with 6000ft reels. SUPERMAN was the main attraction. Was hard for the sound system to compete with the 9 other nearby outdoor areas with bands and discos, but very nice effort! If any one would like to discuss the cinema business situation in Eastern Europe Email me
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Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 07-13-2006, 07:31 AM:
 
At least until last year, "Free Friday Flicks" was using 16mm. I assume that they still are, although I haven't been down there this year. They had a funky rear-projection system involving a pair of portable xenon Eikis. I don't know the details. The image is sharp, but not nearly bright enough for the size of screen that they are using (which is too small, anyway).
 
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 07-13-2006, 10:30 AM:
 
Check out the "Cinema Borealis" photos in the Film-Tech picture warehouse:
http://www.film-tech.com/warehouse/wareview.php?id=4&category=1

quote:
Cinema Borealis was a project of James Bond and the Randolph street gallery. With assistance from Mark Gulbrandsen, Rent-Com Inc., Intersonics Inc., Lonnie Jennings - Dolby Laboratories, JBL, Chicago Sun Times, 3 Penny Cinema, and the Documentary Film Group at the University Of Chicago.
Thousands of people enjoyed the free showings. Saturdays screening of 2001 was marred by rain but several hundred fans of HAL endured the weather and sat through the screening anyway.



 
Posted by Jim Bedford (Member # 4) on 07-13-2006, 10:43 AM:
 
Red Rocks Amphitheatre Films on the Rocks has been running a summer 35mm at their extraordinary outdoor site for about three or four years now.

Gary Stanley sets up his Christie P35, SLH lamphouse w/6000W, Speco platter, CP-65, and uses a 25' x 61' screen w/a throw of 120'. He's the projectionist too.

quote:
Program:
Monday, June 19 Top Gun
Friday, June 30 Animal House
Monday, July 10 Almost Famous
Tuesday, July 25 Pink Floyd The Wall
Wednesday, August 2 Ferris Bueller’s Day Off
Tuesday, August 8 King Kong (2005)
Monday, August 14 "The Original" Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory
Thursday, August 24 Old School

TICKETS ON-SALE Thursday, June 1st - $8.00 in advance, $10.00 day of show.
“4-Star Film Fun Pack” = 4 admissions, 4 hot dogs, 4 popcorns and 4 Pepsi fountain drinks for $44! (ONLY available in advance)
Tickets are available in all King Soopers stores and by phone at 1-866-464-2626. To buy tickets online and to obtain driving directions to Red Rocks, as well as rules and regulations of the Amphitheatre, go to www.redrocksonline.com or www.denverfilm.org

FILM ON THE ROCKS IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE DENVER FILM SOCIETY AND THE CITY & COUNTY OF DENVER.

One of the really great things about this program is that they don't compromise and play only PG stylee films. Because they often have R rated comedians and live music in the same program, they will play films that they think will draw a crowd.

Gary told me that once when a pre-show comedian used the "F" word quite a few times and was chided by an audience member that "children were present," the comedian told him "Don't worry, they'll explain the joke to you when I'm finished."
 
Posted by Fred Georges (Member # 505) on 07-13-2006, 10:44 AM:
 
Frank Angel will be along to supply details about New York because I know He's involved with an outdoor Film series. Here in Chicago We have an outdoor summer film series in Grant Park handled by James Bond. [beer]
 
Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 07-13-2006, 03:27 PM:
 
quote:
Anyways, does anyone here know of outdoor movies that use film as opposed to digital?
Since 1991, the Wine Country Film Festival has featured a number of 35mm outdoor screenings.

WCFF 2001 outdoor venues

WCFF 2003 Outdoor Venue

-Aaron
 
Posted by Bill Enos (Member # 440) on 07-13-2006, 09:44 PM:
 
If "organizations" are doing movies in the park for free, they are competing with you. Make sure they are doing it legally. We blew the whistle on a group that was doing it. They were advertizing "Star Wars", we asked our rep with the distributor about it, he said they hadn't licensed it, that was on Tuesday, the unlawful screening scheduled for Thursday was suddenly cancelled. They had been doing it for 6 weeks, it ended there.
 
Posted by Dan Zastrow (Member # 3796) on 07-14-2006, 02:59 PM:
 
Bill-
As long as they pay the licensing fee and are abiding by the law I think free outdoor screenings are great. Try booking STAR WARS in your theater and see how many folks show up. The outdoor screenings can't get first run anyway. The hook is that people are seeing the film under the stars, on the grass and possible enjoying a bottle of wine. I have done several outdoor shows in the park or on the wall next to the theater I run and it doesn't hurt our box office one bit. In fact, people appreciate the events and many became good customers of our regular runs at the theater. My wife runs the front of house at a winery in the Rusian River Valley. On July 29th we are showing NORTH BY NORTHWEST on the crush pad. Getting licensing from SWANK. Folks will have a glass of Pinot Noir, some popcorn and it will be a great time. Will people who come to this event decide that they have spent their movie money for the week and not go see PIRATES...you must be kidding!
 
Posted by Bill Enos (Member # 440) on 07-16-2006, 08:41 PM:
 
If we have to play by the rules they must do it too. If we played Star Wars without paying the licensing fee there would be hell to pay. These showings were being done by commercial promoter renting a public outdoor facility. While there was no admission fee to viewers, food vendors and merchandise sellers were charged pretty substantial fees. When confronted with the need to pay a couple hundred bucks out of their take to do it legally they bailed. Doing what they were doing is just as unlawful as making and selling pirated DVDs, that is stealing somebody elses property. Dan, the difference between these guys and you is you did it right, they didn't. The studio rep checked in seconds to see if any any distributors such as Swank,etc. had licensed it. We later got a thank you letter for helping reduce the number of pirate screenings.
 
Posted by Thomas Hauerslev (Member # 566) on 07-17-2006, 03:56 AM:
 
The Schauburg Kino in Karlsruhe, Germany does open-air cinema every evening from 21.07 - until 17.09. They seat 3000 people who can listen to 5.1 Dolby Digital on a gigantic screen.

Images and calendar here
 
Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 07-17-2006, 06:08 PM:
 
And of course the Galaxy Travelling Outdoor Cinema screens 35mm year round in and around Mackay in North Queensland, Australia.

We tour to the mining towns and are preparing to take in most of Central and North Queensland as part of a regular scheduled tour. Each tour should take about 6 weeks then begin again with another movie.

People love it. We're happy to say even the cold weather (by cold, I mean 50 degrees is about as low as it gets...this is the tropics, after all, but it's all relative, isn't it?) doesn't stop them coming. The only thing that knocks Galaxy on the head is the rain. We're going to install an FM transmitter though so folks can sit in their cars if it rains and listen to the movie through their car radios. They do sit in their cars even now if it rains, but hearing the show is an issue.

We go with films (depending on who the distributor is) about 4 weeks after initial release.

I'm in the process of getting some pics together and will post a picture tour shortly.
 
Posted by Thomas Hauerslev (Member # 566) on 07-18-2006, 02:55 AM:
 
This got to be among the coolest out door events

CE3K @ the Devils Tower

OUTIW @ Monument Valley

All events
 
Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 07-19-2006, 04:58 AM:
 
CE3K @ the Devils Tower looks very cool indeed. I sold my 16mm print of Xanadu to these guys many years ago. Their programming schedule is very good and inventive indeed.
 
Posted by Ian Bailey (Member # 1752) on 07-20-2006, 09:07 AM:
 
John it would be great to see some pictures of your setup in FNQ.
I've been thinking about doing something similar but on a much smaller scale back in your old stomping ground of NSW.
I'm really interested to know how you set the gear up and how you make it all transportable.Do you use an inflattable screen?
I think I need a holiday in Mackay!!
Cheers Ian
 
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 07-22-2006, 05:31 AM:
 
For the last five years of the over 25yr old Celebrate Brooklyn Summer Festival, film has been added in a big way. Our biggest audience so far was for CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON in 3D (anaglyphic, unfortunately) for which 6,000 showed up. And it's not all fluff -- just last week we got nearly that many for an experimental title featuring the alt experimental rock score of the great Yo La Tengo trio.

Just tonight we were about to go up with Hitchcock's BLACKMAIL and the Alloy Orchestra playing an original score. Unfortunately and hour before showtime the heavens opened up and we got pummled with an incredible thunder storm that drenched the site and our booth and threw 60 mph winds at our projection tower taking the tarp skins flying. Lightening strikes as close as a couple of hundred yards away made trying to salvage the night much too dangerous, and we had to abandon the tower and finally cancel. Even then, it was amazing to see a couple dozen people standing in the soaking rain at the gates.

Film outdoors has some mystical, exceptional power. It is just a unique way of seeing movies, and it seems to excite a very broad spectrum of people. I think it generates the same excitement as do the Drive-ins. People just love DIs and our outdoor, Movies Under The Stars shows with the same enthusiasm. I mean, you never hear anyone saying, "I HATE to go to the Drive-In; on the other hand, I am always hearing people say they hate to go to the movies -- that of course, meaning the indoor multiplex movies.

We run stuff that if it were booked into the standard indoor house, it would be playing to an empty theatre. We got thousands for THE SOUND OF MUSIC. Try running that at your local multiplex and you wouldn't make enough at the box office to turn on the lights.

We run 35mm on dual Century SAWs with ORC lamphouses buring 4.5K to a 50ft width, non-perf medium gain screen. Sound is a by a new-comer to the cinema scene, SLS Sound which uses Constant Q Time Array stacks with ribbon tweeters instead of the traditional horns. The system produces very clear, rich sound but powerful enuf to do all the live, knock-your-sox-off rock 'n roll acts that perform in the same venue.

There's pictures in the Picture Section as per here: Clicky

Some vexing problems that plague outdoor venues, the weather, of course, but things you wouldn't even think of, like squirrles chewing holes in the screen and thru wires. They even got into the tower and into the booth, chewing thru the gallon plastic jug containing Ecco 1500 film cleaner. Moisture and outdoor air polution oxidizes and corrodes contacts much more quickly than indoor -- we had a rectifier relay burst into flames last year because of oxidation on the wire connections.

Still to come -- July 27th - 7:30pm DRACULA with Philip Glass and the Kronos Quartet playing an original score for the classic film.

And -- Aug 3rd - 7:30pm This one is too complicated to paraphrase, so here is the brochure blurb:
BILL FRISELL takes on KEATON, MORRISON & WOODRING /
THE MOONLIGHTERS
A one-of-a-kind night of live music and film as BILL FRISELL, "widely considered one of the world's most innovative and unpredictable jazz guitarists and composers," (Seattle Times) performs original scores to an astonishing program of shorts: Buster Keaton's HIGH SIGN and ONE WEEK; a selection of surrealist animations by maverick cartoonist Jim Woodring; and the artist Bill Morrison's hallucinogenic reimagining of the eerie 1926 Boris Karloff gem THE MESMERIST.

Come one, come all....and pray for no rain. As odds go, in the five years we have been showing film on the big screen, this is the very first cancellation. Not to bad. If anyone FTF'ers want to come, let me know and I will get you VIP passes.
 
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 07-28-2006, 04:42 PM:
 
Well, you guys didn't pray hard enough. If you belong to the Drive-in list, it was posted there. :

"Well, we all knew that there is always the chance that rain can close down a show quicker than most everything else, except perhaps loss of power. And just fresh in our minds was the show last week that we had to cancel because, of a humongous storm, so we knew that we COULD get hit any time, but after 6 summers of operating without a single show canceled due to weather, we kind of put heavy rain out of mind. Surely we couldn't get a storm two weeks in a row....exactly a week apart with no rain in between. Last night proved to confound the law of averages.

We were playing the original DRACULA with the Kronos Jazz Ensemble and Philip Glass playing his score live on a platform below the screen. We rehearsed all day -- it's a big technical set-up sound-wise -- and the skys are blue and clear. And did the audience come out! It was a real "event" with over 7,000 people (our record to date). No question about it, people simply LOVE seeing movies under the stars, be it in their cars or sitting in a park. If I played this title, even with the stature of Philip Glass and Kronos in our 2500 seat indoor, I would be lucky if I got 300 --400. But as we know, outdoors has it's own magic beyond anything you throw up on the screen. I guess it starts with that thrill of sleeping in a tent in the backyard when you're 6yrs old -- but whatever it is, it sticks with most of us well into adulthood. So here comes a great crowd and the show is about to roll foreward.

Everyone is poised, the film starts, Kronos is in fine form, but then, middle of the second reel, it came -- a monstrous thunderstorm. Of course, as we always do, we work out a contingency plan as to what to do if we have to stop the show. We explained to Kronos that in the past, we had a night when we had a slight drizzle during WEST SIDE STORY and the audience just whipped out umbrellas and rain parkers and sat thru the rain -- these are SERIOUS outdoor movie fans! Kronos said they were gunghoe and we could move them on stage behind the screen and they would continue to play as long as people sat there.

At first we heard the thunder which coincidentally enough coincided with the rainy night scene in the movie. It sounded like it was on the soundtrack, only in stereo surround!
Then came the downpour, almost instantaiously it went from no rain to buckets pouring down on us and winds at 40 mph blowing it sideways. Out came the parkers and umbrellas and people still sat there, just as we knew they would. We were prepared to stop the show and wait for the rain to clear -- we have internet Doppler radar and can watch the storm's progress and it looked like it would pass in about 15min, BUT with the rain came lighting and thunder so severe and so close that there was no time between thunder claps and lighting, with thunderclaps so loud that they were really quite frightening. And anyone who saw POLTERGIEST knows what no time-lag between thunder and lighting means. Plus, just a few days before in exactly such a storm, two teenagers in the park were playing soccer and as they were walking off the field to get out of the rain, they were fatally hit by lighting. So with this fresh in everyone's mind and the very frightening, deafening thunder hits, we called the show for safety and had to tell the thousands to please leave the park, which in and of itself was pretty scary as at one point it looked like panic had set in in one area of the park and we had to make another announcement asking them to please walk orderly to the exits. Panic is an evil, very dangerous thing.

Anyway, no injuries; it all ended well albeit very sad that we had to kill such a great show with such a responsive audience. Brooklynites are a notoriously rambunctious bunch.... clapping, whistling, hissing Count Dracula and laughing hysterically at some of the hilarious dialogue in this 1930 classic. The Kronos people said this was the best audience they had ever played for.

Up in the tower we had to scramble to secure the projectors and equipment since when the show is running, obviously we take the "skins" (a new type of plasticized tarp that attaches with very wide velcro strips) off the front wall so we can project. When the rains come so fast and so furious, you have to really hustle to get the skins back in place to protect everything. We throw plastic sheets over all the equipment, except we discovered something we hadn't thought of until last night. If the projectors are running, even if you turn off the xenons, those 4.5 killowatt lamps need 20min to cool down and the auto function keeps the fans running; you can't just throw tarp over the projectors and cover the exhaust pipes.

We did loose the show last week as well, but that day the storm came at about 4pm and we could see on the Dopller that it was huge, covering as far back as Pennsylvania; it was clear that it would go on well into the evening. People make the decision not to come whenever they see any rain close to starting time. But believe it or not, about 30 people showed up at the gate, with their umbrellas and with their rain coats. I told the producer to give them free tee-shirts for being such loyal fans!

Loosing that show was a lot different as we just canceled it ahead of time; all I had to do was rewind the print and get out of that tower . That storm came with lots of very close, very fierce lightening as well, which, on an all-metal scaffolding tower with 400 amps of current powering the rectifiers on the ground level, the sound system on the first level, the lighting system on the second level and projection on the top level, not to mention that it is sitting out in the middle of open ground, you are well aware of the danger. You feel torn between the instinct to "RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY," and to protect the equipment. A dear friend called me on my cell and asked if I was still up on the tower. I said I was; she said, "Well, either get down now or take a Sharpie and write my office number on your forehead so when they find your body, they will know who to call." She is always thinking about me.

Anyway, just thought you guys would like to know about our rain experience. I know we are not exactly a drive-in, but we sure do have the same kind of problems. Rain certainly isn't something the hardtops have to worry about, but then again, they don't get to experience all that excitement. [Smile]

Frank
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