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Posted by Ron Funderburg (Member # 4561) on 04-12-2008, 03:53 PM:
 
I realize that this topic may be else where but I couldn't find it. Hell I may have even been the one that posted it before don't think so.

How many use Movie Tunes for their pre-show music? Does Movie Tunes do something specific for Drive-Ins.

Are their other providers for pre-show music? Is there a provider specific for drive-ins?
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 04-12-2008, 05:56 PM:
 
Just do a search for "Movie Tunes", you'll find at least one other thread that goes into deep detail about how awful it is.

I don't know of any specific music service for drive-ins.
 
Posted by Ron Funderburg (Member # 4561) on 04-12-2008, 07:25 PM:
 
Mike I know how bad it is the people I use use it. I don't exactly use it here but some of their music does play. The man pushes what he is paid to push I know that.

there use to be a goup that did drive-in pre-show music it was alright certainly better than what is available today from what I have seen. I would like to find an alternate source that is a bit less structured to the got to sell this music and more in line with music from movies.
 
Posted by Galen Murphy-Fahlgren (Member # 4535) on 04-13-2008, 12:46 AM:
 
At our theater we use Cinema Sounds, but it has this irritating habit of advertising for itself, as if people in the theater want to buy time on it. I don't know of anything for drive ins.

CinemaSounds homepage

[ 04-13-2008, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: Galen Murphy-Fahlgren ]
 
Posted by Thomas Pitt (Member # 4322) on 04-13-2008, 01:06 AM:
 
In the UK, cinemas usually just play a music CD for non-sync sound. Sometimes it's related to the movie that's about to come on (they played some James Bond music
before Casino Royale showed), but most of the time it's just some music CD they have.

I haven't any experience of Movietunes or Cinema Sounds; I don't think they operate in the UK. The cinemas probably have some agreement with the CD producers to play the music in 'public performance' before a movie, otherwise it would violate the 'private home use' license agreement for the music on CD.
 
Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 04-13-2008, 01:16 AM:
 
quote: Thomas Pitt
The cinemas probably have some agreement with the CD producers to play the music in 'public performance' before a movie
My guess is they're just playing a CD with either no thought as to any agreement or are simply assuming no one will come after them.
 
Posted by Barry Floyd (Member # 385) on 04-13-2008, 01:34 AM:
 
There is a music service specifically for drive-in theatres.

Ron, you want Drive-In Radio. It is EXACTLY what you want. It is a subscription based service, it's not free, but well worth the price you pay. We have used their service for the last 5 years. They send you 2 new disc every two weeks. Each disc is just over an hour long, and broken up into a combination of 12-14 minute music segments and 30 second and 60 second drive-in commercials specific to your drive-in. Each drive-in on the subscription gets the same music, but the commericals in-between the music are custom tailored to your theatre. You write the text of the commercials, send it to them and they'll layer it over background music, record it with a professional announcer.

I was a disc jockey in Nashville for 18 years prior to building my drive-in. I have the equipment, I have the music, and I have the voice for radio, what I don't have is time.

Shoot me a private email and I'll send you one of my disc from last year as a demo.

I believe Rodeo Jack also uses Drive-In Radio at his theatre.. I'm sure he'll chime in here if he sees this.
 
Posted by Jim Cassedy (Member # 4115) on 04-13-2008, 05:08 AM:
 
quote: Thomas Pitt
The cinemas probably have some agreement with the CD producers to play the music in 'public performance' before a movie, otherwise it would violate the 'private home use' license agreement for the music on CD.

Most of the places I've worked for over the years have simply played pre-show music from CD's, LP's, Cassette and yes, even 8 Track cartridges.
(Ouch! [Eek!] I've been doing this for a long time!)

In the past, I don't recall any of them worrying about licensing. But I think that situation is changing. I'm aware of several SF theaters recently receiving letters from ASCAP informing them to "cease & desist" from using music CD's unless they pay a yearly licensing fee. The fee stated in the letter I saw was was several hundered dollars per year and was ascessed based on the number of screens and seating capacity of the theater(s).
 
Posted by Hugh McCullough (Member # 1542) on 04-13-2008, 05:52 AM:
 
In the UK cinemas pay an agreed annual monetary sum to the Performing Rights Society.
This covers the cost of any royalties due on the non-sync music.
 
Posted by Ron Funderburg (Member # 4561) on 04-13-2008, 10:25 AM:
 
Barry, thanks this a great help it isn't my Drive-In it is reopen I'm consulting on and will do the booking for. The drive in has been shuttered for 20 years and the new owner is doing things right so this will help a great deal!
 
Posted by John Walsh (Member # 168) on 04-13-2008, 10:34 AM:
 
At one theater chain, they had old PC's with Media Player, which were distributed to each auditorium. The PC's were networked to the internet. The home office could upload / change the playlist whenever they wanted, such as to play Christmas music, etc.
 
Posted by Jack Ondracek (Member # 1466) on 04-14-2008, 07:29 PM:
 
quote: Barry Floyd
I believe Rodeo Jack also uses Drive-In Radio at his theatre.. I'm sure he'll chime in here if he sees this.
I think I've used 'Drive-In Radio' about as long as Barry... maybe just a year less. I think his service is first class. It's entertaining, and drives customers to your concessions. Very responsive company and well worth the money.

Jack (big fan)
 
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 04-14-2008, 11:26 PM:
 
Barry, do you supply your preshow for the Twin Hills DI outside of Lexington KY? I was there last year and forgot to as the owner what service he used. If that was you -- AWESOME, bro! I was very impressed. I used to do preshow for non-theatricals when I was young, ambitious and had time. Loved putting them together.
 
Posted by Barry Floyd (Member # 385) on 04-16-2008, 10:02 AM:
 
Frank,
Sorry... it wasn't me. I don't own or work for Drive-In Radio, I'm merely a customer on their subscription service. Could I do it... yeah, but for me it's totally a matter of convenience and time. I used to be a full-time disc jockey in Nashville and when I gave it up 5 years ago to go into the drive-in business, I was making a heck of alot more money than I do with both the drive-in and my day job. I enjoyed it immensely, but definely got burned out on the hours and the lugging around of equipment.

I've got a picture on the "Photos Page" of our website where Bill Booth from "Drive-In Radio" and his family came out to our theatre last summer to watch Hair Spray. First time I had seen him in several years.
 
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 04-16-2008, 08:19 PM:
 
Barry, I had a face for radio. [Wink]
quote:
The drive in has been shuttered for 20 years and the new owner is doing things right so this will help a great deal!
Ron, as long as he's going first-class, you'll want to get him fixed with some first-class screen advertising trailers:

Screen Attractions produced the first new intermission clock in over 25 years... as well as a compliment of rolling stock generic policy and institutional trailers. The best custom merchant and special-announcement trailers, too, at the lowest prices on the market - all in Dolby SR stereo. What a combination! [Wink]
 
Posted by Ron Funderburg (Member # 4561) on 04-16-2008, 10:55 PM:
 
Tim, Barry, Jack,

Thanks it is all good for me and I will be well armed at our meeting on Monday! Projection and sound ordered, Concession about to get bids on. they close on the 20 year closed property in about two weeks and then the fun really begins!

I saw True Grit at this drive in forever a go!!!

Ron
 
Posted by Barry Floyd (Member # 385) on 04-17-2008, 09:10 AM:
 
Ron..
If you want an actual demo CD,... just holler.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 04-17-2008, 10:28 AM:
 
This thread reminds me of my days of working in the drive-in here, in the mid/late '70s. It was owned by the parents of a friend of mine. Since I worked at the music store and was doing the DJ gigs at the time, I had access to all the pop music of the day...so we would create our own pre-show tapes using our DJ equipment. We would do our own commericals - we'd bring in friends to read scripts we wrote, some of which were actually pretty good. It was good for business at the drive-in too, because our friends would come to the movies an hour early, buy snacks and sit in their cars waiting for their "moment of fame" to come up on the pre-show. Fun times. All those tapes are lost to the ages - I wish I had a few of them.
 
Posted by Ron Funderburg (Member # 4561) on 04-17-2008, 12:23 PM:
 
Barry, thanks they are sending me a Demo CD out already. I am hopeful it will be here in time to take with me Monday!

Mike, yes I have similar experiences if we knew how important to you some memories would be we would be better at saving things connected to them. I have a splicer that sits on my desk at home, the old glue type unit it means the world to me and I would give that up for much of anything. When I left as City Manager from a job the projectionist all chipped in and bought it for me.
 
Posted by Jack Ondracek (Member # 1466) on 04-19-2008, 10:18 AM:
 
quote: Mike Blakesley
so we would create our own pre-show tapes using our DJ equipment
Does anyone remember the 7" reel tapes that Coca Cola used to provide drive-ins? Back in the '70s they seemed to be everywhere.

One of the drive-ins around here managed to hang on to a few, & we got copies of the commercial cutaways. On top of the old 'rock-star' Coke sings we found, these cutaways really add a lot of personality.

Did you know that Sprite tastes like ... "a lymon? Yep. That's what you get when you mix the flavors of lemon and lime"...blah, blah, blah... "Sprite! Another fine product from the Coca Cola company" (cue the really old music that sounds like it came off a cassette)!
 
Posted by Ron Funderburg (Member # 4561) on 05-14-2008, 03:04 PM:
 
One drive-in open and operating and the other's remodel is 95% done but we didn't have to close it down. All in things going well I guess.
 
Posted by Poon Limpapun (Member # 4551) on 06-02-2008, 11:20 PM:
 
We actually ran iTunes on our Non-Sync and set it to Shuffle modes and we regularly buy songs from CDs and load it in. Sometimes we put adverts and stuff on to the playlist as well.
 
Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 06-03-2008, 09:46 PM:
 
Another possibility: XM radio, ask for "commercial service" and public performance licenses will be included. Full cost is less than ASCAP fees alone.(Lots of channels, too.) Louis
 
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 06-09-2008, 04:10 PM:
 
quote: Jack Ondracek
Does anyone remember the 7" reel tapes that Coca Cola used to provide drive-ins?
YES, Jack!! They called themselves "Alliance Drive-In Theatre Recording Service," or something like that, out of Kansas City. I have a feeling DITMCO might have been involved somehow, but that's just conjecture.

I had a few of those Coke tapes until the mid-80s. The ones I had were recorded on LUBRICATED tape... so I used them to rewind a bunch of carts at a radio station I worked. [Frown]

I did dub the audio to cassettes before cutting them up, however, but they have long since been lost.
 
Posted by Geena Phillips (Member # 3726) on 06-17-2008, 05:00 PM:
 
At one time, I had five full CDs of really good music playing. Then, our CEO knew a fellow owner who got pinched by ASCAP, and he got all antsy. Now, if we're lucky, the MovieTunes disc fails to show up (MT really is a terribly run outfit), and I have the "pleasure" of playing public-domain music I've downloaded. >sigh<
 
Posted by Michael Brown (Member # 890) on 06-17-2008, 06:05 PM:
 
quote: Hugh McCullough
In the UK cinemas pay an agreed annual monetary sum to the Performing Rights Society.
This covers the cost of any royalties due on the non-sync music.

There are a couple of interesting news stories about this below:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7458671.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/the_p_word/newsid_7457000/7457376.stm
 
Posted by Jack Ondracek (Member # 1466) on 06-18-2008, 05:28 AM:
 
quote: Tim Reed
I had a few of those Coke tapes until the mid-80s. The ones I had were recorded on LUBRICATED tape... so I used them to rewind a bunch of carts at a radio station I worked.
Tim, send me your email address & I'll get you some of that stuff.

Alliance sent their tapes in returnable boxes. All you had to do was reverse them & they were ready to put in the mail. Who knows what might have been sent back! I always wondered how bad the tapes had to get before they stopped sending them back out.
 




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