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Posted by Paul J. Neuhaus (Member # 3205) on 06-01-2008, 08:56 AM:
 
I was just curious about something: On a trip to Thailand I went to a theatre and witnessed the most curious thing. Assigned seating!

When you bought your ticket at the boxoffice the attendant would ask what movie and when you made your selection they would pull up the available seating on a computer monitor that faced you. It showed sold seats in one color and available seats in another. This accounted for sales made onsite and online. Just like a sporting event!

You were given your choice of seats and your seat was locked in when you purchased your ticket. The auditorium #, showtime/title, and seat assignment were all on your printed ticket.

Auditorium doors were opened for seating at the posted showtime and trailers started 10 minutes later.

All the seats were clearly marked by row number and seat number. This was a very pleasant experience as there was no pressure to get a good seat or have somebody hold a seat for a friend because you already knew where you would be seated and just made way to it!

I am not sure what type of software was being used for the point of sale so I can't comment on it.

I was just wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience and whether others think this is a good idea for selling tickets.

Good Day!
 
Posted by Jaime Tuzzio (Member # 4760) on 06-01-2008, 10:06 AM:
 
ArcLight Cinemas in California have assigned seating. I have a friend in L.A. who swears by it. I'm sure there are several other theatres with assigned seating.

I like the concept, I'd just be real bummed if I settled down in my assigned seat and then had some squirmer sit down next to me, or someone who smells like sausage behind me, and then I can't move.
 
Posted by Greg Anderson (Member # 235) on 06-01-2008, 10:38 AM:
 
This kind of system was introduced in Utah's Megaplex theatres and I thought I didn't like it. It sort of kills the thrill of deciding, at the last minute, which movie to see (and then, because it was the last minute, not being able to find a good seat). And I wondered why you'd need a reserved seat for a noon matinee on a Tuesday.

But now I think it's great. I can get my ticket days in advance and then show up at the last minute without worrying about my seat. There's no need to have long, awful lines in the lobby... ever!

The only thing that I can't stand is that they charge an extra 75 cents when you buy a ticket through the Internet. Why should it cost so much, especially when I'm saving them the expense of having a huge staff of real people at the box office?

Anyway, check out any showtime at any of their theatres and then use the "preview seats" feature to see the type of thing you saw in Thailand.

http://www.megaplextheatres.com/showtimes/ogden_the_junction.php

They have a really useful web site, by the way. My hat is off.
 
Posted by Paul J. Neuhaus (Member # 3205) on 06-01-2008, 11:04 AM:
 
Wow that is a great website. Makes buying a ticket with a reserved seat easy!!
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 06-01-2008, 12:29 PM:
 
Assigned seating is still the norm for first run in some parts of Asia. In Japan, the tradition of doing "roadshow" presentations for major first run titles continues. Assigned seating is a part of that roadshow viewing experience, along with things like being able to purchase souvenier theater programs for the title being shown.
 
Posted by Justin Hamaker (Member # 2165) on 06-01-2008, 03:50 PM:
 
If I had to guess, I would think the main reason assigned seating fell out of favor is because it would require additional usher personnel to help get people to their seat - especially in a large megaplex. I think it would also encourage people to show up late which means they are disturbing everyone else in the auditorium - especially if their seats are in the middle of the row.

As for why internet ticketing costs more, I can give you several possible reasons:
1. It's a surcharge to pay for the cost of credit card processing.
2. It's a surcharge to pay for the additional cost of buying, building, and maintaining a web site which does on-line sales.

Whatever the reason, I'm sure that it has something to do with an additional cost that is not incurred when tickets are sold on-site. It's easy to dismiss the savings of not having a (extra) box office cashier, but most of the time that cashier is still going to be needed anyways and their hourly wage likely averages out to a couple pennies per ticket.
 
Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 06-01-2008, 04:15 PM:
 
quote: Justin Hamaker

As for why internet ticketing costs more, I can give you several possible reasons:
1. It's a surcharge to pay for the cost of credit card processing.
2. It's a surcharge to pay for the additional cost of buying, building, and maintaining a web site which does on-line sales.

1) IMO, two isn't several. [Wink]

2) The surcharge being for credit cards doesn't seem valid since they don't surcharge you for other credit card purchases

3) Charging extra because they bought a website isn't entirely valid either because they would buy/run a company website regardless of whether they sell tickets through it

It's a convenience charge. They figure "if other companies can charge convenience fees and no one complains why can't we do the same?"
 
Posted by Anslem Rayburn (Member # 1267) on 06-01-2008, 04:34 PM:
 
I know our site charges a fee for online sales because it is handled by a separate company and that's the way that company makes money. Our website and ticketing system don't handle the sales, and it has to be farmed out.

Edited to add: By using the outside company, we are listed on various movie listing sites without any action on our part, too.

AND they charge $1 per ticket if you sign up for e-mail alerts, $1.95 per ticket if you don't.
 
Posted by Eric Hooper (Member # 1730) on 06-01-2008, 08:59 PM:
 
I don't like the idea of assigned seating. I would rather choose who I sit next to/in front of/behind...
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 06-01-2008, 09:47 PM:
 
quote: Chris Slycord
3) Charging extra because they bought a website isn't entirely valid either because they would buy/run a company website regardless of whether they sell tickets through it
A site that does e-commerce is a lot more expensive to build/maintain. If we did internet sales I would definitely charge extra for that.
 
Posted by Lyle Romer (Member # 1266) on 06-01-2008, 11:41 PM:
 
One issue I could see with assigned seating is possibly losing concession sales. If people can show up at the last second and just take their seat they won't have time to stop at the concession stand without missing the beginning of the movie (at least missing trailers).
 
Posted by Kenneth Wuepper (Member # 1174) on 06-02-2008, 06:40 AM:
 
There is a charge for each transaction done by the software for our internet sales. It is a company choice as to passing this charge to the customer or eating it from the gross.

Assigned seating implies that you will enforce the seating assignment in the auditorium. That means you will have extra staff to seat customers and to settle disputed seating when customers misread their tickets and sit where they like upon arrival.

If customers plan to have snacks from the concession they will plan ahead and arrive accordingly. They will, however, not be very happy to wait in line at the concession or bar since the reason they bought the advance tickets was to avoid standing in a line.

KEN
 
Posted by Thomas Pitt (Member # 4322) on 06-02-2008, 01:03 PM:
 
Vue Sheffield have recently started doing assigned seating, and a few other cinemas in the UK do it as well. However, it's not very common.

If buying a ticket at the box office, the clerk will ask you whereabouts you want to sit and assign you a seat. If you book a ticket online for collection later, a diagram of the auditorium comes up on the website - you click on which seat you want.
However, if you buy a ticket at the ATMs there, you have no choice - a seat is assigned automatically.

I guess it's the only method of selling the different kinds of seats, particularly in the Evo screen (Superior seats, Sofa pods or beanbags!)

Edit: Here's a picture of the seating diagram from Vue's website. This diagram changes dynamically as more and more seats are sold, and you can also move your selected seat around.
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Posted by Kenneth Wuepper (Member # 1174) on 06-02-2008, 01:53 PM:
 
Thomas,

Does the "DISABLED" seat mean it is for physically challenged or is it truly not available for use?

KEN
 
Posted by Justin Hamaker (Member # 2165) on 06-02-2008, 02:58 PM:
 
One of the other issues I see with assigned seating is a box office transaction is going to take many time longer because each person has to select where they want to sit. So on a busy Friday or weekend, the line is going to move very slow - even if you have extra cashiers.

I would assume many of these systems have the capability to auto assign seats, but I would that would create many headaches from customers who are not happy with their seats and either sit where they want or come back demanding a change or refund.

Assigned seating might work well for a single screen or for a special showing - like a midnight movie. But I think it would be far to cumbersome to work well in a megaplex during peak times - which would be when assigned seating is most needed.
 
Posted by Greg Anderson (Member # 235) on 06-02-2008, 05:03 PM:
 
At the Megaplex theatres in Utah, there are kiosks (that work a lot like ATMs) in the lobby, so if you're using a gift card or a credit/debit card, you can avoid waiting in line at the box office. Use the touch-screen to get your tickets and presto! You're in. The checkout at the kiosk is a lot like buying one of their tickets online, which is why I'm confused that it costs an extra 75 cents per ticket online but there's no extra charge to do what feels exactly the same in the lobby.

So far, I've never seen anyone fighting over seats nor the need for extra in-theatre staff to enforce seat assignments. I don't think that the people of Utah are especially more polite than people elsewhere. I just think the patrons are used to the system and they like it, so they're happy to support it.
 
Posted by Poon Limpapun (Member # 4551) on 06-02-2008, 11:17 PM:
 
Hi Paul

Which cinema chain did you go to and what was the location name?
I am actually in charge of one of the chains here in Bangkok Thailand and we
do assigned seating. The software we are using is Vista and we have both Kiosk
machines, Internet Ticketing with Print @ Home, WAP/Mobile Ticketing and much more to come.

The local people loves reserved seating and we actually tested free seating sessions sometime last year and we have received lots of negative responses. As labour cost is so cheap here, we are quite happy to do assigned seating rather than having an argument in the theatre which seems to happen almost every day.

Hope this helps...
 
Posted by Paer Hoegberg (Member # 3133) on 06-02-2008, 11:44 PM:
 
We (in Sweden) have assigned seatings (since 98).

Most customers have booked there tickets online before going to the cinema - at the box office they only says the booking number instead of movie+time+no of tickets.

Also - shorter queues when customers can purchase there tickets some days earlier and know the seats.

Shorter queues means more concession, and also less staff selling tickets.
 
Posted by Paul J. Neuhaus (Member # 3205) on 06-09-2008, 06:57 PM:
 
Hi, sorry it took me so long to reply. I was in the Pataya Beach area. I don't don't know the actual mall location. I just know that we took a Baht Bus from the Ambasador Hotel and passed a Tesco on the way. Hope that helps to narrow it down ... sorry not much info to give.
 
Posted by Poon Limpapun (Member # 4551) on 06-10-2008, 11:59 PM:
 
Hmm.. Is the Cinema in a mall or an outdoor shopping center?
 
Posted by Paul J. Neuhaus (Member # 3205) on 06-27-2008, 10:12 AM:
 
In the mall
 
Posted by Andy Frodsham (Member # 4061) on 07-07-2008, 03:48 AM:
 
Yes, we have assigned seating in our theatre (and have done so for 34 years)! We have customers who always use certain seats or have specific preferences (i.e near an aisle, or near the screen or near the back)!

This is all done manually, using printed paper seating plans of our auditorium! There again, we can only accommodate 212 people, so we're not exactly a multiscreen megaplex!

[ 07-08-2008, 03:24 AM: Message edited by: Andy Frodsham ]
 
Posted by Poon Limpapun (Member # 4551) on 07-08-2008, 01:17 PM:
 
That's our cinema. Hope you've enjoyed it.

The reason that we have to have assigned seating is that we
have various seat types in one cinema screen. We have sofas
at the top followed by extra large seats then the normal chair.
We also charge extra for the seats in the middle aisle of the
theatre/ the ones that have extra leg rooms.
 
Posted by David Kilderry (Member # 142) on 07-10-2008, 05:36 AM:
 
Allocated seating is common here in Australia, it died out for a few years but is now back in all major cinemas. There are no extra staff required over and above a usual busy time.

Personally I prefer walk-up seating as I always arrive early and like to choose depending on the screen size and relationship to the seating.

David
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 07-10-2008, 08:52 AM:
 
I don't like assigned seating in movie theaters. I believe it should work "first come first serve."

Assigned seating works against the customers who arrived at the theater early usually with more than enough idle time to buy stuff from the snack counter.

When buying tickets for rock concerts I learned early on that it didn't do shit to arrive at the arena box office at "zero dark thirty" before tickets went on sale. Even if you were the first person in line when you got your ticket the fucking floor was already sold out, thanks to scalping companies and businesses that had certain deals with the arena. So it will be nice to arrive at a good movie theater half an hour early only to find all the "sweet spot" seats were sold out online a few days ago. Enjoy sitting over on the left end of the auditorium, Chester!

Assigned seating in combination with online ticket sales would allow a customer to get one of the best seats in the house, yet arrive at the theater late -perhaps even after the movie has started. Overall the model encourages more in the way of stragglers arriving late to the movie and causing more audience disruptions. Why rush? The empty seat is there. Who cares about the first act of the show? But if they do actually care about the movie, they arrived at the theater late and won't have time to stop at that snack counter. The movie distributor got its money, the movie theater didn't.

I can easily imagine how assigned seating will slow down the movement at the ticket buying line. You'll have groups of people trying to figure out where all of them can sit together. And you'll have the folks who can't figure out the metaphor of the seating diagram. I can also imagine lots of people wandering around in a dark theater while previews are running, squinting at their ticket stub and trying to figure out the location of their assigned seat. Don't drop your snacks while fumbling around! Obviously ushers with flashlights will need to be present to get all those confused customers seated before the show begins. But you know not all are going to be in their seats when the movie begins even after 25 minutes of previews.

The only benefit I can see at all to assigned seating is that it may encourage people to buy tickets at off peak times, like during week nights or week days. Outside of that, I think its a silly policy that will result in some customers not returning.
 
Posted by Greg Anderson (Member # 235) on 07-10-2008, 01:49 PM:
 
Bobby,

I had many of the same "reservations" about reserved seating that you have. But now I'm inclined to say, "don't knock it until you've tried it."

It's still "first come first serve" but, now, showing up "first" is done weeks in advance using computers. Buy your ticket and reserve your seat and, presto, you can relax for a few days until showtime. Then arrive at the theatre on opening day within a reasonable time and you still get a great seat. I can't tell you how great it is not to wait in line for countless minutes (hours?) just to get a good seat on opening night. Reserved seating hasn't changed my habits at all when it comes to how often I buy popcorn when I go to the movies. Most importantly, reserved seating makes me more likely to go to a theatre rather than wait for the DVD because...

A) I have a better expectation of enjoying the show when I know that I'll get a good seat.
B) I'm not inclined to wait until the movie has been out for a couple of weeks so that I don't have to fight the crowds. If I did wait for the crowds to go away before seeing a movie I'd be more likely to just bag it and wait just a few weeks longer for the DVD.
 
Posted by Mark Hajducki (Member # 1732) on 07-10-2008, 02:49 PM:
 
quote:
This is all done manually, using printed paper seating plans of our auditorium!
I remember the (charter) airlines using this method at their more remote outstations, with peel off stickers that were stuck to the boarding card.

How well does the system work for advance bookings?
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 07-10-2008, 07:34 PM:
 
quote: Greg Anderson
It's still "first come first serve" but, now, showing up "first" is done weeks in advance using computers. Buy your ticket and reserve your seat and, presto, you can relax for a few days until showtime.
To me it sounds more like a chore rather than a convenience.

For one thing, it's a movie. It's not tickets to the opera or some live rock concert.

Reserved seating or "reservations" also brings up the analogy between movie theaters and restaurants. Fine quality restaurants might be worth a reservation policy (not to mention a dress code). The Olive Garden isn't in that zone. Putting it bluntly, a lot of commercial movie theaters aren't delivering their theater experience anywhere near as well and consistent as the Olive Garden delivers on its dining experience. But yet that theater expects customers to make reservations?

What about spontaneous customers? Folks who just decided to go see a movie that evening. Reserved seating gets in the way of that -well, at least if the customers don't care about getting stuck with bad seats.

Sometimes I do the same thing. It's Saturday and I just decide, "hey, I'd like to go see a movie." But I'm picky about where I see movies and where I sit in the theater. Usually that only requires that I get to the multiplex 20-30 minutes before the show starts. The reserved seating thing will kill that whole idea. Oops. Didn't plan ahead. Guess I'll do something completely different that evening. Next thing you know the movie is coming out on Blu-ray.
 
Posted by John Hawkinson (Member # 1135) on 07-11-2008, 12:46 AM:
 
The theatre could hold back some blocks of prime seats and not permit them to be sold until an hour before showtime, and perhaps only at the box office. There are lots of ways to avoid some of the problems.

I expect you have to try-it-and-see to really know.

--jhawk
 
Posted by Andy Frodsham (Member # 4061) on 07-11-2008, 01:01 PM:
 
Mark, it really comes into its own with advanced booking. We have ticket books printed which contain all our seat numbers. Our 6 weekly programmes, listing all the coming films for that season, also contain a seating plan. People just phone-up and say they want to see a certain film. They then 'reserve' seat(s) for the performance. The reserved tickets need to be collected and paid-for 20 minutes before the performance. Any uncollected tickets are released for sale.

If people phone-up and get the answering machine, they can still leave a message and reserve seats. In these circumstances we cannot always guarantee that their first choice of seat is available (we will give them other ones as close as possible).

We do not accept automated online bookings.

We also only deal with cash! We do not accept debit or credit cards (this keeps our costs down).

It is, of course, also possible to buy any of the unreserved seats (or those uncollected reserved tickets) on the night itself!
 
Posted by Andy Muirhead (Member # 712) on 07-11-2008, 07:21 PM:
 
Andy, that sounds like a logistical nightmare, though I'm sure (from reading your earlier post) that it works well for you!

We only offer allocated seating for select events, usually the Met Opera performances.

Initially we did use it for regular shows (and I'm talking years back when we opened this location) and it just didn't work. It's hard enough for the Met shows. I think allocated seating probably works ok in maybe a single screen with enough staff to sort out disputes and seat people (and they do need seated), but in a multi screen it just doesn't work in my experience.

Far easier to work on a first come first served basis as far as seating goes, at least then you can educate customers that the earlier they come, the better the chance that they get a seat they like.

The customers who turn up to a sold out show just as it's starting and expect to find seats together and say "but we booked our seats". I'd love to say "Well the 300 people in there also did that, but they had the common sense to arrive earlier"
 
Posted by Andy Frodsham (Member # 4061) on 07-12-2008, 10:21 AM:
 
Andy, it acutally works really well - but I suppose we have all grown-up with the system! There is a definite culture of only selling tickets via the seating plan - customers always know where they stand (or sit)! Even customers buying 'on the night' have to select tickets 'off the plan' - where it is really easy to see what seats have been sold and which ones are still available.

It all quite civilised really when I compare it to what happens in some of our local multiplexes!

Having written this, I am aware that we are a small theatre (as I said before)!
 
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Posted by Cassandra Palko (Member # 5362) on 08-31-2009, 12:00 AM:
 
I have worked at two theatres in Wisconsin, USA with a couple of reserved seating options.

Theatre #1 was a 16-plex. Assigned reserved seating was available in the two auditoriums that had 70 foot wide screens and seated 470 people. The assigned reserved seating was in the upper balcony. The upper balcony consisted of one third of all the seats. It was the first time my company had tried such a thing and it proved to be very successful. Friday and Saturday nights were almost a guaranteed sell out. There were some kinks in the beginning getting the community to grasp the concept - but it's been over two years and we still have it. Something must be going right.

Theatre #2 is an 11-plex. Assigned reserved seating is available in the one auditorium at that location that has a 70 foot wide screen and seats 400 people. The assigned reserved seating is in the upper balcony. The upper balcony is also home to a cocktail lounge. With the addition of the cocktail lounge we have to comply with city ordinances in regards to liquor sales. In order to reserve one of these seats the guest must be 21 years of age or older or accompanied by a parent or legal guardian. The reserved seats in this area take up 50% of the auditorium.

Theatre #2 also offers reserved seating in 9 of the other auditoriums. Each auditorium offers the 3rd and 5th row up from ground level as reserved. That's only about 15% - all the rest are first come first serve. We have to staff additional ushers and our box office lines do take longer. It's a concept we are playing with. We have our believers and our naysayers. Our naysayers tend to be senior citizens.
 
Posted by Stu Jamieson (Member # 4626) on 08-31-2009, 05:44 AM:
 
I hate assigned seating. With the exception of sell outs I cannot see any point in it at all. I never go to the cinema at a peak time yet I'm still asked to select a seat in advance despite there being only me and 3 other people there. I universally ignore the allocation and sit wherever the hell I like after witnessing first hand the auditorium design and the location of potato crisp munchers, high haircuts and juvenile delinquents.
 




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