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Posted by James Waite (Member # 4536) on 07-02-2014, 01:55 PM:
I'm on a campus and the school colour is purple. my boss asked me to come up with a way to make purple popcorn. I bought a product called Glaze from Poppacorn. Used a separate old popcorn machine and clear oil so we can just roll it out when we want something special.
I did a lot of experimentation but never really got the popcorn to be evenly purple. Some kernals would be very purple, others would still be white. Overall it looked okay but I'd like to get it an even purple.
Does anyone have any advice?
Thanks
in advance for any replies.
Posted by Frank Cox (Member # 6258) on 07-02-2014, 02:05 PM:
I've never tried to make coloured popcorn. I suspect that the secret would be in stirring it fast enough when you add the dye so the dye gets spread as quickly as possible throughout the popcorn. Otherwise it would soak into the first few kernels and there's nothing left to do the last ones.
I wonder if you would get better results by making the popcorn first, then dying it afterward.
Posted by James Waite (Member # 4536) on 07-02-2014, 02:29 PM:
The glaze is basically coloured sugar, it makes sweet popcorn. I suppose I could check into somehow dying the popcorn without killing anyone.
Posted by Michael Putlack (Member # 6523) on 07-02-2014, 09:09 PM:
Maybe this is stupid, but have you just tried food coloring in the popping oil?
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 07-02-2014, 09:51 PM:
Gold Medal Products have a powdered caramel product where you add it into the kettle as you're cooking the corn.
Makes great caramel corn, but the cleanup take longer.
Posted by Steve Matz (Member # 1890) on 07-03-2014, 12:14 AM:
This is unrelated to Coloring Popcorn; but if you want the best tasting popcorn ever than use this particular Coconut oil.I've eaten popcorn cooked in Coconut oil before but it didn't come close to the flavor this oil gives. Even used it in a Macaroon Cookie Recipe. Maybe being Extra Virgin makes the Difference. You
gotta try this Brand I don't think you'll be disappointed...
http://www.amazon.com/Hain-Organic-Extra-Virgin-Coconut/dp/B00CXA0AKA
Posted by Buck Wilson (Member # 5885) on 07-03-2014, 12:22 AM:
I feel like that's just going to be about as good as it gets, I mean that's even how regular popcorn works... First bit out of the kettle is very yellow(oily and salty) and then fades to completely white by the end of the batch.
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 07-03-2014, 02:39 AM:
Shooting double oil on one batch once in a while and mix it in the rest of the cooked corn does fantastic wonders for a good bag of popcorn.
When I used to work with MANN Theatres, we had a manager that asked us to double the seasoning salt on every other batch. This would make the popcorn saltier, thus large drink sales would increase. Plus, we had O'dell's clarified butter topping, which is the real thing with just the water extracted out of the butterfat.
But, the real big treat in making excellent popcorn is to have a very hot kettle - a kettle that can reach well over 500 plus degrees. One dumps the seed in, then oil with these hot kettles and that popcorn just roars out of the kettle more fluffier and larger since that hot kettle would really get the moisture in the seed hot real quick causing it to actually explode due to sudden evaporation of the moisture.
My all-time favorite kettle to use is the Manley Cascading unit. This kettle was made from cast aluminum and was a good inch thick making it well to do to hold all of the heat. Thing cooked so hot that the oil, when getting hot would be clear as water and thin as well. Might smoke a bit, but you toss seed in that super hot oil and you had your batch done in a minute with the most excellent popcorn made.
Gold Medals and Cretor's can't touch a Manley bar none.
Our new kettle nowdays are so wimpy with just barely reaching 380 degrees when popping begins.
-Monte
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-03-2014, 11:29 AM:
I still have the manual from our old 24oz machine. The Manley oil heat test on that machine was, put the oil in (we used a big spoon), put a couple of kernels in the oil, wait till those kernels pop and then put the rest of the corn in. That was for the first batch only....subsequent batches, the kettle would be hot enough to heat the oil right away and you could put the second batch of kernels in right after you put the oil in. How we managed to never burn down the place in those days still amazes me.
The Cretors instructions tell you to put the corn in first, then add the oil, THEN turn on the heat, which is a direct contradiction to the Manley instructions that "the oil should be hot when you add the corn." So we use a variation on that...we put in the oil for the first batch, turn on the heat for a couple of minutes, THEN put in the corn and seasoning. It's slower, but gives better results.
The old manual also said that if popcorn is popping in less than a minute it means the oil is TOO hot. If the kernels are coming out huge and white (as opposed to yellowish and regular sized) that's another sign it's too hot and the corn will be cardboardy and tasteless.
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-04-2014, 01:02 AM:
I was taught to add the corn first. Then the oil. Safer that way.
Also, there's a certain ratio of oil to corn that we used to follow. I don't recall it anymore, but our corn measuring cups were designed to hold the correct amount when filled all the way to the top. Oil was delivered to the kettle via calibrated pump. Temp was around 360F.
Whatever the recipe -- I advocate sticking to it, and not go monkeying around with it like Monte suggests. That will lead to inconsistent results, which I regard as a bad thing.
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 07-04-2014, 01:32 AM:
Standard ratio was 3:1 for seed and oil. Thus, a 32 oz kettle close to 10 ounces of oil delivered.
Some chains thin the ratio down to 4:1 to reduce oil usage for economical purposes.
Nice thing on remembering these ratios is one can use this math when ordering both contents - like one orders 12 bags of seed and 4 BIB of oil.
I'm the only one that plays with the recipe. I don't show this to anyone - the ratios and standard procedures are used when I train employees on working the kettle.
-Monte
-Monte
Posted by James Waite (Member # 4536) on 07-04-2014, 03:01 AM:
We stick to the standard ratios when making popcorn, however we add less salt and the customers appreciate it. We also use coconut oil, expensive but tastes best. I also throw out all unused popcorn at the end of the night so each night has fresh popcorn. I know I wouldn't want to pay $5.00 for day old popcorn. Creates a lot of waste though and I've never been able to figure out a use for the old popcorn.
However the purple glaze seemed to work best if we used a double batch of oil and put the glaze powder in first and let it melt before putting in the corn. The main problem with this was I was the only person tall enough to see into the kettle to know when the glaze had melted.
I'm glad I used the spare machine, it does create quite a mess and I imagine would need major cleaning to go back to regular popcorn.
Posted by Frank Cox (Member # 6258) on 07-04-2014, 10:57 AM:
The conservation officers here (i.e. game wardens) use old popcorn to bait bear traps. Bears love popcorn.
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-04-2014, 11:51 AM:
quote: Monte L Fullmer
I'm the only one that plays with the recipe. I don't show this to anyone - the ratios and standard procedures are used when I train employees on working the kettle.
Monte, my concern with the comment was that, by posting it on a public forum, (a) you have shown it to someone; and (b) your intention seemed to be to encourage others to mess around with their popcorn recipes. These threads show up in Google searches, and the thought of some newbie stumbling onto this and following your "advice."
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 07-23-2014, 12:49 PM:
There's money to be made in marketing popcorn agressivly as a Health Food. Start by using less salt. We loudly proclaim "Popcorn, the Health-Food Snack. We use a blend of only the purest coconut and safflower seed oils* plus, we use 2/3rds less salt." With the asterisk below a picture of a tub of popcorn with the popcorn spilling all over the table, we explain, "*Coconut Oil, unlike the fat from meat and cheese, contains only Medium Chain Triglycerides (MCTs) which are fatty acids known to have a therapeutic effect brain cells and other organs, while safflower seed oil contains linolenic and linoleic acid which is known to lower cholesterol. And as everyone now knows, salt has a direct, negative effect on blood pressure -- the less of it, the better. Be Healthy! Eat Popcorn!"
They can add more salt to taste -- we have salt shakers on the counter and on each shake we have a sticker that says, "Use sparringly for better health." It has increased sales by about 10% and costs us nothing except the cost of the signs.
Of course we ALWAYS used coconut oil and add a tablespoon of safflower oil to the cooker. And it sure isn't difficult to NOT shake tons of salt on the popcorn before it's dispensed. The salt shakers are there so if they want to kill themselves, it's on them.
Posted by Frank Cox (Member # 6258) on 07-23-2014, 05:36 PM:
What do you use for salt shakers? I currently have some plastic ones that I purchased at a dollar store several years ago. Sometime they get stolen, sometimes they get broken, and now I would like to get some more salt shakers but I can't find plastic ones anywhere that I've looked for them so far.
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-23-2014, 06:34 PM:
We've used glass shakers since day one. Occasionally someone will swipe one and carry it into the auditorium. When that happens, if I get lucky I'll hear a "clunk" during the show when the culprit accidentally drops it. I then watch for a bunch of heads to tip floorwards, which tells me where to look for the salt shaker after the show.
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 07-23-2014, 10:22 PM:
But, "oh wait" : You get those anal ones worrying about gluten in their popcorn.
Sorry, corn is gluten free.
True though, popcorn is high in fibre by itself.
It's the coconut oil that the culprit...and why the use of canola oils.
Enough of stolen shakers: out comes the salt packets.
-Monte
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-23-2014, 11:58 PM:
I don't give two craps about "healthy" options here -- we use good old coconut oil and make it the good old fashioned way. We've tried things like fruit snacks and granola whatevers and other things and they always wind up expiring before they sell.
People who insist on something healthy during a movie are probably going to sneak it in anyway because they don't just want "a" healthy snack, they want "THE" exact healthy snack they have their mind on, and out of the gazillion options we probably don't carry it.
I had a guy once ask me, "Do you use that really bad type of oil in your popcorn?" I said, "Well, yes we do." He said, "SWEET! I'll take a large please." So that about sums up my feeling about popcorn right there.
Those salt packets would cost more than the occasional lost shaker, plus people will take 30 of them when they only need a couple, and the rest would wind up on the floor.
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 07-24-2014, 12:58 AM:
True, who wants that canola oil that makes popcorn taste funny, that makes kettle cleaning such a chore since that stuff burns so easily.
If you're going to make good popcorn, go all the way.
One plex I used to work at, we had those commercial tin salt shakers when the handles on them. We had a condiment stand were folks get their straws, napkins, peppers for their nachos and salt for the popcorn along with the butter flavoring topping.
We went to a hardware store and bought lengths of that decorative chain, made a loop on one end to attach to the handle of the shaker and the other end was bolted to the stand.
This was quite the fix until the company wanted to switch to packets - which was fine with us since we didn't have to fill the shaker, just fill the bowl with packets.
Posted by Lyle Romer (Member # 1266) on 07-24-2014, 08:22 AM:
quote: Mike Blakesley
I had a guy once ask me, "Do you use that really bad type of oil in your popcorn?" I said, "Well, yes we do." He said, "SWEET! I'll take a large please." So that about sums up my feeling about popcorn right there.
This is exactly how I feel. I'm still pissed to this day about the stupid "Center for Science in the Public Interest" (which is apparently just a couple of people that like to tell everybody else what to eat) and their attack on movie popcorn in the early 90's. A snack to have during a movie is a treat to indulge on once in a while. It isn't part of a person's daily diet. I want my popcorn to taste good and give me a little guilty pleasure while I watch a movie.
If I want to eat healthy, I won't visit the concession stand. Even a long 3 hour movie doesn't require eating during that time frame to stay alive. When I go get an ice cream sundae, I know it isn't health food. I eat it because it tastes good and I only get one occasionally.
Even if a food is part of a daily diet (like McDonalds), at least allow the choice of healthy or unhealthy French Fry oil. Fast food fries aren't nearly as good since they went to the 0 trans fat oils. Enough nanny state BS, let people decide how healthy or unhealthy they want to be. What's next, mandated time working out?
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 07-26-2014, 02:13 AM:
thing is, coconut oil is NOT an unhealthy oil. That's a myth; educate your patrons of that fact and not only will you not drive away those would couldn't give a rats ass about "healthy" when they want popcorn, but you draw in those who stay away because they have the erronious notion that coconut oil is the "bad" oil. quote: Monte L Fullmer
It's the coconut oil that the culprit
Monty, yes, it contains a saturated fat, BUT it's not the artery clogging saturated fat that we are familiar with in meat and butter. I can tell you that lauding the praises of how healthy popcorn is and debunking the old myth and explaining that it is NOT an unhealthy snack, went a long way to boost our sales. We have a lot of yuppy types as part of our demographic and they DO tend to prefer "healthy," or at least they prefer it if you slap the "Healthy" label on it.
I was almost tempted to call it "organic" popcorn, but I was told you can't do that unless you know that the corn was grown without pestisides. But I can tell ya, that buzz word "healthy" is a charm.
Check this out:
Heath Benefits of Coconut Oil
In part it says:
quote:
Coconut oil is one of the few foods that can be classified as a “superfood.”
Its unique combination of fatty acids can have profound positive effects on health.
This includes fat loss, better brain function and various other amazing benefits.
Here are the top 10 health benefits of coconut oil that have been experimentally confirmed in human studies.
1. Coconut Oil Contains a Unique Combination of Fatty Acids With Powerful Medicinal Properties
Coconut oil has been demonized in the past because it contains saturated fat. In fact, coconut oil is one of the richest sources of saturated fat known to man, with almost 90% of the fatty acids in it being saturated (1).
However, new data is showing that saturated fats are harmless. Many massive studies that include hundreds of thousands of people prove that the whole “artery-clogging” idea was a myth (2).
Additionally, coconut oil doesn’t contain your average run-of-the-mill saturated fats like you would find in cheese or steak.
No, they contain so-called Medium Chain Triglycerides (MCTs) – which are fatty acids of a medium length.
Most of the fatty acids in the diet are long-chain fatty acids, but the medium-chain fatty acids in coconut oil are metabolized differently.
They go straight to the liver from the digestive tract, where they are used as a quick source energy or turned into so-called ketone bodies, which can have therapeutic effects on brain disorders like epilepsy and Alzheimer’s.
And safflower oil is polyunsaturated so we add a touch of that as it actually helps soften existing plaque in arteries so I have no problem calling out popcorn "Healthy SuperFood." And as you point out, it also is very high in fiber. It's all the other stuff that they smother it with that's the culprit. So we just don't top it with anything and let them squirt the butter and sprinkle the salt and/or cheese on it themselves.
Posted by Steve Matz (Member # 1890) on 07-26-2014, 03:02 AM:
Aside from Popcorn/Food, Virgin Coconut Oil is one of the healthiest oils you can use on your Skin,Hair,etc. Many Skin creams,Tanning oils contain mineral oil which clogs your pours.Look at your high end Tanning creams/oils and Skin Creams;they won't contain Mineral oil. Coconut oil is a natural skin hydrater which will keep the wrinkles away longer and keep
you with a more youthful skin appearance if used regularly.The Brand I mentioned earlier(HAIN) in the thread is the best of the Best; that's why it is usually out of stock even on Amazon. When people start using it as a healthy Skin aid as well as a Spectacular Food oil then they Buy it all the time. Coconut oils
are not all the same. You want one that reads like this"ORGANIC EXTRA VIRGIN,COLD PRESSED,UNREFINED"
http://www.amazon.com/Hain-Organic-Extra-Virgin-Coconut/dp/B00CXA0AKA
:Read the Customer Reviews- 5 stars:
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 07-26-2014, 03:11 AM:
One needs to do a Google search on MCT. There is quite the amount of information on this one topic.
Read one site that MCT is like using premium fuel in a car. Car can run better with more energy... due to the substance of MCT going straight to the liver to give the system the boost it needs.
-Monte
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-27-2014, 09:19 AM:
In 1994, when some theaters switched from coconut to canola oil, it had nothing to do with gluten. It was about fat content. THAT was the reason for the original switch away from coconut oil. (Most theaters ended up switching back after a while.)
Here's the article from the New York Times:
How About Some Popcorn With Your Fat?
quote:
By WILLIAM GRIMES
Published: May 1, 1994
The scariest thing at the movies isn't Jason or Freddy Krueger. It isn't even Mickey Rourke in a dramatic role. It's popcorn.
In a report released last week, the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a national consumer group that specializes in food and nutrition issues, announced that the popcorn sold in the typical movie theater absolutely drips with unsaturated fat, the kind that raises blood cholesterol and clogs arteries.
The culprit is not the popcorn itself but the superfatty coconut oil that most theaters use to pop it. That and the butter -- hydrogenated soybean oil in most cases -- that's drizzled on top. A medium-size buttered popcorn, the report said, contains more fat than a breakfast of bacon and eggs, a Big Mac and fries and a steak dinner combined. The report was published in the center's Nutrition Action Healthletter.
"Theater popcorn ought to be the Snow White of snack foods, but it's been turned into Godzilla by being popped in highly saturated coconut oil," said Michael Jacobson, the center's executive director, lobbing this carefully composed sound bite at a press conference.
The bad news in the report was delivered with an unmistakable "this will curl your hair" delight. Invoking the deadly Big Mac measure of comparison, it announced that a large unbuttered popcorn had the saturated fat equivalent of six Big Macs. With butter, that's eight Big Macs. The report did not say what happens to moviegoers who like to eat Big Macs along with their buttered popcorn.
Lest readers think that relief can be found elsewhere at the concession stand, the center also published charts of the fat and sugar content of the most popular candies. The findings are grim: 34 grams of "sat fat" in a box of Goobers, which is even worse than the 29 grams in a small buttered popcorn popped in coconut oil. The recommended daily maximum of saturated fat is 20 grams.
The methodology for the popcorn part of the survey was simple. The center bought popcorn at 12 theaters representing six chains in San Francisco, Chicago and Washington and then sent the samples to a laboratory. Then it compiled a chart showing the grams of fat in the sizes generally sold in movie theaters, setting up categories for popcorn popped in canola shortening (bad, but not as bad as coconut), coconut oil (very bad) and coconut oil with butter topping (buy a burial plot now).
At the Popcorn Institute, a trade group that represents popcorn suppliers, they're putting on a brave face. "We don't think people are going to run screaming from the building because popcorn is sold," said Deirdre T. Flynn, a spokeswoman for the institute. "If you eat it as a little indulgence now and then, it's not going to kill you."
Ms. Flynn has a point. The average American sees five movies a year. Even if a medium popcorn is a fat festival in a box, is it reckless endangerment to indulge five times a year? "It all adds up," said Jayne Hurley, who wrote the report. "A small unbuttered popcorn is an entire day's worth of artery-clogging fat."
Although the center often seems like the kind of outfit that would publish a scorching report on cakes and ale, Ms. Hurley said she does not want to deny America its small pleasures. Popcorn prepared the low-fat way, either in corn oil or air popped, is great. "This is a simple thing to fix," she said. "All it requires is an oil change."
Easier said than done. Popcorn is in our fat-laden blood. The Popcorn Institute won't go so far as to say that its product was served at the first Thanksgiving, but it comes darned close. "There was a corn that was kind of puffed," said Ms. Flynn.
Popcorn is not just another snack -- it's a national icon. Last year Americans consumed an average of about 65 quarts each.
And now we find out that one of our most traditional foods, served at one of our great institutions, the movie theater, is a secret assassin. More Than a Snack
This is a cruel blow. Who wants a superhealthy box of air-popped popcorn, sans salt? It's like snacking on virtue.
Perhaps some alternative approaches deserve exploration. Theaters could alert an usher trained in CPR whenever a customer orders a large buttered tub. They could also offer, at a modest surcharge, on-the-spot life insurance, like that sold by airport vending machines. Or customers could qualify for extra butter by working out aerobically for 20 minutes on a Nordictrack in the lobby.
Some of the hipper movie houses have dropped popcorn from the menu altogether, offering espresso and fruit juices at concession stands that fairly glow with good health. This may be the wave of the future, but the American public might want to think twice before signing on. When Steven Seagal starts stacking the bodies like cordwood, a primal urge strikes. The right hand begins moving, and what it's groping toward is a waxed cardboard cup brimful with little salted white puffs that drip with butter.
That's entertainment.
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 07-27-2014, 06:50 PM:
This was about the time that "Crapaplex" Odeon suddenly switched out their coconut oil to canola with this report, circuit wide.
I knew the managers for CO in our area and all knew that this statement about the horrors of coconut oil was a total farce.
But when Dubinsky made the decision to be cautious of their customer's health, he went in the deep end without doing any research-what was written was set in stone.
-Monte
Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 08-03-2014, 07:07 AM:
quote: Frank Cox
I wonder if you would get better results by making the popcorn first, then dying it afterward.
That won't make it much easier. I know, because I've tried it myself, both with coloring (the popcorn was supposed to get orange, but without any really noticeable difference in taste and "mouth feel") and with liquid flavoring.
- You now need to stir a whole bunch of popcorn, which doesn't it make easier, unless you have some industrial gear to stir it with...
- Adding liquids to your popcorn after it has popped does make it wet. You can fix that by letting it dry for a few hours, but that will kill the "freshness" of your popcorn.
The end result of the dyed popcorn was that most of the "crunch" was gone, even after drying it for a considerable time. I've tried this with both salted and sweetened popcorn. The result with the sweet popcorn (which most Europeans prefer), was better, probably the dye will stick more to the sugary coating and will not get soaked up into the popcorn itself as much.
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