This is topic MoviePass Brings Netflix-style All-You-Can-Watch Model to Movie Theaters in forum Ground Level at Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE.


To visit this topic, use this URL:
https://ft-forum.com/ft/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=002871

Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 06-28-2011, 06:16 PM:
 
MoviePass Brings Netflix-style All-You-Can-Watch Model to Movie Theaters

Source: slashfilm.com

quote:
Netflix’s all-you-can-watch model works so fantastically for so many cinephiles, it was only a matter of time before someone attempted to do the same with films still in theaters. Enter MoviePass, a new service which will allow subscribers to watch an unlimited number of theatrical releases for just $50 a month. Not too shabby, if you’re the kind of person who goes to the movies at least once a week.

Through MoviePass (via Wired) subscribers will be able to find showtime listings and purchase tickets on their smartphones, and then use their smartphones as tickets to get into the actual film. The $50 gets subscribers as many movies as they can watch, though 3-D and IMAX films will incur an additional $3 surcharge. In addition, MoviePass will offer customers early looks at new trailers, occasional invites to promotional screenings, and the opportunity to pre-order DVDs “as soon as they walk out of the theater.”

Of course, MoviePass won’t be for everyone — at least not yet. I suspect many of you watch enough movies to make the subscription fees worth it, but I have plenty of non-cinephile friends who only catch movies in the theater once a month or so; the service would be extremely cost-inefficient for them. Moviegoers who live in areas where movies aren’t as expensive, or who usually get student or senior discounts, would also be less likely to benefit from the service. MoviePass will probably be most useful for cinema-obsessed folks who have several local theaters, as opposed to those who only have one major theater in their immediate area. But if MoviePass does well in its initial launch, I’m sure the company will keep looking for ways to expand its appeal. A “limited pass” plan is currently being developed, which would allow subscribers four movies a month for $30.

If MoviePass takes off, it could be great news for studios and theaters as well as audiences. Studios would have the opportunity to promote their films to exactly the kind of people who actually buy tickets and DVDs, and the flat fee could encourage filmgoers to check out films they might otherwise skip. Larger audiences would also be great for theaters, who earn more money from concessions the more people actually show up to the theater.

MoviePass beta is set to launch Wednesday with 21 Bay Area theaters (see list below), and then expand to other U.S. cities over the next few months. The company is targeting a fall date for a national launch. The current goal for the service is to offer access to 40% of all U.S. theaters at that point.

Here are the Bay Area theaters that will participate in Wednesday’s beta launch:

Albany Twin, Albany
California Theatres, Berkeley
Shattuck Cinemas, Berkeley
Camera 7, Campbell
AMC Cupertino Square 16, Cupertino
AMC Bay Street 16, Emeryville
Camera Cinemas, Los Gatos
Piedmont Theatre, Oakland
Aquarius, Palo Alto
The Clay, San Francisco
Bridge, San Francisco
Lumiere, San Francisco
Embarcadero, San Francisco
Opera Plaza Cinemas, San Francisco
AMC Van Ness 14, San Francisco
Big Cinemas Towne 3, San Jose
Camera 3, San Jose
Camera 12, San Jose
AMC Eastridge 15, San Jose
AMC Saratoga 14, San Jose
AMC Mercado 20, Santa Clara
Discuss: Will you sign up for MoviePass when it comes to your town? I’m curious to see which of the NYC theaters they’ll actually sign up for the service — if too many of my favorite indie theaters are out, I would be less likely to join. If any you Bay Area folks try the service out in the next couple of days, please share your thoughts in the comments.


 
Posted by Jonathan M. Crist (Member # 413) on 06-28-2011, 07:56 PM:
 
Most of the major chains in my area have a policy of no passes at all during the first two weeks of any 2D picture and no free passes at all for 3D pictures.
 
Posted by Mike Spaeth (Member # 524) on 06-28-2011, 09:50 PM:
 
These are all Movietickets.com properties ... I wonder if it's a deal through Movietickets.com...
 
Posted by Mark Hajducki (Member # 1732) on 06-28-2011, 10:01 PM:
 
In the UK Cineworld have a similar scheme for £15 (USD 24) [London is £18 (USD 29)].

3D costs £1.5 (USD 2.5) extra, with 3D glasses costing 80p.

Customers are required to sign up for 12 months.
 
Posted by Mitchell Dvoskin (Member # 751) on 06-29-2011, 11:50 AM:
 
It is my understanding that MoviePass is dealing with the online ticketing services, not specific theatres or circuits. Therefore, I would have to assume that the theatre gets paid the full price they negotiated with the ticketing service, and MoviePass will make it's profit on those customers who utilize the service for less than $50 dollars a month worth of movies. Of course, this will be offset by people attending more than $50's a month worth of movies.

Other reported restrictions (beyond the $3 3D surcharge) are:

I can buy AMC silver passes for $6.50 and gold passes for $8. That means that I would need to go out to the movies 72 to 84 times a year for me to break even. Quite honestly, there is nowhere near that number of new movies that I have any desire to pay money to see. Add on to that all the restrictions, I don't see this as a viable business model.
 
Posted by Mike Rivest (Member # 5500) on 06-29-2011, 04:54 PM:
 
Cinémas Gaumont Pathé in France has "Carte LE PASS" http://www.cinemasgaumontpathe.com/lepass/ They had this for years.

Also UGC in France, http://www.ugc.fr/typepage.do?alias=carteugcillimite#plusui
UGC Illimité, le cinéma sans limite pour 19,80€ par mois.
UGC Illimité 2, le cinéma illimité à 2 pour 35€ par mois.
that is less than what is being charged in San Francisco.

Did AMC tried this in Oklahoma City until Paramount complained and it was cancelled?
 
Posted by Jerome Holmes (Member # 5013) on 06-29-2011, 05:04 PM:
 
I work at one of these movie theatres. I haven't heard a peep about this. Provided that the person attends more than 8 shows a month, the deal is better than the best deal they can do at the threatre.
 
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 06-30-2011, 04:06 AM:
 
quote: Mitchell Dvoskin
Users are limited to seeing one movie per day. That's a show stopper for those of us who like to see multiple movies on a rainy Saturday.
Users can only see a movie one time. If you want to re-watch the same film, you’ll need to pay for your ticket.
Tickets are non-transferrable. I wonder how they are going to enforce this.
Tickets must be purchased the day of the show.

Well, these are plenty of restrictions, and the one a day thing makes this NOTHING like the Netflix model. I am with Mitchell; I like to see more than one movie when I treck out to the mulitplex, and I can easily watch three movies in the course of an afternoon and evening via Netflix at home, so no, is a lame attempt to go Hi-Tech. One would really have to think this thru whether or not it is any kind of advantage at allm same as any other pre-pay scheme.
 
Posted by Ken Lackner (Member # 1002) on 06-30-2011, 07:36 AM:
 
When I first read about this, I thought it was an interesting concept, and could possibly be worth it for someone who watches a ton of movies every month. But as other have pointed out, the restrictions mentioned seem far too, well, restricting. One movie a day? I can only see the movie once? Those would definitely be deal killers for me.

There's one more deal killer that would come in to play before any of those restrictions, though: I don't have an iPhone or Android. I think it is a cool concept to be able to use your phone as a e-ticket and have a barcode displayed on screen that is scanned at the door. Many airlines are doing this now with e-boarding passes, and I've used that method. But why not make it optional. Customers should have the option of receiving a physical card that they can swipe at the box office or kiosk to retrieve their ticket.
 
Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 06-30-2011, 11:09 AM:
 
It'll probably be similar to what they do for groupon and lots of airlines, where you can either use your smartphone to show your order number/barcode or use your phone to show the same thing.

I did that once where my printer wasn't behaving and I needed my boarding pass to fly the next morning. Just open up the pdf and they could scan it from there. But if I'd printed it in paper format, they'd not have cared a bit.
 
Posted by Dominic Espinosa (Member # 2122) on 06-30-2011, 03:08 PM:
 
We are listed right at the top as participating.
Never heard of them either till that Wired article came out.

I looked up their domain name, it was hidden by a DNS protect service. No luck there.

Found a phone number, called it, and was assured by some kid (sounded like a 15 year old) that all the theaters on their list are contacted in advance of being put on their list so that they're aware.

I explained that I was one of them and never heard of them.

He reluctantly gave some names and an e-mail address but no phone numbers...

It sounds to me like they launched without really looking into it. Because our booker is telling us the big boys aren't doing it and the distribs are threatening hell and damn-nation if they take moviepass tickets...
 
Posted by Mitchell Dvoskin (Member # 751) on 06-30-2011, 03:54 PM:
 
I tried to go to moviepass.com, and my anti-virus software barfed up a fur ball. Apparently there is also a moviepass virus out there. If you google "remove moviepass" there are a number of sites with instructions on how to get rid of it. Hopefully the providers of this service are not related to the virus.

Just another obstacle for MoviePass to overcome.
 
Posted by Dominic Espinosa (Member # 2122) on 07-01-2011, 12:03 AM:
 
Aaaand it's dead.

After Theaters Balk at MoviePass, Beta is put on hold

quote:
AMC Theatres and other cinema chains say they will not participate in all-you-can-watch movie service MoviePass, leading the startup to put its beta on hold just as the blockbuster Fourth of July weekend is getting under way.

After MoviePass announced its launch earlier this week, movie exhibitors have been pulling away from the service, which would offer users unlimited movie screenings for $50 per month and allow them to buy tickets using their smartphones. AMC even claimed MoviePass included the theater chain without its consent.

“Plans for this program were developed without AMC’s knowledge or input,” Stephen Colanero, AMC Theatres‘ marketing chief, said Thursday in a press release. “It was news to us to see that we were participants and we will be communicating to those theaters they are not to accept MoviePass.”

Camera Cinemas will also turn away customers who attempt to use MoviePass, director of operations Dominic Espinosa said in an interview with Bloomberg. Landmark Theatres CEO Ted Mundorff told TheWrap he didn’t know about the service prior to the announcement of the beta launch.

“We are stunned that an announcement like this was made, and they ‘forgot’ to discuss it with their clients,” Mundorff said. “We are not interested in outside entities setting ticket prices for us.”

MoviePass coordinated its ticketing with online ticket sellers, instead of cinemas, after not being able to get exhibitors to sign on. The company hoped to get a proof-of-concept out of its private beta, scheduled to take place over the July 4 weekend in the San Francisco Bay Area, and use that to get the movie chains on board, said MoviePass co-founder Stacy Spikes in a phone interview with Wired.com.

With the beta on hold, the company is currently looking at other theaters to test the service, with the aim of resuming the trial period and proving the model to theater chains.

“We’re enthusiastic that once we can walk them through the service they’ll be excited, we just haven’t had that opportunity yet,” Spikes said. “The silver lining of all of this is that this has created the ability to have that dialog now.”

One of AMC’s issues with MoviePass is how purchases of the all-you-can watch pass would be credited to its AMC Stubs members, who receive rewards for ticket and concession purchases.

“As MoviePass was created without AMC’s input and testing, we cannot confidently say the guest experience would be positive for our guests and specifically our AMC Stubs members,” Colanero said in the statement.
‘We kind of turned the spigot off.’

When MoviePass announced its private beta earlier this week, the company was scheduled to launch its service in the San Francisco Bay Area over the July 4 weekend, and claimed 21 theaters were participating. The service began to launch Wednesday but “we kind of turned the spigot off,” Spikes said.

Despite the reaction from theater chains, Spikes said he remains confident MoviePass can move forward.

“If we have to do some modifications to get people to do that, we’re glad to,” Spikes said. “We want to help bring people back to theaters.”

Well, as I said above they never asked us but their "customer service" monkey said otherwise.

I think the whole thing is fishy. According to our online ticketing vendor the only way they would've been able to sell a ticket into our system is if they passed a legitimate credit card to MovieTickets.Com which would then pass it through to our vendor and into our POS server.
So obviously the back-end wasn't even there.

Very fishy indeed.

Indirectly our booker said the distribs were ready to give us hell if we accepted them. Not sure how that would've worked but...If the distribs say no..Well, then you're SOL.
Sory, Stacy.
 
Posted by Mitchell Dvoskin (Member # 751) on 07-01-2011, 09:28 AM:
 
It's good to know that part of MoviePass's business model is selling your data and targeted marketing, as reported in The Hollywood Reporter

quote: Hollywood Reporter

Even though MoviePass proposes to pay full price for tickets, and make back the difference selling data and targeted marketing, the idea of steep discounting is discomforting for exhibitors.


 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-01-2011, 02:00 PM:
 
And the theaters will get blamed for gouging the consumers again, even though it's the studios who would never go for such a thing, even if theaters would.

I also hate the "bring people back to theaters" phrase that people keep saying. The ones who don't like the experience aren't coming back. Because they don't like it, for whatever reason. There are loads of people who will go to theaters if there are movies they want to see. But they're not coming "back," they're just coming. If we provide something they like.
 
Posted by Jerome Holmes (Member # 5013) on 07-02-2011, 12:16 PM:
 
And the Variety artical

quote:
Subscription ticket venture MoviePass DOA
$50-per-month service suspends beta test after exhibs squawk

By Josh L. Dickey
By the time the dust settled on the planned weekend launch of Movie-Pass -- a $50-per-month service that would have allowed subscribers unlimited access to theaters using their smartphones as tickets -- the AOL-backed venture had given up the fight … for now, at least.

Less than four months after the shock of premium VOD, exhibitors were blindsided this week by the beta rollout of MoviePass, which on Monday quietly announced its service at 21 theaters in the San Francisco Bay Area.

By Thursday morning, the theaters on that list -- most of them Landmark and AMC chains -- were apoplectic, insisting that they'd never been contacted by the New York-based venture and had neither the intention nor means to participate in it.

"Plans for this program were developed without AMC's knowledge or input," Stephen Colanero, chief marketing officer at AMC, said in a statement. "As MoviePass is currently designed, it does not integrate well into our programs and could create significant guest experience issues."

And on Thursday night, after reps for all 21 theaters told Variety they'd had no prior communication with MoviePass and no plans to cooperate, MoviePass co-founder Stacy Spikes waved the white flag.

"I don't think we're going to get it solved with this long weekend coming up," Spikes told Variety. "There are just a lot of important people on vacation right now and too much to be worked out."

That came as good news to the exhibitors, all of whom had been hastily drawing up plans for dealing with subscribers who might have shown up expecting admission this weekend. Those plans varied from chain to chain:

Camera Cinemas and Big Cinemas, which represented five of the 21 locations, said they would most likely have politely turned people away. AMC instructed its six theaters on the list to deal with customers on a case-by-case basis, gauging their level of dissatisfaction and comping them accordingly.

But Landmark's 10 locations would have honored already-purchased redemption codes, which offers a glimpse into some of the venture's backstory: MoviePass had planned all along to pay theaters the full ticket price via movietickets.com, which, by no coincidence, is owned by AOL -- a primary backer of the MoviePass venture. In fact, each of the 21 theaters listed as part of the MoviePass beta test is a subscriber to the movietickets.com service.

None of them sells tickets through NBCUniversal-owned Fandango, which previoulsly partnered with Groupon for a two-for-one promotion for the Lionsgate release of "The Lincoln Lawyer."

Spikes had hoped that a quiet beta test of MoviePass in one market could give the venture's execs the data they needed to present a stronger case to exhibs and distribs, with an eye toward taking the effort nationwide by fall. Spikes told Variety that he still hopes to bring the model to market once it is better explained to potential partners.

But even in the long run, that could be a hard sell.

"We're not going to let anybody outside set prices for us," Jack NyBlom, owner of Cameras Cinemas, told Variety. "Or this kind of program."


 
Posted by Jim Cassedy (Member # 4115) on 07-04-2011, 06:13 PM:
 
My boss tells me that he was contacted several months ago
about participating in this project. He thought the concept
sounded interesting but that the the guy who called him
sounded flakey. Long on promises, short on specific
buisness details. So my boss stopped returing their calls.
 




Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.3.1.2