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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 04-25-2019, 02:28 AM:

I'm just putting this info out there in case anyone wants to make a boxoffice sign or something stating that there are NO mid- or end-credits scenes in the new Avengers movie. Once the minor cast names appear onscreen, the major cast's autographs are shown along with their names (which is kind of cool) and then...that's it.

I expect more than one patron is going to sit through the whole credit roll and then go ... what??!

Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 04-25-2019, 04:22 AM:

Imagine we could go back to this time where a movie properly introduced itself at the beginning and was finished once the end-credits got rolling? [Wink]

Posted by Peter Foyster (Member # 9599) on 04-25-2019, 04:54 AM:

Imagine this time when a movie properly introduced itself and finished when "THE END" came on screen.

Posted by Chris Haller (Member # 9206) on 04-25-2019, 08:35 AM:

So. It sounds like they're pulling a Star Trek 6 and capping out this era of Marvel movies with signatures.

To me, the cast signatures at the end of ST6 was a meaningful wrap up to nearly 30 years with the original Enterprise crew. Its fairly emotional even when I dive into it to this day.

I wonder if I will feel the same way with Endgame. Probably not, unfortunately. There's just not been enough time to manifest the same connections.

Posted by Martin McCaffery (Member # 37) on 04-25-2019, 10:13 AM:

Gee, was hoping for a scene that teased an entire reboot and retcon to the whole series [Wink]

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 04-25-2019, 12:00 PM:

quote: Peter Foyster
Imagine this time when a movie properly introduced itself and finished when "THE END" came on screen.

I don't mind the scrolling end credits but I hate the current trend of not putting the title up front. (WHY?!!) It gives me the strange feeling that the movie still hasn't really started yet and I find it harder to settle into the story for some reason.

This movie has an opening title card but it's about 15 or 20 minutes in.

Also I should clarify for anybody who hasn't looked at it yet.... when I said "that's it" in my first post, I meant in terms of pictures on the screen. There is still the standard 13 or so minutes of credits after that.

Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 04-25-2019, 04:49 PM:

quote: Mike Blakesley
I don't mind the scrolling end credits but I hate the current trend of not putting the title up front. (WHY?!!) It gives me the strange feeling that the movie still hasn't really started yet and I find it harder to settle into the story for some reason.

It's one of those overused trends that made your movie feel "different" and therefore more important...

And I agree with you, it's just plain stupid. I remember Avatar (2009) putting it at the end of the movie, just before the credits... There might be a few others guilty of the same practice, but I can't come up with a different one at the moment.

Everything that happens before the main title card, at least for me, tends to feels like an introduction. Maybe, for a sequel it does make sense to have an introductory moment, where you recap how you got here, but that doesn't need to be 15 minutes...

Posted by Martin McCaffery (Member # 37) on 04-25-2019, 05:35 PM:

As I recall, Apocalypse Now (at least the 70mm version) did not have opening credits, which took lots of negotiating with the usual contracted entities. Somewhere along the way the credit contracts must have been altered to allow no credits until the end.

Posted by Stephan Shelley (Member # 8587) on 04-25-2019, 05:54 PM:

The original 70mm release of Apocalypse Now did not have any credits at the end either. I once ran a 35mm print of it as well that did not have either.

Posted by Mark Ogden (Member # 43) on 04-25-2019, 06:20 PM:

The original engagements of Apocalypse Now had an accompanying pre-printed program with the credits. As I recall, there was a credit sequence on a seperate reel that could be run when the programs ran out. Visually, it was the the titles superimposed over the jungle getting napalmed.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 04-25-2019, 06:21 PM:

The original 70mm release of Apocalypse Now was done as a unique roadshow style release. No credits on the front or tail of the film. However, audience members were given printed booklets with the film title, cast credits, etc.

End credits were attached to later re-releases of Apocalypse Now. I recall seeing one version with the credits listed on a black screen and another one where the credits were super-imposed over the footage of the Kurtz compound being blown to bits. Early home video releases had those end credits attached. The 2-disc Blu-ray of Apocalypse Now (which also contains the Hearts of Darkness documentary goes into detail about the release. It also explains that footage of the compound destruction and why they had to demolish it.

Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 04-26-2019, 03:30 AM:

quote: Martin McCaffery
As I recall, Apocalypse Now (at least the 70mm version) did not have opening credits, which took lots of negotiating with the usual contracted entities. Somewhere along the way the credit contracts must have been altered to allow no credits until the end.

I remember George Lucas actually paying a fine to the Directors Guild of America for not adhering to common opening credits for the Star Wars sequels under his watch.

There indeed are no credits in the opening scenes of any of those Star Wars movies, but at least they consistently put the name of the Episode at the very front of the movie.

I remember playing the 35mm Redux version of Apocalypse Now. As far as I remember, it indeed didn't have a title card or credits at the start, like the original. But it did have proper credits at the end. The first time the words Apocalypse Now appear is when they first approach Colonel Kurtz's outpost.

We used to play the movie with a short introduction speech, where the movie was properly introduced. I guess that somehow compensated for a missing title card at the beginning. [Wink]

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 04-26-2019, 06:35 AM:

The George Lucas credit thing was more complicated because the movie opened up with Lucasfilm Ltd. Some claimed that was a credit with his name and required the normal opening credits.

You can do a no-opening credit movie without violation (there are numerous ones, even today) but if you list one, then there are the required ones finishing with the director.

Oh, on Apocalypse Now, no 70mm print I ever ran had end credits. All 35mm prints had them (again, of all that I have run over the years).

Posted by Martin McCaffery (Member # 37) on 04-26-2019, 08:07 AM:

This may be apocryphal, I have never bothered to confirm it, but I was told that IATSE demanded their logo bug be in the credits, as per contract, so it is shown on a wall or something during the movie.

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 04-26-2019, 12:31 PM:

So last night, there were a handful of people who stayed throughout the credits and there was indeed a collective "Whaaaaa?!" from them when the screen lights came back up.

There IS, however, a soft-but-audible clanging sound over the ending Marvel logo, sounds like a hammer hitting an anvil or similar. Lots of online speculation on what that could mean. I told one lady I know (an uberfan) that there was no ending scenes, but "there is a sound," I said. She came out of the show just wide-eyed with excitement over what that could be. So... maybe it's best to let people discover for themselves. It's truly something for those die-hard fans, maybe the most cryptic Easter egg ever.

Posted by Martin McCaffery (Member # 37) on 04-26-2019, 04:34 PM:

Ah-Ha! Reboot/Retcon: The sound of Tony Stark pounding out the original Iron Man suit [evil]

Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 04-26-2019, 06:52 PM:

Or Thor's hammer landing in the next Marvel universe?

I'm just waiting for the big wormhole to open, sucking in all those "Marvel heroes" that didn't yet get enough screen time in the last universe. I mean, they haven't even made a Guardians of the Galaxy III yet.

For me, personally, I would love to shove all H-bombs we have up that same wormhole...

Posted by Bruce Cloutier (Member # 9615) on 04-27-2019, 07:47 AM:

We always sit through the credits maybe just out of respect for the effort that goes into one of these productions. I don't think we are expecting additional imagery or scenes and would be disappointed if there are none. Besides there are some hilarious names listed.

I do notice how patrons exit quickly as the credit roll starts. Seems a bit rude. In a lot of cases they do miss something potentially important if they care. Those are probably the same people that leave a NFL game in the 4th quarter presumably to beat the traffic and consequently potentially miss an exciting finish. Worse are those that leave a basketball game early.

Anyway, we've been the last to leave theaters. Now those of you who hit the cleaning lights before the credit roll finishes should be taken out back for a talk. ;-)

My wife tells me that there were like $135 tickets for 3-day Marvel marathon leading up to this picture. Seriously?

Posted by Martin McCaffery (Member # 37) on 04-27-2019, 08:35 AM:

I'd be satisfied if people would wait until the credits started to walk out. At the multiplexes here people start walking out the second they think the movie is about to end. It's almost comical when you are at a movie with several "endings."
I don't know why this happens, but it is annoying as hell. Yet another reason I wait for the crowds to die down before seeing a Major Motion Picture.

Posted by Frank Cox (Member # 6258) on 04-27-2019, 11:10 AM:

quote: Bruce Cloutier
My wife tells me that there were like $135 tickets for 3-day Marvel marathon leading up to this picture. Seriously?

Marvel Studios 22-Movie Marathon

quote:
Tuesday, April 23 - Thursday, April 25

See 22 films in the MCU library and the marathon ends with an early screening with Marvel Studios’ “Avengers: Endgame.” Hosted in Showcase Cinema de Lux Revere’s XPlus auditorium featuring fully powered recliners, the most advanced laser projection.
Enjoy Shower Breaks & Meal Breaks

Along with the films, Marathon ticket holders will be offered meal breaks & shower stations. Check out the schedule, reserve your seat and sit back and relax for a couple of days!

Tickets for the entire Marathon are $90

Posted by Martin McCaffery (Member # 37) on 04-27-2019, 12:06 PM:

Shower Stations?!!

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 04-27-2019, 10:19 PM:

quote: Martin McCaffery
I'd be satisfied if people would wait until the credits started to walk out.

We had a couple people walk out last night right after the last major "battle scene" ended, so they missed a full 15 or 20 minutes of the movie.

I don't understand the rush to leave early here in Small Town USA...considering the only difference is, it might take you all of 20 or 30 seconds longer to walk out of the theater with the crowd. People are dumb sometimes.

Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 05-12-2019, 07:39 AM:

We are now playing a trailer for the new SPIDERMAN movie at the end of every ENDGAME session. Tom Holland comes on at the beginning of the movie and explains why you didn't see the trailer as they didn't want to spoil the ENDGAME.

So now the waiters have something to wait for...

Posted by Jarod Reddig (Member # 6363) on 05-12-2019, 01:04 PM:

My wife and I always set thru credits no matter what the movie is. Its a good time to begin chatting about what you just seen. I get annoyed by the young workers who stand next to you with a broom as if to say, please leave so I can clean up. Firstly they should not be sending in the cleaners until the credits are done. And secondly, I always leave my seat and area the same way it was when I arrived, and I bus all my trash.

Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 05-12-2019, 08:13 PM:

I think it's fine to wait for the main part of the credits to end but once the credit roll starts, it's perfectly all right to leave.

Sometimes, there might be a supporting actor I thought I recognized and I'll stay through the credits until I find out. Maybe, once in a while, there is a piece of music I want to know the name/artist of. Sometimes, there might be a location I thought I recognized or something like that.

I usually stay until I find out what I want to know but, then, I'll gravitate toward the door and leave.

My girlfriend's father was a Hollywood producer. He almost always stayed until the end of the credits. Probably because he was making mental notes of people's names that he liked. (or didn't like.)

Besides, he probably recognized most of the names on those lists.

Posted by William Kucharski (Member # 7246) on 05-22-2019, 06:13 AM:

quote:
Imagine we could go back to this time where a movie properly introduced itself at the beginning and was finished once the end-credits got rolling? [Wink]

I've never considered a movie to be "over" until the projector stopped and the house lights came on.

I've stayed through and read the end credits at least since I was ten; it was when I became fully aware of directors, John Williams and the original Dolby System logo in the end credits of Star Wars.

Same for a few years ago when Pacific Title went under and most end title scrolls became the work of Scarlet Letters. [Big Grin]

quote: Randy Stankey
I think it's fine to wait for the main part of the credits to end but once the credit roll starts, it's perfectly all right to leave.

I actually consider it disrespectful to everyone that worked on the film. Personal preference of course, but when watching a film at the Paramount Studios screening room I was shocked that the audience actually got up and started leaving during the credits - because for most these were their friends and co-workers' names scrolling up the screen and showing just a modicum of respect would be nice (you can only get into a screening by being an invited guest of a Paramount employee or someone affiliated with the film's production.)

Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 05-22-2019, 08:58 PM:

I think it's a relative situation.

If you're in the business, yes, it is professional courtesy to stay for the credits. If you work in a theater, it is courteous to clear the theater so the ushers can get ready for the next show. Most everybody else is on a continuum, somewhere in between.

Most of us are somewhere in the middle where we can understand both extremes.

I learned something interesting from talking with my girlfriend's dad...

During the making of the movie, "The Eiger Sanction," one of the camera men died while filming a scene on the mountain.

The scene is where Clint Eastwood is on the mountain and one of his adversaries is above him and accidentally starts a rock slide. There is a POV shot where rocks are falling down, toward the camera. Filming this shot, a big rock came down and killed the camera man.

Many of the cast and crew wanted to call the whole movie off because of the guy's death but, finally, it was decided that the guy knew the risks and that cancelling production would be more disrespectful than continuing on.

The actual footage shot when the camera man died was, of course, cut out and destroyed but the rest of the film from the shot was kept in.

There is a brief line in the credits memorializing the incident but, if I hadn't spoken to somebody who was there, I wouldn't have known the whole story.

Yes, you can find some details of the incident on the Wikipedia page for the movie but most of the details are glossed over and Eastwood's role in the affair are glorified... but that's Clint Eastwood for ya'. [Wink]

Long story short... Yes, for that movie, the respectful thing to do is to stay for the credits. But, on the other hand, if you did stay, you probably wouldn't have known the significance of the line in the credits if you didn't have information from somebody on the inside.

Posted by William Kucharski (Member # 7246) on 05-25-2019, 05:16 PM:

quote: Randy Stankey
If you're in the business, yes, it is professional courtesy to stay for the credits. If you work in a theater, it is courteous to clear the theater so the ushers can get ready for the next show. Most everybody else is on a continuum, somewhere in between.

Don't get me started with that; IMHO it's just rude for the theater staff to enter the theater until after the credits are done.

Alamo Drafthouse used to be bad about that, but it seems they are finally building an extra ten minutes between shows into their schedules now.

Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 05-26-2019, 04:53 PM:

quote: William Kucharski
Don't get me started with that; IMHO it's just rude for the theater staff to enter the theater until after the credits are done.

Don't jump the gun, there. [Wink]

I didn't say that it was all right for ushers to barge in.

I meant that it is courteous for people to leave, sooner than later, so that ushers could do their jobs quicker and more efficiently in order to get ready for the next show in a timely manner.

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 05-26-2019, 04:57 PM:

If time is an issue, we let our people into the auditorium to start picking up trash, but they're under strict orders not to go into the same row as, or anywhere in front of, people who are still watching the credits, and they're not allowed to talk while picking up either.