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Posted by Joe Schmidt (Member # 822) on 05-04-2001, 03:44 AM:
 
That Wascally Wabbit. Thought everyone would enjoy this.

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Cartoon Network Drops an Anvil
On Plans to Show Bugs in Blackface

By SALLY BEATTY Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

It’s a side of Bugs Bunny many fans have never seen.

In “All This and Rabbit Stew,” Bugs distracts a black rabbit-hunter by rattling a pair of dice. In “Any Bonds Today?” he appears in blackface. In “Frigid Hare,” Bugs calls an ungainly, bucktoothed Eskimo a “big baboon.”

These and other racially charged cartoons were going to be included in a Bugs Bunny retrospective slated for next month on AOL Time Warner Inc.’s Cartoon Network. The annual “June Bugs” event is designed to boost ratings when kids are just out of school. The sensitive cartoons -- 12 in all -- would have given weight to Cartoon Network’s claim that this year’s Bugs Bunny marathon, originally intended to feature every Bugs cartoon ever created, will be a historic television event.

In Toon With the Times

Cartoon Network executives abruptly changed course last week. The retrospective will still run in June as scheduled. But it will be a dozen cartoons short of the promise. Although the 12 cartoons were to have been presented with prominent disclaimers, Cartoon Network executives became worried that they still would be seen as offensive.

The reversal shines a light on the early days of cartoons, when racially insensitive fare was common. Ethnic stereotypes were considered fair game, and animation, an art that depends on satire and edgy humor, fell in step with everyday prejudices. Icons such as Bugs Bunny also enlisted in the government’s propaganda efforts during World War II; the cartoons that emerged were in sync with the nation’s sensibilities at the time.

Cartoon Network’s flip-flop also offers an insight into the competing pressures inside AOL Time Warner’s enormous collection of media properties.

Warner Bros., which owns the wisecracking rabbit, oversees a substantial merchandising empire that depends on protecting Bugs’s image. Warner Bros. voiced its displeasure over the inclusion of the 12 cartoons, though it stopped short of a veto. A spokeswoman for Warner Bros. said it didn’t tell the Cartoon Network what to do, but she declined to comment further.
Politically Incorrect Rabbit

Unflattering depictions of blacks, American Indians, Japanese and Germans are laced throughout early Bugs Bunny cartoons. Three years after Bugs had his debut in 1938 in a theatrical cartoon called “Porky’s Hare Hunt,” he outsmarted a dimwitted Indian in “Hiawatha’s Rabbit Hunt.”

Bugs’s run-in with the black rabbit-hunter also was in theaters in 1941. In the cartoon, the pair disappear behind a bush to shoot craps. A 1942 cartoon featured Bugs Bunny imitating Al Jolson in full blackface. In a 1949 cartoon, Bugs sells tickets to “Uncle Tom’s Cabinet,” a spoof of Harriet Beecher Stowe’s antislavery novel “Uncle Tom’s Cabin.”

The Cartoon Network knew a truly inclusive Bugs retrospective could offend some viewers. But with competition for cartoon lovers on the increase, people there figured that broadcasting the dozen in contention would boost Cartoon Network’s claims to be “the world leader in animation.” And it would be impossible to document the whole history of Bugs Bunny without showing racial stereotypes.

To address the disturbing cartoon content and to ensure that kids wouldn’t be likely to see them, Cartoon Network planned to run the 12 out of chronological order and late at night. A disclaimer was to scroll across the bottom of the screen during the broadcast: “Cartoon Network does not endorse the use of racial slurs. These vintage cartoons are presented as representative of the time in which they were created and are presented for their historical value.”

“We wanted to please the animation community,” says Betty Cohen, Cartoon Network’s president.

But Cartoon Network’s plans were at odds with efforts by Warner Bros. to keep such images out of circulation. Warner Bros. began pulling Bugs Bunny cartoons featuring African-Americans from its TV packages in the late 1960s, sensitized by the civil-rights movement, says animation expert Jerry Beck. Cartoons featuring stereotyped American Indians disappeared from general viewing about five years ago. At about the same time, Warner Bros. withdrew a video compilation from Warner Bros. Studio Stores when it discovered that it contained a Bugs Bunny cartoon called “Bugs Nips the Nips,” made during World War II.

More recently, when filmmaker Spike Lee was making the film “Bamboozled,” which dealt extensively with black stereotypes in Hollywood, Warner Bros. turned down his request to include images of Bugs Bunny in blackface.
Treasure Trove

Warner Bros. lawyers repeatedly rebuffed Cartoon Network requests to screen sensitive Bugs Bunny cartoons, even for the network’s own internal purposes, says Mike Lazzo, Cartoon Network’s head of programming. Turner Broadcasting launched Cartoon Network in 1992, in part to take advantage of the pre-1948 Bugs Bunny cartoons that Ted Turner acquired when he bought the MGM film library in 1986.

Following the sale of Turner Broadcasting to Time Warner in 1996, Cartoon Network turned over rights to the cartoons to Warner Bros.

Warner Bros. and Turner executives later sparred over existing commitments made by Warner Bros. to sell some Bugs Bunny TV rights to Viacom Inc.’s Nickelodeon and Walt Disney Co.’s ABC. Warner Bros. was determined to honor its contracts; Turner wanted Warner Bros. to be more supportive of the Turner networks. Last September, Bugs Bunny rights held by Nickelodeon and ABC finally expired. That cleared the way for the licensing of the entire Bugs Bunny library to Cartoon Network, thus making possible a truly comprehensive broadcast.

Despite trumpeting the Bugs retrospective in February, Cartoon Network didn’t tell Warner Bros. that it would present the 12 cartoons until April 26. The disclosure came in the form of a phone call Ms. Cohen says she made to a Warner Bros. marketing executive. “He wasn’t thrilled about the stunt,” she recalls. “He said, ‘You sound like you are apologizing for this.’ “ Ms. Cohen says the executive left it up to her to decide what to do. “It was like, ‘Hey, it’s your network, you know what you’re doing.’ “

Asking the Boss

Ms. Cohen even spoke to Gerald Levin, AOL Time Warner’s chief executive. “Somebody told me that he’s always really been very concerned about these,” she says. “I just thought I better find out if that’s true. He left it up to us. He said, ‘Could you just look at them again?’ “ Ms. Cohen says. AOL Time Warner, speaking for Mr. Levin, declined to comment.

After much internal debate at Cartoon Network, Ms. Cohen says she decided a week ago Friday to yank the 12 cartoons. She says she acted after concluding that an audience could well be offended by them, even with a disclaimer.

“I don’t like sweeping things under the rug,” she adds. “I wanted to honor the intense interest that animation fans have for us, but I can’t deny we’re a mass medium.”
The Cartoon Network now says it plans to run a separate program about Bugs Bunny cartoons made during World War II, featuring clips of unflattering portrayals of Germans and Japanese. And the network is mulling yet another special featuring clips from all 12 cartoons that have been pulled from the Bugs retrospective.

Write to Sally Beatty at sally.beatty@wsj.com1

Copyright © 2001 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.


 


Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 05-04-2001, 12:11 PM:
 
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS SOCIETY?

I grew up with these cartoons. I am happy to say that I have no problems with any of them.

Why is it that people now are so sensitive about everything to the point that nobody can see it if it offends anybody?

So, when are they going do drop Elmer Fudd? He is offensive to white men, is he not?

How about Porky Pig? He offends people that are speech-challenged...

The INKI series of cartoons were funny. You will never see them again on TV. I have never thought that Inki was any thing more than an animated charactor. The same thing goes for all other "stereotypes" that are present in these and all other cartoons from the studios.

These cartoons are part of our history. This is nothing but censorship.

As it is, there are many WB cartoons that Turner runs that have certain scenes edited from them that are considered too violent. For WHO?
Kids today see cartoons on TV that are much worse than any of the ones made in the 1930's-1950's!

This subject has always irritated me and it is a slap in the face of all the normal people on the planet that can tell the difference between truth and satire.


 


Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 05-04-2001, 01:25 PM:
 
What I hate is when they change the cartoons. There's one "alteration" I've seen that always irritates me. I don't remember the name of the film, but the scene goes like this:

In the original, Yosemite Sam tosses a can into the air and shoots some holes in it while it's in the air. Then he challenges Bugs to do the same.

"Gee, that's pretty good....but I'll give it a try," says Bugs, whereupon he tosses the can in the air, takes aim, but instead of firing, he follows the can as it falls and doesn't pull the trigger until the can is right in front of Sam. BANG! Of course Sam's face is all blackened. "OOOOOHH, ya buck toothed galoot! Ya did that on purpose!"

The "altered version" starts out the same, except for the last part, Bugs shoots corks from his gun to plug the holes Sam shot in the can.

The first way is funny! The second way is just stupid!

And please don't start flaming me with anti-gun crap. As it happens, I'm kind of anti-gun myself. However, I understand the difference between a cartoon and real life, as I'm sure most kids do.

Remember that Road Runner cartoon "Chariots of Fur" that came out a few years ago? It was directed by Chuck Jones, but...it had no explosions!! What's up with that? A Road Runner cartoon just isn't complete without Wile E. getting blown up a few times!

I'm just glad that Cartoon Network shows as much Bugs (and other Looney Tunes) as they do. It sure is a lot better than the modern nonsense they show so much of.
 


Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 05-04-2001, 02:45 PM:
 
So I guess I'm one of those evil people, too, because my mother used to read me bedtime stories like , "Little Black Sambo".


 


Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 05-04-2001, 03:45 PM:
 
I remember when they used to show those same cartoons on daytime TV right after school, or in the mornings when I was a kid.

The thing is, putting African American people in a light like that is now considered unacceptable by society. However, when black people dress up in "white face" like Eddie Murphy does, it is not considered racist, but humorous instead. I even laugh at it and I am not offended that he is making fun of my "proud white race" or anything like that. Why it all works this way is beyond me. Oh, and black people call each other "Niggers", but if a white person even mentions the word in ANY context then he is a racist.

Eventually society will iron itself out, I hope.


 


Posted by Jesse Skeen (Member # 586) on 05-04-2001, 04:19 PM:
 
Darn, I hoped this meant they were going to get rid of the logo 'bug' in the corner of the screen. Just one of thousands of reasons why I don't have cable.
 
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 05-04-2001, 08:33 PM:
 
I'm not surprised that Warners didn't like the idea of Spike Lee using politically incorrect Looney Tunes footage in 'Bamboozled'. A few years ago a compilation called 'The Bad Bugs Bunny Show' was released over here and did amazing business for a few weeks until it was suddenly withdrawn following threats of legal action on the grounds of copyright violation. There is no such thing as 'fair use' or 'public domain' in the UK.

The cartoons in this compilation were all duped from 16mm prints held by a private collector, so the quality was very poor. My favourite was 'Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarves' (1943), a sendup of Uncle Walt's slushy moralising fare (the 'Shrek' of its day, I'd guess) in which the heroine is a singer in a Harlem nightclub.

According to a chapter in a book on Hollywood cartoons I went out and bought shortly after seeing this (Norman M. Klein, '7 Minutes - The Life and Death of the American Animated Cartoon', NY, Verso, 1992), Warners soon became very embarassed by it and even today would prefer to forget that the cartoon had ever been made.

On the war issue, I find it interesting that the anti-Japanese Looney Tunes have been brushed under the carpet and are very rarely seen, whilst the anti-Nazi ones are still shown regularly and can be found on several Warners' VHS and DVD releases.

And while the 'racist' cartoons are banned from TV and buried by the studios which made them, 'The Birth of a Nation' is available to buy on the shelf of my local video shop!
 


Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 05-05-2001, 03:54 AM:
 
Personally, I think it is a bunch of crap.

If they start censoring cartoons like Bugs Bunny, etc., they should put a pair of pants on Bugs Bunny, The Roadrunner, and Tweety Bird to keep the damn "Politically Correct" zealots happy.


 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 05-05-2001, 04:08 AM:
 
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Personally, I think it is a bunch of crap.

Simple and although not completely elequently said, straight to the point! What is the matter with people these days? It seems as if everything is considered racist and offensive, when in fact it has turned into exactly the opposite in over-worrying about offending someone. Just like Joe said, I've never seen a "white" comedian make "black" jokes, but "white" jokes made by "black" comedians is all too common. (And Joe is right, those "white" jokes are pretty damned funny!) We've got "Black History Month", but no "White History Month". Heck, there's "BET" (Black Entertainment Television) on cable and the dish, but no "WET". I'm quite certain if someone actually made a "WET" channel that the first word uttered by tens of thousands would be RACIST!!! I am not racist by any means, but people who constantly scream it are quite offensive. Geez, if only people would just lighten up a bit. It seems that the only people who are truly racist are the ones shouting it. (Die Hard 3 is a nice example.)

The whole "politically correct" thing has just gone on way too far though. If I have to wait thorugh one more "this call may be monitored for quality assurance" messages only to end up speaking to some rude moron...


 


Posted by Joe Schmidt (Member # 822) on 05-05-2001, 06:48 AM:
 
Thanks to all for these inspired comments! Many excellent arguments here. If I may, I will incorporate most of them, names omitted, in a letter to the lady who runs Cartoon Network.

Jesse, unfortunately the "bug" that appears in the lower right-hand corner is present in the main satellite feed out of Cartoon Network and will be seen whether you have cable or satellite for reception.

This article sent me scurrying to my SHORTS database to see if I had any of the proscribed cartoons, I do have "Hiawatha's Rabbit Hunt," but none of the others, regrettably; altho I do have approx. 3/4 of the 1004 Warner Bros. cartoons that were issued, along with many others and about 90% of the 3-Stooges shorts; all compiled on about 125 "SHORTS" tapes, all commersh edited. It will probably be impossible to ever get all 1004. The "bug" Jesse mentioned is not present as most of this was taped off-cable during the '80s... but as it all derived from 16mm tv prints ranging from new to beat-up, the quality is not as consistently good as today. I think the cartoon network has each cartoon on its own betacam cassette from a 35mm transfer so the quality today is better, that is, of what is shown.

As some of us may know, the 3-Stooges are being shown regularly on American Movie Classics [ch.254, DTV satellite] since Jan. last year and in transfers from 35mm prints. At one time I was beginning to despair that we'd never see the Stooges from anything but beat-up 16mm tv prints, but have compiled an additional some 20+ tapes of just Stooges. Have 100% of their full-length features, as far as I know.

Future project, if I get a tivo machine I'll start recording cartoons to HDD which later will enable very precise snipping of commersh and generate new master tapes, perhaps in Hi-8 format; but so many projects are backed up now I'm booked solid the next 20 Years!! For now it's always fun to put on 2 hours of cartoons & 3-Stooges even if it is scratchy! Infantile mind, you know.



 


Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 05-05-2001, 11:31 AM:
 
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In a 1949 cartoon, Bugs sells tickets to “Uncle Tom’s Cabinet,” a spoof of Harriet Beecher Stowe’s antislavery novel “Uncle Tom’s Cabin.”

Yes? What is wrong with that? They're saying it like he'd just been depicted molesting a child. So a book, now, can't even be mentioned in a joke?! All this hyper-sensitivity and overreaction to speech is what happens when wimps have too much power.

They're getting to be like Hitler.

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 05-05-2001, 01:13 PM:
 
I remember in grade school seeing the cartoon with the mention of "Uncle Tom's Cabinet." I had heard of, but not read, "Uncle Tom's Cabin." I didn't get offended...just thought it was a joke, a play on words. Why can't some of these PC-pushers be told, "LIGHTEN UP! IT'S A JOKE! GET A FREAKIN' LIFE!"
 
Posted by Rick McCluney (Member # 642) on 05-05-2001, 03:05 PM:
 
Do you notice the way the minority rules the majority these days. If one person is offended by something then it is done away with. And why is it that things that have been around for decades all of a sudden offend people. We just had a vote in MS over the state flag. People were offended by the Stars and Bars in the top left portion of the flag which has flown over this state since 1894. And what is really sad is that according to polls only 50 % of the black population wanted to change the flag, most of the big push for change came from business leaders who felt that the flag gave the state a bad image to the rest of the country. The impression people have of MS doesn't come from the flag, it comes from what they see in movies and on TV. Movies like "A Time to Kill", "Ghost of Mississippi", and "Mississippi Burning" paint us in a bad light. Alot of that is history but times have changed and the population of the state has become more cosmopolitan. I think that the majority has to put is foot down and stop giving in to the minority. Thankfully the legislators of this state put it up to a vote of the people, otherwise we would have a new flag flying over the capitol. Sorry to get of the Bugs thread but it kind of struck a nerve.


 


Posted by John Anastasio (Member # 607) on 05-05-2001, 03:37 PM:
 
Next thing you know, they'll be omitting all those scenes where Bugs shows up in drag. Come to think of it, there are a lot of scenes where Bugs plants a big kiss on Elmer Fudd....and he NEVER WEARS PANTS! We'd better call the blue-haired ladies right away and put a stop to all this before it ruins our children. Wait a minute...I don't have any children. Oh no! I was corrupted by cartoons!
 
Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 05-05-2001, 04:02 PM:
 
"The impression people have of MS doesn't come from the flag, it comes from what they see in movies and on TV. Movies like "A Time to Kill", "Ghost of Mississippi", and "Mississippi Burning" paint us in a bad light. "

Whassa matta Rick, can't take a joke?
 


Posted by Rick McCluney (Member # 642) on 05-05-2001, 04:34 PM:
 
Sure Jerry. My point was simply that the business leaders were placing the blame for the state's image on the flag when most people in this country probably could not tell you what the MS flag looks like. What most people know about MS is from what they see on the big screen and TV? Like I said except for "A Time to Kill", those movies portray historical events and MS does have a sad history when it come to civil rights, but that is in the past. Things are different now. You see just as much racism in other part of the country as you do here.


 


Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 05-06-2001, 12:14 PM:
 
After years of seeing "The Andy Griffith Show" on TV, I am still amazed how many people, upon hearing that I am from North Carolina, will ask me if I live anywhere near Mayberry, or Mt. Pilot. There is a Pilot Mountain near me, but there is no town by that name.

Lots of people that I have met over the years just assume that everybody here in NC is as dopey as Ernest T. Bass, or Barney Fife. Not everyone is that bad.

(AFAIK, the Griffith show was filmed at Desilu in Los Angeles, the lake exteriors were done nearby.)

This is nothing compared to what they are doing in MS, Georgia, SC, and others. The will of the few is prevailng over us all. It's gonna be dull around here when the zealots get through removing everything that irritates anybody anywhere.

Personally, I thought that Coal Black and the Sebben Dwarfs is an incredible cartoon. The jazz score was great. Bob Clampett and his crew went to several black establishments to get the ambiance that comes across in this film.

"Confederate Honey" is one cartoon that I was surprised to see on local TV long after the demise of Inki, and the others. Now, when you see it on Cartoon Network, it is heavily edited.


 


Posted by Dave Bird (Member # 490) on 05-06-2001, 03:19 PM:
 
Brother in law's uncle was from Mount Airy (spelling?) NC, he said they filmed some of the scenes of downtown "Mayberry" etc. there??????
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 05-06-2001, 04:53 PM:
 
Well with political correctness maybe it is time for a reissue of "Green Pastures"
 
Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 05-07-2001, 01:53 AM:
 
I drove my car up to the top of Pilot Mountain just last week. The view is really nice!

Driving UP is the easy part, believe it or not. When you go down make sure you put your car in first grear and ease her down gently. If you don't you will smoke your breaks! I know a guy who just drive his car UP that hill. When he came back down, he got to the bottom of the hill and both of his front wheels were smoking!


 


Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 05-08-2001, 11:23 AM:
 
IMHO, groups or nationalities that are the butt of those sexist, racist, or jingoistic films and cartoons have every right to be offended!

But rather than banning the showing of these old films, use them as an opportunity to educate and instill respect and tolerance for others. When they are shown, they should be introduced with an explanation and disclaimer, much like Turner Classic Movies' host Robert Osborne introduces each film on TCM. Put in the context of their times, these films show how attitudes have changed for the better, but we still have a long way to go.

For many years, the Nazi propaganda film "Triumph of the Will" was banned in the United States. IMHO, watching this film today clearly shows the power and evil of Hitler and his regime. It also shows the profound influence film can have on the unwary. A naive person watching Leni Riefenstahl's cunning masterpiece comes away admiring the Nazis. Seeing the film in the context of history, the evil is obvious. We can avoid repeating history only by KNOWING it.
Link to information about "Triumph of the Will"

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Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 05-08-2001, 12:57 PM:
 
Well said, John. I have to agree with everything you say. That said, and my loathing for censorship in any form aside, there is an important value in keeping such material out of the mainstream culture. Repetition and casual reference can create an attitude of acceptance. Germany banned the sale of any items relating to the 3rd Reich for just that reason.

Broadcast on a commercial station might not be the best way of allowing access to racist and offensive product. However, I must admit that I would get a chuckle out of seeing one of Comedy Central's obnoxious "Timmy!" Southpark bugs on "Triumph of the Will." I think it would be a bit of art worthy of Warhol, in that it would show the triumph of crass commercialism and idiotic cartoons over the strident attempts to reform mankind in the form of the "master race."



 


Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 05-08-2001, 05:38 PM:
 
After seeing Gordon's statements on "Green Pastures," has anybody seen the cartoon, "Clean Pastures" recently?

I've got a poor 16mm dupe of "Tokyo Jokio" that only mirrors the sensibilities of the times. It's not really a funny cartoon. It does little to promote the WB style.

Paramount's Popeye was in a cartoon called "You're a Sap, Mr. Jap" made around the same time that was a vastly better cartoon. Here again, just remember that we had been attacked about a year before this was made.
 


Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 05-18-2001, 05:22 AM:
 
Here are some of the cartoons in streaming video over the net. Judge for yourself.

Enjoy!
http://members.fortunecity.com/goopygeer1/

cheers Peter
 


Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 05-18-2001, 06:55 AM:
 
Hi again

I've had a chance to look at a couple of the cartoons now and I must admit this has changed my point of view slightly.

The cartoons are a mixture of sweetness and sourness. The sweetness of animation, comedy and color mixed with the sourness of an underlying distainful attitude towards persons of non-anglo-saxon background. I felt that the authors of some of the cartoons had a hatred of blacks so poor was the characterisations of them.

In particular, All This and Rabbit Stew perpetuates certain black stereotypes. I had not been aware that afro-americans were stereotyped as being unable to resist gambling however this cartoon showed me the stereotype prevailing at the time.

I think the cartoons should be kept out of the mainstream media but not banned entirely. I think there is merit and something to be learned from the study of these cartoons, but only in the context of a study of their faults.

I think that someone should make up a 3-4 hour documentary looking at the whole question of racial stereotyping and include the cartoons, amongst other examples, in full, within the documentary. This way people could still see the cartoons for what they are but be made aware that they are not acceptable by modern standards. Banning them would only give them a cult mystique and enhance their destructive tendancies.

cheers Peter


 


Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 05-18-2001, 07:08 AM:
 

Have a look at Coal Black in particular.

Artistically speaking it is an outstanding cartoon.

cheers Peter

 


Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 05-18-2001, 01:46 PM:
 
I find John P's comment about Riefenstahl and 'Triumph Des Willens' (that the 'unwary' might admire Hitler after watching it) interesting, for the simple reason that it was never intended to be shown to a politically neutral audience. It was conceived as a filmed record of the 1934 Nazi Party Congress and was only ever intended to be shown privately to Nazi party members. Furthermore, it had a very specific propaganda objective in mind: to address the issue of disunity between SA and SS factions within the Nazi party following the Rohm purge the previous year. Without having any of this historical background the long speeches delivered to camera (which probably make up all but about 20 minutes of the film's total length) make the film, IMHO, very tedious to sit through.

That Riefenstahl's work has become so univerally synonomous with Nazi propaganda can, IMHO, be put down to two factors: firstly, the fact that her skills as a self publicist were just as advanced as her talents at film-making, and secondly the fact that a group of German film historians immediately after the war tended to hold her responsible for whatever political gains the Nazi film propaganda programme might have achieved - see, for example, Siegfried Kracauer, 'From Caligari to Hitler' (Princeton UP, 1947), Lotte Eisner, 'L'Ecran Demoniaque' (Paris, 1966), not to mention R's autobiography 'Memorien' (Frankfurt-am-Main, 1996). For an slightly less sympathetic biog of R, see Audrey Salkeld, 'Leni Riefenstahl - a Life' (London, 1998).

They all missed the point. 'Triumph', together with Riefenstahl's other two major films from the 30s, 'Tag der Freiheit' (1935) and 'Olympische Spiele' (1938) did not perform very well at the box office, and were produced under Hitler's personal patronage and in the teeth of opposition from Goebbels, who believed strongly that documentaries and films with an 'instructional' tone were a big turn off.

Goebbels believed that political propaganda had to be contained within fictional feature films in order for a mass-audience to swallow it, so he promoted the careers of successful feature film directors such as Veit Harlan and Wolfgang Leibeneiner. He went for big budget action/adventure/special effects films which gently pushed the Nazi message. The Nazi film industry invested heavily in technology too, particularly the Agfa process of single-strip colour using dye-coupling emulsions. Features that pioneered this process included 'Immensee', (1943), 'Munchhausen' (1943) and 'Kolberg', (1945).

Getting back to the point about the impact of these films now, I really don't think that anyone in their right mind would think positively about Hitler following a viewing of 'Triumph des Willens'. When I was a final year history undergrad I even had trouble sitting through it to the end! Far more dangerous are the fiction films pushing Nazi ideas, for example 'Jud Suss' (1941) in which a wealthy Jewish businessman is portrayed as a fraudster and a rapist, or 'Ich Klage An' (1942) in which a doctor gives a lethal injection to his wife who is seriously, but not terminally ill.

None of this can really be compared with the Looney Tunes cartoons because they were not systematically produced according to a state agenda. Warners did not need the government to tell them to make a cartoon depicting Yamamoto in the electric chair - plain simple market forces got that message across. And as for Coal Black, Tom's mammy and the rest of them, they were characters that evoloved naturally from cultural stereotypes of the time rather than ones that were dictated by political leaders. It's a pity that studio and distribution bosses now obviously can't see the difference.

For more on Nazi entertainment films, see David Welch, 'Propaganda and the German Cinema' (Oxford, 1984) and Eric Rentschler, 'The Ministry of Illusion - Nazi Cinema and its Afterlife' (Berkeley, 1997).
 


Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 05-18-2001, 02:20 PM:
 
Leo:

Thanks for the background on these Nazi propaganda films. It's been a few years since I saw "Triumph of the Will" or "Olympiad", but I remember that they used cinematography and editing in a very powerful way to reinforce their message. In particular, I recall the "cutaway" scenes of the crowd and individual spectators during the droning speeches in "Triumph of the Will" as very powerful, almost making this film a "religious experience" (with Hitler as "god") than a political film. Yet, in "Olympiad", you could sense that the filmmakers betrayed a grudging admiration for Jesse Owens and some of the other non-Arian athletes.

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Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 05-18-2001, 09:21 PM:
 

If anyone wants to see a high quality version of CoaBlack & The Sebben Dwarfs a high quality video is available here for download.
http://www.rblords.com/top.php3

Bewarned its 80 odd megs.

Racism aside, it is a classic cartoon.

cheers Peter

cheers Peter
 


Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 05-19-2001, 01:33 PM:
 
THANK YOU!
I've been looking for a video of that for ages!

John: I agree that 'Triumph' and 'Olympia' have some very striking individual sequences, but, IMHO, anyone who wants to sit through the lot (especially Olympia, which is so long that an acetate print of it won't fit on a platter) is braver than me...

IMHO, one of the major issues that is stopping a sensible debate about just how influential (or otherwise) Riefenstahl's films were is that she's still alive (in her late 90s). She appears on TV documentaries from time to time insisting that her films were simply 'art' and that she was never an active supporter of Hitler and the Nazis. A few years ago a British university had to abandon a conference on her because she threatened to sue several of the speakers for slander. Whenever the National Film Theatre show their prints of 'Triumph' and 'Olympia' as part of the 360 Classic Films rep season, they have to pay royalties to her company (though I believe that the 'fair use' provisions of US copyright law prevent her from being able to make any money out of them in America).

Riefenstahl was never tried for war crimes. Veit Harlan was tried at Nuremberg on the grounds that 'Jud Suss' (which he wrote and directed) played a direct role in inciting the Nazi genocide programme. He was acquitted due to lack of evidence and Riefenstahl, who was being held by the French at the time, was subsequently released without charge. So she can quite justifyably claim that she never did anything wrong, with the result that even historians and academics have to watch their step whenever they write about her. My tutor at university had a book proposal for a biography rejected by several major publishers, who were scared stiff at the prospect of getting caught up in a high-profile lawsuit.

But she is coming up to 100, and you can't libel the dead...


 






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