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Posted by Jonathan Worthing (Member # 803) on 06-06-2001, 06:48 AM:
 
This is one for the installation engineers.
What has given you the most hassle during an
installation.

The one for me must be the time I was trying to set up the sound in a Belgium theatre. We put the notice on the door "DO NOT ENTER" in English & Belgium.

As we EQ'ed the room we noticed a spike.

What can it be, air ducts or our RTA up the spout.

On closer inspection we found the fault. It was German video installers drilling holes in the roof to fit there projector.

They insisted that they did not understand the notice & they were not going to move as the cinema owner wanted the video projector
inplace by the end of the day to show adverts.

as we all know the most important thing in a cimema is to be able show adverts.



 


Posted by Pete Naples (Member # 761) on 06-06-2001, 05:00 PM:
 
Hmmm where to start??

Booths / theatres that aren't finished when they are supposed to be.

Screens that arent't the right size so your picture doesn't fit. (The architect changed something and didn't find it necessary to inform you is the usual cause)

Electricians etc, 1. taking FOREVER to do anything 2. Always being one item short to complete something 3. Making as much mess as is possible 4. Leaving rubbish, tools EVERYWHERE.

Installing in a building with no heating working yet, in winter.

And yup, people making all sorts of noise whilst you are trying to EQ
 


Posted by Jonathan Worthing (Member # 803) on 06-07-2001, 06:44 AM:
 
Pete
Don't get me started on architect's

A architect was asked to design a 4 screen cinema in a old office building.

He went to a local cinema to take some measurements.

He could not get in to the projection room so he went in to the auditorium to take the measurements. The porthole from the auditorium was 6 ft from floor level.

When we arrived the first problem we came across was the Projection room floor was at the same level as the back of the auditorium & the porthole was 6 ft off the ground. So the builders had to build a stage to put the projector on.

The second problem was the screen, after we had been given the room dimensions the architect added two air ducts ether side of the screen. We had to cut 2 Ft out of the screen frame & mix & match the Lenses. Also we had to rap the screen round the frame. This was not on the one screen it was all of them.

He came to the opening day & was as pleased as punch about the cinema he had designed.

I myself would have been pleased to punch him & came very close.


 


Posted by Pete Naples (Member # 761) on 06-07-2001, 08:50 AM:
 
It never ceases to amaze me that for such a highl edcated, qualified and paid proffession, they can't get the simples things right.

If I made as many mistakes on the average job as the architect does, I doubt greatly I'd be doing any more jobs!
 


Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 06-07-2001, 09:27 AM:
 
Contractors that think platter are lazy susan tool holders
Ladders placed on platters
Unfinished floors and drywall
Air ducts in General mechanical contactors think they can put ducts where ever they please dispite what is on the drawings
electricians finishing off the wireing to the popcorn machine before starting the booth

 
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 06-07-2001, 09:56 AM:
 
A few of Gordon's "favorite things":

"Contractors that think platter are lazy susan tool holders"

- They also think they are in a Chinese restaurant by placing their food and drink there too.

"Ladders placed on platters"

- Ever wonder why the platter isn't level and prints get thrown?

"Unfinished floors and drywall"

- So that's where all that white powder comes from? Try to clean the print with a dry media cleaner and enjoy the scratches.

"Air ducts in General. Mechanical contactors think they can put ducts where ever they please despite what is on the drawings"

- Letting water (condensate) drip from the ducts onto the plattered film underneath, as the film flaps in the breeze.

"Electricians finishing off the wiring to the popcorn machine before starting the booth"

- They need something to snack on while they work.

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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 06-07-2001, 11:34 AM:
 
Electricians, Electricians Electricians! If only one knew what he was doing out there....
Suddenly when they figure out that you know what you are doing and can wire you become best buddies, get invited to cookouts at their homes, and to go fishing with them when they should be in the booth running conduit! Phew!
Mark @ GTS
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 06-07-2001, 01:36 PM:
 
I had some decorator come in and decide that the status panel that I had mounted very high in the lobby "was not appropriate decor for the lobby". As a result, the box was removed from the wall and all of the wires inside were cut. I found out about it that afternoon when I went in to start working again and wires that were touching had shorted in the automation system. They even proceeded to throw the status panel away and tucked the wires back into the wall!


 


Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 06-07-2001, 05:08 PM:
 
Another big Peave is Pre Wired, Factory Tested Consoles that have nasty wireing errors like DC leads backwards
 
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 06-08-2001, 12:38 AM:
 
Hey, guys, I have seen all of what you spoke of. But the funniest one I ever heard (but did not actually see) was when the engineer plopped six Strong Consoles in the booth and gave the wiring diagrams to the Electrical Contractor, and told them to "wire them up.

Well, the electrician did. But there was a terrible error. The consoles were not "spotted" yet. The electrician never bothered to ask if the consoles were supposed to be in position.

They were displaced at all weird angles, and sitting where they were plopped and uncrated from shipment.

After the wiring was completed, the raceway work did not allow the consoles to be spotted properly.

That has to be a real "Duhhhh" to say the least.

Has anyone ever heard of an equal or worse disaster in a new booth?

P.S. I visited that booth several months ago, and it actually was a nice booth. But why EVERY screen had a DTS, SDDS, and a CP-500 hard wired into it is beyond me. I guess the guy who built it had a lot of money to waste.


 


Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 06-08-2001, 10:25 PM:
 
Electricians...

As a prop-man friend from IA Local 720 used to say: "I was in this business 20 years before I realized 'f**king electrician' was two words."

Paul
Former stage electrician
"How tall's a stagehand?"
"Don't know. Never saw one standing up."

 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 06-08-2001, 11:22 PM:
 
Hey Paul G.T., what theater is that? I am surprised anyone put all 3 digital formats in every screen. That is the way theaters should be built!
 
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 06-08-2001, 11:50 PM:
 
Brad, I will respond to your question via personal email.
 
Posted by Rick Long (Member # 213) on 06-10-2001, 02:15 AM:
 
No doubt about it, projection installation is a different world.

Suited up, initially anyways, in a hard hat (which keeps getting knocked off every time you get in the unpleasant bending positions one is forced to assume during an installation), coupled with work-boots the weight of rocks, that put a resonance into your walk so you almost crash into walls the first couple of days or so, makes for an quite an experience.

Having done quite a few of these over the years, I would have to put (in no particular order) my pet peeves as follows;

Having the floor-surfacing not yet finished so ya gotta play chess with the equipment while they finish applying tile - if you're lucky enough to get tile.

Electricians (and other trades) who don't understand that we can't really get started until they finish their work, and electricians who don't correctly number the surround lines, if at all.

Constant dealing with various re-interpertations of the plans as to who is responsible for what work - eg. connecting speakers (we end up correcting it anyways - especially in bi-amped installations).

Trying to keep the consoles and sound-racks covered with plastic. (and, as Gord says, keep platters from being used to hold material to be hack-sawed).

Politics and competing installations resulting in your not getting your screens up till less than 24 hours before opening to the public, resulting in light-speed sound equalizations and aperture filing (which you know you're gonna wince at, on subsequent visits to the theatre).

Major last minute changes in booth-design or installation philosophy. ("What do you mean we open with THREE 70-MM features tommorrow?")

But I suppose the biggest gripe of all are the three questions asked time and time, again on every installation;
(1) "Exactly how do these things work?"
(2) "When ya gonna start the dirty movies?"
(3) "How much are these cameras worth?"


 


Posted by Rick Long (Member # 213) on 06-10-2001, 02:32 AM:
 
By the way, a tip which may prove helpful... Dave Moore of Cinematronix, recently mentioned to me that they had been in the habit of using 10-32 screws with allen-key heads to secure their amplifiers to the sound racks. As he put it, a potential theif might have a screw-driver, but probably would not have the correct allen-key required to remove the amplifiers.
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 06-10-2001, 08:45 AM:
 
Rick there is a canadian company called Span-are that speciallises in tamper proof screw.
At Ont Place we had a problem with a certain sound mixer that would come in and adjust the EQ of the MagnaTech and blow drivers
We ended up putting a pexiglass cover over the preamps with 4 different types of security screws to keep prying tweekers out
 
Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 06-10-2001, 09:02 AM:
 
On our racks we have using allen 10/32 stainless for the past fifteen years since it helps us to assemble racks in our shop quickly and theft is less.....
Our peeves at the job site is waiting for final power to actually test the equipment.... most of our locations we are on generator until the last moment since the electricians are too busy to work on the sub-station.
Customers with short memories....in the past... it took 60% more time to install equipment... this time has been cut down due to pre-wiring and packaging, but they still want you do this a little faster.....and please see if you can substitute and mix some oddball equipment at the last minute that the local service employee has used as a door stop in his shop.....Supply theft at job-sites, especially speaker wire(somebody's home) ...several missing rolls of wire reappeared after we announce that the wire had our company imprint and the cinema owner was the only customer....working in 105F/40.5C heat/95% humidity in an enclosed booth floor
and watching your insurance premiums go up on your workmen's comp...
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com

 
Posted by Michael Elam (Member # 788) on 06-12-2001, 07:00 PM:
 
There are so many, the electricans that are supposed to know everything and demand that they do all of the work, and then at the last minute decide they know nothing or they are so far behind elsewhere in the building they walk off and leave it to you. They refused to listen to any thing you say cause they know it all, Managers who want to hold meetings in auditoriums while you are trying to eq or cut plates, or the jerk who comes in with a drill, vaccum cleaner etc. It's amazing to me how the most important part to the theatre is always last minute, it is more important for slide projectors, popcorn machines and lobby to be first. But fail to be ready on that magical day and you are total crap, make the date and they could care less.
 
Posted by Trevor Bailey (Member # 75) on 06-12-2001, 07:33 PM:
 
Speaking of slide projectors...

The rep from the slide company comes in looking for the "projector guys" and says "I need to get these set up and tested today". To which you respond "Well, you better tell the electricians" pointing at the guys in the ceiling trying to remember which speaker wires comes from where...meanwhile, there isn't even a electrical trough mounted on the wall yet.

Installing "like new" equipment that either smokes or does nothing at all when power is applied.

Everthing Rick L. said including the quotes...and in addition:

"My home theata's betta dan dis."

I'm sure it is buddy.
 


Posted by Andy Muirhead (Member # 712) on 06-13-2001, 07:45 PM:
 
Jonathan

Sounds very much like you are describing my cinema, as i remember you and your team coming in to do our install. Yes the architect did an amazingly bad job the list could go on and on as you well know. For your information we still have no working masking or curtains in number one. I think the money ran out on the building refurbishment because i have spent the last the last 6 years working with sub-standard projection equipment (CFS platters, anyone?)

Also, the architect in question often comes in, where we take delight in imagining his film experience when the bingo from downstairs can be heard quite clearly during quiet moments in the film!

Best regards to all at Jack Roe

 


Posted by Dick Vaughan (Member # 540) on 06-14-2001, 03:16 AM:
 
Site contractors who poke freshly painted 3D screens to see if they are still wet.

People who hack mid range speakers out of Sonics cabinets with axes .

Having to carry 60lb boxes up 105 stairs because the lift is out of use for two days to have a picture screwed to the inside .

Contractors who use underseat plenums as rubbish dumps and toilets.

Carpet fitters who cut through the induction loop tape for the third time in two weeks.

People who turn off the site power when you are 40' up a screen tower.

Finding out that what you thought was a straight continuous 55' conduit run through the roof space actually has a 20' section missing in the middle just where you can't get to it and of course there's no draw wire.

Electricians who pull your speaker cable runs for you and leave either:

1) 3" tails sticking out of the wall at either end or

2) 40 feet at either end all tangled up in heap and covered in rubble and guess what none of the runs are identified!


 






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