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Greg Mueller
Amateur Astronomer, Machinist, Filmnut
http://www.muellersatomics.com/
 

Must be another MSIE thing. Works fine in Netscape.

Maybe it's just the groovy George Michael CD that's playing. Otherwise, I think it is pretty cool.

By the way, to this very day I am STILL getting emails from people wanting to know when the site will be back up...from that one day we went down A MONTH AGO!!! Sad how Internet Explorer caches pages like it does.

Moving this to Yak.

I tried messing around with the IE browser settings and there was nothing I could enable/disable to get it to work right. The advanced options are not very many. IE is obviously trying to interpret the Flash along with the script in a different way than intended. I double checked the Flash file, the script, and the HTML and there is nothing that can be changed in any of them because it is all correct already.

A review is in order.

Brad, a lot of people use IE. You should try to work the bugs out of both.
 

Also, I have been over and over this and no I will not waste my time rewriting code so that IE doesn't screw up the interpretation. Netscape code is straightforward and rock solid and is runnable on any browser. Writing code for an IE browser means that a LOT of people not using the IE browser will not be able to ...wait, why am I wasting my time with this yet again. Read the FAQ. You should have done this before participating here anyway. This is a non-negotiable discussion and my stance on the issue is made very clear. Read that page before you post again.

I was not suggesting that you write the code so that it only works with IE. The new navigation bar on the bottom is the only problem I have ever had with this site. I have always used IE. Every college I've been to uses IE. School is where I spend a good portion of my web-browsing time, so I have no choice to use IE. Most sites work with both.

Joe: So why does the "no bookmarking" page come up when I click one of the links on the new navigation bar?
 

Joe: I think it may have something to do with the way the Windows versions of IE carry document.referer info in page requests from embedded objects as opposed to regular page requests. The world may never know.

Brad: Sorry I opened this can o' worms.

That being said, many thanks to the people who did send me friendly and informative emails with the necessary specifics of their system needed to figure out where the problem lies. We'll get it fixed. In the meantime, there's always that bypass link on the main page to bring things back to the way they were. Joe, Scott and myself cannot possibly maintain computers of every vintage and version to troubleshoot these things before they go online and even if we did, none of us have that kind of time to spare.
 

You wanna see a browser that interprets HTML strict?
Up in the top corner, just beneath the "throbber" there is a little smiley face that tells you if the page you are on "strictly" conforms to the HTML standards. I have seen ONE site that gets a smile.
 

IE 6.0 does have a "fix" for that strictness thing. There is a tag (something like <!doctype> ) that should be placed on the first line of a file to specify what standard is to be followed when displaying the page. Unfortunately, that one improvement came with about 100 unrelated glitches which render the new version as useless as the last.

 

After three weeks, I got on, and noticed people had been posting all that time. So, it wasn't just a MS Explorer problem.

Regardless, I dislike MS Explorer; I much perfer Netscape. However, the point may be moot in a few years, since I don't think Netscape is going to be supported much longer. Also, MS has been successful in getting their IE on just every PC (for example, I have a CAD system that now requires IE if you want to use the "Help" files.)

From what I've read, MS actually has also written their own Internet Protocol. They are waiting for people to be totally sick of being hit with IP related hacks (denial of service, etc.,) and when people are desperate, MS will say; "We can help... just use our IP and everything will be fine ....!" Which is really slick, since MS themselves will make things worse by adding the ablity of XP to spoof IP addresses (the current "standard" install of Windows does not allow spoofing.)

I'm sorry the MS anti-trust thing didn't go through, because they need to be controlled. Stupid judge couldn't keep his mouth shut.
 

My only complaints, with both Netscape and Mozilla, is on occasion the new posts/no new posts icons don't show, it doesn't show the date/time of my last visit, and the unread icons show as read in the forums. These all happen at the same time which makes finding new post a bit harder.

Steven Gorsky
 

My ISP is Optimum; I had to go with them when @Home died. I didn't know that my ISP would cashe stuff.. I'm gonna look into that, because you're right: they shouldn't do that.

I saw Bob Marr on Wed.; he had the same problem then (although I see he's on now.) Don't know what his ISP or browser is, though.
 

Brad, I appologize. I did not inted to be "telling" you what to do with the site. I was merely offering a suggestion. Please forgive me if you thought it wasn't worded as such.

Adam: Maybe Joe already answere that question, but that doesn't mean I understood it. But that's ok. It's a bit over my head.

I'm sure that Joe will agree that proxy servers suck, especially when they're not set up properly.
 

There is absolutely no reason for bandwidth to cost even half as much as it does. It's price gouging. Hopefully the industry will settle and prices will come down... then we can do away with proxy cache altogether and everyone will have a connection that is at least 10 times faster than a 56k modem.

By the way, working or not, does everyone hear the sound when the button is clicked (clicking on the "Forums" or any other link in the Flash menu (not the regular one) should give you a "woosh" sound)? I can hear it on all of my computers and browsers, both PC and Mac. But I have heard that it doesn't make the sound on Netscape 4.6 (I use 4.77).

...Oh, and I like the way the links get bigger too, but I digress...

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Dr. Hibbert: Homer, this is your physician, Dr. Julius Hibbert. Can you tell us what it's like in there?

Homer: Um...did anyone see the movie "Tron"?
Hibbert: No.
Lisa: No.
Marge: No.
Bart: No.
Patty: No.
Ned: No.
Selma: No.
Frink: No.
Lovejoy: No.
Chief Wiggum: Yes. Er...I mean no.
 

I guess we'll keep the site simple and ugly for ya, folks!

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Greg Mueller
Amateur Astronomer, Machinist, Filmnut
http://www.muellersatomics.com/
 

Besides, if you wanted to get rid of simple and ugly, you'd have to take out many of the pictures of us film-tech'rs (myself included)!

[preparing to dodge]
 

Funny - you'd have thought that the browser capability in Outlook would just recycle some of the code from IE. Clearly not, as it seems to be reasonably bug-free. Maybe it's a case of Microsoft giving away the bug-ridden crap for free (or at a reduced price), but producing reliable stuff which you have to pay through the nose for. The price differential between Windows ME and W2K certainly supports that theory...