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Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 10-31-2001, 09:23 AM:
 
What happened to Cinematour.com ? All I can get is a message from Keytech Internet Services.
I need my Cinematour!

 
Posted by Scott D. Neff (Member # 185) on 10-31-2001, 09:36 AM:
 
I'm sure Adam will have it back up and running in no time. I think I got something like this when he took it down for the major re-vamping last year.

Hopefully he's just getting ready to put in a major update -- and then we can have many many more theatre tours to look at.

I for one, as soon as my new CPU shows up from Gateway (annny day now) am going to scan in about 25 rolls of film and send a LOT of California pics... as if California needs any more information to make it load slow.
 


Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 11-01-2001, 12:44 AM:
 
The site is back up now. Stupid ISP.

I do have a huge amount of new stuff for the site in my Inbox, but I must get my new theater opened first. Events started on Monday, and the public opening is on the 16th, just in time for Harry Potter. Yes, for those counting, that is three weeks of pre-insanity insanity!

And I'm about halfway through the stack of pix Ken sent me.

 


Posted by Scott D. Neff (Member # 185) on 11-01-2001, 04:59 PM:
 
You're lucky my house is a mess -- I can't even begin to FIND my scanner under all this stuff -- so you can rest easier without my oodles of pics in your in-box.

But let me tell you -- when my couches show up in two weeks -- and I can begin finding a point to cleaning up this house -- I'll get some good stuff sent over to you.

-Scott
 


Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 11-01-2002, 09:14 PM:
 
I haven't been able to reliably connect to cinematour for several days. Tried from work & home. Whassup Adam?? I WANT MY CINEMATOUR! (especially now that I have broadband!)


 


Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 11-01-2002, 10:45 PM:
 
The site is doing about 25 gig in bandwidth every month. And I think the server went down for part of a day the other day. I couldn't get my email or anything.

Anybody know PHP and MySQL? I really need to get this thing on a live database to ease up the bandwidth.

 


Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 11-14-2002, 05:58 PM:
 
Growing pains. I have arranged for another subdomain to be opened up, and I should have the site rearranged with this weekend's update.

A request: If anyone is using one of the monstrous state listing pages as a home page in your browser, please help me out with the bandwidth problem by using the main page (here) as your home page instead. Thanks!

If I ever get caught up on my inbox, I promise to get the database online. Hopefully, sometime this winter. Unless, of course, someone wants help me set it up for free.


 


Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 11-14-2002, 06:02 PM:
 
I tried to access Cinematour several times already and it's down.
 
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 11-14-2002, 06:16 PM:
 
Adam, I know you know this already, but those monstrous state listings (like California) are killing you. Just clicking on "California" results in a humongous download due to all the preview pics. There must be a better way...

 
Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 11-14-2002, 06:21 PM:
 
quote:
Anybody know PHP and MySQL? I really need to get this thing on a live database to ease up the bandwidth.

How will this ease up your bandwidth usage?

quote:
I have arranged for another subdomain to be opened up, and I should have the site rearranged with this weekend's update.

If you have used (or would change to) relative links or links starting from the domain base (links starting with a forward slash) you could just mirror the entire site (instead of trying to do a 'balanced re-organization') on both domains and then use a cgi script to do a quasi load balance by sending every other user to the sub-domain. This would work really good if you put the whole site in a single full page frame, but is not absolutely necessary.


You might also want to look into hosting at tera-byte dot com ( here ) they've been around for 'a long time'. I've used them for some stuff for the past few years and only have experienced 6 minutes of total downtime (at about 3:00am) for a backup power generation upgrade. Their website says $55/US for 50GB monthly.



 


Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 11-14-2002, 07:58 PM:
 
quote:
How will this ease up your bandwidth usage?

I shall use the state of California as an example. Currently, when a user loads the California page, it displays all 1876 theaters and 678 photos. If I use a live database, I can set it up to break the page into easy-to-chew 100 theater groups to display, with links to "jump to page x" or "jump to city x". The California page is about 1.5MB of html plus photos as it is now. That's where the bandwidth is to be saved.

It will also allow "staff" to sign in and see things not available to the general public without me having to produce (and upload) two different pages like I'm doing now.

As far as using relative links, I'm using DOS-type links now ( ../../whatever/blah. htm ) so that I can easily do all of my work on my PC without having to run Apache to view the pages while I'm working. I also work off of my laptop (very important on the road!) and the PC at work (don't tell my boss -- he thinks its corporate email! ), and occasionally produce a CD-ROM version of the entire site for "staff" that can be run on any PC.

When the site goes database, I can still use my current DOS-based crappy old database to do my work on, but export through a text file to the MySQL database online for the once-a-week update. I like the crappy old database because I am fluent in its odd scripting language and everything I use is a custom script. I don't have time to learn how to use a new database.

As you can see, my needs are kind of weird.
 


Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 11-17-2002, 12:04 AM:
 
Now here is gone

 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 11-17-2002, 02:59 AM:
 
I've been having problems with drive-ins. com off and on for about a year now. It comes and goes.
 
Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 11-17-2002, 03:04 AM:
 
If you are having problems with DNS, you might want to consider adding some DNS servers to your domain. www,everydns,net (here) offers a very reliable (hasn't gone down since they started) DNS service. Currently they have four servers (one over seas, two in San Diego, one somewhere else).


 


Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 11-17-2002, 08:15 AM:
 
Adam -- I'd be happy to run DNS for you; let me know what you need.
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 11-17-2002, 02:17 PM:
 
Oops. I meant that I've been having problems *getting to* drive-ins. com. I don't have anything to do with that site.

 
Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 11-17-2002, 02:30 PM:
 
Maybe you should.
 
Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 11-18-2002, 09:17 AM:
 
This is the 4th day straight that I can't get to drive-ins.com.
 
Posted by Ray Brown (Member # 1449) on 11-29-2002, 03:38 PM:
 
Tried to go to Cinematour today and got this screen.
 -
 
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 11-29-2002, 03:41 PM:
 
I believe Adam is doing a major overhaul of the site this weekend. It will be back, better than ever. [Cool]
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 11-29-2002, 06:51 PM:
 
That's what happens when I keep getting booted off of my own server due to high traffic. I locked everyone else out [evil] and spent a couple of hours populating the new database, which is online now. [Smile] If you still get that stupid redirect page now, you need to clear your disk cache and it will reload fine. At least with Internet Explorer, anyway.

Please let me know if I forgot to fix anything while I was in there.
 
Posted by Ray Brown (Member # 1449) on 11-29-2002, 07:48 PM:
 
Works great now, thanks! [thumbsup] So many theaters to explore, so little time.
 -
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 01-01-2003, 01:01 PM:
 
Well, it's been a month since I moved the US portion of the site to the new database. What a relief that was! There was a 40% increase in visits with a 28% decrease in bandwidth and an 80% decrease in timeouts.

code:
                            November 2002      December 2002
------------- -------------
Total Visits 74,059 103,796
Total Kilobytes 28,672,798 20,664,884
.
and most important:
.
Page Request Timeout 95,995 19,750
(from server throttling
due to high volume or
bad page requests)

Last night I converted the rest of the site to the new database.

Please let me know if you come across something that's not quite right, like a page that says New South Wales is in Canada.

I also fixed a bug that affected the proper grouping of neighborhoods in Los Angeles California and Auckland New Zealand and the boroughs in New York City.

And since I'm puking up numbers ...

code:
in the database:                 1999     2000     2001     2002
.
US Cinemas 11,141 12,494 19,864 21,977
US Photos (main pages) 1,052 1,691 2,927 4,093
US Tours 95 225 1,069 1,858
.
Canada Cinemas 286 524 1,861 1,890
Canada Photos (main) 2 34 42 59
Canada Tours 0 0 9 13
.
Australia Cinemas 0 214 283 294
Australia Photos (main) 0 21 45 49
Australia Tours 0 3 4 4
.
Rest of World Cinemas 453 2,250 3,676 5,087
Rest of World Photos (main) 17 79 395 553
Rest of World Tours 0 0 14 27
.
Overall Cinemas 11,880 15,482 25,670 29,249
Overall Photos (main) 1,071 1,825 3,409 4,754
Overall Tours 95 228 1,096 1,902

I can't find my backup CD-ROMs from 1995-1998, so those numbers aren't available right now. They're probably still in Oklahoma with all of my furniture. One of these days, I might actually move into my apartment!

Thanks to everyone who has contributed to my psychotic little hobby!
 
Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 01-01-2003, 06:32 PM:
 
Do you have any figures on who contributed the most photos?
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 01-01-2003, 09:09 PM:
 
I could easily count who has the most photos in the main listings, but the tours are not indexed that way.

Besides, I still have a whole CD-ROM of photos from Scott Neff that I haven't put in yet, so he probably wins.

Edit:

Here are the top 10 contributors of what is currently online (US only):

code:
Photos                       Tours
(main) (complete)
------ -------
1,118 *Adam Martin 578
450 Darren Snow 169
383 *Scott Neff 81
368 Bob Meza 152
131 *Scott Norwood 29
111 Roger Katz 66
87 *Ken Layton 68
82 Martin McCaffery 0
61 *Konrad Schiecke 171
43 David Pine 22
.
* Indicates Film-Tech member


 
Posted by Jack Ondracek (Member # 1466) on 01-02-2003, 07:40 PM:
 
Geez, Ken... only number 7 ? [evil]
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 01-02-2003, 08:40 PM:
 
Cough, cough, ahem...and where exactly does the Film-Tech Picture Warehouse fit in? Or did you forget to credit that one? [Wink]
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 01-02-2003, 09:05 PM:
 
I only have about 20 theaters with photos from the Film-Tech collection on the site, so it didn't make the top ten. Realistically, I'd rather have a film-tech member email me high-res photos and/or permission to use the photos anyway. That way, I can credit the photographer and archive the photos properly.

Film-Tech will forever have a listing on my links page and on the upcoming *cough* forums. [Smile] I know of several film-tech members who found their way here from Cinematour.
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 01-08-2003, 03:18 AM:
 
*cough* Photo on File *cough*
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 01-08-2003, 10:37 AM:
 
That means that I got a photo from somewhere, but I don't have permission to publish it. Now, if someone wanted to email me a photo (or a whole tour!) ... hint, hint!
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 01-24-2003, 01:08 AM:
 
Grrr [Mad] Before anyone asks, I don't know what the heck is going on right now. The site was fine two hours ago, but now it appears that my hosting account has been disabled.

A call to 24-hour tech services (after two tries at 24-hour live chat help that disconnected me) resulted in me being automatically hung up on because of "high demand on the tech services department ... thank you". High demand? It's 2am on the east coast! [fu] Eat me.

I know someone who's gonna be real pissy tomorrow morning. [Wink] (goes off to look for something chocolaty)
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 01-24-2003, 01:23 AM:
 
Need webhosting Adam?
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 01-24-2003, 09:07 AM:
 
Since the entire database is down, I've taken the main page down, too.

As it now says, "The Cinematour servers are receiving a major upgrade ... please check back in a few days and things should be back to normal (whatever that is!). Thanks for your patience."

A viable solution has been found and is being implemented. This change will position the site to blow you all out of your easy chairs. [Cool]
 
Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 01-24-2003, 10:46 AM:
 
Adam,

Do you serve martini's to members taking the tour? [Confused]

Adam, It's glued to my hand and it is always full.... [Smile]
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 01-24-2003, 11:13 AM:
 
Bob, you might want to set your maartini down for this one. Please use a coaster.
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 01-31-2003, 05:32 PM:
 
Cinematour.com should now be back online. Things have been moved around, so make sure you come in through the front door ... www.cinematour.com .

A big huge thanks to Brad, Daryl and Scott for getting me set up on the new server!

Drop me an email if something doesn't work.
 
Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 01-31-2003, 06:10 PM:
 
Adam, visited the site, quite impressive.
 
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 01-31-2003, 06:52 PM:
 
So, um, why hasn't everyone sent in pictures to Film-Tech and Cinematour? How hard is it to drive around to all the local theatres and take one lousy photo of the exterior for Cinematour? And don't all the people here have a collection of photos of every theatre/booth that they have worked in, which only need to be scanned and sent to Brad? [Smile]
 
Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 01-31-2003, 06:55 PM:
 
What is Cinematour? I'm too lazy to go check it out myself.

Do I get a free martini? At least some butter tarts? Malted Milk chocolate bars? I'm hungry... [Smile]
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 01-31-2003, 09:21 PM:
 
Cinematour accepts interior photos, too! (Hence the name Cinematour). [Smile]
 
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 01-31-2003, 09:29 PM:
 
quote:
So, um, why hasn't everyone sent in pictures to Film-Tech and Cinematour? How hard is it to drive around to all the local theatres and take one lousy photo of the exterior for Cinematour?
Heh. I did exactly that last spring for a bunch of small-town Oregon theaters. It was actually kind of fun. One of these days I'll drive up to Salem and snap some photos there...
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 02-08-2003, 11:33 PM:
 
Now that things seem to be running smoothly on our phat new Film-Tech server, I've decided to throw a wrench in the gears ...

The Cinematour Forum is now in the testing phase and is to be rolled out to the public shortly.

Film-Tech members are invited to preview our discussion categories and start participating immediately! You will need to register separately for the new forum, as it is completely separate from the Film-Tech Forums (not even on the same server).

Click here to enter

Another big special thanks to Brad and Daryl for technical support getting this up and running!
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 09-19-2003, 06:27 PM:
 
WHY, OH WHY, DOES DRIVE-INS.COM SUCK SO MUCH?

I swear their site works for the first two minutes and then nothing! One successful search and now I can't get anything to come up on the damn screen. [Mad]
 
Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 09-20-2003, 12:30 AM:
 
I know what you mean. I get frustrated with it sometimes, too.
 
Posted by Roger Katz (Member # 1625) on 09-20-2003, 12:40 AM:
 
Plus drive-ins.com steals my photos (albeit unintentionally because someone sent them to them) that I had posted on another site. When I contacted them they then only credited me when you actually click on the photo in the fine print. The main credit still goes to the dope who stole and submitted them, and now I get no reply from the losers who run drive-ins.com anymore when I bring this to their attention.
 
Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 09-20-2003, 02:05 AM:
 
Someone by the name of Jeff Edling has swiped some of my drive-in theater pictures from other sites and posted them at drive-ins.com Grrrrr! [Mad]
 
Posted by Roger Katz (Member # 1625) on 09-20-2003, 09:35 AM:
 
Yeah. That "Jeff Edling" is the same guy who swiped my photos and posted them there too!
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 09-22-2003, 01:44 AM:
 
Roger:
In the USA, copyright stays with the photographer, unless specifically transferred via a contract or other agreement. Not a lot of folks know this. The copyright for folks' wedding pictures stays with their photographer, & they can't publish them without his permission! Leo may remember this being brought up in an archivists' forum. If you took the photographs, the copyright is still yours, & you can sue! Wouldn't you like all his measly assets? Remember, he doesn't just have to stop, you sue because he did wrong in the first place.

Exceptions are photos which have fallen out of copyright, of course, or promotional photographs made before a certain date (in the 50s, I think). For those photos, the copyright is with the *owner* of the physical photograph. And of course, a new picture made by modifying a PD photo becomes the property of the person who did the work; so somebody who cleans up a PD photo holds the copyright to that cleaned-up picture.

The doofi over at Cinema Treasures are a bigger pack of clucks. Their "contributors" do their "research" by paraphrasing from other folks websites, get it wrong, & the site operators don't fix it when they're told where they've got it wrong. 60% of that stuff on Cinema Treasures is inaccurate.

(edit, addenda)

quote:
This is likely off-topic for most, as it deals with still photos, but I'm hoping someone may have some insight.

My sister has been sorting through boxes of family photos, and getting copies made for various siblings. However, photo shops have refused to make copies of what they deem "professional" photos -- weddings, school graduations, and a few family portraits. They claim variously that for either 50 or 100 years, it is illegal to make copies of these. (She is in Rochester, NY, and claims are that this is a state law.) This despite the fact that most of the photographers and photo studios are no longer in business; and those that are no longer have negatives on file.

Has anyone heard of such a law, or run into such a situation?

quote:
Not sure what the term of copyright is in NY, but in most places it will be for 70 years after the death of the originator or artist/photographer. It makes no difference that he is not in business anymore or that the negatives have vanished. He/she was the originator and has the right to this protection.

There is also the fact that the commissioner of the photographs may be the copyright owner, but I think that you will find, in general, that the law still applies. No doubt someone from that side of the pond will be more specific.

Argyll, Scotland

quote:
I'm surprised that wedding photos, etc. are a copyright issue for a photographer as I would think this service was "work for hire" and ownership rests with the family who paid for the services. (A DP of a motion picture doesn't hold the rights to the film.)
quote:
Most portrait and wedding photographs are not done as work for hire and the assumption is that "it's copyrighted when you push the button" in the U.S.
quote:
I think you will find that far from common courtesy there is a very definite law relating to copyright both here and in the USA.
Unauthorized Copy negs are generally an infringement of this right, whether or not they were taken in Rochester.

quote:
I am a little confused by this statement - if you have a studio portrait, or a series of wedding photographs taken by a professional photographer, how is this not a "job for hire", and why should this be any different than say the work that a DP does on a movie? Is there separate legislation for
professional photographers? And if so, why hasn't the Kobal collection (for instance) been sued out of business by all the individual photographers?
I'm sure they (and Corbis etc) are not just using the original negs...

Does anyone actually have any specifics on this either in the UK or in the US?

quote:
For legal questions relating to still photography, check the website of ASMP (American Society of Media Photographers) and APA (Advertising Photographers of America). Historically, these two international organizations have set the standard and laws for issues such as "work for hire", privacy, copyrights and related. And yes, based on the number of groundbreaking cases in these areas, separate legislation does now exist due to the persistent efforts of these professional groups. The ASMP book "Professional Business Practices in Photography", first published in 1982 (as well as other related topics such as Stock Photography, and business forms) set rules and contracts in the areas of editorial, advertising, stock, etc. that are still in use today. We photographers, have always appreciated the excellent work of ASMP and APA in protecting our rights and legal claims, while establishing order in a sometimes chaotic profession.

 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 09-22-2003, 03:05 AM:
 
This Jeff Edling character also swiped a photo of the Solano Drive-in in Concord CA from Cinematour. It was brought to my attention by the photographer.

I emailed Jennifer Sherer and told her that the photographer was willing to share additional photos as long as proper credit was made.

I received this reply on January 26, 2003:

quote:
Hi Adam. We will of course update the photo credit; thanks for acquiring permission on our behalf. We'd love to have a higher resolution version, if it's not too much trouble. We unfortunately have no way of knowing what the true source is for a photo submission; we rely on the person submitting it to give credit where credit is due. We are working on making our policy on this more prominent on the site.

We would of course welcome contributions from any of your folks; we gladly share any photos that Kipp or myself have taken. We have no way to do that as one batch though... let us know which theater's images or specific theatre and we'll send them in a zip file.

Thanks for calling our attention to the miscredit.

The credit has yet to be changed. Fat chance of me sending high-resolution copies of the rest of the drive-in photos in this particularly large collection.

I probably spend 80 hours a week working on trying to keep up with email submissions, on top of my full-time job and any spare time spent doing research. Issues like miscredited photos on Cinematour always get put at the top of the list.

This is the first I've heard of any other photos being posted elsewhere. I suppose it's because I hardly ever use drive-ins.com because it never works. And, honestly, with past experiences, I'm not sure anything I can do would accomplish anything. [Mad]
 




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