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Posted by Sean M. Grimes (Member # 445) on 11-13-2001, 07:13 PM:
For such a long time I have been looking for a completely independent browser that is standards compliant and will fool microsoft's passport/hotmail into thinking that you are running Internet Explorer - I am finally in heaven. The last version of opera (5.12) was pretty decent except having to turn java off to acces Film-Tech to get around the no bookmarking error, but the new Beta Release has been running extremely well now for the past couple of days, I am finally finally content to surf. For anyone who is running just about any platform go to www.Opera.com and download the latest version. The free version does have a banner ad, but I am telling you folks, Register and never look back to Netscape or IE again... 
And did I mention how fast and low resource it is? Did I mention that it is basically completely customizable? Did I mention the easy back foward commands just by using special mouse clicks? Did I mention to mention how much it kicks a$$? 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 11-14-2001, 03:33 AM:
How does it handle Flash and Quicktime plugins and the like? How much does it cost?[av=m]
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Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 11-14-2001, 09:02 AM:
Opera is free if you can live with some banner adds and about 30 buck to buy it
It is the only 100% HTML compliant browser according to the developers web site
I am still waiting for the OS2 port of it they keep promising.
I use it on the lap top since it isn't a memory hog
Posted by Gerard S. Cohen (Member # 994) on 11-18-2001, 10:01 PM:
Does Opera 6 support USENET?
(My main complaint with MSN is that I can't read newsgroups.)
Posted by Sean M. Grimes (Member # 445) on 11-19-2001, 03:48 AM:
It handels usenet well, and it reneders flash and quicktime just fine. Overall a very good browser. One of the only programs that will get a thumbs up from me.
Posted by Dave Macaulay (Member # 813) on 11-20-2001, 09:45 PM:
Excellent! I've been using 5.12 for a while but the hotlink lockout problem kept me using IE6 most of the time. I just came here with 6.0 successfully.
The tabbed window feature is great - soon to be copied by Netscape.
I haven't tried the windows-on-desktop style yet but it looks interesting. Where will the ads be?
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 11-20-2001, 10:21 PM:
IE6???? No no no no no no no no no!!!!![av=m]
IE6 doesn't allow for "Netscape style" plug-ins, which are the format of most plug-ins in the known universe. Yes, even alien worlds use "Netscape style" plug-ins for their internet browsers! Because of this, IE6 cannot handle Quicktime (my main beef) and lots and lots of other things. You might as well use a text browser like Lynx if you are going to give up all the frills.
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Posted by Sean M. Grimes (Member # 445) on 11-21-2001, 04:18 AM:
Well I guess to answer your question directly Opera handles plugins exactly like Netscape. I really dont like the windows on desktop option... good implemtation just not really useful to me.
Posted by Sean M. Grimes (Member # 445) on 12-25-2001, 07:18 AM:
and not to beat the Opera horse to death. Here is a page that honestly compares Mozilla and I.E. 5.whatever side by side click here . Converts!!! Where are my converts? 
Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 12-26-2001, 03:50 PM:
Well I tried Opera 6 at my computer yeterday and I was impressed. It is pretty good.Now I am at the Gateway store killing time. I am trying out Windows XP and IE6. I don't know what their connection is but everything is moving very slowly compaired to Opera 6 and my DSL back at the office.
I am staring at an 18 inch LCD panel that looks pretty cool.
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 12-26-2001, 05:49 PM:
Have I mentioned yet that IE6 sucks because it uses proprietary plug-ins for some unknown reason? Well I'll mention it the next time someone brings up IE6 as well![av=m]
[ 04-11-2004, 10:02 PM: Message edited by: Joe Redifer ]
Posted by Aldo Baez (Member # 790) on 12-26-2001, 09:11 PM:
I downloaded opera and uninstalled it about after a week, my problem is that I go to alot of sites that make me login. Film-Tech is one, and various studio sites plus wherever else you need to login, and I can never remember all my usernames and passwords. Yes I could have the same username and password everywhere but that would just pose a security risk. I tried to have opera remember all the usernames and passwords, but it wouldn't most of the time. IE is still the best at remembering them all thats why I use it. Pretty much the only reason I use it.
Posted by Dennis Atkinson (Member # 345) on 12-27-2001, 06:16 PM:
Passwords are the only problem Opera has. Not a problem here.
It took someone from Opera 3 days to reply to a complaint/question.
One of those was Christmas. They know I have not paid for the browser and still gave the right answer the first time.Get that kind of service from MicroSloth lately?
Dennis
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 12-27-2001, 07:05 PM:
Having your browser remember your username and password is a _huge_ security risk. As is MSIE in general. There's a newly (last week or so) reported bug that lets a web site author use a bit of malicious Javascript to read any file on an MSIE user's computer. As far as I know, MS hasn't even acknowledge this. (Check the Bugtraq list archives for the details.) This is in addition to the Content-Type: header vulnerability which came up recently and for which MS has released a halfway-effective patch (which is worse than useless, since people will install it and think that they are safe.)
Posted by Dennis Atkinson (Member # 345) on 01-17-2002, 05:50 PM:
THe more I use it, the more I like Opera.
Well worth the money!Dennis
Posted by Oscar Neundorfer (Member # 458) on 01-24-2002, 10:01 AM:
Just downloaded Opera 6.0, and after 5 minutes of use, it is now my browser of choice!! And I have had practically NO time to begin to "explore" all its features. Unless I find some glaring problem, I will not be using Navigator or Explorer again. Don't really KNOW if it is faster, but it sure as heck seems like it.Installation was a snap and I did not even have to re-start windows as so many installs make you do. It was running within a few minutes of starting the install.
WARNING: DON'T try this browser if you are really attached to your old browser.
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Oscar Neundorfer
Chief Engineer
SMART Devices, Inc.
oscar@smartdev.com
Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 01-24-2002, 10:14 AM:
Is there any problem with transferring bookmarks from Netscape?------------------
Greg Mueller
Amateur Astronomer, Machinist, Filmnut
http://www.muellersatomics.com/
Posted by Sean M. Grimes (Member # 445) on 01-24-2002, 04:18 PM:
It is very very easy to import IE and Netscape bookmarks. opera faq this shows you how to do alot of very useful things with it.
Posted by Joe Beres (Member # 678) on 01-30-2002, 04:56 PM:
Jeez, it took me long enough. I finally downloaded Opera. WOW. I am hooked. It is incredibly fast. I am really impressed. Sean, since you are the film-tech opera guru, can you tell me why my Import option in the file menu is grayed out? I too want to import my netscape bookmarks.
Posted by Joe Beres (Member # 678) on 01-30-2002, 04:59 PM:
i have one other question for the Opera users out there. Does the "New Posts" feature work for you with Opera? If not, that might be one of the few things I miss from the other browsers, but it's a really little thing. Everyone should give it a shot.
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 01-30-2002, 06:54 PM:
yes in preferences check all ways refress not to use the cache
Posted by Sean M. Grimes (Member # 445) on 01-31-2002, 07:31 PM:
Joe,Are all of your options greyed out in the import menu or just the bookmark option, also which build of Netscape are you using?
Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 04-11-2004, 09:07 PM:
It has been 801 days since the last post.
Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 04-11-2004, 09:07 PM:
Okay,
I'm now a registered user of Opera 6.xx on both Windows and Mac platforms...I was sick and tired of the hassles of using IE in the windows world and it was cheap to register on both platforms...
Opera 6.03 on the MAC is my problem...I'm running OS 9.2 on an iMac DV SE and when posting to the forums here on FT...it does not post any Line-Feeds so all of my paragraphs look jammed together.
As such, I'm back to IE for the Mac for the moment.
Any suggestions?
Steve
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 04-11-2004, 10:01 PM:
Yes. Upgrade to OS X and get Mozilla Firebird, Camino, Safari, and many other browsers that are 10 times better.[av=m]
Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 04-12-2004, 10:40 AM:
I use Firebird almost all the time. Every once in a great while, I find one page that won't render correctly, or one company with an idiot web designer who insists that I use IE, or I can't get in to their site. But other than that, Firebird works like a champ. Flash, Java, etc all work fine for me.
Posted by David M. Dorn (Member # 2298) on 04-13-2004, 04:11 PM:
Opera for Mac users.
A beta test version of Opera 7.5 is available. Go the the Opera Mac forum. The download is listed there.
One tip...it will open with a new panel which shows bookmarks, history, etc. links. Just hit F4 to get to the display as you see on 6.03.
It also seems to have fixed the post format problem I was having in 6.03.
This new version seem verrrrrry fasssst ![[beer]](graemlins/beer.gif)
![[thumbsup]](graemlins/thumbsup.gif)
Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 04-13-2004, 04:41 PM:
Thanks!
I'll give it a whirl!
Steve
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 09-24-2004, 01:29 PM:
Okay, I got Opera 7.54, running on XP Pro. Why am I supposed to be happy?
Actually, I got tired of IE getting screwed up. The last straw was a display problem that made certain lines of text on certain webpages appear really bold and darned near unreadable. None of that crap with Opera. I've got it pretty well layed out like I like it, and NO popups have made it through.
The only drawback is, the dropdown menu items on my employer's website don't work with it (they might, if it's something I just need to switch on... still learning) but hey, a lot of that stuff is probably what makes IE vulnerable to begin with, so I'm not complaining. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 09-24-2004, 01:33 PM:
Steve, Opera 6 works fine and dandy on OSX.
Tim, I've found if a website works on Opera, it will work on 99.9% of all browsers, so in my opinion ALL websites should be tested with it. Once you start using the BACK/FORWARD mouse gestures, you won't be able to use another browser.
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 09-24-2004, 02:02 PM:
Thanks, Brad. That's encouraging to hear. I got the version with Java, not sure why, though. Is Java used all that much? It also came with "Java Web Start", which I have no idea what that's for. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
I'm really a no-nonsense, bare-bones kind of user, and Opera appeals to me on the surface. Not sure about the Java stuff, though... seems like a lot of fluff.
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 09-24-2004, 02:14 PM:
Java is nice for some fancy web-browser functions. But some spyware browser hijacks like Cool Web Search can install themselves into your machine using Javascript code. Up to date anti-viral apps can block a lot of them though.
Posted by David Buckley (Member # 2600) on 09-24-2004, 03:31 PM:
Can I add another vote for FireFox
I was (until just a few daya ago) a comitted IE user purely because the several other browsers including Opera and NetScape, usually many releases over, just didnt "feel" right.
Firefox "feels" right.
I say graphical, 'cos I still use lynx as well...
Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 09-24-2004, 04:06 PM:
Ditto. I've tried deploying Opera multiple times (different versions) across hundreds of computers and have never been happy. Some machines it will work fine on, others it will crash / act up / whatever like crazy. It also appears that either the developers all got pissed drunk before reading relevant standards or they never read them at all.
FireFox on the other hand kicks much ass and I haven't had any problems on the upwards of 200 systems I've deployed it on. If you want mouse gestures, write a plug-in. If you don't want to write a plug-in just wait a bit, there'll be one out shortly.
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 09-24-2004, 06:00 PM:
Think I'm going to give that one a try, my wife's been suggesting it, too.
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 10-31-2004, 01:26 PM:
UPDATE: Yep! Running Firefox now... it's the one. I agree with David's assessment that it feels right.
Going to give it the acid test over the next couple of weeks, and if there are no problems, I'll be deleting IE for good.
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 10-31-2004, 01:34 PM:
I ave been trying firefox for a week now and am hapy the only bug I have and it is probably something I did is I can't get the AltenaTiff plugin to work it insists on using QuickTime plugin to vew any Tiff files and Altena is the only one that will display the Patent office tiff files
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-31-2004, 03:19 PM:
I typically use Photoshop viewing TIFFs, although a $600 app like that isn't a realistic choice for most people.
I've been using Firefox for a couple months now and have no complaints. I ditched Internet Explorer several months ago in favor of Mozilla and switched to Firefox. In all that time I have had next to nothing showing up in anti-spyware scans from both AdAware 6 and Spy Bot Search and Destroy 1.3. I also installed the Mozilla Thunderbird e-mail client. It runs a little slower than Outlook Express but it is a whole lot safer to use. All of the computers at our office now have Firefox and Thunderbird set at the default browsers and e-mail clients.
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 10-31-2004, 04:16 PM:
That's good news, Bobby. I saw the Thunderbird email client on the Mozilla site, but I've never used anything like that for email before (or Outlook). I've only ever used Eudora.
Posted by Ron Yost (Member # 1850) on 10-31-2004, 05:53 PM:
Gordon,
I don't think it's something you did. I can't get the AlternaTIFF plug to work with Firefox, either. For those that don't know, the patent images will not open at all online without having the proper plugin installed (the plug is free, tho). They're not 'ordinary' TIFF images, though I don't know exactly what's different about them.
To quote the USPTO info page: "The plug-in you use cannot be just any TIFF image plug-in. It must be able to specifically display TIFF files using ITU T.6 or CCITT Group 4 (G4) compression."
More info, including where to get the free plugin, at: Patent Full-Page Images info
Even when one saves them to disc it's a pain that Photoshop (CS) doesn't map them properly, without changing a non-sticky setting for each and every image loaded (as far as I can determine) .. but lowly Windows Picture Viewer does.
The setting to map them correctly in Photoshop CS is: image/pixel aspect ratio/square
Otherwise, PS displays them like a squeezed anamorphic image. Too narrow.
Ron Yost
Posted by Jeff Akin (Member # 1198) on 11-01-2004, 02:56 AM:
I've been a pretty die hard Safari user for quite some time now.
I'm getting Firefox right now to give it a shot.
The less sheeple that use M$ Internet Exploder, the better!
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 11-01-2004, 06:37 PM:
