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Posted by Colin Wiseley (Member # 247) on 11-19-2001, 02:28 PM:
Kabul Residents Swarm Cinema 
I wonder if they were showing Harry Potter 
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Colin Wiseley
Lyric Theatre
Blacksburg, VA
www.thelyric.com
Posted by Dave Bird (Member # 490) on 11-19-2001, 02:40 PM:
Beat me by about a minute on that post Colin! Brad, getting back to the gun theme, I believe they're not only encouraged but recommended at this theatre! 
Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 11-19-2001, 02:42 PM:
Colin, 
took all of the jokes in the forum and and converted it onto film and sent it to the Cimema in Kabul. These people needed a laugh. 
Posted by Bernard Tonks (Member # 809) on 11-19-2001, 04:33 PM:
Channel 4 News in the UK showed you a shot of the projectionist with a very long beard and his projector, which was a small looking 35mm portable with 2,000’ spools. I assume there was a 2nd machine.Ten years ago ITN News showed the front of a Baghdad cinema blown out exposing the projection box. The projectionist was trying to have a tidy up. Between the projectors was a large picture of Saddam Hussein the Iraq leader.
Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 11-19-2001, 09:33 PM:
"I assume there was a 2nd machine." Don't assume on this one. In "Beshkempir," which takes place in nearby Kyrgyzstan, the film shows a scene with only one projector.
Posted by Thomas Hauerslev (Member # 566) on 11-20-2001, 02:26 AM:
Two cinemas in Baghdad had the DP70 installed according to the 1960 DP70 brochure. See the list here. I wonder what happened to them? They run everything, even Islamic movies, as long as film have holes!
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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 11-20-2001, 06:40 PM:
"I wonder if they were showing Harry Potter"
I'll bet it was in some of those yellow canisters that were dumped from the air the last few weeks. All those prints and they will never miss a few extra........Mummmmmm, They can watch Harry and sit and eat Peanut Butter and Crackers...sounds like my kind-o-place.
Mark @ GTS
Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 11-20-2001, 07:38 PM:
Those projectors are Russian-made, but their name eludes me at this time. If i can remember, I'll post their name.
Posted by Bernard Tonks (Member # 809) on 11-21-2001, 10:58 AM:
Thomas:According to Cinemationlist, the pair of Philips DP70s are up for sale in the now closed Plaza, Lower Regent Street, London.
John:
I bought a Russian am/fm/sw transister radio many years ago, rather oversized and built like a tank but sound quality was fantastic, good as any UK Robertsons. I would imagine their projectors were good and made to last.
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 11-21-2001, 11:37 AM:
I have a pair of Russian portable machines that are clones of the portable Zeiss TK-35. They are quite nice but the movements are greased, not oiled so I don't now about longivety. The gate is also made of wood as is the large main drive gear. It is a model number KN-something or other. They do have swing away scope holders which is a nice touch, and the Russian solid state amplifier kicks ass. There is a voltage regulating transformer that feeds everything and is adjustable for many different AC voltages. When I got the pair(from a surplus dealer near Toronto) they were brand new and many of the pieces were still packed in grease.
Mark @ GTS
Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 11-21-2001, 03:41 PM:
A tech I know used to service the russian KN portable that Mark owns. The wooden drivegear would swell up in the tropics and self destruct so he found himself becoming a "whittler" in making replacement parts.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com
Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 11-21-2001, 08:39 PM:
"so he found himself becoming a "whittler" in making replacement parts"And that would make his mom...?
Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 11-21-2001, 09:14 PM:
Whittler's Mom of course; but she is too busy being on display.....We just had dinner made of meatloaf shaped like a turkey...our bizzare household way of prepping for Thanksgiving...
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 11-22-2001, 03:38 AM:
There was a picture of the projector - looks like a Meopta to me, but can't be sure - in Tuesday's Daily Telegraph. I'll scan it this evening and post.The projector was indeed portable - no lamphouse at all, the illumination can't have been more than a slide projector bulb. The report said that this place was a 650-seat cinema. Somehow, I don't think that setup meets the SMPTE's reccommended 16ft/l!
Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 11-22-2001, 07:56 AM:
The return of cinemas to a war torn market is a good hope to a desire for peace and some recreation if life. When the conflict in Lebenon subsided, Victor Nicelli of Cinemeccanica noted that large orders projectors where being sold after 10 years of inactivity. We saw this in sales to Central America when civil war in the region came to a close......as a 30 year member of SMPTE, we strive to give customers proper equipment for presentations but in my travels I have seen situations we would call horrible or inadequate.....but the marvel of seeing people enjoying themselves in the majic of cinema usually puts this onto perspective.....a dim mazda bulb is possibly better than nothing.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products inc. www.tvpmiami.com
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 11-22-2001, 03:39 PM:
It could've been something small like a Marc 350 arc lamp, but anything that would fit in there would not be enough. What a great shot. Most projectionists I know like to keep their hands inside the machine in the middle of a reel!
Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 11-23-2001, 08:18 AM:
Looks like the russian copy of the Zeiss TK portable....maybe Mark at GTS should open a branch office upgrading these machines to xenon like they do in Germany ( Mountains and religious issues like Utah - just watch out for the land mines ). This portable has a bulb mounted on the off side of the machine with a light path using a mirror to do a 90 degree turn.........
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 11-23-2001, 08:33 AM:
I imagine that the mirror would absorb quite a bit of light, even starting off with a bulb that isn't massively powerful.It's hard to tell from that low-resolution picture, but the firetrap just left of the takeup spool looks like one from a Meopta C-2 (the full-size 16/35 convertible); didn't know that this was based on a Zeiss design, though.
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 11-26-2001, 03:03 PM:
Latest estimates are that there are over 100,000 theatre screens capable of showing 35mm film in the world. Nice to see another! A sign in my Kodak Research Lab building lobby says it all: "Photography - The Universal Language".
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Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 11-26-2001, 07:56 PM:
Have they ordered FILMGUARD yet?
Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 11-27-2001, 02:58 AM:
Here's a close up shot of these projectors. I've got more and I'll post them as soon as I can scan them.
Posted by Colin Wiseley (Member # 247) on 11-28-2001, 04:32 PM:
Do you have a threading diagram for the projector? I can't figure out how the film runs through it.------------------
Colin Wiseley
Lyric Theatre
Blacksburg, VA
www.thelyric.com
Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 11-28-2001, 04:42 PM:
The Zeiss Jena TK35 or Russian copy has one drive sprocket. The film enters at the top left of the sprocket, goes up a guide channel ( the slightly curve piece above the sprocket ) loops around the lamphouse reflecting mirror / through the gate and sound drum and back to the bottom side of the sprocket........there is also a crank available that fits the sprocket shaft for those cold day start ups or to check threading.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre and Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com
Posted by John Walsh (Member # 168) on 11-28-2001, 04:44 PM:
I'm guessing, but is the supply reel on the left, and the take-up reel on top? Seems weird, but that's the only way I can figure it runs. That sprocket must be shared (run film on both sides.)Also, it looks like there's a lens inside, then another lens holder on the outside.
Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 11-28-2001, 06:21 PM:
Feed reel at top......take up at rear...one drive sprocket.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 11-28-2001, 06:28 PM:
I assume that the outside lens holder is for the scope adapter, like on most 16mm projectors. It probably swings out of the way when it's not being used.I'm sure that these projectors would be quite terrible for theatre use when compared with, say, a Simplex or Century, but the idea of a 35mm projector that isn't much bigger than a 16mm classroom machine is really appealing for home or portable use.