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Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 02-05-2002, 10:24 AM:
I stand corrected ... WD40 does work on everything! 
Posted by Joe Beres (Member # 678) on 02-05-2002, 10:42 AM:
Gosh, I've been doing everything wrong. I really need to take your seminar. For quality of that level, shouldn't the telephone number be 1-800-99-FILMS?Fantastic job guys!
Posted by Gordon Bachlund (Member # 124) on 02-05-2002, 06:41 PM:
Indeed a great video clip and all in good fun. I loved it!Yet, I am troubled that some multi-screen food service establishments I have attended would probably view the practices shown as their operating norms.
Caveat emptor, film going public. Support film done correctly, er right.
Posted by Ken Lackner (Member # 1002) on 02-05-2002, 08:36 PM:
Great job, as usual, guys! And here I thought it was going to be an actual tips video. 
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 02-05-2002, 09:22 PM:
Joe and Brad --- You've outdone yourselves in "Film Done WRONG"!BTW, do you want to buy a really WIDE PTR cleaner to clean that floor? Have I got some deals for you!!!:
http://www.thefstop.com/equipment/new/onepass.html
http://www.ksmsuperclean.com/ecr.html
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Posted by Paul Harnden (Member # 1034) on 02-05-2002, 10:16 PM:
I'm sorry if I'm dense and missed this, but where is this video clip? Reading these reviews I really want to check it out.
Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 02-05-2002, 10:42 PM:
I laughed when i saw the part where Joe threaded the tail.
I know someone who actually tried to do that, but not in the same way.
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-05-2002, 10:44 PM:
The clip is on the front page of the site available for download to forum members that have sent in their pictures for placement beside their posts. Since you have not yet done this, you will not be able to download it until you send in your picture, or wait 2 weeks for the "VIP pass restriction" disappears as it will then be available for download to the general public.
Posted by Josh Jones (Member # 447) on 02-05-2002, 11:43 PM:
Did anyone else notice that the big 754 meg download looked jaggy? I downloaded the MPEG and although the resolution is lower, it apeared much sharper.Josh
Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 02-06-2002, 12:04 AM:
Joe, you have outdone yourself again. First the Mann Tamarac, the the original Booth Training video, and now this! I was laughing my ass off!!!-Aaron
Posted by Ethan Harper (Member # 472) on 02-06-2002, 12:15 AM:
AWEOSME!!! **** four stars. That is how I do EVERYTHING here. Is it me or was the CD in the DTS unit upside down? Was it even a DTS disc?
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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-06-2002, 12:37 AM:
Josh, the big 754 MEG download is only playable in full resolution with the programs that were listed on the download page. That file is actually the original DV camera resolution, but unless you have the programs and computer editing equipment it will look worse than even the smallest download.TO ALL: Please read carefully before picking a download. Don't just find the first "blue text with underlining" and click on it. We are offering 6 different versions to choose from to suit most anyone's computer setup, but with those kind of choices comes a bit of confusion.
The QuickTime downloads are the best quality, but you must have the QuickTime player installed on your computer. If you do not have QuickTime player, download one of the last two options, as they are in MPEG format, which any Windows box can play without additional software. Do not download the "DV QuickTime" if you do not meet ALL of the hardware and software requirements.
To the people who sent in pictures this evening, your accounts will be activated tomorrow.
Posted by Paul Harnden (Member # 1034) on 02-06-2002, 01:03 AM:
thanks brad, Sorry I haven't sent in a pic yet, haven't had the time nor the resources.
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 02-06-2002, 02:41 AM:
Joe, I think Karen from DTS would LHBO on the DTS Scene.
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-06-2002, 03:42 AM:
Thanks for all the comments so far! It was really fun to make both during the shoot and during editing. Did you know that all my dialog is dubbed? I'm not talking about the narration, I'm talking about the parts with lip sync. Eric Estrada did the new voice So has anyone played the full Quicktime DV version on their TV's through the firewire yet? I'd like to hear what you think as well!
Also if you look REALLY close you can see an extremely light shadow cast over a random small object in the background of one scene. That shadow was cast by none other than Ethan Harper! So I guess he deserves some credit as well.
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 02-06-2002, 04:05 AM:
Out of morbid interest, what was the film Joe dropped and how long did it take to wind it up again?
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-06-2002, 04:16 AM:
It was "On the Line", starring Lance Bass. Taking into account the movie as well as the horrific acting in it, we found the movie is now more enjoyable. Wouldn't you agree?
Posted by Joe Beres (Member # 678) on 02-06-2002, 09:50 AM:
Joe, was "On the Line" also the film in your new picture? That could possibly be the best use for that particular picture yet. Burning the trailer wasn't a bad idea either
Posted by Michael Barry (Member # 237) on 02-06-2002, 10:52 AM:
A total classic! I found that the large MPEG version in full-screen mode looked very good with very fluid motion and overall quality. Somehow when I try and play quicktime movies in full-screen on the same computer it looks jerky. This is on a Pentium II-350Mhz.
By all means, please provide MPEG versions for all future videos! If you can provide a large MPEG version of 'Interlocking 101' that would be best of all...MPEG also means that one can make a VCD and watch it on a DVD player (if one is so inclined!).
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 02-06-2002, 02:37 PM:
I was kinda hoping you'd dropped a Woody Allen film, but 'On the Line' will do...
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-06-2002, 02:38 PM:
It was my intention to make the MPEG fully VCD compatible (NTSC). I was also thinking about doing an MPEG-2 DVD file, but I don't think many people have DVD Burners yet. I can't make Interlocking 101 into an MPEG since it excedes MPEG's standard aspect ratio. I could squeeze it into an MPEG like scope movies are squeezed onto 35mm film, but then you'd have to use your 16:9 TV to unsqueeze it, and the resolution would be lower. 
Posted by Paul Cassidy (Member # 951) on 02-06-2002, 10:39 PM:
The film inspection was cool , the Big Mac would be like using Lube while inspecting and the salted chips would give it that old film News reel type presentation (scratches etc.)and the film on the ground would be cleaned after using the particle rollers on the the floor, First Rate Job. ------------------
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Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 02-07-2002, 01:22 AM:
Well done Joe and Ethan.Michael brought a copy of it into the Ritz today and now it stands proudly on the PC desktop for all to witness.
Very funny...I particularly liked the PTR bit, but that's just me. 
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Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 02-07-2002, 01:28 AM:
Joe, you really did a good job on that. I downloaded all of them. Ran into the same problem Josh did on his 754 meg download, but the large MPEG looked really great!I have a training seminar Saturday morning, and you are going to be the star.
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-07-2002, 02:40 AM:
Again, the 754 Meg download is ONLY for people who will run it through firewire to some DV device. Don't expect it to look good playing on your desktop because Quicktime does not show you even half of the information in the DV file just so it can run smoothly.By the way, thanks for all of your comments. But I was not the only one who worked on this. Brad ran the camera for me on all shots and came up with some creative compositons so that when edited would flow smoother and look cooler. It worked and I did learn a lot about the way he used things (like when to use zoom, etc etc) to great effect. He also thought up the majority of the scenarios. The original training video was 100% my ideas as was the Tamarac, but Brad came up with 90% of these to begin with and then we worked them out so that they were the best they could be. This video would not have been as cool without Brad's input and creative use of camera. What was the scenario that I came up with? The threading at the end. Everything else = original Bradrick Miller idea.
And the biggest contributer has to be Ethan and his faint shadow. It took 6 and a half hours getting Ethan to stand in the right spot to cast the perfect shadow. Without that shadow, it would not have been worth completing this at all.
Posted by Paul Konen (Member # 41) on 02-07-2002, 09:34 AM:
I too enjoyed the whole thing and was trapped by the title.I particularly enjoyed the PTR cleanup and the WD-40 just kept going and going and ...
Paul.
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 02-08-2002, 12:12 AM:
Joe, just out of curiosity, How many actual man-hours was devoted to this, including planning and setting it up?I made a video along time ago, and for one minute of actual footage used, it took about 1 hour of editing, dubbing, and scene matching.
I would guess it took at least a minimum of one full day,(maybe two)for all of you to come up with the finished product.
Posted by Ron Lacheur (Member # 1126) on 02-08-2002, 12:51 AM:
754MB download?Geez, how long is this thing?
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-08-2002, 02:33 AM:
Ron, the 754 meg download is a full blown digital resolution file, of which very few people will actually have the equipment to play it back properly. The regular MPEG and QuickTime download options range from 12 megs to 35 megs, which are the ones you will want to go for.
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-08-2002, 02:38 AM:
I didn't log the hours, but we shot on 3 separate days I believe. They weren't all day shoots or anything like that. Editing took longer than the shoot, which is usually the case. Editing took nearly a week when you include all of the sound work and music creation etc etc etc. It seemed that compressing the file into Quicktimes and MPEGs took the longest. Ugh!
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-08-2002, 03:24 AM:
Yeah, that's about right, but you forget the hours it took us to convince Ethan that since his print of On the Line had been sitting there for so long that Technicolor would never return to pick it up. What amazed me was how you were able to pick it back up and get it back INTO THE CANS without re-spooling it! Maybe we should've shown your special "foot packing" technique?
Posted by Joe Beres (Member # 678) on 02-08-2002, 09:36 AM:
Joe and Brad,
I assume you guys are using final cut on a mac, but just out of curiousity, what kind of camera and editing system/software are you using?
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 02-08-2002, 02:20 PM:
Equipment:Canon XL1 MiniDV Camcorder running at 30 frames per second (not 60 independent fields like most camcorders!)
Mac G4 450 AGP Graphics running Mac OS 9.2.2 and Final Cut Pro 2 for editing and sound mixing
Moto DV (Mac) used for video capture
Sony MZ-R55 Minidisc recorder and Sony ECM-MS907 microphone used for dialog and sound effects recording
Sound Effects for Mac used for sound editing and recording
Quicktime 5.0.x (Mac) used to separate frames for animation
Adobe Photoshop 6 (Mac) used to create animation
Quickmovie (Mac) used to recompile animated frames into movie
Ray Dream Studio 5 (Mac) used to create animated "Joe Redifer" logo
Cleaner 5 (Windows) used to create Quicktime & MPEG files.
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-08-2002, 05:00 PM:
Nope, Cleaner 5 sucked, so I used Adobe Premiere 6.0 (Windows) for the Quicktimes.
Posted by Michael Barry (Member # 237) on 02-10-2002, 01:05 AM:
As an experiment, I just made a VCD of the new booth training video using Ahead Nero 5.5. Burning at 12 times speed (this WAS an experiment, after all!) the entire process took about 3 minutes.It worked perfectly in my Sony 715 DVD player! Definitely the preferred way to watch all those film-tech videos.
Is there any way we can 'letterbox' those widescreen aspect ratio quicktime movies for MPEG-1 compression?
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 02-10-2002, 10:37 AM:
I like Premiere and in particular its ability to reduce the speed of captured footage cleanly and without any flicker. We've got a lot of silent material that was telecined to UMatic or 1" C at 25fps which should be shown at much lower speeds and Abobe Premiere offers a very cheap way of rerecording at 16fps (or whatever) for research viewing. Just drag the captured clip to the timeline, right-click, change the 'speed' parameter and re-render, and just as long as you're not trying to video-project onto a 20' across screen it looks as good as if it were telecined on a Cintel or a Spirit.
Posted by Craig Hanham (Member # 1010) on 02-10-2002, 10:25 PM:
Ahh Sensei I see now where I go wrong.haha giggle giggle laugh
Yay verily good funnies.
Tell me does CRC 5.56 work as well as WD40? Just need to know as I am about to start my neglected maintanance program and am not allowed to spend any money, so have to make do with what's available. Maybe kerosine would do at a pinch - using a spray bottle of course.
Keep up the good work
Posted by Jonathan Worthing (Member # 803) on 02-11-2002, 04:16 AM:
It's probably very good, the only problem is when I downloaded the large version. I only got the first 15 seconds of it. when I tried the medium one it got 20 seconds in & it shut my computer down. The small one may explode my monitor if things go as they have been.Better get my xenon changing gear on.
Live Long & Prosper (We hope)
Posted by Joseph Pandolfi (Member # 223) on 02-18-2002, 06:13 PM:
My favorite was 
kicking the lamphouse. I remember the xenon would not light here and I gave it the same mild kick (SFX: **thoong!... zzzzit***) and the bulb lit and it was fine after that.
Posted by Ron Lacheur (Member # 1126) on 02-18-2002, 06:33 PM:
repairing the foam rotted speakers was a good gag too!
Posted by Paul Harnden (Member # 1034) on 02-18-2002, 06:52 PM:
You guys are the best. Just got back from the hospital after splitting a side laughing so hard . I too enjoyed kicking the lamphouse, damn good stuff. My rating is a 10 for this one, keep up the good work!
Posted by Will Kutler (Member # 770) on 02-18-2002, 07:14 PM:
BRAVO, BRAVO....Just hope that you guys covered yourselves legally! There is bound to be some dip 
who will take the advice literally