In this case, the floor staff was not aware that it was their religeous right to wear it any damn place they wanted it too. The floor staff actually thought these people were part of a gang.

It wasnt until the manager got into it when he realized what was happening. He tried to placate the group, to no avail.

My questions is, HOW IN HELL CAN YOU NOT KNOW THIS STUFF??? Do these people NOT watch any television that doesnt involve cartoons?

Good publicity dont you think?

Not sure if this should have been here or in one of the other forums.

Dave
 

Moving to Yak.
 

Carmike should stick to their guns on this one. Besides, the plantiffs might want to read the news before filing suit. What, exactally, do they think they will be able to get out of Carmike?

 

Splinter groups and cults sometimes make up their own dress codes. The Yahways come to mind, but this group was (treading carefully here) found to have members in high places that were engaged in serious felonious behavior. A dress code imposed by those leaders would not stand up under court scrutiny. Freedom of religion has definite limits in the U.S., as some extreme Jehovah's Witnesses have discovered after withholding medical care from their children.

Carmike would still have insurance even if in financial difficulty. This is what the bottom sucking lawyers would be after.

The thing here is that the ticket taker should have denied them entrance into the place before it got out of hand.
Mark @ GTS

Orthodox Jewish males may follow the Biblical injunction against cutting the corners of their beards, and most cover their heads with a hat or skullcap denoting humility before God. the way Christians uncover their heads in church for a similar reason.

School administrators, sports teams and employers often allow such religious symbolic expression when it is based on sincere religious conviction.

Sufis are generally (Shi'ite) Moslem, although they don't have to be. Perhaps you were mixing the Sikhs and Sufis up. Sufi dress varies according to the group. Whirling dervishes have a stylized code of dress but most don't have any dress code.

It is true that dress codes have to be applied across the board, but you do have to remember that not all persons that dress in a certain way are showing gang affiliation. Would you force orthodox jews to remove thier yammicas (sic)? The jewish community would have you across thier legal laps giving you the court equivilant of a good spanking.

Even if you apply certain rules across the board regarding dress, you take away a persons right to express themselves, denying the freedom of speech. Violence and crude behavior is forbidden, but to say that you cant wear hats, thats like saying that you cant dance in Provo Utah after 10 pm. Oh wait, they do that now.

I am all for security and safety, and even willing to give a little of my own personal freedoms to get it. But I would not bend even a small amount on what rights that as human biengs we should be able to enjoy.

My true objection with what happened is that our educational system is so broken down that these kids don't even know a damn thing about the people around them. They don't even have an interest in caring anyway. And to think that in thirty years, these kids are going to be our senators and congressmen, and god forbid, the president.

I think now is a good time to become canadian.

Dave
 

It is my feeling that Private Property is Private Property. No one is forcing people to attend the theatre. It is not a public building like a school that people HAVE to go too. If I owned private property and did not like the color orange, I may decide to not allow anyone onto my property who was wearing orange, I may be wrong but I think that it would be my right as the owner of the property.
 

What happened in Columbus GA can easily lead to calls for a nationwide boycott of Carmike. That's something the company doesn't want to have to put up with, especially since it just got out of Chapter 11.
 

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Look at this! His chin strap has been cut!

1. The laughable thing about religious dress codes is that people have the natural ability to wear all types of dress. Go to South Beach nightclubs if you don't believe me. Religions place dress RESTRICTIONS on people, and then complain when other restrictions interfere with their own restrictions. To me that makes the idea of it being a "freedom of religion" or "freedom of speech" issue ludicrous.

2. The state of Florida until recently allowed Muslim women to cover their faces when having their driver's licence picture taken. (Imagine a trooper looking at such a licence, looking at the driver, and then back at the licence... "You don't look like this piece of cloth...") It no longer does, as the "right to drive" is not a given constitutional right.

3. Technically, since graven images are forbidden as part of Muslim fundementalism, if these men were true believers, they shouldn't have been going to a theatre in the first place. People with extreme religious intolerances and views can't pick and choose from a smorgasboard of intolerances and expect to have people or the courts respect those choices.

4. Sometimes the religious intolerants have to be treated as the pricks that they are. I've seen orthodox members of one religion walk down the street, pass by a member of the reform version of the same religion, and spit on them. Some may call that religious freedom, but if G-- requires such behavior from his believers, I'm in the other camp and ready to fight.

5. If you stop and think about the climate of the middle east where the western religions sprung up, and then you consider that these religions were promoted and ruled by old men, you start to realize that just perhaps one of the reasons for the head coverings was to keep some frail old bald heads from getting sunburned.

"Oh great teacher, why is your head covered?"

"Err... Ummm... G-- told me to! You need to cover your head too!"

 

Are you an adult? Or a child?

I pity you if you are an adult and think that way. My recommendation: Get a punching bag, start across the room, and run into it; repeat. That should vent your anger just right.

Peace to all. Even you Bill, but wake up, please.
 

So until someone comes up with a better solution (and sends it to me via email), since I don't particularly want to block Bill's right to freedom of speech, I am going to politely request we keep comments like that off of this forum. Let's leave it at that for right now. I think Bill is a good guy and quite possibly is just having a bad day and wrote something he may wish to go back and "edit" after reading it again in a different mood.
 

As I stated, I was playing devil's advocate. Those not familiar with the term, refers to one representing a possible opinion, not directly related to the person doing the representation. In other words, I felt it necessary to take an opposing stance in order to facilitate a more open debate on the subject, rather than just a bunch of beer buddies (which we are) from just going, WASSUUUUUP!!!

I myself do not believe in religeon, and probably don't even spell it right. I am even questionable on this God fellow, and wonder where the hell is he anyway?

I always find wonderful simalarities from history drawn to current times. There was an unofficial and now historical study done by a kindergarden teacher. The study she embarked on was not authorized and it cost her entire career.

The children were told that children with blue eyes were different from other children, that they were not as smart, as good, and could be evil (statements simplified for purposes of the fact that It has been 14 years since I finished my schooling).

By lunchtime, all of the blue eyed kids were segregated by the rest of the kids. They were taunted and teased (it may have been the brown eyed kids, cant remember which color now). It was groundbreaking research that taught a large lesson in bigotry.

We used to tell our children that certain color people are bad, and many of us still do this. Horrible but true. We have gangs that kill over colors. Dr King was right to hope for color blindness in all peoples, and end the hate caused by something as silly as color.

Even religeons have thier basis in color. It was years before most mainstream religeons even allowed NON white people in the doors.

I side with the theater, that if a posted rule is not obeyed, than no admittance. However if it is applied subjectively instead of across the board, you open up the interpretation and enforcement to people who truly do not understand that color is a gift, not a curse.

There is plenty of hatred to go around, and I hate hats. Always have, always will. I think hats are for guys who dont want to admit they are losing thier hair, and for women who are veign enough to think it makes them look anything other than rediculous.

And as for religeous garb of any kind? Do some reasearch and you will find that God and Religeon were created to scare the common man into fear and submission by people only interested in power and the riches that come with it.

Ok maybe I cant prove that GOd doesnt exist, and I hope he does, because only he can save my lame ass.

dave

 

Try not to confuse spirituality, philosophy, and organized religon. Often they are entirely seperate things.

I'm usually amused by the "God is on our side!" proclamations. I envision God in a lineup with a bunch of little kids, and two kids picking teams.

 

Hats have a practical side to them (and I am not a hat wearer). Aside from helping to maintain the temperture of one's head for health reasons, they also provide a substantial block to harmful sun radiation. In fact, the Governor of Maryland recently had cancer surgury on the top of his head that would have been avoided had he been a hat wearer out of doors.

If you are going to pick on customary clothing, go for ties, especially the non-bow variety, whats up with them? I'm no fashion critic but while a Tux with a bow-tie is just fine by me, a conventional tie with a suit just looks silly to me. And what's with the 4 or so buttons on the sleeves of men's suits? They don't button anything.

Steve

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"Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"
 

I hate ties, and wear tieless shirts or polo shirts with my suit coats. I CUT OFF THE BUTTONS!!!

I can see the point on hats. takes the place of hair for the hairless to prevent cancer and create heat in very cold places.

But as a religeous or fashion statement, its a no brainer. Meaning it takes no brains to come up with any ol damn rule you want to.

As for confusing religeon and spirituality, I never do. regigeon has nothing to do with the other. I am a deeply spiritual person, in a very druid sort of way, as I am from druidia.

Dave
 

How sad....
Apparently some people only believe in Constitutional Rights and Freedom of Speech if it agrees with what they believe in or have to say.
You know, there's a number of people on this forum that spout what I consider to be pure bullshit on a regular basis, but by god this is America and we ALL do have the right to say what we like even if you don't like it or agree with it. If someone says something and feels bad for having said it, they can always go back and edit their statement. But it really makes me mad that some people will slink around off line and get someone elses statements eliminated or worse yet have that person thrown off this forum because they don't say what they would like then to, or what agrees with their particular agenda. I think it sucks bad and now that we've started down this slippery slope how can I get other people's postings censored?
I wonder how long this posting will last?
 

ACK!

Since this discussion is benefiting no one, I am locking this thread.