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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-05-2002, 07:57 PM:
 
Well, my feet are on fire from walking around Bally's all day so I came back to the room to at least post something about this years show. I left my digital camera behind this time but hopefully Brad will get some pics to post later.

So far it has turned out to be a pretty busy as compared to last years. Attendance seems to be way up.

Not too many new products but a few worth mentioning are the new BACP Dolby Digital Penthouse which looks very, very nice. They are saying it does 1.5 to 2 digits lower error rate than the other leading brand! If you combine it and the new U.S. Labs Analog processor which contains the analog Processor, Crossovers for bi/tri amp, and booth monitor, along with a DA-20 you can have a really nice SRD playback setup and save some bucks whie you're at it.

Big Sky was showing off a new lamphouse and very small touch screen automation unit which also look promising.

Kinoton has a really nice large booth with all the wonderful German made projectors and other accessories.

Megasystems Booth has really grown this year and they have on display the usual 8/70 machine and a 15/70 prototype, but only running at a couple of clicks a second(perhaps not even that fast). Common Steve.....turn up the speeed a bit and lets see what happens!

Oh, and the Oscar that was given to the JBL engineers was also on display at the JBL booth. Congratulations guys! You're well deserving of it. At last there are really great three way screen systems thanks to your efforts.
Mark @ GTS


 


Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 03-06-2002, 12:03 AM:
 
Oops, never mind...I answered my own question by re-reading Mark's post. Consider this message deleted.


 


Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 03-06-2002, 02:22 AM:
 
Well, were off!

Yesterday we went to the Kodak digital cinema demonstration. Their 3 million-pixel chips look pretty good. It did help that their source material was from an Imax film. Their demonstration is hard to get in to due to its popularity.

I finally hooked up with Brad at the Trade Show. He was systematically going from booth to booth checking with each and every vendor of projection equipment. We haven't gotten an overall impression of what he thought of the equipment, but I hope he will post exhaustively here when he returns.

We have met all of the usual suspects. Gordon McLeod and Steve Guttag were at the SMPTE meeting this morning. I attended even though I don't understand half of what they are talking about. There was a half an hour discussion of what exactly is the color white.

I ran in to Mark Gulbrandsen, John Pytlak from Kodak, Paul G. Thompson, Dwayne Caldwell and most of the Telluride people who are here this year.

I went to the big breakfast and the MGM lunch. They were pitching Crock Hunter with that crazy Australian you see on the Nature Channel. Bruce Willis was there at the lunch.

Ky was able to find a seat that he likes. The trade show is all of the usual stuff. There doesn't seem to be anything new and exciting from the Trade Show.

Ky likes the Health and Fitness Fair; they give free massages. I had my cholesterol checked (mostly normal), lung function was mostly normal and bone density was slightly below normal.

We had dinner with the Telluride people away from the convention, which was nice. Then we had drinks with Mike Hurley and some people who post at bigscreenbiz.com.

Tomorrow is the Film-Tech Drink. Hopefully several people will tell of the drunken shenanigans. That's all for now.

 


Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-07-2002, 06:56 PM:
 
Well, I'm back in town and had a great time there. The show as a whole had a much better turnout than last years disaster was. The aisles were packed again as they normally are and long lines to see at least some vendors.

The Film-Tech drink night was enjoyed by at least 50 people or better in attendance in the suite that was provided. I finally got to meet John Pytlak! What a guy...a veritable walking encyclopedia of film technology and absolutley amazing to listen to. John stated that last year Kodak produced over 13 million feet of release film print stock. When asked what they do with all those perfs that are punched out he said they were recycled.......by glueing them all together into usable film . We knew he was just teasing though. But thats alot of film and all agreed that film and digital will coexist for quite a long time to come.

Kodak was also showing off their 3 megapixel ILA based digital projector,,,,,no one could hardly get in to see it though. This had to be THE digital demo to see at the show. Last years chips were only at 1 megapixel resolution. He reported that even the guys from T.I. were there to see that demo. Looks like DLP may be all but obsolete if U ask me.

After the drinks were all gone and Gord, Brad, and Ian had eaten all the Cheese cubes, and ourderves we all went down to the steak house in Bally's but were shunned away due to the size of the crowd, Ian suggested we go over to the Bellagio Grand Buffet. It is easily the best Continetal buffet in Vegas but very easily still second to the Seafood Buffet at the Rio (sorry Brad and Bob!).
Next year will be bigger and better yet, Hopefully Bob Marr will be there with us again.
Mark @ GTS
 


Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 03-07-2002, 07:35 PM:
 
Small correction Mark.

John said it was 13 billion linear feet of film used last year. It's too bad that film is on its way out. He used that number to show that the "film" industry was very alive and healthy.

That's about 1,300,000 individual movies. Shove that up your multi-plex!


 


Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-07-2002, 09:39 PM:
 
Ian, You're right! Dang cheeze squares from last night have gone to my head! Yes, It was linear feet that he quoted.
But you mean shove that up your , not multiplex!
Mark @ GTS


 


Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 03-08-2002, 01:41 AM:
 
I just had dinner with Dana Carvey, Baz Lurman, Nicole Kidman, Naomi Watts, Rachel Griffiths, Riddley Scott, Josh Hartnett, Marisa Tomei , Michael J. Fox, Doug Wick, Sir Anthony Hopkins, Jullian Fellows, Chris Tucker, Magic Johnson, Ron Howard, Jennifer Lopez, Will Smith, Tom Cruise and Steven Spielberg.

It was really a pain in the ass because each and every one of them came to my table and asked where was Brad Miller. Brad was apparently dinning in Quark's Cafe over at the Hilton’s Star Trek Experience and wasn't available.

It was fun seeing all of those stars from 350 feet away. Thank God for video I-Mag. The pace of the show was slow, most of the stars weren’t aware that the audience they were talking to, were theatre owners and responsible for their income. Most thanked their agents and the marketing department of the studios. The only two stars that made direct comments about theatre owners were Will Smith and Chris Tucker.

The dinner was a filet of beef, a portion of Sea Bass, mashed potatoes, an arrangement of tiny vegetables and salad. I cannot be high enough to describe dessert. The center table arrangements were a film tin with a 16mm reel on top all painted gold. Many people took them home as souvenirs.

It was great meeting so many Film-Tech'ers at the Gathering. Many thanks go to CPI for putting the Film-Tech Gathering together for us this year. We hope to see more of you next year. It was great to meet Brad. We were sorry that Joe chose not to attend. Joe, nobody attacked Brad, no one would have attacked you.

Well, that's it for the show. I must go and pack for England and the Wide Screen Weekend in Bradford. I will not be posting here for a couple of weeks, but here is hoping that the many who were here will comment. I look forward to reading Brad's comments on what he saw while he was here.


 


Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-08-2002, 12:26 PM:
 
Ian
Brad did not attend due to the Sea Bass being on the plate. Squeelberg shoulda known better by now!
MArk @ GTS
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-08-2002, 04:37 PM:
 
I didn't go because I was afraid of being attacked?? Where did that come from? I thought I didn't go because I didn't want to pay for air and hotel fare to attend a convention for an industry I am no longer involved in. I would have had fun the first day I was there, that's for sure. But after that I imagine I would be bored shitless seeing the same booth stuff over and over again on the trade show floor (*yawn*). And don't say "well you could have driven out". While technically true, I HATE driving. I will not be driving to any other states. Oh an the Rockies have gotten about 2 feet of snow last night so I would have been utterly screwed coming home if I had driven


 


Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-08-2002, 04:46 PM:
 
Joe
Not involved in the industry???? 1700 plus posts. You would have gotten a really cool Film-Tech T shirt had you been there.....
Not involved, then how come U are here? Seems to me if U are here U are involved.....
Anyway U could have made some great videos there!!!
Mark @ GTS
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-08-2002, 04:56 PM:
 
Not involved meaning I don't work in the industry. Seeing the new cutting-edge booth products are not exactly my definition of "excitement". Most of my posts are in Yak, as you will notice. You'll also notice I'm rarely in the chat room since I have nothing to say when everyone starts talking about their equipment. It would have been fun meeting and hanging around with everybody, which is the only reason I wanted to go, but I don't think spending $300 + is worth it, especially with my financial situation right now.


 


Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 03-08-2002, 10:09 PM:
 
Joe, What am I missing here? Remember the old song Where have you gone Joe "Red-if-er?" Need you to fill in the blanks.


 


Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 03-08-2002, 11:59 PM:
 
Sounds like the message that appears at the end of his reviews needs to be modified. "Joe used to be a projectionist?"
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-09-2002, 02:12 AM:
 
Ha ha no Mike. At the time I wrote those reviews I was working in a projection booth. I would love to work in a booth environment again as I love the job, but the pay is so bad that there is no hope of surviving on it.
 
Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 4594) on 03-10-2002, 02:34 AM:
 
Too True!
 
Posted by Kelsey Black (Member # 126) on 03-10-2002, 12:14 PM:
 
Joe, maybe you should do as I have done and still work at a theater, but in management. There's quite a bit more money there, and if you get in at the right place, it is still a booth environment, but with more variety.


 


Posted by Wes Hughes (Member # 981) on 03-10-2002, 05:02 PM:
 
I'm really surprised to hear that showest was a bit more of a success than last year. I was really expecting to hear that it would be about the same as last year, esp. the trade show, since no one is really buying anything!

I regret that I missed this years show...especially the film-tech drink!!!! (Wait till next year...I bring excitement and debauchery wherever I go)! I had paid my registration fees and plane ticket, but my mother got ill about the middle of February and I was afraid to leave...She passed away on March 4th, so i'm very glad that I was here with her and not in Vegas.
 


Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 03-10-2002, 05:36 PM:
 
My condolences
FYI Filmtech night will only get better
film tech like fine wine (and bob maar) get better with age
 
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 03-10-2002, 10:34 PM:
 
My condolences, Wes.

I look forward to meeting you next year at ShoWest. All the Film-Tech'ers I met this year at ShoWest are real gentlemen and true professionals in our industry. It was, indeed, a real pleasure to be there.

Paul
 


Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 03-10-2002, 10:49 PM:
 
Wes, you made the right deceision family always comes first. My deepest condolences on your Mom's passing. Alway's put family first.

That is where it is at.

See you next year.
 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 03-10-2002, 11:17 PM:
 
Ok, Ian wants me to write an essay. I don't think I'll write a thousand words here, but I'll humor him and write something.

This was my first year to ShoWest, and for that matter visiting Las Vegas. I met many people, learned some new things and came up with some new questions.

The people I met were simply too many to keep track of. I've never been too good with remembering faces with names, so thankfully most of the people I met had business cards and now have their pictures on file (for whenever they decide to join in on the forums) for me to help remember them by. Of course all of the regular Film-Tech'ers with pictures were easily spotted. Ian is a very, very large man who could easily pass for a gorilla if only he had more hair and he walked around beating his chest. I actually wanted to get a short video of Ian standing on a Kinoton platter beating his chest, but Larry Shaw had gone home by that last day and the other guys at the Kinoton booth didn't seem to think it was too good of an idea, despite the fact that there was a publicity shot on the platter showing Larry and another man both standing on the top deck. I had met Ian before, he is a great guy and it was good to see him again. Ian's partner (in business that is), Ky was also a pleasure to meet, although I didn't really get much chance to talk with him. Mark was exactly as I had imagined he would be, except for those of you who haven't met him, imagine a low bassy voice with a vast amount of knowledge and a good sense of humor. John Pytlak is indeed a walking encyclopedia of information regarding film. This man knows far too much about film for any one human and can talk for days at a time, yet never get boring to listen to. (I think he must be an alien.) I am convinced Gordon has worked with every piece of equipment ever made for the projection room...and has not forgotten one single thing he has ever come across. Got a question? Ask Gord! And finally we have Steve Guttag, lord of the reels. Steve served as most of the companies representatives, for as I walked the floor with Steve, he didn't even bother getting the manufacturer's input. Steve already knew everything about everyone's equipment and if I didn't know better, would say he was getting paid to play salesman. In fact, I don't even know why the Kinoton reps even bothered to show up with Steve on the floor! However beware, for Steve is very sarcastic (and funny) most of the time. I would've liked to have seen what kind of a conversation he and Joe would've had together. Something tells me it would have been worthy of videotaping.

There were lots and lots of other Film-Tech'ers I got to meet for the first time there, including Aaron Sisemore, Richard Fowler, Ted Costas, Gordon Bachlund, Rick Hamilton, John F. Allen, Bill Purdy, Scott Hicks, The Weenie Man himself...Paul G. Thompson, some guy named Dwayne Caldwell and others to name a few. (We all missed you Bob Maar!) In addition I got to meet a lot of industry people who yet to or have not recently participated here including the infamous Sam Chevez, Steve Krams, the guys from Kinoton, SPECO, Neumade, Lucasfilm THX/TAP, Kelmar, Ultra Stereo, Strong, Big Sky, and on and on and on and on. Everyone was there, even Bevan Wright of Christie. Unfortunately he did not have a Bevan-poo nearby for me to get a picture. I'm sure I am missing tons of people, but this would take me all night if I was to even try and make an attempt to list everyone.

For those of you who were at ShoWest and missed the Film-Tech Drink, shame on you. We all had a great time and everyone in attendance who had 500 posts or more got Film-Tech T-shirts. (See Paul Thompson's picture 2 posts above.) Who knows what we'll do next year. A special thanks goes out to David Bevilacqua and Ron Purtee from Cinema Products International for setting up the entire gathering and co-sponsoring it with me!

I learned a few things while I was there. First and foremost, one block in Vegas is roughly equivalent to 20 normal city blocks! At least that's the way it seemed. You see, last week right before I got on the plane to go to ShoWest I got my foot in a brace to correct a problem I've had for a long time, and walking was not very easy for me. Add to that the fact that the people who make sidewalks in Vegas don't seem to be able to make a FLAT surface to walk on, and the aggravation was multiplied. In fact, all of "Paris" was bricked floor! This was the worst part of the trip.

I also am now convinced that airport security is a friggin' joke. Sure we've got the geeky 18 year old kid sporting a machine gun to make us feel safe, but are they really checking things? Of course not. I walk through the security with a laptop and of course, my metal foot brace and the alarm goes off. No problem. I get scanned with their little hand held metal detector, which of course goes nowhere near my crotch. I guess any terrorist would never think of hiding a weapon there. Then I had to remove my brace for them to inspect it to make sure it isn't some kind of a transforming bomb. Meanwhile the woman is going crazy over my laptop, trying to make sure it won't convert into a nuclear weapon. Dwayne is scanned and as it turns out, he has metal in part of his shoes, which he had to remove. All of this and yet no one there noticed that Dwayne walked right on through with a fairly large carry on bag that was obviously full! Yup, not one single person even bothered to check it. That's comforting. On the way back I carried the bag and Dwayne carried the laptop. Do they check the laptop? Of course not. All these guys are worried about is gunpowder residue on the outside of the carry on bag that I was carrying. They wiped it down with their special Oxy pad and deemed it safe to carry aboard, despite their never even bothering to look inside of it. Then they went ballistic over my left foot when they saw my right foot was in a brace. I had to remove my shoe from my left foot and prove to them I was not carrying a nail file or grenade launcher in there, yet they didn't even bat an eye about my right foot in it's metal brace that was setting off all of their detectors. As if that wasn't enough, upon entering the airplane the computer selected the same woman to do a full search of that had gone through the same search on the plane trip TO Vegas! Yes indeedy, this new security is certainly worth the extra hassle of arriving super early to catch a plane. I feel safer just knowing how efficient those people are.

Getting back to Vegas, also noteworthy of mentioning are those damned slot machines. Not one single place we went to in all of Vegas was without them. Even the airport had slot machines. We didn't go into the McDonald's, but I'm willing to bet that with each Happy Meal came a token for the slot machines in the playground. I still wake up in the morning with the ringing of those bells in my ears. Someone needs to invent a mute button for those things.

Beware of escalators! It took Dwayne and I three days to figure out where this black crap was coming from that was getting all over our hands and finally we found the culprit...the black handrails of the escalators!

Speaking of escalators, not one of them actually had the handrails running at the same speed as the steps. Anyone know why this is? Is it that hard to make them both run at the same speed?

The Episode II preview footage was indeed one of the highlights of the show. As a firm hater of Jar Jar Binks, which honestly ruined Episode I for me, I must admit I am very much looking forward to the second installment due out in 2 months. The preview footage looked very good in content and quality. Even though I still do not find DLP as high of quality as real film, since Episode II was shot digitally, it did project nicely in DLP. I sat about 2 screen-widths back, John Pytlak sat closer and reported jaggies. One of the most impressive sections of the show was a demonstration of how digital footage can be "zoomed in" on in post-production. While sure the quality went down as it was magnified, you would be absolutely amazed at just how well it DID hold up! The scenes we were shown were very much action packed and I actually thought the trailer that was shown afterwards did not do justice to the footage I saw just before. (That trailer is now available for download on www.starwars.com tonight I believe.) My only complaints with the show was that the audio sounded highly compressed, almost like a low sampling rate was used, during the 9 minute random footage from the movie...and Yoda looked very fake in the scenes he was in. I guess that's what happens with cgi characters, and I've never heard a good audio presentation from DLP. (Sean James from Christie reported to us after the show that "the audio was uncompressed"...so something funky is going on with DLP's audio.) Overall though, I expect this movie to do BIG BUSINESS at the box office this summer. It appears that some of the "cheese factor" has been omitted from this film, which I believe will bring people back for more repeat viewings. (Slapstick and Sci-Fi just doesn't mix well IMHO.) Then again, there was not one shot of Jar Jar shown. Still, this movie is going to be the one to be pestering your booker to get this summer.

The last night we were there Aaron and Kat took Dwayne and I out to the Hilton for the "Star Trek Experience" where we ate at a place that was completely Star Trek in every way. Aaron had himself a Romulan Ale and there were many things on the menu to choose from, all with Trekkie names such as "the wrap of Kahn". There were also characters from the movies and tv shows hanging around. At one point Aaron got a visit from an angry Klingon over something I can no longer remember. (I was laughing too much from it.) The Klingon didn't take to my flip cell phone too nicely either, for he thought it was a communicator. Lots of fun indeed! Make sure the next time you travel to Vegas to check this place out!

The last day we were in Vegas we took the monorail to the MGM Grand to see the kitties in the "Lion Habitat". We only got to watch for 20 minutes or so before having to head back for our airport shuttle, but I definitely want one of those "big kitties" as a pet.

I took over 200 pictures and will be posting them in the very near future. Fortunately Joe is taking care of most of the resizing work for me to speed up the conversion process to the web. Look for them soon.

Hmmmmm, maybe I did write a thousand words. I'll leave that to Evans to figure out. Anyway Ian, you happy?



 


Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 03-10-2002, 11:52 PM:
 
Wes, condolances on your mom's passing.

Brad, thanks for the report on the show. Hooking up with Ron and CPI was a good move for you. Ron is a great guy.

 


Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 03-11-2002, 12:14 AM:
 
You wrote 1,945 words, but I haven't read them all yet.
 
Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 03-11-2002, 12:41 AM:
 
Brad,
now you know when somebody says he will be back in 30 minutes that is the time it takes to get from your room in Ballys or Paris Hotel and back to the tradeshow...some of our clients where booked in other hotels and simple things such as meeting for dinner usually involves a detailed battle plan.....now that you experienced the largest Cinema tradeshow outside of Bi-annual Photokina in Germany you should visit the NAB show next month which one booth from a manufacturer such as Sony would fill up 20% or more of the ShoWest tradeshow floor....This years tradeshow was excellent in positive outlook for the industry.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com
 
Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 03-11-2002, 12:58 PM:
 
Jerry....I think you hurt Dave's feelings. Sniff, Sniff!!!

and of course we should mention Elizabeth.


 


Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 03-11-2002, 01:27 PM:
 
Of course. No slight of either of them was intended.

But I think you have just upset Claudia and Steve.


 


Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 03-11-2002, 02:43 PM:
 
Kelsey? Where the hell do you work that you get anything that could be considered "quite a bit more money"?

Dave
 


Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 03-11-2002, 05:29 PM:
 
Well since I don't know Claudia and Steve I am glad that you mentioned them so they won't be upset with me. Thanks.

I spent the better part of the day trying to deceide what I would drink to tonight.....so now I know, without further ado I will drink to Jerry, Claudia and Steve. Hic
 


Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 03-11-2002, 05:43 PM:
 
I wonder if problems with the linear PCM bitstream have anything to do with the audio problems on the DLP demo of "Episode II"? While Dolby Digital, DTS and SDDS are lossy data compressed, their data is processed in packeted form and reclocked after the decoder stage. I'm only curious about this from all the years of seeing overpriced CD transports that were supposed to solve problems with jitter and interference. In theory, I can see that affecting a linear data stream. Data from compressed formats like Dolby Digital and DTS have to be fed to their respective decoders and assembled bit for bit otherwise playback errors are prone to occur. Anyway, just an idea.
 
Posted by Kelsey Black (Member # 126) on 03-11-2002, 08:38 PM:
 
warning: off topic post ahead.

Dave, isn't it common knowledge that most everywhere projectionists are thought of by the bean counters as monkeys working for peanuts? (at least that's the impression I get from especially the larger chains)
and those in management positions are looked at as more responsible, and get paid more than projectionists... heck, when most projectionists are paid near minimum wage, most _any_ job pays quite a bit more money.

I'm not saying I'm rolling in the dough, I'm not by any stretch of imagination. However, I am doing better than I did working as a projectionist anywhere. And I still get (yes, GET) to do all the projectionist duities. (when we're operational, that is)
 


Posted by Aaron Haney (Member # 747) on 03-13-2002, 01:29 AM:
 
Brad --did you get see the Kodak / JVC projector demo? What did you think?

Also, I kept hearing that TI was going to unveil a newer, higher resolution (1920x1080) version of DLP at this show. Did that happen, or was their demo still equipment 1280x1024?


 


Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 03-13-2002, 03:04 AM:
 
I was making more as a projectionist than a manager. Dont figure how, but I was. As a projectionist I was pulling in 800 a week, but the owner felt that was too much money so he pulled me back into manager pay at 500 a week. No bonus.

I worked the same amount of hours for each job, as manager was salary and projectionist was hourly.

Dave
 


Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 03-31-2002, 05:49 PM:
 
I've asked privatly, now I am asking publicly;

Where are the ShoWest photos?

We're all waiting!

Hell, I'll bet even would like to see what he missed. And I know that has done the re-sizing work. So get caption writing and post that photo page update.


 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 03-31-2002, 06:25 PM:
 
Now, now Ian. You asked privately and what did I say? I said I was working on them. (There are LOTS!) With any luck I'll have them done tonight, but then again, maybe not. In the meantime you can thank Joe for assisting, otherwise it would be a much longer time before they get posted.
 
Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 04-01-2002, 09:08 AM:
 
Testy....Testy we all must have patience. We don't want a rush job. However I must say I have grown a long beard while waiting, It rivals Evans hair.
 




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