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Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 03-26-2002, 09:44 AM:
 
So I heard on Craig Kilborn last night that Will Smith being gone at the end of the Oscar night had something to do with the bruise on Ethan Hawke's cheek. John howeverthehellyouspellhislastname Leguazamo was saying that the rumor was Smith was talking shit about Denzel and Ethan didn't like it or something. I feel a bit sheepish gossiping like I'm on 'The View' or something, but I think it's amusing at the least, and suitable for yak. These distinguished, refined members of entertainment that have no problem making the rest of us feel insignificant go to the fists when someone runs off at the mouth.

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Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 03-26-2002, 12:50 PM:
 
Get your facts straight
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 03-26-2002, 05:01 PM:
 
CNN's website said Will Smith and his wife Jada Pinkett-Smith left the show early because their 18 month old daughter was suffering from an ear infection and 103 degree temperature. The kid had to go to the hospital.

Perhaps Ethan Hawke got that bruise on his cheekbone from rattling his face in Uma's heaving bosom. Heh heh.
 


Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 03-27-2002, 10:03 AM:
 
Dustin -
I do have my facts straight. My facts included watching Craig Kilborn and hearing what I heard, and that's true, whether or not the rumor is. Besides, this is Hollywood here, don't be so gullible. Don't believe everything you read on a web page (present company excluded of course). If you're up for best actor, don't you think you would send off the wife to take care of the kid while you stuck around? Of course they don't want to tarnish the sanctity of the awards with a fight story. True or not, I'm just saying what I heard.

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Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 03-27-2002, 11:18 AM:
 
Well if my kid was in the hospital with a fever of 103 I would sure as hell go to see them, no matter what award I was up for.

I apologize (kind of) for being harsh, but we've had problems in the past on this site with people spreading false rumors about companies. Spreading unsubstantiated rumors about people is infinately worse. My source is CNN. Your source is Craig Kilborn. Who should we believe? I know the answer, do you?
 


Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 03-27-2002, 04:14 PM:
 
One should try to verify ones information from more than one source first before spreading it around


 


Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 03-27-2002, 05:33 PM:
 
One also must put what people like Craig Kilborn say in proper context. He might have been mentioning this fight thing as part of a fiction-based joke --an extrememly common occurence on any late night show. Dennis Miller's comments on all those black and white photos at the end of his show are usually funny, but 100% satirical fiction as well.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-27-2002, 07:40 PM:
 
One can easily see this story is a fake by spotting one detail: John Leguizamo. He was the one doing the talking, which would mean he would have had to have been at the Oscar ceremony.

I think we can all safely assume that John Leguizamo will NEVER see the inside of the Oscar ceremonies as they are taking place.
 


Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 04-01-2002, 09:41 AM:
 
Ok, apparently I have settled amoung a group of Saints who are without sin, and boy are the stones a flyin'. I forgot in my old age that film-techers never gossip.

Bobby - try actually reading my post before responding to it. I never said Craig said anything in the first place. I said John did.

My whole point was to visit the comedic possibility that the shiny faces of our industry, the actors and actresses which we lift so high on our collective soldiers, may be human afterall and occasionally forego the lawyers if favor of a good ol' boxing match. It's not like anyone's image was being tattered by what was being talked about. How many people actually participate in this site on a regular basis. Couple hundred? I'd be interested to know.

I personally like Will Smith. I have ever since "Parents Just Don't Understand". You guys need to lighten up. Maybe you need to quit watching CNN Dustin, it's making you bitter and gullible. And Joe, if you think John Leguazamo is not a good actor, try checking out "The Freak" or some of his other stage shows. He's quite talented and can perform a variety of characters.

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Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 04-02-2002, 10:36 PM:
 
Probably in the thousands. I've recieved telephone calls from industry executives-the Vice President of ETS for one-about comments I've made on these forums that were incorrect.

Look, I'm sorry for coming down on you like that. I read your post right after reading about all the garbage that was spewed regarding A Beautiful Mind and how John Nash was supposedly an anti-semite and therefore the movie didn't deserve best picture. After reading about that, your post really pushed my buttons.
 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 04-02-2002, 10:54 PM:
 
Actual participation is in the hundreds somewhere, but it's the evil, quiet, lurker types who have something to hide that are the ones totaling thousands and thousands.

Come on guys, we won't bite (much).


 


Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 04-03-2002, 01:11 AM:
 
I bet we'd have A LOT more people participating if it wasn't for one thing:

Company lawyers who fear that anyone who participates will misrepresent the company, creating actual work for them to do.

C'mon everybody! Look at all the posts by John Pytlak! We've only sued Kodak a dozen times or so! And they've only lost a couple million dollars due to the damaged reputation, not the billions that were projected. We promise that the frivolous lawsuits will be kept to under 10 per year.


 


Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 04-03-2002, 03:51 AM:
 
I don't know if the software running the forums supports this and even if it does, it might be that Brad is not too keen on the idea, but here's a suggestion. One way of getting round the lurker issue would be to require a username and password to be entered before viewing posts (i.e. at the 'click here to accept the terms and conditions' page), and not just when you post replies. There could also be a 'click here to see the names of people who have viewed this thread' button in each folder, which would make it impossible for anyone to view posts without the author being able to find out who has read them.

That having been said, it's a good rule of thumb, IMHO, to regard anything you write on a forum, bulletin board, listserve or anything which is cirulated via the Internet (basically, any electronic communication other than a private e-mail sent between two non-workplace addresses) as a public statement which can be read by anyone, including individuals you might be criticising. The legal situation is just too risky to do anything else, especially in a forum situation which crosses international boundaries.
 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 04-03-2002, 04:23 AM:
 
Yes it is possible to restrict viewing to registered members only, but the kind of people who refuse to register and participate would be too frightened to use their real names anyway and I would just end up spending all of my time tracking down fakes. It's not worth the hassle.

Having a list of who has read each thread would be an unnecessary strain on the server and the software would have to be severely hacked to support such a feature anyway. Again, it's not worth the hassle.
 


Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 04-03-2002, 07:21 AM:
 
I hope that my participation helps theatres improve presentation quality with "Film Done Right". Any problems or concerns mentioned here are brought to the attention of those in Kodak who can do something to address them. Lots of good things have happened in the last three years. IMHO, participation in user groups like Film-Tech is a "win-win" situation for everyone.

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Posted by Joe Beres (Member # 678) on 04-03-2002, 10:32 AM:
 
John,
I'm sure many Film-Techers will agree that your participation at Film-Tech is very much appreciated and respected, and that is an understement. I think also that your participation, like that Karen @ DTS, should serve as a model for any and all manufacturers, suppliers and equipment companies. You prove that you and your company stand behind your product and that it matters that the end users can use it to its full potential. Thanks for caring!
 
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 04-03-2002, 11:17 AM:
 
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the kind of people who refuse to register and participate would be too frightened to use their real names anyway

Exactly Man says: Exactly.

There are probably several times as many silent lurkers as active participants. Among the lurkers are equipment manufacturers, cinema circuit execs, theater managers, etc. Oh yeah, they are here, probably in droves. Some of them despise film-tech because sometimes unkind things are said about them and they find such comments threatening. In their circle of associates, they defend themselves and deflect critical comments by painting film-techers as whiners, uninformed, grudge-carrying ax-grinders not interested in facts or the "real world", etc. They can't acknowledge that film-tech is about raising the bar of presentation quality, because to do so means openly discussing the problems of their industry. Wouldn't want to do that.

Of course the reason I can say this is I'm not in the industry so I can't get fired.


 


Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 04-03-2002, 12:00 PM:
 
Call me dumb, but wouldn't anything written here be kinda protected by our beloved first amendment, and therefore be grounds for a wrongful dismissal if someone was fired (unless there was a specific clause in their work contract about conduct unbecoming blah blah blah...). And I'm not sure requiring registration to look at things would help, you could just make up an identity anyway. I would like to think that the lurkers are a good thing, and that maybe they'll learn something today they didn't know yesterday, which is the best any of us can hope for. Needless to say, everyone's participation here is valued, whatever their contribution to the mix of this speciality site.

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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 04-03-2002, 01:15 PM:
 
For clarity, I didn't mean to suggest that all lurkers are anti-film-tech. Those people are probably in a small minority. There are undoubtedly many many more lurkers who are just interested in learning something new to help them in their daily work (or like me, they are just interested), but for whatever reason choose not to be active participants.

If you're working because you have to (which is almost everyone), you may think twice before painting yourself into the "Look at me, I'm a troublemaker!" corner with your employer. I can say in all honesty if I were working for, say, Regal or Cinemark, whose presentation I often criticize (and occasionally praise) here, I would probably temper my comments or not talk about presentation at all, for fear of drawing negative attention. Yes, ideally they should welcome constructive criticism because it can help them improve their product. But that's in Perfect World.



 


Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 04-03-2002, 05:32 PM:
 
No private forum can fall under the "free speech" law. Why? Because it is private and moderators can delete posts for any reason they want. And there is nothing that anyone can do about it. But this doesn't seem to be a huge and heavy issue here at Film-Tech.
 
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 04-03-2002, 05:46 PM:
 
RE: "Wrongful Dismissal". At least here in Oregon, most employment situations are legally designated as "At Will" and either party may terminate the employment agreement at any time for any reason whatsoever, or for no reason at all. New employees have to sign a document stating their understanding and agreement to this concept when they hire on.


 


Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 04-04-2002, 05:54 AM:
 
Chad: because the Internet is (i) largely unregulated and (ii) not based on traditional geographical or political boundaries, the legal system as a whole is not, IMHO, geared up to deal with the expression of opinions, thoughts and beliefs online in the same way that it is through other media.

Sorry if that sounds a bit vague - here's a 'for example'. Let's say that I wrote a highly critical post about an product manufactured and sold in the UK which Brad allowed to appear on this site. The manufacturer reads the post and believes my criticisms to be unjustified because they are based on false information, a misunderstanding of what that product is supposed to do or another serious material difference. (S)he then has a number of options. 1 - ask Brad to remove the post. It's his site, running on his equipment and therefore his decision. What if he says no? I guess that option 2 would be for that hypothetical UK company to go all the way to Texas, hire a US lawyer and try to get a court order for the post to be removed. That would be far too expensive for many small companies. Option 2 - go to all the ISPs operating in the UK and ask them to block Film Tech. That would mean contacting hundreds of organisations and would to all intents and purposes be impossible.

Finally, they could just sue me, which I'm pretty sure is what they'd do. This is exactly what happened recently with www.friendsreunited.co.uk - a site which enables you to make contact with people you were at school with and have lost contact. Someone wrote a post alleging that one of their former teachers was a paedophile - that teacher found out about it, sued the individual and won substantial damages. He didn't even bother with the website owners.

So in this country at least, a precedent seems to have been established whereby an individual is responsible for what he or she publishes on the Internet, not the site operator or ISP. Incidentally, this is different from other media: for example, the case under the Obscene Publications Act when Lady Chatterley's Lover was published was directed against the publisher, not the author.

But there's another aspect to this as well. I sometimes read Film Tech from home in the evenings, but mostly read it at work during coffee breaks and stuff. Were I to post something which could incur civil or criminal liability, my employer would have a pretty good case for alleging that I'd bought it into disrepute. After all, click on the 'who' button above this post and you'll get my work details. I suppose I could try and avoid this possibility by describing myself as a private individual and never mentioning my professional life on this site, but as the whole point of this site is mainly to discuss work practices, this would kind of defeat the object of the exercise.

I'm not trying to say never criticise anyone or anything, but just that it's necessary to think about whether that criticism is constructive or not, and if so to ensure that it's fair and that every effort has been made to ensure that it's based on accurate information.
 


Posted by David Favel (Member # 1125) on 04-04-2002, 05:06 PM:
 
Call me dumb, but wouldn't anything written here be kinda protected by our beloved first amendment,

But if I was to sue you for slandering my beloved Vic 10, New Zealand does not have the First.

Would you still be safe?
 






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