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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 05-08-2002, 09:56 PM:
Can anyone recommend a source for back-lit onesheet display cases?
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 05-08-2002, 10:05 PM:
Hi Mike,
Actually Bass has about the best selection with the most reasonable pricing. They will even make customs on fairly short notice. We'll give you a hell of a deal if you let us know what you want.
Mark @ GTS www.getgts.com
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Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 05-09-2002, 09:41 AM:
I'd recommend checking into a local wood worker and have him give you a quote. Just use a standard light fixture and whatever particle board and laminate you want. Then the dimensions can be whatever you want them to be. The frame of course you can order from a supplier. If you find an Amish population, or the like, you may find yourself a good deal. It seems to me that in the theatre industry, people like to charge a premium for "specialty" items, so someone local may give you a surprise.------------------
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Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 05-09-2002, 11:34 AM:
Chad, I don't think using wood for an enclosed heat producing fixture would be safe or pass code. I know I would not want to save a dime if it involved a chance of burning the building down. Ballasts do go bad, and wiring does decay. Sometimes those "premium charges" cover development, testing, certification, and insurance.
Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 05-11-2002, 09:55 AM:
Jerry -You have a valid concern, I suppose, but all our back-lit cases are wood, with flourescant fixtures and diffusers installed on the inside and a metal one-sheet frame around the outside. They look and work great. Besides, if bad wiring or ballasts regularly caused fire problems, you wouldn't see any buildings anywhere with lights in ceiling tiles, or any dry wall or carpet or wood anywhere for that matter. I think the development, testing, certification, and insurance go into the fixtures and ballasts when they are made, not what you put them in.
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Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 05-11-2002, 03:39 PM:
I'm sure that hand made cases can look great, and that the chance of an electrical problem is small. I still would not recommend them, as overheating could happen in a hidden area and not be immediately noticed. In fairness, if you are using shop-light style florescent fixtures, they already have some safety built in, but I would hope that there are at least some substantial vents to prevent heat build-up.As for ceiling lights and wallboard, drop ceiling fixtures are specced NOT to have insulation around them or be surrounded by flammable material unless they have an approved design. Wallboard is not combustable, and in fact is a fire retardant. The gypsum compound in wallboard breaks down with relatively low heat, and the major byproduct is steam. That means that until all of the wallboard has changed state, nothing on the other side of a sheet of wallboard can get above 212 degrees F. Fire safes are made from layers of gypsum board or plaster of paris for just this reason.
Cost of development has to be amortized over a product run. By the time amortization wears out, usually inflation works to keep the price of the product just as high unless there are other cost savings factors at work.
I understand your point that things seem to be working out well for you, but by the same token I could just as easily describe how to make a wooden lamphouse for xenon short arcs. It would work, and probably never have a problem, but wood is just not as well adapted for the job as metal.
For the few extra bucks to get a professionally made display, the added safety is worth the expense. Also, there are a number of dead theatres now, and picking up used cases on the cheap should be possible.
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 05-11-2002, 05:06 PM:
Jerry said"I understand your point that things seem to be working out well for you, but by the same token I could just as easily describe how to make a wooden lamphouse for xenon short arcs. It would work, and probably never have a problem, but wood is just not as well adapted for the job as metal" Well under the metal cladding on Kniesley Xenex's is particle board
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 05-11-2002, 05:26 PM:
A display case made entirely out of wood is not something that would be approved of by National Electric Code and certainly would not be judged as safe for use by a listing authority like Underwriters Laboratories. You might be able to laminate wood paneling over a metal case to create a more organic kind of look. However, the general design convention is to have a low profile case in either black or some architectural dark bronze color.
Metal and types of plastic are much better for use in various point-of-purchase displays, such as a poster case. With something like an aluminum extrusion kit, you can incorporate all the electronics, lighting, ballast, etc. into a self contained unit. The case will be heavier and a bit thicker, but the upshot is you'll only need to make one wall penetration for electrical conduit to conceal the power source. Using a thinner case made of plastic might require things like the transformer to be remote mounted up in the drop ceiling (this is a pretty common item with neon signs mounted on clear acrylic).
Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 05-11-2002, 05:30 PM:
The Kneisley is safely cladded in metal so the particle board is a good heat insulator....Rank Megaron plastic body lamphouse which the xenon bulb UV had fun destroying is another matter. Bob Baron at BASS Industries does great work, both custom and standard catalog items. Insurance & liability costs can be a heavy item in a industry like ours where the mass consumer type production is not normal.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com