Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE: Audiogalaxy joins Napster

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Posted by Michael Barry (Member # 237) on 06-18-2002, 11:37 AM:

It's official - the RIAA have got to Audiogalaxy too. The fact that this was one of the only sources for OOP material doesn't seem to bother them too much.

Now watch KaZaA get done next.

I guess this means that I'll now have to go out and buy all those OOP CDs...no, wait a moment...

Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 06-18-2002, 12:00 PM:

yesterday was a sad day

Posted by Ron Lacheur (Member # 1126) on 06-18-2002, 12:13 PM:

AudioGalaxy has gone down hill for the last couple of months. All the good titles have an " X " next to them. It's pointless. KaZaa has been mentioned by RIAA as well, and expect to see it's demisal soon.

Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 06-18-2002, 12:26 PM:

I always got the stuff I wanted from Audiogalaxy.
But Kazaa un the other hand.....
more sources needed
more sources needed
more sources needed
searching
more sources needed

Posted by Ken Lackner (Member # 1002) on 06-18-2002, 01:23 PM:

What is KaZaA?????

Posted by Ron Lacheur (Member # 1126) on 06-18-2002, 04:43 PM:

KaZaa is the sister program to Morpheus.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-18-2002, 04:51 PM:

KaZaA is obviously much better than Morpheus because KaZaA has every other letter capitalized and Morpheus does not. Which would you rather use? I know I'd go for the one with every other letter capitalized, since that is all that is needed to prove superiority and I33tness.

Posted by Ken Lackner (Member # 1002) on 06-18-2002, 07:10 PM:

Um, ok....what is Morpheus??

Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 06-18-2002, 07:30 PM:

Morpheus is pretty much the same thing from what ive seen, just a different name.

Posted by Ken Lackner (Member # 1002) on 06-18-2002, 08:08 PM:

I asked what KazAa is because I have no idea. People say it's the same as Morpheus. But telling me that Morpheus is the same as KaZaA does me no good because I don't know what either of them are!

Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 06-18-2002, 08:34 PM:

And we're gonna keep it that way.
mmuuuuahahahahahahahahaha.

Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 06-19-2002, 12:29 AM:

James...you are too cruel.

Boorhahahahahah!

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No, wait: Anakin tells Padme at one point: "I don't like the sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating--not like you. You're soft and smooth." I hadn't heard that before.

- Roger Ebert reviewing Episode 2. :)

Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 06-19-2002, 08:22 AM:

Some links for Ken:

http://www.kazaa.com/en/index.php
http://www.msnbc.com/news/742287.asp

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Posted by Mark Lucas (Member # 791) on 06-19-2002, 04:01 PM:

Oh well. No big loss. I use WinMX. No ugly interface.

Posted by Michael Barry (Member # 237) on 06-20-2002, 12:43 PM:

I heard that the RIAA were going after WinMX next.

Posted by Kyle Caudill (Member # 1252) on 06-20-2002, 12:59 PM:

I use limewire. Part of the gnutella network.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 06-20-2002, 06:22 PM:

The RIAA might as well ban FM music radio (particularly since a lot of MP3 files have about the same level of quality). While they're at it, they might as well go after satellite radio services and music only channels on DSS dishes (especially since I can record the digital audio output stream onto something like MiniDisc).

Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 06-21-2002, 09:24 PM:

Avenues for piracy only hurt things. In my opinion, all places supporting the illegal trade of music, or software, should be shut down.

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Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 06-21-2002, 10:22 PM:

Chad--there are two problems with your argument: 1. Most of these services (at least in the case of Napster and its clones) do not actually provide copyrighted material to anyone. They simply provide a "who has what" directory and a mechanism for peer-to-peer file exchange. It's essentially a very specialized re-implementation of other concepts like web search engines and ftp file transfer. Since providing a search engine isn't (yet) illegal in the US, there is no (legal) reason (save for lobbying by the RIAA) for these directory services to be shut down. 2. File-transfer and directory services have numerous legitimate non-infringing uses, such as for the transfer of files which are either old enough to have fallen into the public domain or which have been explicity permitted to be distributed freely by their copyright owners. The existance of substantial non-infringing uses for these services is also reason enough not to use legal means to shut them down.

I'm not intimately familiar with how KaZaA, audiogalaxy, etc. work, so I can't comment on them specifically, but if they're anything like Napster, I don't see any legitimate reason to shut them down legally. I would _not_ want to become involved in any way with a company which knowingly profited from widespread copyright infringement, but I also don't think that these services should be shut down by the courts.

I don't condone piracy of any type, but I don't want to see technological progress influenced by heavy political contributors who do not fully understand the implications of their actions. Think about how hard the MPAA tried to kill the Sony Betamax and then consider how much profit its members have derived from videotape and DVD sales. If we ban everything that could possibly be used to violate copyrights, then we should be prepared to live in a world without tape recorders, xerox machines, paper, pens, printing presses, cameras, etc.

Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 06-22-2002, 04:09 PM:

Scott said, "Most of these services ... do not actually provide copyrighted material to anyone."

That's why I said 'avenues for piracy' which is what they are. Tape recorders, xerox machines, paper, pens, printing presses, cameras, etc. have never had the wide spread capabilities our internet does, so its a whole different game. And like CD burners, there are legitimate legal uses for those products, so they have flourished. The examples you gave of old files and permitted files being made available could easily be done through web pages providing these types of files legally. There are no legal offerings Napster gives that cannot easily be compensated for through regular web pages. Currently, there are no viable alternatives for "tape recorders, xerox machines, paper, pens, printing presses, cameras, etc." There are plenty of alternatives for the types of files you mentioned.
You say you don't condone piracy of any type, but that's what these programs encourage.

Its kind of like if every month, there were a huge convention where thousands of people got together and brought all their music and copied off what they wanted. You can bet that the arena they used would be stopped from hosting such activities. Only here its not thousands, its billions around the world. Napster and others are the arenas.

I look at it like this. The people who have spent years working hard to make it in the music industry are losing money because of sites like Napster. Real money, not like friends dubbing tapes from each other. Millions of downloads a day for free. I realize that bands don't make much off album sales, but they do make a little, and sale numbers give them leverage for what they get for tours. They have worked hard for the recognition they have finally achieved, and thus are entitled to the rewards. I would think some of our guitar toting participants would agree. If a band wants to make its songs available for free, fine, throw them on their web page. Easy as that.

It boils down to the trend of wanting something for nothing, and now we have the technoloy to do it on a very, very large scale. I hope you don't feel the same about people sneaking in the exit doors of theatres.

Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 06-24-2002, 10:59 AM:

The MPAA site has quite a bit of information:
http://www.mpaa.org/anti-piracy/index.htm
http://www.mpaa.org/Press/

Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 07-09-2002, 07:07 PM:

Bumping this up top for the latest news of hypocritical behavior by the "Greedy Record Industry".

In this case a somebody has blown the whistle: Janis Ian, who hit big with "Society's Child" in 1967 and "At Seventeen" in 1975.