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Posted by Bernard Tonks (Member # 809) on 08-09-2002, 09:52 AM:
 
Anyone in the UK or visiting, that likes the Old World of steam power should visit Hollycombe, isolated high up in the most beautiful countryside. There is a vast working collection of a Steam Fairground, Steam Railways, with an original station and signal boxes, Traction Engines,...and much more!

The whole of the Steam Fairground is original and restored dating back to the Edwardian times. One of the oldest attractions of 1908 is the Razzle Dazzle, regarded as the world’s first ‘White Knuckle’ ride. The Big Wheel built around 1914 is one of the most popular attractions.

The only reconstruction dating from 1895 – early 1900s is the BIOSCOPE, claimed to be the only working bioscope in the world. There is however on the magnificent frontage an organ that was on an original bioscope. On the right side of the entrance is the traction engine to drive the electricity.

Unfortunately I was unable to see any films, as the Bioscope only operates on Sundays due to staffing. I will visit again and see if it is possible to take some pictures suitable for posting.

The huge Entrance Pillars, a further pair stands in the car park, are from Victoria railway station, and the heavy metal gates from Waterloo railway station.

Terrific atmosphere and highly recommended!
www.hollycombe.co.uk



 


Posted by Mark Lensenmayer (Member # 134) on 08-09-2002, 07:41 PM:
 
Old steam engines are amazing things. They are extremely quiet and very powerful. AND they will run on about anything the combusts.

I had a manual once for a RUMELEY OIL PULL, a machine with a distinctive square smokestack. In the manual, they said that this machine could even run on some forms of dirt! It it burns, it will pretty much run in a steam engine.

Unfortunately, we had a fatal incident in northern Ohio last year, where one of the machines exploded. I believe an inexperienced operator had let the water run out, and the thing just overheated.

They are fascinating to watch, though. Worth checking out if one comes to your area.


 


Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-09-2002, 10:13 PM:
 
In Illinois there are some really neat engine shows, one outside of Sycamore usually had in the order of 20 to 30 traction engines. Every day they had a traction engine parade with steam traction and antique gas tractors. Its alot of fun to go to it. I think Steve K and I went on more than one occasion. I used to ahev a small collection of hit and miss gas engines that were alot of fun to monkey with. They all have that great gloopda, gloopda, bang...gloopada, gloopada bang sound to them when they run. Some folks brought huge 25 and 30 HP hit and miss gas engines to that show as well. I can remember them turning the huge flywheel by hand to get it to kick over and start. Some sweated for hours to get em going. Here is a picture of the Oilpull.....
Mark




 


Posted by Mark Lensenmayer (Member # 134) on 08-10-2002, 08:06 AM:
 
Mark,

Thanks...that's the OilPull all right.

There are fewer and fewer of these around, and few with the expertise to run them. Great mechanical devices, though.


 


Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 08-11-2002, 02:00 AM:
 
Today it is truly a lost of art of engineering, craftsmanship and designing....How sad.

Those old hit-and-miss engines run forever, if you can manage to get them started.

Once a year, there is a huge antique engine show, from hit-and-miss engines to hot air engines, and everything else you can imagine.

The next one that is held, I will snag some pictures and send them in to Brad for posting.


 


Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-11-2002, 10:52 AM:
 
Hey Paul,
When is the next show and where? Now that I have some time off perhaps I'll come up for a visit, and see my sister...
Mark
 
Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 08-11-2002, 03:04 PM:
 
It was quite common for early cinemas to not have mains electricity. Many used Crossley gas engines to drive dynamos to power their arc lamps. The projectors themselves were generally hand cranked at this time, and general lighting was by gas.
http://website.lineone.net/~pitstonemus/CROSSL.htm

Shows a picture of an engine once installed, but not used, for this purpose.

The Black Country Museum, at Dudley, near Birmingham, in the English midlands have re-built on their site a small, early cinema from nearby. This still contains a gas engine, which can be run, but does not power the equipment.

They are at: http://www.bclm.co.uk/

The cinema is mentioned, but there is no photograph of it yet.

This place still has its gas lit house lights, operated by a rod from the projection room!

They do show film there, but only from a 16mm portable machine.


 


Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 08-12-2002, 04:25 AM:
 
Mark, I missed the last two up here. The last one was in the early part of the year or late last year at the Burlington Mall. I remember reading it in the paper, but that's about it.

Did you ever see a little 10-inch fan powered by a little bitty two cylinder engine? The pistons were about 3/4 of an inch in diameter. That thing was running, and it was kinda cute!

All those hit-and miss KaPOOPA engines were open crankcase type of engines, and were fun to watch them bounce around on springs when the cylinder fired. Those things have some torque! Big piston-long stroke engines.

There was also a steam engine show with a bunch of small steam engines. They had one running and it was connected to a rock crusher by a drive belt like the farm tractors used to power their stationary equipment. It sounded cool...

PoopPoopPoopPoop while the rock crusher went MunchMunchMunchMunch....

Since it only had a boiler pressure of about 70 lbs, it schlobbered alot... Wet steam....IKK!



 


Posted by Bernard Tonks (Member # 809) on 08-12-2002, 08:15 AM:
 
I went back to Hollycombe yesterday, so I might be able to post a couple of photographs, providing they come out alright as there was no sun and the weather was rather dull. Sunday is the best day to visit with the many added attractions, and the Bioscope is open.


 


Posted by Matthew Bailey (Member # 601) on 08-12-2002, 10:07 AM:
 
How about connecting a Simplex by belts to a clutched overhead shaft?
Or at lesat power the sound & projection equipment from a generatr belt driven by the power take off of a model WC Allis-Chalmers tractor? Roger Welsch works on this model & brand of tractor. Two particular books he has are OLD TRACTORS & THE MEN WHO LOVE THEM & BUSTED TRACTORS & RUSTY KNUCKLES. My book would be called BUSTED PROJECTORS & RUSTY,GREASY KNUCKLES.
 
Posted by Bernard Tonks (Member # 809) on 08-15-2002, 10:15 AM:
 

Burrel Showman's Road Locomotive, built 1895.

No details available.

Hunslet 0-4-0 saddle engine, built 1896


 


Posted by Bernard Tonks (Member # 809) on 08-15-2002, 10:20 AM:
 

Clayton & Shuttleworth portable engine, built 1911.


The Bioscope. Super 8mm or 16mm is used.


 


Posted by Pete Naples (Member # 761) on 08-15-2002, 10:49 AM:
 
Fantastic Bernard!

There was a 'wheels of yesteryear' show up here a few weeks back. No traction engines, but loads of stationary engines, powering pumps, generators etc.

I've come across a few old cinemas that still had generator sets installed. One in Peterhead springs to mind. I think the ABC in Edinburgh had one too, sadly now demolished.

A pal of my dads runs a canal boat repair business, which is booming as I understand he's the only boat yard that will touch steam engines. Barges have been brought from Holland for his attention in recent years.
 


Posted by Bernard Tonks (Member # 809) on 08-15-2002, 03:56 PM:
 
I was fortunate to work in two cinemas where the arc lamps were run off generators, they were really massive and there were two of them, alternated weekly. The ones from the Regal, Kingston-upon-Thames were later sold to a television station. The other cinema I worked with two generators was the Carlton Theatre, Haymarket. Always a beautiful smooth light, you never had to adjust the carbons during the 20 minute reels.

The Rex, Haslemere had two generators driven by two 50 h.p Diesel Engines. Only a few years before closure were the DC generators driven by electric traction.



 


Posted by Dick Prather (Member # 1136) on 08-15-2002, 04:28 PM:
 
Annual steamup at antique powerland was held the last weekend in July and first weekend of August this year. Lots of neat stuff including operating streetcars, fire trucks and all kind of working steam equipment. I was told both weekends together had close to 20,000 people. Located just north of Salem, OR at Brooks.
 
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 08-16-2002, 04:05 AM:
 
Dick, you should recognize this one. It lives in Portland.

This engine is a product of Lima Locomotive Works in Lima, Ohio. She was erected in the year of 1941. It is the only surviver of the GS-4 Class Locomotives. It is of the 4-8-4 wheel configuration, and has 80-inch drivers.

I understand a gentleman by the name of Doyle McCormick spearheaded the restoration of this magnificant machine, and Doyle is her main engineer. I am a steam locomotive chaser, and this locomotive came through Mount Vernon, Washington about 1996. When she cleared town and headed for the tracks that have a 79 mile per hour speed limit, she out-ran me because the I-5 freeway traffic was locked in at about 75 MPH that day.

She made another trip through Washington State in March of this year.

Here is a picture of her in the orginal "Daylight Express" colors in 1998.

Credit for the pictures goes to "Friends of SP-4449" website. http://www.4449.com/

Engine Specifications

Length: 101' 5" Height 16' 2" Width 10' 10"

Drivers: 80" Dia. Weight on Drivers: 275,700 lb.

Locomotive Weight: 475,000 lb. Locomotive & Tender Weight: 865,758 lb.

Cylinders: (2) 25.5" x 32" Tractive Effort: 64,800 lb. Tractive Effort with Booster: 77,760 lb.

Tender Capacity, Water: 23,300 gals. Tender Capacity, Fuel Oil : 5,880 gals.

Impressive, huh? If the specifications were dry weight, and you add the weight of the fuel oil a and water, this machine weighs a total of about 549.5 tons.

Josh, this engine was pulling the "American Freedom" train that came through Fargo, North Dakota in 1975. Ask your dad, he might remember it. As with everywhere else, the whole town probably turned out to see it rumble through.


 


Posted by Dick Prather (Member # 1136) on 08-20-2002, 03:36 AM:
 
Paul,
I sure do know it. I use to work in back of the SP roundhouse in SE Portland and every now and then we would sneek over to get a look at it. Nothing sounds like a steam whistle. The Daylight colors picture is west of Union Station by the Broadway Bridge in Portland.
Dick
 




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