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Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 08-16-2002, 12:52 PM:
Sex & Lucia opens today in Seattle but the city's 2 daily newspapers have banned ads for the picture. The excuse given? "We put this newspaper in classrooms. It's really about having standards for advertising content."As usual, Landmark Theatres doesn't fight this act of corporate censorship.
The kicker is that Sex & Lucia won an award in a film festival where one of the offending newspapers was a corporate sponsor.
Posted by Chad Souder (Member # 343) on 08-17-2002, 08:26 AM:
These are probably the same classrooms that are teaching the kids about sex in 4th grade anyway. ------------------
"Asleep at the switch? I wasn't asleep, I was drunk!" - Homer Simpson
Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 08-17-2002, 08:49 AM:
It says that the film is unrated. There you go. A lot of theatres won't play movies that are unrated or NC-17. A lot of companies won't even carry advertising for these movies. It doesn't matter WHY it's unrated or NC-17. They are just a "mark of death" to most movies like that.
Posted by Thomas Procyk (Member # 1170) on 08-17-2002, 10:54 AM:
I never understood why some theaters treated ALL not-rated movies as if they were NC-17. (No children under 17. Period. With or without parents.) While a lot of unrated arthouse product can be risque, what about those occasional documentaries, biographies or classics that come along? While on the topic of classics, I noticed when GWTW was re-released in 1998, it had a "G" rating. So a film about the civil war, slavery, adultery, and a scene where a woman shoots a man point blank in the face gets a "G"?!?! So if GWTW remained unrated as it was in 1939, nobody under 17 would be allowed to see it at some of those theaters. However, since they slapped a G on it, a 6-year old can walk up and get a ticket by themselves. Go figure.
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Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 08-17-2002, 11:44 AM:
Actually, if GWTW was re-rated today, it probably would have ended up with a PG or maybe even a PG-13. The G rating was awarded back in 1968 shortly after the ratings system debuted. The film was in a 70mm roadshow re-release at the time. Once a film is given a rating, as long as it remains in the version that was rated, it can keep that rating regardless of changing mores. Many films were given G's back at that time that today would be more strongly viewed. OLIVER, with its off screen beating death of a woman and child in jeopardy was also a G. Funny Girl, Ice Station Zebra, and many other roadshow films were also G.
Even True Grit, originally an M, was re-rated G after cutting out the word "Damn." However, the explicit shot of a man getting his fingers shot off remained in the film.When WB re-released the "uncut" version of The Wild Bunch, the ratings board initially hit it with an NC-17. Strangely, the scenes that had been cut in the first place had no additional violence than the original R cut, which shows that standards of violence have been toughened up since the 60's. WB's saving grace was finding the documentation that proved the R had been given to The Wild Bunch before the general release version cuts had been made, so the MPAA rules allowed this version to retain the R rating.
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 08-17-2002, 01:04 PM:
Randy: Many chains played Y Tu Mama Tambien even though it didn't carry an MPAA rating. Some of those chains also played the NC-17 picture L.I.E.The ad ban on Sex & Lucia smells of a double standard.
Posted by Arthur Allen (Member # 969) on 08-19-2002, 12:07 PM:
The Seattle Times has had a history of altering naughty movie advertising. A movie called "The Last American Virgin" got changed to "The Last American NICE GIRL," with a newspaper headline font crudely superimposed on the original advertising artwork. The day after that ran, they changed the title to "Call Theater for Title," presumably after they found out the virgin in question was a boy. You didn't even have to call the theater for the title either, just look over at the regular text movie listings and there it was. Later the movie "Puberty Blues" got changed to "Growing Up Blues," and "Sammie and Rosie Get Laid" was changed to "Sammy and Rosie." Later the newspaper said that the local chain running that movie submitted the advertising that way. Based on the Times' track record, I'm not surprised.Strangely, the Times' former competitor, the P-I, used to run ads for X-rated theaters; until the two papers advertising departments merged in a Joint Operating Agreement. Back in 1981 my junior high social studies class used the P-I in an assignment, and one of the tasks was to find a G or X-rated movie advertisement and add it to our clippings for the assignemnt. According to the Times' spokesperson, I should have been warped for life for that. 
Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 08-19-2002, 10:36 PM:
Of course it's a double standard! 
We had the movie, "Escape from LA", which had nothing more than "A-Team type violence" and got an "R" simply because of ONE SINGLE occurrence of the "F-Word".
Posted by Bill Enos (Member # 440) on 08-21-2002, 11:06 PM:
Film ratings pg-13, NC-17, etc. are the property of MPAA and are copyrighted. Non members may not use them withoutpermission.
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 08-23-2002, 11:53 AM:
The ad ban on Sex & Lucia is a double standard because the Seattle papers ran ads for Y Tu Mama Tambien.Then again it's good to see a "Film Snob" admire The Fast and the Furious. 
Posted by Bill Gabel (Member # 1105) on 08-23-2002, 12:21 PM:
Sometimes a theatre can not book a film because of the rating (NC-17
X ). At some theatre locations it is written in the lease between the
property owner and the theatre chain, that they can not play rated X
adult films. Its a matter of wording rated X or NC-17 or adult X. Most of these leases were done before MPAA, changed X to NC-17. If a film maker or studio does not like the rating they got, they can
appeal the rating. In Los Angeles the appeal screening is done at a
screening room other than the MPAA screening room in Sherman Oaks, Ca.. They run the film and afterwords talk for about 1-2 hours about
the cuts that were done to the film. Most of the time the director
or studio rep. is waiting in the lobby of the screening room. The directors would try to come into the booth to see what was happening
in the other auditorium. When I was in Los Angeles, I worked at a screening room in Beverly Hills that did all the MPAA appeals screenings. So I saw a few MPAA ratings appeals, every few months.
Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 08-23-2002, 12:41 PM:
>>The ad ban on Sex & Lucia is a double standard because the Seattle papers ran ads for Y Tu Mama Tambien<<Perhaps it is because the paper will not allow print ads for anything containing the word 'SEX'?
Y Tu Mama Tambien (and your mother too) and L.I.E., while both containing very graphic sexual material, do not have the magic word 'SEX' in their titles.
-Aaron
Posted by Barry Floyd (Member # 385) on 08-23-2002, 12:53 PM:
Sex is a taboo topic in this little town where we're building our drive-in. In the sales contract for the land, there is a "covenant" in the deed that will prevent us from ever showing any movie rated harder than "R". The land we bought was city owned... and the Mayor and Town Council would only agree to the terms of the sale if that "covenant" was included.
As far as banning the ad in the local paper.... In the main Nashville newspaper, the ads for the local "Strip Joints" and "Gentlemen's Clubs" have graphics and things that no one would dare place on a movie poster... and they run those ads 7 days a week.
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 08-24-2002, 03:49 PM:
quote:
that will prevent us from ever showing any movie rated harder than "R".
Pun intended?
As for Sex and Lucia being unrated, I'd say that it was overrated. When will these people ever learn that kicking off a censorship issue is guaranteed to make people want to see it? Crash, Romance and all the rest of them would surely have disappeared without trace - which they surely deserved to do, because they are shite films - if it weren't for those elements of the religious right who chose to turn them into causes-celébres and by doing so increase the audience and thus shoot themselves in the foot.
Posted by Peter Kerchinsky (Member # 1098) on 08-25-2002, 05:06 AM:
Go to www.seattletimes.com
there is a so-called explaination for them not running ads for S&L in the two Seattle papers in the Sunday edition.
Posted by Peter Kerchinsky (Member # 1098) on 08-25-2002, 05:09 AM:
Correction to previous thread
click on the local news on the left side and scroll down about 3 stories. It's an article by Francher.
Posted by Arthur Allen (Member # 969) on 08-27-2002, 04:59 PM:
'Sex and Lucia' flap: Why ad and news decisions are separate'Sex and Lucia': Ad flap raises concerns
Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 08-28-2002, 07:29 PM:
Barry said:
>In the sales contract for the land, there is a "covenant" in the deed that will prevent us from ever showing
>any movie rated harder than "R". The land we bought was city owned... and the Mayor and Town Council would
>only agree to the terms of the sale if that "covenant" was included.I'm not an attorney but I think you can safely ignore that provision on First Ammendment grounds. If you were buying from a private seller perhaps they (I don't know what covenants are enforceable and what are not...for example anything about race or ethnicity would be unenforceable) could enforce it since the First Amendment prevents government intrusions on free speech but has no bearing on restrictions privately agreed to. But since you bought it from the city if they took action against you for violating the covenant I do believe they would be tossed out on their ear.
Also working in your favor is the fact that the MPAA rating is a private classification mark and while there's no doubt that some towns try to incorporate into rules affecting movie theatre operations I doubt those would stand up to a challenge since that gives a private entity a law-making function.