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Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 08-20-2002, 12:48 PM:
 
Walt Disney's "SLEEPING BEAUTY" opens at the El Capitan on Thursday with a brand new 70mm print. The short subject, "GRAND CANYON will once again play with it. I have seen "SLEEPING BEAUTY" in 70mm in a theatre three times and "GRAND CANYON" was always shown with it but the short was always a 35mm print. I was always curious why Disney never bothered to make a 70mm blow up print and remaster the sound to six track instead of the four track mag. Can anyone tell me if there are plans for Disney to allow more theatres that are still set up for 70mm to show this classic?

I feel that it is wonderful that classic 70mm films like "2001", LAWRENCE OF ARABIA" and "SLEEPING BEAUTY" are once again being shown in their original film format in theatres but it is not right that the showing are limited to only a few large cities. I will pay any reasonable amount to see some of my favorite 70mm films again which includes "MY FAIR LADY", "THE SOUND OF MUSIC", "AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS", BEN-HUR", "SOUTH PACIFIC" and "THE ALAMO" in one of the only four remaining 70mm equipped theatre in Honolulu.

-Claude


 


Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 08-20-2002, 02:54 PM:
 
The print the el Capitan will be showing is the archival print they struck back in '99 (which has had a couple of other showings at the El Capitan as well as the Long Beach Widescreen Film fest.) Because of its archival status, my guess they are extremely cautious as to what theatres they lend it out to.

 
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 08-20-2002, 03:21 PM:
 
Here is a notice posted today on the AMIA newslist:

DISNEY’S ANIMATED CLASSIC SLEEPING BEAUTY REAWAKENS
AT THE EL CAPITAN THEATRE
IN RESTORED ORIGINAL 70 MM WIDESCREEN FORMAT

EXCLUSIVE LIMITED ENGAGEMENT, AUGUST 22ND SEPTEMBER 8TH,
OFFERS SPECIAL ATTRACTIONS FOR FILM BUFFS AND FAMILIES ALIKE


This exclusive two-week engagement of Sleeping Beauty will launch August 22nd at 7:00 p.m. with a special evening featuring a making-of-the-movie panel discussion, programmed especially for film, animation and classical music buffs. The following day and throughout the rest of the run, the film will screen at 12:00 noon, 2:30, 5:00 and 7:00 p.m. daily from August 23rd September 8th.

This special widescreen print of the film also features a restored audio soundtrack that takes maximum advantage of the film’s rich six-track Stereophonic mix and provides the optimal way to hear the magical Academy Award® - nominated score adapted from the immortal music of Tchaikovsky.

Those familiar with Sleeping Beauty know that it took six years for Walt Disney and his talented team of animators to make this masterpiece. On opening night at the El Capitan, the audience will learn how it all came about during a rare panel discussion with some of the filmmakers and assorted experts. Schedule permitting, the line-up includes:

· Mary Costa, the voice of Aurora (or Sleeping Beauty)

· Legendary Disney animator Ollie Johnston, one of Walt’s famed “Nine Old Men” and one of two responsible for bringing the film’s Good Fairy characters to life.


· Andreas Deja, one of today’s top animators and the artist who supervised such memorable characters as Lilo (in the current hit “Lilo & Stitch”), Scar (“The Lion King”), Jafar (“Aladdin”), Gaston (“Beauty and the Beast”) and Hercules. Seeing Sleeping Beauty inspired Andreas to become an animator.


· Musical historian Alex Rannie, a fine musician in his own right, who has extensively researched the musical history of this film.


· Disney restoration expert Scott MacQueen, who has meticulously restored Sleeping Beauty to its original grandeur.


· Veteran animation critic, Charles Solomon, who writes for the Los Angeles
Times, among other publications

· KABC entertainment reporter George Pennacchio, moderator

Ticket prices are $10.00 for adults and $6.50 for seniors, children and matinees, which are the first two shows of the day. Birthday parties are available with a purchase of 20 or more movie tickets, plus a $12.00 party ticket per person. To order tickets in advance, call 1-800-DISNEY6 (1-800-347-6396).
AMIA Members can contact Jill Swartz at jill@currentpr.com or 714-444-9731 ext. 203 to receive a coupon for one free souvenir box of popcorn.


(I recall someone here on Film-Tech was related to the woman who voiced "Aurora")?

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Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 08-20-2002, 04:46 PM:
 
quote:
DISNEY’S ANIMATED CLASSIC SLEEPING BEAUTY REAWAKENS
AT THE EL CAPITAN THEATRE
IN RESTORED ORIGINAL 70 MM WIDESCREEN FORMAT

I don't know anything about the 'El Capitan', but assuming that it is a good theatre, the ticket price is very low. At the moment, "the Ladykillers', and five other Ealing films are having a limited release in the uk, to celebrate the 100th anniversary of Ealing Studios. These films are being shown at various UGC cinemas around the country, including Shaftsbury Avenue, and Ealing, in london. The Ealing cinema opened in the '30s, as the Forum, then became ABC, then, I think, Cannon, then Virgin, now UGC. I have never seen a film there, but I have been on a visit, it is ok, but has been tripled at some time in the past. This is just normal 35mm mono optical sound. The adult ticket price is £8.50 ($12.99 acording to XE.COM). $10 for 70mm, plus the short, plus the opening night discussion, I assume this is included in the price, it doesn't say otherwise, but even if not, has got to be a bargain.

When I came over to the Loew's Jersey I only had to pay $5 for a ticket. American ticket prices are extremely low.


 


Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 08-20-2002, 04:52 PM:
 
This is actually making me consider a plane ride to go see this.

Dave
 


Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 08-20-2002, 04:56 PM:
 
Same thing I was thinking... The El Capitan is a beautifully restored theater with movies, concerts, plays, etc. Used to be the Paramount. It's right across the street from the Chinese, and a few blocks from the Cinerama Dome.

El Capitan web page

El Capitan Interior



 


Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 08-20-2002, 05:07 PM:
 
quote:
Same thing I was thinking... The El Capitan is a beautifully restored theater with movies, concerts, plays, etc. Used to be the Paramount.

I've had a quick look at their web site, for a 70mm show, with the extras, in that sort of theatre, a ticket price of about £10-12 ($15.28-$18.33) would seem reasonable.


 


Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 08-20-2002, 06:38 PM:
 
It is a first-class theatre. They often have live pre-show entertainment and museum displays in the basement lobby.

The restored movie palace re-opened with THE ROCKETEER. I remember going there to see ALADDIN, THE LION KING and THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS.

I would avoid anything on the upper level. The viewing angle is too steep for movie-watching.


 


Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 08-20-2002, 07:34 PM:
 
I was in Los Angeles when "THE ROCKETEER" was playing at the El Capitan in 70mm and my good friend who was Vice President of Theatre Operations for Pacific's Hawaii's division, Consolitated Theatres was good enough to arrange for myself and a guest to attend a free performance at that theatre. The theatre was THX cerified and it was the first and only time I had heard people actually applaud the THX sound trailer. If THX could sound like that in all of the other theatres I attended that was set up for it, I would prefer it to HPS-4000 but none had even even come close to what I heard at the El Capitan that day. I was impressed with the old Paramount Theatre when I saw a movie there in 1961 but the house looked very old and have seen much better days. When I went back to the theatre after it was restored by Disney and Pacific Theatres and given a new name, the El Capitan, the theatre was once again a grand movie palace. Because a smaller screen was installed for DLP, the theatre is no longer THX certified but how is the sound today? Did THX make all the difference or does the sound system still performs exactly the way it did when the El Capitan was THX certified?

-Claude
 


Posted by Bill Gabel (Member # 1105) on 08-20-2002, 08:13 PM:
 
Hi Claude

When I worked the El Capitan it was still a THX house. All the Amps
were located back stage in a caged in area. The booth had two
Century JJ projectors and and AWII platter. It had a Full Boat CP200,
Dolby Digital. The Re & Le speakers were located in the organ grill area of the theatre. But the El Capitan is the new home of the
famous Fox San Francisco theatre pipe organ. They closed the El Capitan for a few months, a few years ago. They made the former THX sound wall flyable, so the theatre could put on big shows on stage. The old wall was around 20 to 25 feet back from the front of the stage. With the wall flyable they can us the entire stage area for shows. It was about that time that the El Capitan stopped using the THX logos. Los Angeles / Hollywood only had one theatre that used the HPS-4000 sound system, the Loew's/Cineplex Century City theatre. If you go in the booth looking for the HPS-4000 processor. You will find it is three cat. 64 cards. The other part of the system is the speakers in the theatre. The theatres in the area were only putting
in THX systems. That one time GCC theatres was going to put a HPS-4000
system in Sherman Oaks, California. But they were having problems
with the way Mr. Allen wanted the system to go in. GCC Sherman Oaks
was a big preview theatre in the area for the studios. The studio's
would have to bring their own cat. 64 cards for screening.


 


Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 08-20-2002, 08:46 PM:
 
Paul Linfesty wrote:
quote:
The print the el Capitan will be showing is the archival print they struck back in '99 (which has had a couple of other showings at the El Capitan as well as the Long Beach Widescreen Film fest.)

Minor quibble...the Long Beach screening was held in 1997, not 1999.

 


Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-20-2002, 11:25 PM:
 
I was on a trip to LA around 1985 to remove the contents of a screening room for a customer back in Chicago. This customer that I worked for at the time was an ardent HPS fan and still is as far as I know. I happened to attend a screening at the Chineese #2 which was one of the added on theatres next door to the original Chineese, now gone. It was equipped with THX and the 70mm screening of Willow which I saw and heard literally blew me away!! And right away from believing any of the HPS hype altogether.

While some THX theatres are either not set up right, or have one problem or another, there are many excellent ones. I have always applauded THX for attempting to set a standard for cinema sound reproduction. No one has or probably will ever attempt this again. Man, when it works, it works incredibly well.

Perhaps with the sale to Creative THX can again get back on both feet. They've been wobbly way to long!
Mark


 


Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 08-21-2002, 12:21 AM:
 
quote:
I happened to attend a screening at the Chineese #2 which was one of the added on theatres next door to the original Chineese, now gone. It was equipped with THX and the 70mm screening of Willow which I saw and heard literally blew me away!! And right away from believing any of the HPS hype altogether.

Finally, something good is said about the Chinese! And to think that a lot of people have felt the presentations at the Chinese were substandard! Though you did mention Screen #2 rather than Screen #1. Aah, that could've made the difference!

Actually, WILLOW opened on Screen #1, but was bumped over to Screen #2 (and 3) upon the release of CROCODILE DUNDEE II a week later. DUNDEE played in 35mm on Screen #1 and the 70mm engagement of WILLOW ended up on Screen #2, with a second 70mm engagement added for Screen 3. I always thought it would've made more sense from a booking standpoint to have kept the 70 of WILLOW in #1 and played two 35s of DUNDEE on #2 and #3, especially since the two smaller screens were each roughly half the size of the main auditorium. (Aren't the rental terms often different with 70mm? Higher advance booking fees, different rental terms, etc.) But then the Chinese is a prestige theater, particularly the main, original auditorium, so DUNDEE (which was expected to perform better than WILLOW...which it did) probably made more sense to play in the main auditorium.

I've never understood why so many people bash the presentation quality at the Chinese. I've seen so many incredible presentations there. And not just the obvious 70mm shows (which is an endless list). I can recall a few 35mm-Dolby SR shows (ROBOCOP and U2: RATTLE AND HUM come to mind) that could've fooled many into thinking they were experiencing a 70mm six-track presentation. Now how much of that was a result of THX???


quote:
I was on a trip to LA around 1985

1985? Then you didn't see WILLOW on that visit to L.A.


 


Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 08-21-2002, 12:56 AM:
 
Crocodile Dundee II and Willow were both released in 1988.
 
Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 08-21-2002, 12:56 AM:
 
The one and only time I had an opportunity to enjoy a film at the Grauman's Chinese Theatre as it was known at that time was a road show presentation of "WESTSIDE STORY" in Panavision 70mm on December 31, 1961 and what a show it was! I bought tickets weeks in advance when I was studying photography in Santa Barbara. How did I remember the date so well, you ask? It was because of the smashing good time I had with some Hawaiian friends at their New Years eve party in Pasadena after I saw the movie.
-Claude
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-21-2002, 04:02 AM:
 
I stand corrected on that date, it had to be as Darryl said, 1988. Seems alot longer ago to me though.
I was always impressed in Chineese #1's presentations too. Its really a shame that booth on the main floor is now gone. I tourd that booth in 85. I have pics around here someplace that I'll post tommrrow.
Mark
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 08-21-2002, 07:58 AM:
 
Mark wrote:
quote:
I happened to attend a screening at the Chineese #2 which was one of the added on theatres next door to the original Chineese, now gone.

Mann's Chinese #1 is "now gone" ??? WTF!?

I loved the Chinese theatre. When I was a California resident, it was one of my favorite places to see a movie. I would never bash their presentations. In fact, I took a special delight in taking people there for their first time. Always a jaw-dropping experience for the uninitiate.

~Manny (just do it.)


 


Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 08-21-2002, 08:42 AM:
 
No, the original Grauman's Chinese was recently renovated (new screen, new lobby, booth moved back upstairs), and a new Mann six-plex built next door in the Hollywood and Highland development that includes the new Kodak Theatre:
http://mann.moviefone.com/services/graumanmain.adp
http://www.hollywoodandhighland.com/entercinema.html
http://www.kodaktheatre.com/

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Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
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Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 08-21-2002, 10:58 AM:
 
Mike Coate said (about the Chinese): "I can recall a few 35mm-Dolby SR shows (ROBOCOP and U2: RATTLE AND HUM come to mind) that could've fooled many into thinking they were experiencing a 70mm six-track presentation. Now how much of that was a result of THX???"

Re: Rattle and Hum. I too saw it in 35mm Dolby SR. I think it was at the then-new Edwards Hutton Center. This was a THX-certified auditorium. I was really amazed at how good the optical sound was. When everything is working right, SR can be very very good indeed. They had the volume cranked to concert levels, and there was no sign of audible stress on the system...

Re: THX. I've said it before, will say it again. When THX is done right and with care in a movie theater, it really does raise the bar. Sure, there are allegedly-THX-certified theaters that are crappy, but in my experience, most THX theaters make a big contribution to experiencing "film done right".


 


Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 08-21-2002, 11:11 AM:
 
Claude wrote:

quote:
Because a smaller screen was installed for DLP, the theatre is no longer THX certified but how is the sound today?

The El Capitan lost THX certification because much of the barriers behind the screen were removed when the stage was restored to full usage (hangings, riggings, light beams, etc.)

They never installed a smaller screen. They merely masked down their current screen for the showing of "Mission to Mars" which appeared letterboxed within the confines of their normal 1.85 setting. I have seen no other scope DLP presentations there, so I don't know if this is still the case. The DLP showing of The Emperor's New Groove was shown on their standard 1.85 screen, and looked excellent (yes, i DO realize this originated from digital files). Mission to Mars looked like a film that used a normal telecine to tape transfer, instead of being scanned directly to digital files, but what do I know? Certainly, DLP can show sucessfully on a larger screen, as I witnessed at the Ziegfeld and others saw at the Chinese.
 


Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 08-21-2002, 11:23 AM:
 
Here is a link to the article in the L.A. Times.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/printedition/calendar/la-et-king21aug21002055.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dcalendar

As Michael Coate pointed out, my date for restoration was wrong. It was 5 years ago, not in 1999.

But the article is wrong in several areas. Sleeping Beauty was not filmed in 70 millimeter and three strip Technicolor. It did use Disney's usual 3 primary color exposure system on B&W film with horizontal Technirama cameras. The 70mm prints were of course on standard Eastman printing stock, with 35mm scope prints being IB Technicolor.

Also, the article quotes a Disney rep that says this is the first time it has played at the El Capitan in 70mm. This may very well be true, but if so, then the ad for a children's matinee earlier this year stating the showing was in 70mm was wrong. Certainly not the first time that has happened.
 


Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 08-21-2002, 03:04 PM:
 
quote:
As Michael Coate pointed out, my date for restoration was wrong. It was 5 years ago, not in 1999.

Sorry to have been so nit-picky about dates. It's just that I find it easy to remember details like that with a film such as SLEEPING BEAUTY because when that 1997 Long Beach one-time-only screening of the new 70mm print was announced I jumped at the chance to attend. You see, I had wanted to see that film in 70mm for many years and had been disappointed on two earlier occasions: 1986 and 1988. (I was born after the original 1959 release, and was living out of the country during its 1979 re-release.) Being a Southern California resident I was disappointed to find that for the 1986 nationwide re-release the New York area was advertising a 70mm engagement but L.A. was 35mm-only. During the fall of 1988, the Cinerama Dome ran a 25th anniversary festival of several films that had played there over the years, SLEEPING BEAUTY being one of them. Due to travel and time contraints I was unable to attend every screening (doesn't that always seem to be the case?) but still somehow managed to attend a few. I passed on SLEEPING BEAUTY because I placed an emphasis on trying to see as many of the films in the fest advertised in 70mm as well as those films shown on "Spielberg Day." Anyway, I was informed after the event that the print they ran of SLEEPING BEAUTY was 70mm. Too bad they didn't advertise it as I would have made an extra effort to attend. (Their screening of BACK TO THE FUTURE from "Spielberg Day" also turned out to be 70mm despite not being noted as such in their ads and programs.) So to make a long story short, I made an extra effort to see SLEEPING BEAUTY in 1997, and was glad I did. Super sharp image...incredibly vibrant color....and since it was a brand new print it wasn't riddled with scratches and splices like too many modern-day 70mm presentations of older films.


quote:
the article quotes a Disney rep that says this is the first time it has played at the El Capitan in 70mm. This may very well be true, but if so, then the ad for a children's matinee earlier this year stating the showing was in 70mm was wrong.

Unless this upcoming engagement is a NEW and DIFFERENT 70mm print, then it *has* played at the El Capitan previously. It's no surprise that company reps can't get the facts straight. When they ran the film earlier in the year, they mentioned to the audience that that screening was the first time the film had been shown in a theater since 1986. Well, what about the two screenings I mentioned above??? And that's just for Los Angeles; it's bound to have been shown elsewhere on occasion.


 


Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 08-21-2002, 05:04 PM:
 
The last time I saw "SLEEPING BEAUTY" was about 1979 when the film was released to a lot of theatres with both 35mm and 70mm prints. The now defunct Royal Theatre in the Waikiki district of Honolulu was fortunate to book a 70mm print and that was the way I saw it with the 35mm short "GRAND CANYON".

By the way when "SLEEPING BEAUTY" was first released in 1959, ABC did something different when they presented a special television program sponsored by Disney. Selected scenes were shown on the program but instead of images panned and scanned, they were 'letterboxed' in the full 2.35.1 aspect ratio. In addition to that, the sound was simulcast on the ABC radio network. To listen to the sound in stereo, an AM radio was required by placing it about five feet to the right of the TV set. If you compared it to to today's stereo on television and radio, the sound was very primitive but it was awesome at the time when I was privileged to watch that special telecast.

-Claude


 


Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 08-21-2002, 08:36 PM:
 
Hello John P!

Mary Costa is my cousin. She now lives in Knoxville TN, and still sings like a bird.
 


Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 08-21-2002, 09:28 PM:
 
Claude wrote:
quote:
The last time I saw "SLEEPING BEAUTY" was about 1979 when the film was released to a lot of theatres with both 35mm and 70mm prints.

Yes, there was a major re-release that year which included plenty of 70mm prints (there were one or two other re-releases between 1959 and 1979 but I don't recall any 70mm prints being advertised during those releases). Not sure if the '79 re-release was considered a success. Nonetheless, Disney certainly tried to squeeze as much money out of the film as possible by double-billing it with THE BLACK HOLE, which played in several cities at various times throughout 1980 and 81.


 


Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 08-21-2002, 10:02 PM:
 
I remember the 1959 broadcast ( viewed on a Philco Predicta t.v. ) the radio signal for the other channel was slightly delayed for the first couple of minutes until they managed to bring it into sync....they later blamed it on the coaxial intercity connections on the network feed......and I remember going to see the movie shortly thereafter...good year to be a nine year old
Richard Fowler
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