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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-22-2002, 05:13 PM:
Can someone please tell me where the term "Bollywood" comes from? I know that's what they call Indian movies for some weird reason. But the term "Bollywood" makes no sense whatsoever and I think it may, in fact, make me a bit angry!
It's one of the most moronic terms I have ever heard.It sounds like a 3rd world rip-off of a true quality product. Like Nintedendo. Or Pyoneer. Or Phlem-Tech.
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 08-22-2002, 05:17 PM:
By golly, bolly rhymes with golly! Shee-it. (golly!)
Posted by Jesse Skeen (Member # 586) on 08-22-2002, 05:17 PM:
I believe the "B" is for Bombay, added in place of the "H" in Hollywood, as Bombay is essentially the Hollywood of India as far as movies there are concerned, I guess.
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-22-2002, 05:19 PM:
Their movies aren't worth anything if they can't even muster up a bit of originality!
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 08-22-2002, 05:23 PM:
Aw c'mon Joe! You ever see the opening-credits scene in Ghost World?
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 08-22-2002, 06:16 PM:
Actually several Bollywood titles have made it to the top North American Boxoffice spot All have Dolby Digital and DTS tracks and many are EX releases as well
Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 08-22-2002, 06:20 PM:
India has four major regional film centers with Bombay ( now called Mumbai ) the most well known outside of the country.
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Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 08-22-2002, 06:25 PM:
Of course, there's nothing that original about Bollywood films (Does this term exist in India, or is it what Americans call it?)I saw a couple of weeks ago about 10 minutes of a Bollywood film shot in 3-D with "state-of-the-art" digital effects (LOL!) have to admit, though, the 3-D worked well. It was the U.S.'s Stereovision process. It was shown in conjunction with the Nuart's 3-D film festival.
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 08-22-2002, 06:35 PM:
Bollywood is there own term and in fact they have a digitally animated teaser on the head of most prints for there digital channel called Bollywood 4 YouTHere were several 3d indian films made back in the past 3d boom
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-22-2002, 06:47 PM:
I have seen the "Bollywood" teaser they put on the head of most of their movies. It looks like the Dolby Digital City trailer. No Bollywood movie has ever made it to the top 10 in the US I believe.I'm not saying that we Americans only make good movies (far from true), but I did think "Lagaan" was quite laughable. Of course they win their little softball game and IMMEDIATELY AFTER THEY WIN the drought ends with a single rain storm! I live in Denver and we are in the middle of a drought and it's gonna take more than one rain storm to end it!
I have also noticed that all Bollywood films seem to be musicals. And the lip sync in the songs is always horribly off.
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 08-22-2002, 08:19 PM:
Last summer Mohabbetein and one other the title Tera Mera Saith Hain (i think) went to #1 in north america
Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 08-22-2002, 09:12 PM:
Bolly, Bolly was a girl,Bolly wally had no curl,
Bolly wally wasn't Bolly Wally
Was He?
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 08-22-2002, 09:29 PM:
Okay Bob how many martinis is it
Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 08-22-2002, 11:01 PM:
So if Bombay is now called Mumbai, shouldnt they start calling them MOLLYWOOD?------------------
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Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 08-23-2002, 12:40 AM:
Bollywood films don't even pretend that the actors do their own singing. In their version of the Academy Awards, they actually have nominations for best song dubber, or something to that effect.
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 08-23-2002, 11:47 AM:
That "little softball game" in Lagaan is a cricket match.Last year K3G (Kabhi Kushi Kabhie Gham) reportedly grossed enough to make the US top 10 the weekend after Thanksgiving. However, EDI did not consider the numbers reliable and excluded K3G from the list.
Posted by Gerard S. Cohen (Member # 994) on 08-23-2002, 06:27 PM:
<<Bollywood films don't even pretend that the actors do their own singing. In their version of the Academy Awards, they actually have nominations for best song dubber, or something to that effect.>> They call that "looping", where the voice actor or singer sits at a console and the scene is run shot by shot in closed film loops while the actor or singer records into a microphone over and over, the sound editor selecting the best takes and assembling the whole.
Looping singers and actors often never appear on screen during their entire careers--like some who used to do voices for animated films in the U.S. In India, the female relatives of the famous cinema singer Lota Mangeshka dominated looping for decades.
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-24-2002, 01:36 PM:
Along the same line, what exactly is the difference between anime and animated? At the end of the day, as Dave Letterman would say, "It's a cartoon!"
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-24-2002, 03:09 PM:
Anime just refers to Japanese animation. Any other use of the term is incorrect. Disney cartoons are not anime.
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 08-24-2002, 03:27 PM:
I think there's probably a bit more of a culture gap to contend with than those who market Bollywood features in the West are willing to admit. A couple of years ago I saw Bombay with a couple of Indians, and was struck by a number of things: the film integrated a boy-meets-girl melodrama narrative with a political undercurrent about tensions between Hindus and Muslims and some choreographed musical numbers that seemed to have been done in a Busby Berkeley style.My Indian friends told me that it was not at all unusual or remarkable to have a Bollywood film which dealt with some very serious issues of racial tension but interspersed musical numbers 'for light relief'. I can see the logic of this in a way, but it's not something that Western film-makers would normally do at all. They also pointed out that the Indian film-makers that have become very popular with Western arthouse audiences - e.g. Satyajit Ray or Mira Nair - never achieved real success in India itself.
Posted by Gerard S. Cohen (Member # 994) on 08-24-2002, 04:15 PM:
On a visit to Bombay in the 60's, a filmmaker from NY and I took a train to the big studios outside Bombay, where we were approached by a cigar-smoking "middleman" dressed in plaids like a Bollywood comedian. He offered us a peek inside the studio. We soon found ourselves in the dressing room of Sharmila Tagore, actress and relative (niece?) of Rabindranath Tagore, the prolific poet and songwriter of Bengal. As she attended to her makeup, I asked about her work with Satyajit Ray (called Roy in India) in his Apu trilogy.
With self-effacing acceptance she related her diminished role in the
much less artistic movies she was then making.In discussians I learned that most Indians did not like the films of Ray. "That's realism, not entertainment. Indians see too much of reality every day. Movies exist for fantasy relief; for entertainment."
From a family attempting to market their amaturish film in the US,
a totally unrealistic drama of self-sacrifice interspersed with the required songs, dances and comedy routines, I learned their view of cinema: "The purpose of Indian films is to show the virtu of the Indian woman."
And in a Bombay tin-roofed shed with earthen floors, a group of men proudly showed us, on a rusty old Moviola with a 5"x7" screen, a dissolve in black & white of a gossamer-clad goddess arising and dancing in a garden-of-Eden setting. This film clip, reminiscent of Melies, was their achievement of several days working from a Hindu literary classic--the birth of the virtuous Indian goddess.
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 09-26-2002, 04:12 PM:
Joe R's suspicions about Bollywood must be true. Even a few India-based filmmakers are now accusing Bollywood of ripping off Hollywood.Then again, one of these Bollywood ripoffs is playing 2 Regal megaplexes and an ex-Regal multiplex in New Jersey this week.
Posted by Gerard S. Cohen (Member # 994) on 09-26-2002, 04:40 PM:
Remaking a Hollywood story is one form of imitation, but what about incorporating entire scenes of actual footage?The blockbuster film GOA, about the takeover of a colonial port city
from foreign administration, incorporated scenes of a stampede of horses from a US western, and documentary footage from WWII (probably
the D-Day assault on Normandy.) Actually, Goa was taken without firing a shot. Probably the director would say these scenes were to provide emotional impact, but this mish-mash of a film was hailed by public and reviewers alike as a modern masterpiece.
Posted by Joseph Pandolfi (Member # 223) on 09-28-2002, 09:56 AM:
We ran a Bollywood release not long ago called "DevDas" it came on two burlap boxes which had 19 ten minute reels and it ran just over three hours. It also had two ads for Bollywood video just before the feature started.
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 09-28-2002, 04:40 PM:
I ran Devdas. It wasn't shipped on cores or even reels. Fun. They must not have that technology yet over there (forgive me if I've already whined about this). The commercials attached to the front of the movie and after the intermission are pretty weird.Oh, and Bollywood LOVES negative dirt!
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 07-01-2003, 02:14 PM:
MPKDH (Main Prem Ki Diwani Hoon) opened last weekend and brought in $672K+ from 60 US sites per Mojo. The per-theater average was better than that of Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle -- and the running length is twice as long.
Could a US-based arthouse imprint think about picking up MPKDH? (Title translates to "I Will Love Him Until the End of Time".)
Also, I'm now seeing references to Mollywood as well as Bollywood.