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Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 09-02-2002, 04:15 PM:
Is it running this Saturday, September 7th? If so, what time? Is it likely to sell out? Would I need to book in advance? The last time I saw it, just a few days after it opened, it was only about half full, so I could just buy a ticket on the day.Also, what time does the show finish?
Posted by Ben Wales (Member # 92) on 09-02-2002, 04:48 PM:
The Cinerama normally runs the first Saturday each month.
it normally runs for (approx) 2.5 hours with interval.
Posted by Dick Vaughan (Member # 540) on 09-03-2002, 03:08 AM:
StephenYes This Is Cinerama is showing this Saturday at 1.30pm. It finishes around 3.50pm
It's not likely to sell out but you can book a ticket via our box office on 01274 202030
If you want to take a look behind the scenes ask to talk to Tony Cutts after the peformance
Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 09-03-2002, 02:06 PM:
Thanks, that's longer than I thought it was, but if I'm quick I might have time to see an IMAX film afterwards.How does this Cinerama business work out? Do you keep the print and track on site permanently, or are they brought in for each show? Who owns the print? Who owns the rights? Can you run the film any time you want to, or would you have to negotiate a separate deal for any extra shows? Do you pay a fixed fee per show, or per year, or is it a percentage of box office, or what?
Are any of the Russian Kinopanorama films still available, and, if so, have you thought of bringing one of these over for the Widescreen festival one year?
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 09-05-2002, 10:50 AM:
Well, whether Stephen manages to make it or not, it looks like there are going to be two invaders from York on Saturday... Darren and I are planning on coming over.I'm ashamed to say that, despite having lived pretty close to Bradford for almost three years now, I've never seen the Cinerama show. I'm really looking forward to it...
Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 09-05-2002, 12:34 PM:
Leo, I should be there. We have been working like mad all week at the College to get everything ready for the new term which starts on Monday. We have just a few computers, about 50, left to install, and a few minor, (I think), problems left to sort out; as long as that is finished by tomorrow evening, I think it will be, then I will not have to come in on Saturday, and I will be coming up to Bradford. I will look out for you. I still haven't got round to sending my photo to Brad, I am middle aged, balding, and will be wearing a Loew's Jersey Theatre shirt, black with a white line drawing of the theatre on it. I can see the shirt from here, and I have just noticed that it has the English spelling of theatre, that's odd.Hope to see you Saturday, the Picturevill is a rather nice cinema.
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 09-05-2002, 01:58 PM:
Well, see above... Even though the pic was taken in my cinema days, I still look roughly like that (hopefully). I'll leave you to imagine what the colours should be!
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 09-05-2002, 02:58 PM:
Stephen wrote: "I can see the shirt from here, and I have just noticed that it has the English spelling of theatre, that's odd."Many US Movie Theatres use theatRE. For example:
http://cms.disney.go.com/disneypictures/el_capitan/
http://www.little-theatre.com/
http://www.enjoytheshow.com/
http://www.mullerfamilytheatres.com/
http://www.regalcinemas.com/
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Posted by Thomas Hauerslev (Member # 566) on 09-06-2002, 01:26 AM:
Everything about Bradford's Pictureville cinema and past WSW programs here.
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Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 09-06-2002, 01:35 AM:
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Many US Movie Theatres use theatRE.
It's only a VERY rare, statsitically insignificant few US movie or live houses that use the spelling theatER. Basicallly, it's a hand-me down from when Noah Webster was establishing in his dictionary new US spellings differentiated from British via cleaned-up phonetical spellings, etc.
None of the folks running theateres wanted any of it, not the least because:
1. Most of the actors, managers & theatere people at the time were English (like a large section of the US population)
2. There's a sort of exotic snob appeal, poseur quality, fascination & thus marquee value in the US with the theatRE spelling
So basically there was a split, the people whose lives revolve around trafficking in & policing printed words in the US, like newspaper writers, English teachers, etc., standardized, use, & demand the use of theatER.
But the people who work in the theatere bidness use the spelling theatRE.
Neither side's gonna budge an inch, too much ego & control issues here.
You'll often things like on a marquee "REX THEATRE", but in any newspaper or magazine story the spelling style police will "correct" it so that all mentions have the spelling "REX THEATER".
Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 09-06-2002, 03:33 AM:
That's interesting, I've just had a look at the Loew's web site, and 're' seems to be used every time, not just when referring to this theatre, but to theatres in general. All the signs on the building, and the reproduced publicity just say 'Loew's Jersey', and don't mention the 'T' word.I've only ever seen the 'er' version on anything American before; this would always be in print, or on film or television, I've only spent five days over there, and during that time I didn't notice the word at all.
Which version would be used on a legal document, an application to build a theatre, or a licence to operate one, for example?
Posted by Dick Vaughan (Member # 540) on 09-06-2002, 04:57 AM:
Stephen/Leo/ DarrenSadly won't be around to meet up tomorrow but hope you enjoy the show
Dick
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 09-06-2002, 02:10 PM:
The impression I got of this was that in US & Canadian English, 'theater' meant live stage shows and 'theatre' meant film exhibition. Sorry I didn't realise that the issue was a lot more complex.Dick: I'm really looking forward to tomorrow, sorry we won't see you. Simon [Popple] tells me that this is a show not to miss...
Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 09-06-2002, 02:41 PM:
Almost finished everything at work today, will have to go in early on Monday morning to do the last couple of things, so I should be at Bradford tomorrow.
Posted by Darren Briggs (Member # 1071) on 09-07-2002, 04:23 PM:
Dick,
Both myself and Leo and one of my projectionists Charlie, really enjoyed the 'This Is Cinerama' last Saturday. Please thank Tony Cutts for showing us around all the projection rooms and being such a nice and informative man!
Many thanks
Darren
Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 09-07-2002, 05:24 PM:
I would like to add my thanks as well, and it was good to be able to meet Leo and Darren as well, the first uk members of these forums that I have met.I have only been home for about 45 minutes, but I'm too tired to do anything but sleep at the moment; I will make another post tomorrow.
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 09-09-2002, 02:18 AM:
Here here... many thanks for an excellent show and to Tony for the box tours.
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 09-09-2002, 03:03 AM:
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The impression I got of this was that in US & Canadian English, 'theater' meant live stage shows and 'theatre' meant film exhibition
I promise you, in the US the live theater people insist that 'theatre' is live & 'theater' is movies, & at the same time the film people insist that 'theatre' is movies & 'theater' is plays, etc.
Both groups also insist that "the other side" agrees to & adheres to whatever convention which they're describing.
Posted by Chris Markiewicz (Member # 1415) on 09-09-2002, 05:35 PM:
William,
Working in both live theatre and film exhibition, let me say that you are absolutely right. Both sides are certain that their terminology is correct.
-Chris
Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 09-09-2002, 06:12 PM:
Has anyone seem a single strip 70mm version of "THIS IS CINERAMA" ? I seem to recall seeing it at the Honolulu Cinerama Theatre many years ago after they stopped showing three strip Cinerama and replaced it with the single strip version. I remember it was not very good despite the fact that the single strip version was in the Super Panavision ratio. Although the Cinerama opened with "THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF THE BROTHERS GRIMM" and than contunued with "HOW THE WEST WAS WON". After the MGM western ended it's Honolulu run, the Cinerama presented all of the three strip versions of the original Cinerama films including "WINDJAMMER" which was photographed in Cinemiracle, a process similar to Cinerama. That was a great show with wonderful visuals and music,-Claude
Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 09-09-2002, 07:23 PM:
I have a few very magenta frames of 70mm TIC here. It appears to be a horrible composite that severely crops the original image. Only about 2/3 of each side panel is visible and I could be wrong but it looks like the middle panel isn't as vertically rectangular as I would expect. If it's true that they didn't reproduce the full height of the 3-panel image then the middle is going to take up more room than it ought to and leave less for the sides. Not that you're ever going to get that wide of a picture into 2.2 : 1.On the plus side the index holes line up nicely with the framelines! 
Posted by Martin Brooks (Member # 1269) on 09-09-2002, 10:46 PM:
If they did a single strip version of "This is Cinerama", wouldn't it have been in Ultra-Panavision 70 (1.913x.868 x 1.25 squeeze = 2.76:1) and not Super Panavision (1.913 x .868 spherical = 2.2:1)?In addition, if the print was optically corrected, you'll see more squeeze on the far left and right, which is why those panels might look smaller.
Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 09-09-2002, 11:59 PM:
Martin, You are absolutely correct. I always get Super Panavision and Ultra Panavision confused. What is even more confusing is the name MGM gave the Ultra Panavision process when the advertised the format as Camera 65 when they released "RAINTREE COUNTY" and "BEN-HUR". The interesting thing about "RAINTREE COUNTY" was it's exhibition in 35mm only because all 70mm theatres were booked playing other films at the time. It sure would have been wonderful if MGM had re released this movie in 70mm when theatres became available.
-Claude
Posted by Dick Vaughan (Member # 540) on 09-10-2002, 02:58 AM:
Leo / Stephen / DarrenGlad you all enjoyed the show . Thanks for your kind words which I have paseed on to Tony.
Hope you can all make it back soon
Dick
Posted by Thomas Hauerslev (Member # 566) on 09-10-2002, 08:50 AM:
I was able to run a short piece of "TIC" in 70mm a few years ago. The print was faded, flat and is now garnished with vinegar and un-projectable. One interesting detail is that image stability between panels was much better than 3-strip projection. Not only were the 3-strips original combined to 65mm, but the speed was reduced from 26 fps to 24 fps. Imagine the re-recording work being done for that!
"Windjammer" was also available in single strip 35mm. The anamorphic print I've seen had all 3 panels clearly visible (Again, inter panel stability was great), and the widescreen version (In IB Tech btw) showed only one panel.
I've got some 70mm frames from HTWWW too, and that print seems to be anamorphic. So, apparently, both Super Panavision and Ultra Panavision type prints were made from 3-strip originals.
3-strip combined to single strip
65mm/70mm split to 3-strip
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Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 09-10-2002, 09:22 AM:
The piece of TIC I have does not appear to be squeezed at all. Just severely cropped.
Posted by Bernard Tonks (Member # 809) on 11-04-2002, 04:17 AM:
Dick,A fantastic Sunday at Bradford, thoroughly enjoyed. Tony and Duncan gave a wonderful tour of the Pictureville and Imax. It was really kind of Tony to give so much of his time and expertise, with his wealth of knowledge it made all so interesting!!
Thank you for making the visit possible. I shall look forward to next year to see Cinerama's How The West Was Won, and Imax 3D. 