Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE: Who is the champion "topic bumper upper"?

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Posted by John T. Hendrickson, Jr (Member # 849) on 10-04-2002, 08:02 PM:

Okay folks, I've only been a member of Film-Tech for a year and a half. Many times I see a topic that interests me, click on it and find the original post is ancient history. Someone had "bumped up" the topic.

So...here's your chance to vote for Film-Tech's "Champion Bumper Upper". Brad Miller's decision will be final. Maybe he can devise a prize for the winner!!

All in good fun, so VOTE NOW.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-04-2002, 08:40 PM:

No need to vote. Charles Everett can take anyone down with this.

Ah yes, Charles Everett. The man with over 800 posts and yet no picture to his name. (That's another hint Charles. )

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 10-04-2002, 11:13 PM:

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Many times I see a topic that interests me, click on it and find the original post is ancient history.

But "bumping" a topic should NOT delete the original post!

~Manny (bumping and grinding his way to the top!)

Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 10-07-2002, 12:05 PM:

Instead of "bumping", should we link directly to the original page on Film-Tech? For example, for a joke, go to:
http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000101.html

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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 10-07-2002, 04:22 PM:

Bumping this up for all to see...

...Just kidding!

Seriously:

John, I think that's a great idea but there are certain threads that lend themselves to "bumping."

"Who the HECK are you?" is one that readily comes to mind.

By the way...how'd you get the URL for that thread? And why didn't I get the "No Bookmarking Allowed" page?

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-07-2002, 08:33 PM:

It's magic, Manny. If you hover your mouse over a thread topic, you can see (and copy) the URL. The No Bookmarking feature is only enabled to outside sites. For example, a site linking to a certain thread here at "Da Tech". But if you are already here then the link will work. It has to be this way, otherwise you couldn't click on ANYTHING.

Someone needs to bump up this thread in about a year or two. Tell 'em Joe sent ya!

Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 10-08-2002, 08:38 AM:

Another way is to right-click on the page you want the URL for, and choose "Properties".

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-09-2002, 05:15 PM:

I think whenever Charles visits the site, he goes straight to the oldest page in the forum.

Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 10-10-2002, 10:43 AM:

How does no-bookmarking work? Is this a feature of browsers? I mean, the browser is asking for a particular HTML file? Does it report to the server what HTML file is currently on screen when it makes the request? Actually I can bookmark my way to the main forum page on my other machine. Not sure why but it works. (Not to worry; I see the main page and announcements several times a day as it is.)

Also, in a similar vein, is whatever makes no-bookmarking work the same way that free web space sites prevent images hosted on their servers from being called by other sites' html? I was doing that for a time until they blocked it: HTML in my own space with the image files at Angelfire or Geocities thus gaining lots of space with the visitor seeing no popups or ads.

Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 10-10-2002, 11:09 AM:

When making an http request, (most) browsers send along several pieces of information to the web server, including something called "HTTP_REFERRER", which is the URL of the page from which the page being requested is linked. There are other variables as well, such as the "HTTP_USER_AGENT", which contains information about the user's browser type.

The anti-bookmark thing is implemented on the server side; essentially it returns the "no bookmarking" page unless the HTTP_REFERRER URL is from another page on Film-Tech. It's not perfect (and can easily be worked around on the client side if anyone cared enough to do it), but it works well enough for Film-Tech, geocities, and others.

(Brad and I have differing views on whether anti-bookmarking is a good idea; I personally don't like it.)

Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 10-10-2002, 01:25 PM:

I don't either but I can see the value of it: Making sure people see the disclaimer and any special announcements. I'm not sure it's worth the inconvenience however. Perhaps there is another way to alert visitors that there is a new announcement to be read.

The disclaimer is presumably one of those things that a lawyer would say is not a bad idea but in my decidedly non-professional opinion serves more to discourage a libel action but would do little if one actually went to court. (Example: I libel John Doe in posting. Doe sues me. I say.."Nah Ah...you agreed to play nice when you clicked yes on the disclaimer. Doe says, nope, I never agreed to anything. My buddy read your nasty post and faxed it to me. He might be bound but I'm sure not.)

So if you're going somewhere via a bookmark or hand typed URL the "HTTP_REFERRER" is null, right? I mean you're on a, um, shall we say, "disreputable" site and then click on a bookmark the 2nd site doesn't get to know where you just were, does it?

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-10-2002, 02:06 PM:

Oh we can see the sites you come from, Steve. And you sure visit some strange ones before coming here.

Honestly though, I bet it would be a pain in the ass to keep a record like that on any members. And I don't know why anyone would. Who cares what other sites people visit? Except you, Steve, you need to stop looking at that stuff.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-10-2002, 02:51 PM:

It is interesting to see what other websites are linking to us and roughly how many hits they send our way, but past that no one really gives a flip as to how many of *those* sites Steve came from.

Until the day comes I can implement a cookie login something-or-other, the disclaimer for some sections of the site need to remain. Allowing direct bookmarking into the forums also kills the navigational frame and the chat room monitor. Without the frames, people would not see anything else posted on the site. That is why it will remain, inconvenience or not. (PS This has been discussed to death before. The policy will not be changing.)

Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 10-10-2002, 02:52 PM:

Joe Joe Joe. I was as pure as the driven snow til the Internet came along. Then I drifted.

Actually if I had a hankering for such material why bother with web sites when Kazaa is full of video.

Anyway, would anyone bother if it *were* possible to read prior sites? Perhaps. I used to find it interesting to scan the logs of my site to see what people looked at. I suppose if it listed where they were before it might be mildly amusing.

Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 10-10-2002, 03:06 PM:

Most browsers leave the HTTP_REFERRER entry blank unless the user directly selected a link to the new site. So unless the porn people are directly linking to Film-Tech (why?), Steve should be safe. The only exception that I am aware of is old (really old) versions of Lynx.