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Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 10-06-2002, 05:38 PM:
 
There is something wrong with the water in Watseka, Illinois. That's the only way I can explain what is happening there. Everyone has lost it.

Watseka, Illinois, sits as the county seat of Iroquois County on the Indiana border. The town claims to be a "progressive rural community that places strong emphasis on preserving family values" and claims to foster community pride. The city also claims a high priority for "community development and revitalization of downtown and other retail areas". (City of Watseka homepage)

The Watseka Theatre was built in 1931, a product of the Art Deco movement in cinema design.

By the mid-1990s, the state of affairs at the Watseka was a sorry one indeed. As reported by Cinematour researcher Bob Meza, "It is horrible that the once beautiful Watseka is sitting there rotting away. Last time I was in there was when Twister was showing. At that time, you could only sit in the center section because plaster was falling from the ceiling on the sides, so the sides were roped off. The heater in the building was a steam boiler that had broke, so they just punched a hole in the wall and hung one of those big gas heaters you find in high school gyms. What a shame." The Watseka finally closed in 1999. The last movie to play was The Mask of Zorro.

Competition for the Watseka came from the Princess Theatre, just three blocks away, which remains in operation today.

The Princess has been successful enough for the owner to add another screen. Another screen, not by chopping up the Princess or adding on to the building, but by converting an industrial building a number of blocks away. So what's wrong with that, you ask?

Again, from Mr. Meza: "This is no joke. The owner of the Princess Theatre ... built a second screen out of an industrial building. The screen is the wall of the theatre, and a speaker sits on the floor in front of the screen. The room is air conditioned by a household window air conditioner."

In a day and age of restoring historic buildings with funds raised from grants and public and private donations, I am appalled that the owner of the Princess has taken the cheap way out. One would think that the responsible thing for a successful business owner to do would be to put something back into the community which gives him that success, to assist and work closely with the local administration whose public mission statement clearly indicates a desire to rebuild and rejuvenate its downtown.

But that's not what really bothers this writer. What bothers me is that this, um, "new place to see a movie" is patronized by the very same community that this owner has shunned. They continue to put up with the disrespect and the concept that all it takes is an image on a wall and some vague resemblance of a soundtrack. The owner seems to be programming family fare at this new location with the notion that the clientele either won't notice the environment or won't care.

Come on, people! Show yourselves some respect! Take pride in yourselves! Stand up and revolt! Sure, catch a show at the Princess, but abhor the bastard child Princess II. Do not flock to what is even less than mediocrity like junkies to a crackhouse. Dare I even say ... wait and watch it on video!

 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-06-2002, 06:09 PM:
 
Oh for fuck's sake. That is pathetic!!!

You know, I think I would actually be afraid of seeing their booth. Whatever they have has got to be the worst crap ever made. I'll bet if they are running on a platter they don't even use threading leaders. They probably just thread up on the first reel of the movie. Masking tape splices perhaps? Oh what I am even thinking about, no way a quality theater like that would spring for a platter and no possible way they would have two projectors. They probably run reels with lots of intermissions. Of course they do have cupholder armrests, so clearly that is what is bringing in the masses pictured above.

Someone daring get us some more pictures of this place!


 


Posted by Thomas Procyk (Member # 1170) on 10-06-2002, 06:35 PM:
 
WHAT?!

That is by far the most poor excuse for a theater I have ever seen. Do they allow this person to have first-run product at this place?? Should someone alert the movie studios to take a tour of this place before they allow their next-big-hit to play there? My God!! The owner should nix those shiny poster cases and just staple several of the same one-sheet in a row on the plywood.... for "atmosphere"!

If the outdoor and indoor pictures were taken at the same time, that sure is a large crowd for "Powerpuff Girls!" The picture of the original "Princess Theatre" isn't too impressive either. Is that supposed to be a marquee??

It is indeed a shame that our movie palaces, or places like the Northpark who actually CARE about presentation and their customers are being bulldozed while crap like this is allowed to remain operational and take (yes, TAKE) money from people. I would watch a letterboxed scope movie on a 13" mono TV before I went to see a movie there, cupholders or not.

"Princess" my ass! (unless you're talking about the Princess in Shrek... )

=TMP=
 


Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 10-06-2002, 08:25 PM:
 
I love the name-plate in front of the theater. The ramp indicates that the theater is accessible for wheelchairs, that is nice too. But I think they should move the speaker to the center. Do they have a THX licence?
Michael
 
Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 10-06-2002, 08:37 PM:
 
Believe it or not I have seen far worse than this. Honest.

-Aaron

 


Posted by Jeremy Spracklen (Member # 18) on 10-06-2002, 08:47 PM:
 
Is that a dumpster in front of the theater?


 


Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 10-06-2002, 09:18 PM:
 
Maybe they are just using a video projector and get DVDs down at the local Blockbuster...I mean, why pay the studios?...they paid their rental fee!

Steve

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"Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"
 


Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 10-06-2002, 10:20 PM:
 
DVD's? I don't think they'd be willing to spend money on DIGITAL! They probably use VHS.
 
Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 10-06-2002, 11:22 PM:
 
How can they let a beautiful palace like the Watseka rot while some industrial building doubles as a half-assed attempt at a theater? What are they thinking????

I've seen crappy theaters, but this Princess II takes the cake. Does it even have restrooms? Or do you just shit on the floor anywhere?
 


Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 10-07-2002, 12:23 AM:
 
Is the big black car the limousine with which premium guests are driven to the theater? I noticed the speaker is angled towards the two people on the left side. Do they charge extra to point the speaker in your direction?
Michael
 
Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 10-07-2002, 12:43 PM:
 
Watseka makes me think of speeding tickets on I-57. Must be a state police station there or that's where the fine went if stopped in that county. Therefore I think I've already contributed to this berg!
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 10-08-2002, 03:35 AM:
 
The Princess II

I just LOVE the sign.
I mean, I really, really LERV it.
No, no... I LUFF it.

Stay away from sequels.
 


Posted by Dave Bird (Member # 490) on 10-08-2002, 07:58 AM:
 
This is GREAT news! Now the costs of us all building our "dream" has come drastically down. Just buy some chipboard (fibreboard) and cover up the old storefront with it. Don't bother to even paint it (you'll be needing that can to create your "screen" on the backside of the chipboard!). I'm betting a small industrial type "unisex" washroom IN the "auditorium" OR porta-potty's out back!
 
Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 10-08-2002, 08:58 AM:
 
Do they even serve food? They might not be required to have a washroom, in which case I doubt that they would spend the money. On the other hand, if they do, I wonder if it is as wheel-chair accessible as their front entrance?
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 10-08-2002, 09:21 AM:
 
A long long time ago near Watseka IL I serviced this guys drive inn. It was my first service call there and the last one I did for them!!
Mark
 
Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 10-08-2002, 09:24 AM:
 
I want to see a movie there.
Just once.

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 10-08-2002, 09:32 AM:
 
I'd like to see the look on the inspectors face if someone were to do a TAP evalutaion. That'd be the showing I'd want to go see.

As David Stambaugh would say, right speaker present, center, left, uh everything else, missing-in-action.


 


Posted by Bill Gabel (Member # 1105) on 10-08-2002, 09:42 AM:
 
Maybe the next upgrade would be to add surrounds. Remember to place
them on the trash cans at the rear of the theatre. So they can be
higher than the center speaker. So they can call it a front surround
sound presentation.
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 10-08-2002, 10:07 AM:
 
quote:
I want to see a movie there.
Just once.

Hmmm...Perhaps another Film-Tech road trip?
 
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 10-08-2002, 01:29 PM:
 
I'd go! I've seen some really horrible theatres, but this one takes the cake. I know of a several 16mm setups in homes and colleges that put this place to shame!
 
Posted by Mike Spaeth (Member # 524) on 10-08-2002, 02:26 PM:
 
I wonder where he got that sign made .... I need to find out so I can start ordering from them! I've never seen such professional work in my life. <sarcasm off>
 
Posted by Bill Gabel (Member # 1105) on 10-08-2002, 03:09 PM:
 
Those can be ordered from National Screen Services. May take about
4-6 weeks on Special order.
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 10-08-2002, 07:36 PM:
 
From NSS? It may take a little longer.
 
Posted by Ray Brown (Member # 1449) on 10-08-2002, 11:37 PM:
 
Brad Miller wrote: "You know, I think I would actually be afraid of seeing their booth. Whatever they have has got to be the worst crap ever made."

I can just picture some kid peddeling an exercise bike with a belt going from the wheel of the bike to the fly wheel on the soundhead with another belt going to the platters and some Flintstones like device stuck in the lamphouse for a light source to save electricity.

"Masking tape splices perhaps?" Probably duct tape.


 


Posted by Rachel Gilardi (Member # 4594) on 10-08-2002, 11:49 PM:
 
Oh My!!!
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 10-09-2002, 11:08 AM:
 
Here are a couple of updates ...

Watseka Theatre: (From Bob Meza again) "... When I was there for Twister, there were kids that were sitting in the doorway entrance smoking cigarettes. You had to step into them to get in the door. The teenage employees were in T shirts and blue jeans. ... The Pepsi was served out of 1 liter bottles into cups. ... This theatre building housed a few business slots in the front. I hear the boiler that heated the building broke, and the owner would not fix it, so the people moved their business elsewhere. ... The balcony was closed. I went up into the booth. I just walked up there as there was no locked door. Sound came from a Radio Shack amp."

Princess II: Bob sent me a link to what I guess we could call a "non-fan" page for this, uh, place to see movies. click here for Geocities webpage

The owner of the Princess/Princess II also owned the Kent Theatre in Kentland, Indiana, which was demolished last year.

He also owned the Fowler Theatre in Fowler, Indiana, which he had closed until the Prairie Preservation Guild bought it in 2001 with funding assistance from the Historic Landmarks Foundation of Indiana. The Guild successfully reopened the Fowler and is working to restore the theatre to its original art deco glory, but this guy apparently still books their films for them.


 


Posted by Bill Gabel (Member # 1105) on 10-09-2002, 11:39 AM:
 
At least they have Air Conditioning. Better order another sign.
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-09-2002, 11:41 AM:
 
We really need to find out who this guy is. Someone to stay away from!

James, I'll go with you to visit this dump. Should be hilarious.


 


Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 10-09-2002, 11:51 AM:
 
I don't know guys you are being very hard on the owner. Judging from what I have seen it is probably owned by Alex Baldwin. or maybe by that guy from Colorado.


 


Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 10-09-2002, 02:56 PM:
 
Looks to me like this is an owner that is trying to build his empire on a shoe-string budget. The 2-litre bottles simply tell me that he is buying his stock at the local grocery. Hey, at least he has employees!

He is running a Radio Shack amp. Heck, I'm running a Dynaco ST-70 bridged for MONO with my Holmes 8's and their home-made solar cell systems. I know, I'm not running features for the public consumption.

I don't think he is either.

Bruce
 


Posted by Franklin Armstrong (Member # 1448) on 10-09-2002, 03:06 PM:
 
so when do you guys wanna take a trip out there i would love to go!
 
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 10-09-2002, 04:05 PM:
 
Sit through a show and fill out a THX TAP form on their presentation, then politely present a copy of it to the manager. Heh Heh. Maybe give them a brochure about Kodak ScreenCheck.


 


Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 10-09-2002, 06:19 PM:
 
Mark, You think he cares? If he did he wouldn't be there....and if the public cared they wouldn't be open.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-09-2002, 06:25 PM:
 
How big is this town?
 
Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 10-09-2002, 06:45 PM:
 
Mike..I think you haveto have an IQ of under 10 so the population is most likely a minus figure. Oh! By the way the Mayor of this town is under investigation for promoting run down buildings.


 


Posted by Franklin Armstrong (Member # 1448) on 10-09-2002, 06:53 PM:
 
so when are we going?
 
Posted by Ray Brown (Member # 1449) on 10-09-2002, 07:35 PM:
 
1/4 sheet of plywood for Marquee $15
Paint & Brushes for background and lettering on marquee $12
4th grader to paint background and lettering on marquee $10
Cost of being humiliated at Film-Tech.com.... priceless


 


Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 10-09-2002, 07:38 PM:
 
Here is the Census 2000 profile for the city of Watseka:
click here to download

Some highlights:
According to the 2000 census, Watseka has a population of 5,670; 2,463 households; and covers 2.62 square miles. Iroquois county has a population of 31,334; 13,362 households; and covers 1,118 square miles. Iroquois county is 96% white and 51% are between ages 21-62. For Watseka, 13% of the families and 16% of individuals live at or below the poverty level. Median household income is $30,440. 27% work in "Production, transportation, and material moving occupations".

Bob hit the nail on the head: "if the public cared they wouldn't be open".

You see, obviously they don't care that they spent $3 each to sit in this hellhole and watch a movie. I just can't figure out why. I mean, they have a video store (Familifun Video at 1160 East Walnut Street).

It's been going on for years, apparently, as Bob's 1995 visit to the Watseka Theatre shows. The population got used to it and it became the status quo. Why should this guy try to do it right when he can get by with what's been going on for years?

And just who is our new favorite exhibitor? SMITH THEATRES

Anybody have an Encyclopedia of Exhibition handy?



 


Posted by Mike Spaeth (Member # 524) on 10-09-2002, 07:49 PM:
 
If you wanna make a roadtrip ... I'm there too!
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 10-09-2002, 11:18 PM:
 
Looks more like a run down Biker Bar to me...Bob, I bet they serve good martini's there. After two or three no one will know the difference!! Geez, If I only know Photoshop a bit better I could fix the place up!!
Mark


 


Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-09-2002, 11:32 PM:
 
The 1300 Film-techers should contribute about $500 each into a fund to go into that town with a nice little 5-plex and kick that guy's ass outa there.
 
Posted by Daniel Boisson (Member # 1027) on 10-10-2002, 03:43 PM:
 
i bet if someone built a half decent theatre, with a few screens, nothing fancy, it would do pretty well. Of course it would be hard to compete with $3 tickets, and a local population that isnt very particular at all about the presentation.

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Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 10-10-2002, 03:55 PM:
 
Maybe the town and the county don`t have enough inhabitants to finance a better theater? I guess in such a town people will accept anything, however bad, that gives them something to do. Watseka nightlife is probably not rich in attractions.
Michael


 


Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-10-2002, 06:48 PM:
 
I think people would support it. All the talk you hear about people seeking out better presentation...if it's true, this is the best town to put the theory to work in!
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 10-10-2002, 09:27 PM:
 
Trust me, You would do VERY well in that small town with a nice small plex!! They would eat it up. The population there is mainly farming type. Miles and miles of corn in the summer months. So just imagine, if a theatre looked like the inside of a barn they'd never notice it.
Mark
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 10-18-2002, 11:03 PM:
 
Hmmm ... I wonder what's going on in Watseka this week ...

Back to the Geocities site for another visit

My friend Bob thinks he's afraid we'll all actually show up and start preaching "Film Done Right" on the street corners!

 


Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 10-18-2002, 11:45 PM:
 
I can never get any webpages from geocities! Why is that? I use IE and, since Brad`s recommendation recently, Opera. The problem isn`that the pages are displayed incorrectly, I simply never get them.
 
Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 10-18-2002, 11:50 PM:
 
Can you resolve the domain? Will a tracert reach the host? It could be a routing issue... I've read many times that an insanely high percentage of addresses are unreachable from across the world.


 


Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 10-19-2002, 12:06 AM:
 
What is a tracert? Pinging?
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-19-2002, 12:09 AM:
 
Probably an ISP issue. Geocities and Opera work fine here.
 
Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 10-19-2002, 02:14 AM:
 
tracert is the MS-DOS command for 'trace route'. In reality it is pinging but it ping's the router on each hop, not just the final destination.

One graphical route tracing utility is NeoTrace. It's a cool little app that shows (approximately) the location of each router on a map of the world. There is a pretty functional free version you can download, NeoTrace Express.

Anyway, my original point being, ping or tracert www.geocities.com and see if it resolves to 66.218.77.70 (or possibly another address for their international servers). If it doesn't it's probably an issue with your ISP's (or your ISP's ISP) DNS server, in which case I would try using the DNS server of another provider (university DNS servers are usually good to use).

Out of curiosity, can you reach any other Yahoo domains/sites? Geocities is owned by Yahoo and is on their network in Sunnyvale, California.

edit: Looks like McAfee bought out NeoWorx, renamed NeoTrace and nolonger have a free version.


 


Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 10-19-2002, 05:11 AM:
 
When I run tracert, I get something like this:



Just above line 1, it said something like "tracing route to server www.geocities.com 216.65.115.193 via no more than 30 stations". In Line 17 it says: after the IP address in square bracket "responds: target host not available. Tracing terminated". It`s like this every time even with different dial-up connections. Maybe geocities.com is banned in Germany...
I will download that tool. Is there any logic to the IP addresses? Do you know hao they are allocated. It has to include a hint at the physical location if that is displayed in the tool.
Michael
 


Posted by Dave Bird (Member # 490) on 10-19-2002, 08:37 AM:
 
Nice! They actually do have a storefront on the main road but have elected to display the backside of drywall and exposed studs against the plate glass (probably a door there too) and enter at the side. Now why in hell would you do that? It wouldn't have been perfect, but I imagine you could make a brick and glass storefront into a reasonably good small-town theatre. Classy.
 
Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 10-19-2002, 04:05 PM:
 
With NeoTrace Express, I traced geocities to San José, but I still get no connection with either browser. So I will have to live without the latest from Watseka...I also traced film-tech to a place south east of Washington. Is that correct? I thought film-tech was based in Colorado.
Michael
 
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 10-19-2002, 05:04 PM:
 
Film-Tech is in Texas. At various times in the past, however, the web site has been hosted elsewhere.

Traceroutes to www.geocities.com will fail before they reach the endpoint anyway, since some router along the way isn't responding to some types of ICMP requests. www.geocities.com (which resolves to two different IP addresses) does respond to pings, however.
 


Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 10-19-2002, 05:41 PM:
 
You are right. On closer inspection, both traces end with a question mark, so the trace is not complete. Why can`t I trace film-tech when my browser reaches it? I don`t understand why two the identical links you quote can resolve to different IP addresses.
Michael
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 10-19-2002, 09:14 PM:
 
Someone posted this.....Doesn't matter who...."This must be a very poor city, or just have a city staff that does not care"
Well they must have some money down there as they all drive $50,000.00 pickups, $250, 000.00 tractors and $750,000.00 combines around. I am beginning to think that some of those tractors and combines ahve better "built in home theatres" than the Princess II has.
Mark
 
Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 10-19-2002, 09:19 PM:
 
Probably. On the last consumer electronics exhibition in Berlin, Dolby presented a mini-van with LCD displays in the back of the headrests and a surround system. I also got a very nice "Dolby Surround in Motion" bag.
 
Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 10-23-2002, 05:21 PM:
 
Maybe, just maybe, the owner is broke, and just getting by. He is possibly using something like a Holmes in the booth. How is the image on the 'screen?'

Seriously, I've used my Holmes in a setting similar to the one shown on the website. Painted wall and everything! No wall between the projector and the audience!
After the film, and after I had loaded everything in my truck, the owner of the location told me he was impressed that the film had gone off as well as it did.

I do my changeovers properly. :O

Most of the viewers of the film had seen it on TV in the past. They were pointing and whispering among themselves all through the picture.
Having a selection of lenses helps things. I was able to fill the alloted area without the projectors being out in the audience, for once.


 


Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 10-23-2002, 05:59 PM:
 
If the owner is broke, then he has no business buying a second building and rigging it as a "cinema". If he already owned the second building, he should have sold it to pay for improvements to the other theater or for walling off the balcony for a second screen or whatever.

In Bruce's situation, it was a setup location for one show only. Afterward, he packed up his truck and went home. I'm all for the fun in guerrilla exhibition on a temporary basis, but this guy has a permanent setup here. (No offense, Bruce. )


 


Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 10-24-2002, 04:14 PM:
 
No offense taken, of course. And you are probably right. I was not really thinking things out before I replied. Sure, whats this person doing opening a 2nd location when he has another location that is floundering in the muck of bad showmanship?

Any idea, yet, what projector is actually running the print?
 


Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-24-2002, 06:44 PM:
 
I can't believe there isn't at least one film-techer in the vicinity of this place taking pictures already! Come on, lurkers. Get busy!
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-24-2002, 10:06 PM:
 
Mike is right. Let me sweeten the deal. The first person to get a full picture set of the Princess II sent in for posting gets a free Film-Tech T shirt. These pics must include the "lobby", the "auditorium" (preferably at least 2 angles) and multiple shots of the "projection booth".
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 10-24-2002, 11:15 PM:
 
I would have booked my flight to Chicago already, except that my theater opens Star Wars Episode 2 and Santa vs. the Snowman in less than two weeks. Neither print is here yet. Nothing like prepping a 32-reel print under pressure.

I'll sweeten Brad's deal with a copy of the entire public Cinematour.com website on CD-ROM (you know, so you don't have to wait for all of the pictures to download) if you copy the pictures to me for use on Cinematour. And no, this disc is not available to the general public, so don't bombard me with requests, please.

 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-25-2002, 12:03 AM:
 
Oh I see how this works. Try and outdo me, eh Adam?

Ok, I'll sweeten the deal even further. Not only will the person who sends in the picture set receive a Film-Tech T shirt, but I will also send that person a real brand new roll of splicing tape so they can give it to the Princess II theater. It will be a great addition for them, but whoever gives it to them will probably have to explain what it is.
 


Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 10-25-2002, 12:28 AM:
 
You mean they may actually have a splicer? They seem like they would have a stapler to splice film.

 
Posted by Sean McKinnon (Member # 612) on 10-25-2002, 01:49 AM:
 
Splice the film? No, I believe that they unwind each reel onto the floor, run it from the floor through the projector and then back onto the floor again they do not need to splice because this "Self Rewinding" system that they use enables them to just stop the show and thread the next reel from the floor. They were thinking about upgrading and using those Airborne express bins to hold the film but they decided that the cost was too prohibitive.
 
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 10-25-2002, 07:07 AM:
 
Brad--be sure to send a roll of the nastiest opaque white tape that you can find. The kind that doesn't peel and leaves goo on the film when you try. This would be perfect for the Princess II.
 
Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 10-25-2002, 09:09 AM:
 
Ok, If Brad and Adam are going to give these gifts to the person submitting the pictures. Then I promise that I will mention their name in a dirty, filthy, disgusting joke. They will become famous like


 


Posted by Ray Brown (Member # 1449) on 10-25-2002, 09:12 AM:
 
I still think they use duct tape for splicing. (easier to spot when breaking down)
 
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 10-25-2002, 11:06 AM:
 
I'll throw in one of those embossed aluminum plaques with the THX logo. The plaque is currently covering up a spot on the carpet where the cat is obsessed with digging a hole for some reason, but I'm sure I can find something to replace it with. I will clean the hairball residue off it prior to shipping.



 


Posted by Jeff Stricker (Member # 224) on 10-26-2002, 01:29 PM:
 
A buddy of mine leased the Fowler Theater in Fowler Indiana in 1980. I got the job of teaching him do make change-overs and fixing the audio amplifier. Man, what a contraption --- the insulation had rotted off the point to point wiring between the tube sockets, etc!! If I remember the booth had BX-80's and Perless Magnarcs.
 
Posted by Justin West (Member # 920) on 10-26-2002, 03:56 PM:
 
Mark, what Drive-In did this owner operate? Plywood ain't so bad at a drive-in theatre.
 
Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 10-26-2002, 04:43 PM:
 
Someone wanna suggest a premise to tell them for why I want to take pictures, especially of the booth?
 
Posted by Ray Brown (Member # 1449) on 10-26-2002, 04:53 PM:
 
quote:
Someone wanna suggest a premise to tell them for why I want to take pictures, especially of the booth?

Tell them you are from some magazine (make up a name) and you would like to do a feature article & photo spread.
 


Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 10-26-2002, 05:16 PM:
 
You could probably tell them Box Office Magazine. They've probably never read it.
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-26-2002, 05:33 PM:
 
You could probably just show up and buy a ticket. I doubt there is more than one employee, and that employee probably walks over to the Princess I to operate it once the movie is running at the Princess II, assuming the two "theaters" have staggered showtimes. No need in paying to keep an employee on the premesis, right?


 


Posted by Ray Brown (Member # 1449) on 10-26-2002, 07:12 PM:
 
You can tell them that the subject of the article is Inovative Cinema Designs.
 
Posted by Justin West (Member # 920) on 11-03-2002, 02:40 AM:
 
Well, I guess I'll be receiving the t-shirt, the roll of splicing tape, the cd, the THX emblem, and get to star in a filthy, disgusting Bob Maar joke (hoo-ray!)because here are pictures and, as Paul Harvey would say, "the rest of the story..."

First, let me give you a little background on the HOT entertainment scene in Watseka. For many years two single screen hardtops competed with each other: the Watseka and the Little Theater/Bon-Air/Princess. The theater now known as the Princess actually dates back to the 1930s. The original marquee was destroyed in a fire. Enter the lobby and the art-deco movement is apparent. Inside the auditorium, a clean and decent 60-seat single screen with top-notch presentation awaits. A little run-down but what did the current owner start with? I know he is not a millionaire nor a theatre chain/conglomerate (heck, they abandoned single screeners and small towns years ago!). It is apparent that an honest effort is being made here to maintain this theater in a town whose population size barely justifies the need for ONE screen. (Incidentally, on the nite of my visit-11/2/02-his evening show was sold out)

[The Watseka's owner allegedly allowed his theater to run into the ground, not repairing roof problems so that during rain storms water ran down the stairs from the balcony to the main floor, plaster fell, etc. Eventually, financial matters forced him to close. Reportedly, the owner's son is attempting to refurbish the building...plans not public at this time.]

In his zeal to provide first-run product to this small town, the Princess' owner is trying to meet the terms of the distributors, who require multiple week showings (how many small-town 60-seat theaters get films on the break or anywhere close to it?). The owner of the Princess needed a way to accomodate the demands of his customers with the demands of the distributors. There is no balcony at the Princess and there was no room to expand at the current location, and it would make no sense to split it into two 30-seat theaters (Ha!) so he found a location where the owner was willing to lease him the back warehouse space of a retail store. Unfortunately, things have conspired to slow remodeling/development of the new location, whether it is tight funds, problems with carpenters, the theater owner's day job or his summer job working for a friend at his friend's drive-in theatre...maybe he bit off more than he could chew at once but he is trying to provide a good product and a service to his community.

The building owner is going to replace the AC unit this spring. A marquee and exterior stucco remodeling will also be performed then. Take a look at some of these pix, it really is not as bad as what has been painted on this topic.

1) See the lobby with the concession counter

2) Two views of the 47-seat auditorium. Note that the screen is fabric (not "painted") and there are three speakers up front. Sound panels or curtains are going to be added to the walls. The drive-in season is over so the ladder is there because the owner is working on the place.

3) The projection setup (Simplex heads with Strong Super Lumex lamphouse).

There are two large restrooms (one for men, one for women, each handicapped accessible). $3 for a matinee is not obscene: the residents of Watseka and nearby farms are not demanding stadium seating nor can that market size afford it. If this guy did not give a d@mn, I'd tell you to roast away but sometimes we've got to back up and look at the bigger picture and cheer on the little guy for trying. I believe that is what we've got here, folks.


 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 11-03-2002, 05:33 AM:
 
Thanks for the pics Justin. Don't forget to email me your shirt size and your shipping address.
 
Posted by Ray Brown (Member # 1449) on 11-03-2002, 09:48 AM:
 
A few things caught my eye:
It looks like the projector port is off-center from the screen and I hope the projector platform is wider than it looks in the pictures.

Also the right and left speakers are sitting really low on the floor. Possibly sub-woofers?

I see a popcorn popper in the snackbar along with a possible fountain head on the right. Hopefully the jugs are sitting on the counter as temporary storage.

Every theater would like to have first run movies but are the economics there for an area that size?

It does look like he bit off more than he could chew but I'll give the owner a thumbs up for trying. I'll take back everything I said here in this thread and wish him luck.


 


Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 11-03-2002, 10:33 AM:
 
It doesn't look all that bad. Looks like they could use some sound absorbant but maybe in such a small room the long echo times are impossible. Perhaps the black dots at the back of the room are electical boxes for future surround speakers? Obviously he needs to do something about the outside of the building so people don't think, as we all did, that the inside is a bunch of folding chairs and a bedsheet on the wall. But I give the guy a lot of credit for what he's been able to do.
 
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 11-03-2002, 11:09 AM:
 
Well, it certainly does look like the guy is trying, and the place isn't nearly as bad as we all thought.

Send me your address if you want the plaque.

 


Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 11-03-2002, 11:30 AM:
 
But where is the picture of the sound system (processor and amp(s))?

OSHA will nab him on the lack of railing up to and around the projector platform.

As to sound absorbancy...that room is SMALL...the pictures show that on the left side there are only about 6 rows.

It is what it is...in my opinion it was "built" too cheap as a general statement though some items are certainly more adequate than others.

Steve

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"Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"
 


Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 11-03-2002, 11:38 AM:
 
That platform does look like an accident waiting to happen
 
Posted by Ray Brown (Member # 1449) on 11-03-2002, 12:14 PM:
 
quote:
That platform does look like an accident waiting to happen

The verticle posts on the mut don't look like the most pleasant thing to land on if you fall.

WISHA, Washington State's version of OSHA would have a hay day with that booth if it was located here.


 


Posted by Justin West (Member # 920) on 11-03-2002, 12:32 PM:
 
Just a few responses:

1)It looks like the projector port is off-center from the screen and I hope the projector platform is wider than it looks in the pictures.
Also the right and left speakers are sitting really low on the floor. Possibly sub-woofers?

~The port IS off center but that is the best he could do with the building he has, I took the pic of the booth while standing on steps to the basement. It's tight and if the booth were moved over to center any further, there would be no access from the lobby or no concession counter. As for the speakers, yes they are ow and on the floor, tho the right and left sides are not subs. Hopefully he will work on them too.

2) I see a popcorn popper in the snackbar along with a possible fountain head on the right. Hopefully the jugs are sitting on the counter as temporary storage.

~Yes, temporary as he is working on the place and not running shows there...but he hopes to get it done someime this month.

3) Looks like they could use some sound absorbant but maybe in such a small room the long echo times are impossible.

~Yes, that is what I was meaning about sound curtains or panels he ill be installing this month. It IS a small throw so he had to also find a lens that could handle it.

4) Well, it certainly does look like the guy is trying, and the place isn't nearly as bad as we all thought.Send me your address if you want the plaque.

~That's OK, thanks...I can understand how the image was not pretty. I went there to see for myself (and for Film-Techers) what was up. After I saw and had a good talk with the owner, I had to fill you in on the reel deal!

5) But where is the picture of the sound system (processor and amp(s))? OSHA will nab him on the lack of railing up to and around the projector platform.

~I believe the amp(s) and processor were behind the platter. I won't disagree on the platform railing.

Thanks for everyone's participation...this has been an interesting thread. I prefer drive-ins but all this talk compelled me to check it out! Now I must prepare for the wrath of


 


Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 11-03-2002, 12:36 PM:
 
I've got to agree with Ray on this one. If that booth were here in Washington state, they'd never be allowed to open!
 
Posted by Ray Brown (Member # 1449) on 11-03-2002, 02:14 PM:
 
quote:
[The Watseka's owner allegedly allowed his theater to run into the ground, not repairing roof problems so that during rain storms water ran down the stairs from the balcony to the main floor, plaster fell, etc. Eventually, financial matters forced him to close. Reportedly, the owner's son is attempting to refurbish the building...plans not public at this time.]

I sure hope he can follow thru on the renovations. That theater is to beautiful to just sit there and go to hell.
 


Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 11-03-2002, 05:28 PM:
 
Wow, what a difference a few months makes.

Back in July 2002, Sheryl Bracken visited the Princess II and took a few photos of the deplorable conditions in which customers were expected to watch first-run movies. A "screen" painted on the front wall and speakers sitting on the floor in the front of the viewing room were probably the two items that took the cake. The jury-rigged exterior and hand-painted sign were just the icing to top it off.

Four months later, the building is still quite rough around the edges, but progress appears to have been made in leaps and bounds. It appears that a proper screen is now what movies are projected onto. However, the speakers are still sitting on the floor. One certainly hopes that these will soon be placed in their proper location behind the screen and that (after the addition of the promised acoustical treatments) the audio system will be properly aligned and equalized.

Digital sound, stadium seating and gilded fixtures do not a movie palace make. A quality presentation in a comfortable setting allow the imagination to build the palace around the body and set free the soul of the experience that is cinema.

Right there, that is what it's all about.

I am still critical of the conditions in which early customers of this cinema were thrust into. Yes, the makings of a cinema were there, but the environment was not conducive to the cinema experience. I am glad to see, though, that the operator is not satisfied only with money coming in the front door. I am glad to see that he is taking steps to make it right.

Now if we could only get him to work with the owner of the Watseka building to make that theater a reality again ...

Thank you, Justin, for the photos and update. Hopefully we can meet up next summer when I travel to Chicago for photos and research. Drop me an email with your mailing address and I'll get a CD out to you after this week's site update. I don't suppose you took any photos of the other theaters while you were there, did you?



 


Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 11-03-2002, 10:00 PM:
 
Well I can certainly understand why he went and built the "II". There usually are very few customers left for the last couple of weeks of a multi-week engagement anyway, in a town that size. 47 seats is probably more than enough.

I would gladly play more films on the break here, if not for those 4 week requirements (or if we had another screen to dump the movie into for the last couple of weeks).


 


Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 10-14-2003, 05:25 PM:
 
People in Illinois are not normal, despite what they may call their town.

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I received a note from the operator of the Normal Theater that contained a bit of valuable information on the cinema history of the town. However, I am deeply disturbed by this paragraph:

quote:
I appreciate the use of photos, although I do not know the people who are credited. Our facade is trademarked; no one should be claiming rights to it except the Town of Normal. I understand your use of the photos to help inform the public, and you use is acceptable. there is no need to remove the existing photos of the Normal Theater on your website, but, if you need to, you can always get photos directly from the Town of Normal through this e-mail.
She can't seriously be thinking that she can prevent people from photographing the theater and displaying the photos in any context?! What about my rights as a photographic artist? What about the rights of the architect?

Gosh, I bet Sony® could come after me for trashing SDDS® on a regular basis because I refer to their trademark without their permission!

This is not the purpose of trademarks and service marks. They were created to (basically) prevent corporate identity theft.

If the Normal Theater is so concerned about their (questionable) trademark, might I recommend this solution?

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Photo from the Norman Plant collection. Artistic parody by Adam Martin. All rights reserved. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Scott D. Neff (Member # 185) on 10-14-2003, 06:10 PM:
 
Meeesa likes it when Adam eeessa sarcastic.
 
Posted by Mark Lensenmayer (Member # 134) on 10-14-2003, 06:15 PM:
 
Took me a minute to catch that one, Adam. Nice work.

Anyone have any updates on the Princess II?
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 10-14-2003, 08:22 PM:
 
The Normal is an ex-GKC theatre that almost couldn't continue being a theatre as it was bought with a non-theatre use clause in he sale agreement. That was till the town of Normal took it over. From what I understamd they pretty much told GKC to shove their non-use clause up their nose....... For what ever reason GKC realized the village of Normal could make runing a new large plex abNormal, and more tax costly for GKC if they wanted to and GKC decided to stop with the threats. Far as I know they are running 2nd run and classics. An Oklahoma based Film-Techer still takes care of the place as far as I know.

On another note you shoulda seen that Watseka guys drive inn.... [thumbsdown] I think it was called the Corn Husker D.I. or something like that.....located someplace in a corn field between Normal and Watseka.....I actually did a couple of service calls there years ago [Eek!] .

Mark @ CLACO
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-14-2003, 09:29 PM:
 
Well, I guess I have popped into this thread pretty late (seven pages in just a few days, jeez). In one respect, I suppose the theater owner is trying --but it makes the Cache 8 in my little city seem like a bona-fide palace.

I also don't buy the excuse of a theater justifying low standards of quality because of low population. Some of the better theaters in Oklahoma are found to be in small towns. Take for instance the Washita Theater in Cordele, OK (possibly the smallest town in the world with a THX certified theater).
http://www.washitatheatre.com/
Cordele, OK has only a couple thousand people. Yet their modest little theater is one of only three sites in Oklahoma carrying THX certfication. The place has Dolby Digital and Surround EX capability as well. One of these days I'm going to drive up there and get some photos of the place.

Granted, the Princess and Princess II theaters need to continue making improvements to the auditoriums, sound and projection setup. But their signage is pathetic. It looks like the Princess I marquee has portions of a changeable copy sign face --but with no sign cabinets. Of course, this is a common thing with signage done on the cheap. Just nail an existing formed plastic face that one sat in a lighted cabinet directly to a wall. [uhoh] Maybe they grabbed the copy board sections that blew out of the Cache 8 theater in Lawton years ago! Oh, and the little plywood sign for the Princess II (not even mounted to anything, just laid up against a railing) is "self-signage" at its best. Well, at least the hand printed lettering is readable and not made of electrical tape!
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 10-15-2003, 12:36 AM:
 
Actually, we started talking about the Princess II a year ago. I pulled a Charles Everett because Normal is so close to Watseka. [Smile]
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 10-15-2003, 01:03 AM:
 
Some people just fall into the job of manager through knowing or unknowing BS, & they are lucky enough to only encounter people with soft, mushy heads on their way. They merely say what they want to be true, & somehow, because of their egos, *immediately believe to be true the thing they just made up on the spot*.

You'll find lots of these people in management. They're extremely alien to tech folks, who have to be correct & cannot just make stuff up counter to the laws of physics.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-15-2003, 05:00 PM:
 
quote:
Actually, we started talking about the Princess II a year ago. I pulled a Charles Everett because Normal is so close to Watseka.
Oops! Only saw the October 6 part without noticing the "2002" after it. Well, with as fast as time is flying it only seems like a few days since this time last year!
 
Posted by Edward Jurich (Member # 1787) on 10-15-2003, 06:34 PM:
 
You know, the Princess II is something of a statement, people don't always expect the best presentation and anyone can open a theater. I'm going downstairs to clean off my 8mm projector [Big Grin]
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 10-16-2003, 02:28 AM:
 
Ed, you're just now realizing that?

While I was watching a digital projection of the 2nd Star Wars movie, I suddenly realized that what it reminded me of was running 8mm too large on a garage door.
 
Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 06-08-2007, 02:36 AM:
 

It has been 1331 days since the last post.


 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 06-08-2007, 02:36 AM:
 
Pardon my French, but ...

Holy Fucking Shit.

quote:
Watseka Theatre transformation begins

By ERIN DOSS\Reporter

A Watseka landmark is about to be transformed.

The Watseka Theatre was recently purchased by Charles Gomez and his business partner Debra Liddell, who have big plans for the building.

Gomez said the theatre will retain its name, but will additionally be named the Iroquois Center for the Performing Arts.

While movies may be played for special occasions, the theatre's new purpose will be to promote culture.

"I have always felt it is a shame the most expensive building ever constructed on main street in Watseka was allowed to deteriorate for the past 35 years," Gomez said. "My plans are to bring it back to its former glory."

Gomez said he is planning to have wine and cheese tastings, nights of champagne and jazz and cross-cultural events.

In long range plans, Gomez said, he would like to have dinner theatre events and is planning to have a restaurant in the theatre building, complete with chocolate and champagne fountains.

Space for a bed and breakfast is also available on the second floor of the theatre and is something Gomez wants to make a reality. The bed and breakfast would allow visitors from out of town to enjoy the theatre events, eat in the theatre's restaurant and visit local businesses.

While the theatre is located in Watseka, Gomez said he is expecting to draw patrons from as far away as Chicago, Indianapolis and down-state Illinois.

"This is truly Watseka's little gem," Gomez said of the theater. "It's a diamond in the rough."

A full version of this story appears in the June 1 edition of the Times-Republic.

Photo by Erin Doss -- Charles Gomez shows off the original ticket booth in the Watseka Theatre building.


 
Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 06-08-2007, 03:18 AM:
 
I can't believe they're going to ruin this theatre. At least it sounds like they're going to leave the Princess II untouched.
 
Posted by Jim Bedford (Member # 4) on 06-08-2007, 09:24 AM:
 
Ah yes, those wine and cheese tastings will be a great replacement for a grand downtown movie theatre.... [puke]
 
Posted by Bill Enos (Member # 440) on 06-09-2007, 07:04 PM:
 
If this is the best building Watseka can muster it must be a dumpy place
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 06-11-2007, 10:34 AM:
 
I guarantee you that 99% of the folks down there will be missing the Wine and Cheese nights and staying in the barn to clean out the injectors on the John Deere.

I bet they paint the interior all white too [puke] .

Mark
 
Posted by Justin West (Member # 920) on 06-12-2007, 11:12 PM:
 
Well, well...this is a different "theatre" from the Princesses 1 & 2...this article refers to the old Watseka Theater which has sat closed and boarded up for decades...roof is bad shape allowed rain to gush down the stairs...this will definitely have to be a LOT of work! Hope they can pull it off! [Eek!]
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 06-13-2007, 08:18 AM:
 
Hey Justin... why don't you expand into this area??? Its not that far from Peeeoria.... At least you could install a whisper quiet window unit in the Princess 2 [thumbsup] .
 
Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 12-31-2009, 09:29 PM:
 

It has been 932 days since the last post.


 
Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 12-31-2009, 09:29 PM:
 
Bumping this for all those who missed it and because it's just a really great read. [Razz]
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 12-31-2009, 09:32 PM:
 
Update: Both the Princess and Princess II closed a couple of years ago. But there are updated pictures of the Watseka on Cinematour.
 
Posted by Bill Enos (Member # 440) on 01-08-2010, 02:25 PM:
 
Looks like they've at least done a reasonably good job of refurbishing even if it's not a restoration. Better than closed and abandoned.
 




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