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Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 10-28-2002, 05:08 PM:

This is from a hotel in Western Australia...this guy ordered a Bacardi Breezer.

Posted by Sean McKinnon (Member # 612) on 10-28-2002, 05:48 PM:

LOL, Thats Funny...

But shouldnt this be in the joke forum?

Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 10-28-2002, 06:59 PM:

Absolutely not unless it comes in a "Martini Glass" and I have tasted it.

Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 10-28-2002, 10:01 PM:

Sadly, it's not a joke.

Posted by Sean McKinnon (Member # 612) on 10-28-2002, 10:03 PM:

You know John youre right, I apologize and I will keep my big mouth shut from now on.

Posted by Wes Hughes (Member # 981) on 10-28-2002, 10:20 PM:

A bar in my town prints "Sissy Beer" on the bills of sale for anyone who orders any of those new malt drinks and shandys (tequiza, smirnoff ice, etc). Everyone thinks it's pretty funny

Posted by Gerard S. Cohen (Member # 994) on 10-29-2002, 10:42 AM:

Not to excuse the bartender's insult, but it may be possible his register doesn't have a key for the drink ordered. If the setup is computerized, he should create such a keystroke shortcut, or a default one for that type of alcoholic mixture that does not give
pointed offence to the patron.

Posted by Brad Haven (Member # 954) on 10-29-2002, 11:06 AM:

I would like to add that Meekatharra is way up north (not metro), where time stands still and real men drink BEER or HARD SPIRITS

I dont think that they would get away with that in Perth, it's bloody cheap though, a bacardi breezer in Perth pubs or hotels costs about $5-6!

Posted by Joe Beres (Member # 678) on 10-29-2002, 11:24 AM:

I hadn't ever encountered the word poofter before, but if I understand correctly, it's a homosexual epithet. Am I correct? If so, am I the only one who thinks that's a pretty terrible thing to put on a receipt, or write, or say? Sissy beer could be funny, but I'm not laughing at the poofter drink thing. Please correct me if I am misunderstanding this.

Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 10-29-2002, 11:37 AM:

Shall we just say it is not "Politically Correct"?

IMHO, it is also very rude and insensitive.

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Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 10-29-2002, 01:37 PM:

U second that John!

I have always taken offence to anyone who refers to someone who prefers a beer alternative as some sort of sissy, or drinking sissy beer.

It is contrary to the facts. It really isn't funny either. It is pretty assuming to think that it should be funny.

I myself cannot stand the taste of beer. It is one of the most vial things around. How anyone can stomache that I do not know.

I prefer Mikes Hard Lemonade. If that isn't available, then a Bacardi Key Lime Breezer.

I am far from sissy!

I am in fact quite evil!

Dave

Posted by David Favel (Member # 1125) on 10-29-2002, 05:03 PM:

According to the till tape rules of Monty Python

Rule number 1, No Poofters

Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 10-30-2002, 02:22 AM:

Joe: Chambers' Dictionary has the following definitions for 'poof' and 'poofter': (i) a male homosexual; (ii) a transvestite, or a man who behaves in an effiminate manner. It just gives the category as 'vulgar colloquial' and does not cite any etymology.

Avoiding genuine insult is one thing, taking political correctness too far is another. If any of the regulars in this pub really was offended by those receipts, then I'd hope that the landlord would apologise, give him a drink on the house and quietly reprogramme his till.

Otherwise I have to admit that this did put a smile on my face, though IMHO the stereotype isn't an accurate one. The common image of 'alcopops' here is that they tend to be consumed by teenage girls (i.e. rebellious underage drinking) rather than gay men. And even from several paces along a bar, they smell so vile that anyone who drinks them voluntarily deserves all the ridicule (s)he gets!

Seriously, though, people make jokes at the expense of other groups (and their own) in society all the time. If they didn't, then most of the entries in 'Joke Yak' wouldn't be there. As long as these jokes aren't causing offence to a significant number of people or are likely to incite antisocial behaviour, I don't have a problem with them. One of the best examples I can remember was a gay couple who both worked at the same cinema (one in projection, the other front-of-house). When I expressed irritation at a very trivial issue with the projectionist, his partner suggested that I tell him to 'stop being such a fussy old poof' should there be any repeat performance.

Posted by Christopher Duvall (Member # 284) on 10-30-2002, 02:54 AM:

Rule Number 6 is that there is.....

....no rule 6.

Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 10-30-2002, 12:53 PM:

Good point. Though think about what if the reciept till read something else if you ordered a colt45 malt liqour... some other word starts with an "N".

We have spent dozens of years trying to get rid of certain unpleasant words. Sometimes its in the effort of PC, sometimes its in the effort to just eliminate a word that is primarily used to insult one group by another group.

One way to win the word battle is for a group to co-opt a word for themselves, taking away its power, at least in theory.

Even with that, there is always some way to offend someone. Best bet, if someone gets offended by something, they should just walk away, and not patron the offending party.

Problem with that is, if the offence comes from all angles, making it hard to just walk away from it.

So really, best bet, is to.... well hell I don't know. It's a quagmire .

Dave

Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 10-30-2002, 02:12 PM:

It's okay to laugh at ourselves.

But a unkind joke at the expense of others is mean and cruel.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

"Love your neighbor as yourself".

Posted by Gracia L. Babbidge (Member # 582) on 10-30-2002, 02:31 PM:

It was my impression that the saying has been used incorrectly, and actually should be:

"Do not do unto other as you would not have done unto yourself."

...someone informed me that the reason for the comfusion is due to a botched translation from ancient Hebrew...

Then again, I could just be crazy...

Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 10-30-2002, 02:47 PM:

Either way, it means we should respect each other.

Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 10-31-2002, 05:28 AM:

Well, a double negative equals a positive. Reminds me of the (true) story about the slightly dyslexic London traffic warden who put up a sign which said 'Do not do no parking here.' A driver correctly, but pedantically, interpreted this as meaning that parking was allowed. When he returned, he found that his car had been clamped.

John: Agreed, but the problem comes in defining 'unkind'. People can and do take offence at things which weren't intended to cause it. I think common sense is needed both in making jokes and in responding to them. In the case of that Australian pub, I'd guess that none of the regulars had a problem with those receipts, and the only issue happened when a visitor came along. The fact that he stocked Bacardi Breezers at all suggests that some regulars did actually buy them and therefore received the 'poofter drink' receipts without taking offence. In my local, the landlord's favourite drink is what he calls 'Nigerian lager' (i.e. Guinness), but he would never call it that to tourists. As a general rule humour does more good than harm and banning it simply on account of a slight misjudgement seems to me a case of overkill.

Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 10-31-2002, 06:18 AM:

That is so very much yes true positive about us we dyslexic type persons.

Dave