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Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 11-09-2002, 11:50 PM:
 
It appears that Los Angeles city councilwoman has blocked a Pearl Harbor Day screening of Tora! Tora! Tora! at the city-owned Warner Grand Theatre in San Pedro because it might offend Japanese Americans.

Catch up with the ongoing story here.

 


Posted by Christopher Duvall (Member # 284) on 11-10-2002, 03:37 AM:
 
I just don't get it. It is a part of our history that cannot be changed. I am not too far from LA LA land here in Vegas. I can drive over and pull that stick out of her ass if somebody wants me to.

That is like an Isreali politician asking not to play Shindler's List because it may offend German people. Politcal correctness just plain sucks.

I feel like I am surrounded by morons.
 


Posted by Lionel Fouillen (Member # 1475) on 11-10-2002, 05:44 AM:
 
Forbid the release of a film? What kind of cultural dictatorship is that? No-one is forced to go and see the film if they don't like it!

This reminds me of religious extremists who set the fire at a Paris cinema playing The Last Temptation of Christ. Different method, same goal...


 


Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 11-10-2002, 09:21 AM:
 
"Tora! Tora! Tora!" is one of the GOOD ones, too!

Some movies took a lot of liberties with the facts in order to make better wartime propoganda for the troops. Tora... is one of the films that told their stories in the most historically correct context.
(Well, as historically correct as a Hollywood action movie can be...)

Melanie, my Fiancé, who is in charge of the local historacal museum says, that when they have exhibits that contain material that some might see as offensive they just use the standard disclaimer to the effect of, "This is how people WERE back then."
The museum did a WWII exhibit a short while ago. It contained some pretty strong anti-German and anti-Japanese propoganda posters. They simply explained that this was the "sign of the times". Many people hated Germans and Japanese simply because they were "The Enemy" even though they had never before met one.

As far as "Last Temptation", that was a total let-down.
When that came out there was a lot of furor over the movie. Every time I walked by the theatre (The Cheri in Boston) there would be somebody outside protesting the film. One time, there was even a group of Nuns kneeling on the sidewalk and "praying"!
I went to watch it based solely on that and neither did I think it was as blasphemous as they made it out to be nor did I think it was a very good movie, otherwise.

(To be honest, I think it even makes Christ look MORE holy!)

I think one of two (or both) things was going on:

1) These people had never actually watched the movie and were just protesting on the say-so of others.

2) These protests were staged by somebody in order to drum up publicity for an otherwise Hum-Drum flick. (The old "Banned in Boston" thing! )
 


Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 11-10-2002, 10:30 AM:
 
I'm a bit confused. Is San Pedro a separate city or not?


 


Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 11-10-2002, 01:18 PM:
 
San Pedro used to be a separate city, but was annexed into the city of LA at some point.
 
Posted by Daniel Boisson (Member # 1027) on 11-10-2002, 01:54 PM:
 
Thats one of the few movies that actually played the japanese in a positive light...granted they were attacking, but the movie made them actually seem human, not facless, emotionless soldiers like many other movies. This councilwoman probably has her own adgenda she's working to.....
 
Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 11-10-2002, 03:03 PM:
 
As a Japanese-American, I agree 100% with Daniel. What a lot of people fail to remember or do not know is the Japanese segment of "TORA!TORA!TORA!" was filmed with top ranking Japanese actors by a Japanese film studio (Toho) in Japan from a script approved by both the US and Japanese filmmakers.

My late father refused to see the movie when it first played in a theatre because he was concerned that the movie will be very anti Japanese. He did see it many years later when we watched the movie together on a laserdisc at home and he was very pleased with the way the Japanese was portrayed.

-Claude
 


Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 11-10-2002, 03:31 PM:
 
I wonder what her problem is.....

Christopher said:

quote:
"I feel like I am surrounded by morons."

How true...As days go on, I feel the same.


 


Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 11-10-2002, 03:41 PM:
 
I had a good laugh when this picture of Paul came up on this thread.


 


Posted by Thomas Procyk (Member # 1170) on 11-10-2002, 04:08 PM:
 
Someone should Photoshop a weenie over that microphone!

=TMP=
 


Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 11-10-2002, 05:10 PM:
 
Adam and Thomas, I was wondering how long it would take before someone noticed my new picture. That picture was taken while I was preparing for a political gig over the radio.

Neat, huh? Even the politicans liked it.


 


Posted by Dennis Atkinson (Member # 345) on 11-10-2002, 06:50 PM:
 
Where did they find a print with color?
Were they all "Color by DeLuxe or am I thinking of Midway?

Dennis
 


Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 11-10-2002, 07:21 PM:
 
Yes, the original release was Color by Deluxe. Doesn't mean there was never a newer print struck, though (doesn't mean there was one struck, either).
 
Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 11-10-2002, 08:06 PM:
 
Adam, If this is the way they think in the West Coast I would start heading back East as soon as possible. The next civil war will be the East against the West and we all know that the new West coast will be the Mississippi River and we will make sure all Western Politicians wear leaking life preservers.

Adam, Hurry Back...

P.S. I would love to wipe that smile off her face.


 


Posted by Will Morrow (Member # 792) on 11-10-2002, 09:11 PM:
 
ADAM??? CA??? What happened to IMAX in GR, MI???

I am confused.
 


Posted by Jack Ondracek (Member # 1466) on 11-10-2002, 10:06 PM:
 
quote:
from Bob Marr:
... If this is the way they think in the West Coast I would start heading back East as soon as possible. The next civil war will be the East against the West and we all know that the new West coast will be the Mississippi River and we will make sure all Western Politicians wear leaking life preservers

Uhhhh.... I don't know about that, Bob. We've got a whole bunch of subs & carriers around here, & the shipyards to keep 'em running. It's far more likely that when your hypothetical war's over, all broadcast stations in the US will start with "K"!

Seriously though... I've seen the movie several times over the years. I didn't know about the collaboration that Claude speaks of... but now that makes sense.... since I recall being intrigued that either side would make a film with the amount of balance this one seemed to have.

It's unfortunate how rampant (rabid) political correctness seems to thrive... frequently in parts of California.

Forget about San Pedro... you can run that show in my theatre.


 


Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 11-10-2002, 11:22 PM:
 
For what it's worth, I sent an email suggesting that, since the museum that wants the show is in a park, just run it outdoors at the museum.

At this point, they'd probably never get a permit for such a thing, but wouldn't that just be the ultimate


 


Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 11-11-2002, 12:13 AM:
 
All of the information about the American/Japanese co-production is discussed at great length on the production commentary on the DVD of "TORA!TORA!TORA!". Did you know at one time before the start of the production, the great Akira Kurosawa was signed on to direct the Japanese segment? I do not know what happed but Mr, Kurusawa had to drop out and another well known director was signed to replace him.

-Claude
 


Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 11-11-2002, 12:39 AM:
 
Stephen Bach quoting producer David Brown in the book Final Cut:

quote:
I recall when my partner was faced with the unpleasant executive task of firing Akira Kurosawa from Tora! Tora! Tora! and trying to replace him with another Japanese director. No one would accept the assignment. No one at all. Crass Hollywood-a Zanuck, at that-had defiled a national shrine, a living monument, and all Japan turned its back in silence.

From the book The Films of Akira Kurosawa, by Donald Richie:

quote:
[He] signed a contract with Twentieth Century Fox to film the Japanese sequences of a flabby epic, Tora! Tora! Tora! The struggle to work on that film, complicated by the tampering of the American studio then headed by Darryl F. Zanuck, so utterly demoralized and exhausted Kurosawa that he was finally driven to sabotage his own work. News leaked that Kurosawa was shooting scenes only to decide that the sets had to be another color and all the footage re-shot. His motive was clearly to provoke Fox into openly firing him and thus to avoid responsibility for contractual liability, though which he could otherwise be blamed for failure to live up to their agreement.

Toshio Masuda and Kinji Fukasuku took over the reigns.


 


Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 11-11-2002, 12:41 AM:
 
The great Kinji Fukasaku, director of Message from Space and in 2000, the controversial Battle Royale. The link to his Midnight Eye bio and filmography is here .

Ja ne,

Paul

 


Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 11-11-2002, 10:19 AM:
 
Paul asks: >I wonder what her problem is.....<

Paul, she's a POLITICIAN.....ANYTHING to get her face on the evening news. That's what they LIVE for.
 


Posted by Robert E. Allen (Member # 1351) on 11-11-2002, 05:08 PM:
 
Hey! Give me a break Bob.

I'm about as far west as you can get in the continental U.S., about 500 yards from the ocean, and I don't think that way. Ya gotta remember that's California (where I was raised but am hesitant to mention) where weird laws and decisions are made by weird politicians and judges.

------------------
Bob
The Old Showman
 


Posted by Martin Brooks (Member # 1269) on 11-11-2002, 06:10 PM:
 
This is so outrageous that I simply can't believe it. I bet neither of the idiots who cancelled the showing have ever seen the film, but that's aside from the fact that they have no idea what our wars were fought for. I stongly suggest that everyone go to the website and flood the clowns with emails.
 




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